Urban Meyer or bust

[Surly Bevo 24,692]

Got this text from a buddy of mine who graduated from Tech tonight.


Alright. Don’t kill me for this comment. Colorado is hammered dog shit. But how, with this talent, has Texas not competed for a Big 12 title? Ranger could coach this kind of talent and at least play at Jerry World in December


Ranger is his dog.....

I told him welcome to being an honorary Texas Longhorn Fan.

[Longhornlove 4,779]

Dam, Herman looks like a crackhead, WTH happened to him in the last 3 weeks, holy crap.

[Pato del Muerto 52,322]

7 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

CDC has no BDE

I’ve done a preliminary search for his replacement, and I’ve come up with the following finalists:

 

pete Davidson 

liam neeson 

The corpse of Milton Berle

tony delk 

 

[RGBIII 22,798]

Bijan Robinson is very good

[Hank_Hill 18,458]

5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

It might be.

Fuck me/oh no god help us.

Edited December 30, 2020 by Hank_Hill

[Ashley Schaeffer 193]

1 minute ago, Longhornlove said:

Dam, Herman looks like a crackhead, WTH happened to him in the last 3 weeks, holy crap.

3 weeks of crack?

[cdain3 3,454]

Go all out for Urban and if he says no keep Herman.

[Surly Bevo 24,692]

AIDS, COVID-19 or Cocaine Bender?

[wood 11,105]

3 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

Dam, Herman looks like a crackhead, WTH happened to him in the last 3 weeks, holy crap.

Seriously. He looked like shit. Wow.

[Longhornlove 4,779]

Doesn't talk like a dead man walking, but looks like one.

[millhouse 2,587]

5 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

....Ranger is his dog.....

Ranger is my dog (yellow lab) am I sharing a dog with your buddy????

[TheFlyingBoat 906]

I've said this before and I'll say it again, firing the dude just to fire him would be a terrible decision, which is why we will do it. If we can't get Urban, or pull Kelly from ND, or Campbell from ISU then we should hop off the carousel and wait a year.

Edited December 30, 2020 by TheFlyingBoat

[Surly Bevo 24,692]

Ranger is my dog (yellow lab) am I sharing a dog with your buddy????

This Ranger is a hyperactive Boxer so looks like you are in the clear.

[RollLeft 5,039]

5 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

Dam, Herman looks like a crackhead, WTH happened to him in the last 3 weeks, holy crap.

[Hank_Hill 18,458]

2 minutes ago, TheFlyingBoat said:

I've said this before and I'll say it again, firing the dude just to fire him will be a terrible decision. If we can't get Urban, or pull Kelly from ND, or Campbell from ISU then we should hop off the carousel and wait a year. 

Explain. He sucks ass and is proven at it. I'd take Gus and be happy about it at this point, fuck that guy.

Edited December 30, 2020 by Hank_Hill

[Guadaloopy 10,903]

7 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

Dam, Herman looks like a crackhead, WTH happened to him in the last 3 weeks, holy crap.

Buried the hatchet with Zach Smith and they are getting the band back together.  

[Guadaloopy 10,903]

2 minutes ago, TheFlyingBoat said:

I've said this before and I'll say it again, firing the dude just to fire him would be a terrible decision, which is why we will do it. If we can't get Urban, or pull Kelly from ND, or Campbell from ISU then we should hop off the carousel and wait a year.

[Grade of D as in David 13,253]

Just received this email. Replied asking why we're celebrating Alamo bowl victories and told them it was embarrassing.

[Longhornlove 4,779]

8 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

AIDS, COVID-19 or Cocaine Bender?

Looks like someone coked up for weeks monitoring the message boards waiting to find out who his replacements is

[wood 11,105]

1 minute ago, Grade of D as in David said:

Just received this email. Replied asking why we're celebrating Alamo bowl victories and told them it was embarrassing.

Ha! You beat me to it. That's the perfect shirt for the Tom Herman era at Texas.

[wood 11,105]

2 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

Looks like someone coked up for weeks monitoring the message boards waiting to find out who his replacements is

So Tom is fisterman?

[Hank_Hill 18,458]

3 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

Looks like someone coked up for weeks monitoring the message boards waiting to find out who his replacements is

Ummmm, I'm much better looking than that thing thank you very much.

[Nicole44 22,023]

33 minutes ago, Txslnghrns said:

Where is the bird? Have to ask

[TheFlyingBoat 906]

13 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

Explain. He sucks ass and is proven at it.

Standing up from a neutral table and randomly selecting from a pool of likely low true count tables is idiocy. Herman has severe issues but seems to be an elite game planner given his success in bowls including about Georgia (and don't give me the aggy talking points of them not wanting to be there. You don't try to score that hard down three possessions in the 4th if you don't want to be there), capable offensive mind, but poor at personnel decisions (which seems to reverberate into discord across the program) and prone to going overly conservative late in games.

To me the biggest issues I see is Herb Hand, which Auburn and Penn State fans warned us about and possibly the WR room. Sam was clearly injured most of the season and that showed in play which was unfortunate but that is no excuse for some of the poor WR play we saw. Herb Hand's OL play is just atrocious. For whatever reason we can't seem to hit there and it is beyond me.

If we can find an elite coach, I am happy to kick Herman to the curb and move on since I think the cupboard is very well stacked for an elite coach to come in and win a conference championship and go from there. I am not a loyalist to Herman by any means. But this over reactionary position causes us to miss the forest for the trees. We finally have good defensive line play, not just from stars, but on the whole. We look like we potentially have a great LB in Overshown. DB play has improved. The staff is finally balanced in terms of coaches one each side of the ball. We finally have a good defensive staff for the first time under Herman meaning the staff issue there is at least temporarily solved mitigating one of the worst issues of Herman imo. On the offensive side of the ball I wouldn't miss a single coach if they left, but with that being said, with the exception of Hand I am not sure any are terrible either and it is entirely possible that most issues are largely due to the OL sucking donkey balls. I think if we fire Hand and get someone reasonably decent there is no reason we can't win a conference title next year. Casey Thompson seems more than capable and Bijan is the truth. The defense is stout and should improve with another year under Ash. I would still be carefully watching for a replacement for Herman, with that all being said, but I am not sure right now there is a name that we can get (assuming we can't get Urban, Kelly, or Campbell) that gives me any reason to believe would be better.

 

Tl;dr Herman sucks, but you overestimate how much he sucks, everyone beyond the three listed suck more, and with our current staff should still be able to win despite all deficiencies discussed provided we fire Hand.

Edited December 30, 2020 by TheFlyingBoat

[Hank_Hill 18,458]

2 minutes ago, TheFlyingBoat said:

Standing up from a neutral table and randomly selecting from a pool of likely low true count tables is idiocy. Herman has severe issues but seems to be an elite game planner given his success in bowls including about Georgia (and don't give me the aggy talking points of them not wanting to be there. You don't try to score that hard down three possessions in the 4th if you don't want to be there), capable offensive mind, but poor at personnel decisions (which seems to reverberate into discord across the program) and prone to going overly conservative late in games.

To me the biggest issues I see is Herb Hand, which Auburn and Penn State fans warned us about and possibly the WR room. Sam was clearly injured most of the season and that showed in play which was unfortunate but that is no excuse for some of the poor WR play we saw. Herb Hand's OL play is just atrocious. For whatever reason we can't seem to hit there and it is beyond me.

If we can find an elite coach, I am happy to kick Herman to the curb and move on since I think the cupboard is very well stacked for an elite coach to come in and win a conference championship and go from there. I am not a loyalist to Herman by any means. But this over reactionary position causes us to miss the forest for the trees. We finally have good defensive line play, not just from stars, but on the whole. We look like we potentially have a great LB in Overshown. DB play has improved. The staff is finally balanced in terms of coaches one each side of the ball. We finally have a good defensive staff for the first time under Herman meaning the staff issue there is at least temporarily solved mitigating one of the worst issues of Herman imo. On the offensive side of the ball I wouldn't miss a single coach if they left, but with that being said, with the exception of Hand I am not sure any are terrible either and it is entirely possible that most issues are largely due to the OL sucking donkey balls.

You’ve literally just explained many of the reasons he needs to go regardless.

[Wulaw Horn 18,963]

1 minute ago, TheFlyingBoat said:

Standing up from a neutral table and randomly selecting from a pool of likely low true count tables is idiocy. Herman has severe issues but seems to be an elite game planner given his success in bowls including about Georgia (and don't give me the aggy talking points of them not wanting to be there. You don't try to score that hard down three possessions in the 4th if you don't want to be there), capable offensive mind, but poor at personnel decisions (which seems to reverberate into discord across the program) and prone to going overly conservative late in games.

To me the biggest issues I see is Herb Hand, which Auburn and Penn State fans warned us about and possibly the WR room. Sam was clearly injured most of the season and that showed in play which was unfortunate but that is no excuse for some of the poor WR play we saw. Herb Hand's OL play is just atrocious. For whatever reason we can't seem to hit there and it is beyond me.

If we can find an elite coach, I am happy to kick Herman to the curb and move on since I think the cupboard is very well stacked for an elite coach to come in and win a conference championship and go from there. I am not a loyalist to Herman by any means. But this over reactionary position causes us to miss the forest for the trees. We finally have good defensive line play, not just from stars, but on the whole. We look like we potentially have a great LB in Overshown. DB play has improved. The staff is finally balanced in terms of coaches one each side of the ball. We finally have a good defensive staff for the first time under Herman meaning the staff issue there is at least temporarily solved mitigating one of the worst issues of Herman imo. On the offensive side of the ball I wouldn't miss a single coach if they left, but with that being said, with the exception of Hand I am not sure any are terrible either and it is entirely possible that most issues are largely due to the OL sucking donkey balls.

He sorta had some ok seasons with good talent. His talent acquisition to on has fallen off a cliff. Results will suffer. He needs to be gone. It’s not going to happen for him. 

[deech 2,251]

It's hard not to realize that tonight was quite possibly the best night possible in terms of Urban coming to Texas:

1.  Methhead Herman

2.  Bijan

3.  Thompson

4.  Bijan

5.  More athletic than JJ Watt and the Bosa brothers.

6.  News coming out a few days ago about NFL teams interested in Meyer - all a negotiating ploy by Meyer's agent.

 

It's happening.

[wood 11,105]

1 minute ago, TheFlyingBoat said:

Standing up from a neutral table and randomly selecting from a pool of likely low true count tables is idiocy. Herman has severe issues but seems to be an elite game planner ...

Stopped reading right there. Where was his elite game planning in the several games we lost or should have lost this year and in other years?

I'll take "Very good game planner every week" over "elite game planner once or twice a season" any fucking time.

[Huckleberry 32,685]

4 minutes ago, TheFlyingBoat said:

Standing up from a neutral table and randomly selecting from a pool of likely low true count tables is idiocy. Herman has severe issues but seems to be an elite game planner given his success in bowls including about Georgia (and don't give me the aggy talking points of them not wanting to be there. You don't try to score that hard down three possessions in the 4th if you don't want to be there), capable offensive mind, but poor at personnel decisions (which seems to reverberate into discord across the program) and prone to going overly conservative late in games.

To me the biggest issues I see is Herb Hand, which Auburn and Penn State fans warned us about and possibly the WR room. Sam was clearly injured most of the season and that showed in play which was unfortunate but that is no excuse for some of the poor WR play we saw. Herb Hand's OL play is just atrocious. For whatever reason we can't seem to hit there and it is beyond me.

If we can find an elite coach, I am happy to kick Herman to the curb and move on since I think the cupboard is very well stacked for an elite coach to come in and win a conference championship and go from there. I am not a loyalist to Herman by any means. But this over reactionary position causes us to miss the forest for the trees. We finally have good defensive line play, not just from stars, but on the whole. We look like we potentially have a great LB in Overshown. DB play has improved. The staff is finally balanced in terms of coaches one each side of the ball. We finally have a good defensive staff for the first time under Herman meaning the staff issue there is at least temporarily solved mitigating one of the worst issues of Herman imo. On the offensive side of the ball I wouldn't miss a single coach if they left, but with that being said, with the exception of Hand I am not sure any are terrible either and it is entirely possible that most issues are largely due to the OL sucking donkey balls. I think if we fire Hand and get someone reasonably decent there is no reason we can't win a conference title next year. Casey Thompson seems more than capable and Bijan is the truth. The defense is stout and should improve with another year under Ash. I would still be carefully watching for a replacement for Herman, with that all being said, but I am not sure right now there is a name that we can get (assuming we can't get Urban, Kelly, or Campbell) that gives me any reason to believe would be better.

 

Tl;dr Herman sucks, but you overestimate how much he sucks, everyone beyond the three listed suck more, and with our current staff should still be able to win despite all deficiencies discussed provided we fire Hand.

If only we could pinpoint the coach responsible for the offense who meddles in it at all times and is the single overriding factor regarding offensive performance. But I guess we'll never know.

[TheFlyingBoat 906]

1 minute ago, wood said:

Stopped reading right there. Where was his elite game planning in the several games we lost or should have lost this year and in other years?

I'll take "Very good game planner every week" over "elite game planner once or twice a season" any fucking time.

So would I. Like I said, if we can get Campbell, I would happily write up Herman's pink slip myself. But I am not going lower than Campbell to replace Herman this year.

[TexMexBuddha 987]

Bijan now owns the school season record for YPR at 8.2.

[Txslnghrns 1,350]

Where is the bird? Have to ask

He was there. Just slightly out of frame on that pic. Good catch!!!!

[Hank_Hill 18,458]

4 minutes ago, TheFlyingBoat said:

So would I. Like I said, if we can get Campbell, I would happily write up Herman's pink slip myself. But I am not going lower than Campbell to replace Herman this year.

As we shouldn’t, but to say Herman is only worse than the top 4 “available” coaches in CFB is fucking dumb. The guy sucks. Experiment failed. 

[TheFlyingBoat 906]

Just now, Huckleberry said:

If only we could pinpoint the coach responsible for the offense who meddles in it at all times and is the single overriding factor regarding offensive performance. But I guess we'll never know.

Sure, but the issue isn't the entire offense, it's particular. The offensive line blows chunks. If we fix the offensive line and are still seeing the offense randomly sputter out when it shouldn't then I would agree with you. Like I said a billion times I don't love Herman. His meddling does introduce issues. With that all being said, most of the solutions are cutting off our nose to spite our face. Like seriously some of the Plan 3.5 names or whatever the fuck these dumbass shit for brains 9.95ers are calling their idiotic suggestions are just terrible. I don't want shitty retreads that would be our version of Charlie Weiss. I don't want G5 coaches with less success than Herman when he came here. If we can get a coach that either had recent success in the NFL or P5 or had a better resume at the G5 level than Herman or Strong did when they got here, sign me the fuck up. If we can't, let's not shoot ourselves in the dick to prove that we know Herman has a big ego.

[Pato del Muerto 52,322]

5 minutes ago, TheFlyingBoat said:

So would I. Like I said, if we can get Campbell, I would happily write up Herman's pink slip myself. But I am not going lower than Campbell to replace Herman this year.

How do you see the pool of candidates changing in 11 months, other than maybe urban not being in it?

[TheFlyingBoat 906]

Just now, Hank_Hill said:

As we shouldn’t, but to say Herman is only worse than the top 4 “available” coaches in CFB is fucking dumb. The guy sucks. Experiment failed. 

Who else is available that's worth hiring? I remember looking at the list of Plan 3.5ers from IT or whoever it was and just rolling my eyes repeatedly. They're either not coming or terrible choices

[HornyPony69 212]

I’m sure this has already been discussed and isn’t new,

But has Tom Herman’s twitter avi and header always just been blacked out? Figured it was for BLM, but don’t remember noticing it.


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[Hank_Hill 18,458]

The point of Herb Hand being hired and currently still on staff as a supporting point for keeping Herman is a new and absolutely idiotic one. Consider me intrigued.

[Huckleberry 32,685]

1 minute ago, TheFlyingBoat said:

Sure, but the issue isn't the entire offense, it's particular. The offensive line blows chunks. If we fix the offensive line and are still seeing the offense randomly sputter out when it shouldn't then I would agree with you. Like I said a billion times I don't love Herman. His meddling does introduce issues. With that all being said, most of the solutions are cutting off our nose to spite our face. Like seriously some of the Plan 3.5 names or whatever the fuck these dumbass shit for brains 9.95ers are calling their idiotic suggestions are just terrible. I don't want shitty retreads that would be our version of Charlie Weiss. I don't want G5 coaches with less success than Herman when he came here. If we can get a coach that either had recent success in the NFL or P5 or had a better resume at the G5 level than Herman or Strong did when they got here, sign me the fuck up. If we can't, let's not shoot ourselves in the dick to prove that we know Herman has a big ego.

If only we had evidence that Tom Herman doesn't know what a good offensive line looks like, perhaps if he'd said something really stupid like maybe after 2017 fall camp he'd said that OL was the best he's ever been around even compared to the national championship Ohio State OL he worked with.

Alas, we'll never know on that one either. I guess we'll just have to trust Tom Herman to rectify the OL with his keen eye on the matter.

[TheFlyingBoat 906]

Just now, Pato del Muerto said:

How do you see the pool of candidates changing in 11 months, other than maybe urban not being in it?

G5 candidates that I think have potential get a chance to prove themselves to be more than one hit wonders. P5 coaches that continue to over perform at middling institutions realize they've done the most they can at Pittsburgh or North Carolina or Arizona (purely examples of middling institutions not suggesting I like the coach at any of these schools to be the next Texas HC).

[TheFlyingBoat 906]

1 minute ago, Huckleberry said:

If only we had evidence that Tom Herman doesn't know what a good offensive line looks like, perhaps if he'd said something really stupid like maybe after 2017 fall camp he'd said that OL was the best he's ever been around even compared to the national championship Ohio State OL he worked with.

Alas, we'll never know on that one either. I guess we'll just have to trust Tom Herman to rectify the OL with his keen eye on the matter.

Oh fuck off Huck, you can't seriously be using coach speak as an indictment. You're better than that. Every single fucking unit in year X is the best unit every coach claims to have ever seen in their career until year X+1 when every unit that year, especially the weakest unit of the team that year, is the greatest unit since the 85 Bears D and the modern Kansas City O.

[Hank_Hill 18,458]

3 minutes ago, TheFlyingBoat said:

G5 candidates that I think have potential get a chance to prove themselves to be more than one hit wonders.

We have that already, and he sucks dick,  might as well send it.

[C-Man 26,992]

Oh fuck off Huck, you can't seriously be using coach speak as an indictment. You're better than that. Every single fucking unit in year X is the best unit every coach claims to have ever seen in their career until year X+1 when every unit that year, especially the weakest unit of the team that year, is the greatest unit since the 85 Bears D and the modern Kansas City O.

And yet three years later it’s still a severe liability

[TheFlyingBoat 906]

5 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

The point of Herb Hand being hired and currently still on staff as a supporting point for keeping Herman is a new and absolutely idiotic one. Consider me intrigued.

It's a sign that Herman is who I've said he is. Poor at personnel decisions, good at other things listed, while others here seem to claim he is the worst at everything and a half step above Charlie Weis in terms of coaching talent. Roll the dice on OL and try to find a better guy. Wait a year and try to find a better coach if we can, unless we can get Campbell or better in case we fire Herman regardless and hire Campbell or better.

[TheFlyingBoat 906]

4 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

We have that already, and he sucks dick,  might as well send it.

Who do you want then, assuming we can't the guys I mentioned being suitable replacements? Who would be worthy of rolling the dice on instead of Herman. Why should we believe odds are good they work out better? Everyone can tell me that Herman sucks at x, y, and z. Most of the time I agree since I've said similar things here and elsewhere. What no one can seem to answer is, why should we believe going below the bar I mentioned would yield better results than what we have?

Edited December 30, 2020 by TheFlyingBoat

[Huckleberry 32,685]

7 minutes ago, TheFlyingBoat said:

Oh fuck off Huck, you can't seriously be using coach speak as an indictment. You're better than that. Every single fucking unit in year X is the best unit every coach claims to have ever seen in their career until year X+1 when every unit that year, especially the weakest unit of the team that year, is the greatest unit since the 85 Bears D and the modern Kansas City O.

I'm not the one who actually believes stupid shit like every coach every year says every one of his units is the best he's ever seen.

Name another instance where Tom Herman said a unit on the Texas football team was the best he's ever been around. Anyone who said what he said about the 2017 Texas OL loses all credibility regarding offensive line play. It didn't take the season to start before everyone called him out for that absolutely stupid statement. You don't say a shitty group is the best you've ever seen to build them up. There are plenty of other things to say.

Your argument boils down to saying that Tom Herman deserves more time if we can't find Football Jesus (no offense VY) to coach next season because maybe Herman will have a good OL to work with. Who exactly do you think is ultimately responsible for the shitty OL play we've had for 4 years? Who is responsible for hiring the coach, recruiting the players, and ensuring that the players are coached up?

Recruiting is getting worse, not better.

Edited December 30, 2020 by Huckleberry

[wood 11,105]

Something else re: the 'elite game planning' angle:

Does anyone here really think what happened tonight was the result of the gameplan? What I saw was a very talented & much deeper team running over & pushing around a far less talented team minus a real QB --- and having trouble doing that until depth, Bijan, and CT took over.

[TheFlyingBoat 906]

Just now, wood said:

Something else re: the 'elite game planning' angle:

Does anyone here really think what happened tonight was the result of the gameplan? What I saw was a very talented & much deeper team running over & pushing around a far less talented team minus a real QB --- and having trouble doing that until depth, Bijan, and CT took over.

What do you call Georgia, Mizzou, Utah, and Florida St then if this game didn't meet your standard? 

[Hank_Hill 18,458]

 

5 minutes ago, wood said:

Something else re: the 'elite game planning' angle:

Does anyone here really think what happened tonight was the result of the gameplan? What I saw was a very talented & much deeper team running over & pushing around a far less talented team minus a real QB --- and having trouble doing that until depth, Bijan, and CT took over.

Yep, “elite game planning” boils down to 3 bowl games (+/- 1 Georgia outlier) where an underperforming Texas team with elite talent was matched up with someone shitty, because that elite talent underperformed all year due to “elite game planning”

Edited December 30, 2020 by Hank_Hill

[wood 11,105]

Just now, TheFlyingBoat said:

What do you call Georgia, Mizzou, Utah, and Florida St then if this game didn't meet your standard? 

I'm not saying the guy can't come up with some good shit every once in a while, but I didn't see anything tonight that suggested we won because of the gameplan. And he almost gave away Georgia with his bullshit, too.