Urban Meyer or bust

[HenryJames 67362]

49 minutes ago, South Austin said:

My fear is that CDC will take in last night's Alamo Bowl win from 30,000 feet and see a 7-3 team in a pandemic-shortened season, a dominating victory in our fourth consecutive bowl win, and a backup QB who showed the potential to play lights out for us in 2021, and think to himself, "Yeah, we're good with Herman."

I reserve the right to change my opinion when I start drinking.

My fear is getting an STD from your mom.

[BurntOrange&White 41861]

More like a package for Sam near the goal line or short yardage situations similar to Tebow his freshmen year at Florida. Although Sam isn't as strong as Tebow.

Edited December 30, 2020 by BurntOrange&White

[troph 25227]

7 minutes ago, Bigbend1812 said:

 

but she might know fuck about shit. 

[TexArcher 39072]

37 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

God I hope that Oatmeal Cream Pie Puta is right for once

Someone should hack his Twitter and change his handle to Oatmeal Cream Pie Puta.

[ztejas 44227]

8 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I don't think he means us specifically but rather last night made it easier for Herman himself to find a landing spot. Which as Hiphop pointed out it would decrease the value we owe Herman.

Just scanning twitter saw multiple Vols fans being open to taking a flyer on Herman. Seems like it would be a pretty good fit. Tennessee really can't get any worse at this point.

[TexArcher 39072]

Just now, ztejas said:

Just scanning twitter saw multiple Vols fans being open to taking a flyer on Herman. Seems like it would be a pretty good fit. Tennessee really can't get any worse at this point.

Go with our blessing.

[troph 25227]

4 minutes ago, TexasRenegade said:

What the hell is that?  There is nothing dynamic that Casey brings that he needs a package for him....  If he plays it's because he beats out Same or whomever else there is on the team.  He isn't some dynamic change of pace that you create a package around.....

be aggressive and throw deep and down the middle with some misdirection added in here and there like salt in a pot of chili could be a package. 

[Dewey 3330]

No one at Texas gives a shit about finding Herman a good landing spot. 

[TexasRenegade 2610]

1 minute ago, troph said:

be aggressive and throw deep and down the middle with some misdirection added in here and there like salt in a pot of chili could be a package. 

If he is the better QB than just let him play.  I am not saying he is, but you don't do the whole bring in the package QB with a guy who has been in the system for what 2 years? to replace the 5th year QB?  QB packages are what you do for the true freshman that hasn't figured it out yet but is an amazing talent.  Not the Redshirt sophmore who should know the full playbook.  I hate the QB package idea in general....I really hate it in this situation. 

Let the best QB play whichever it is. Don't be jerking them in and out of the game on some hackneed package substitutions.

[wood 11766]

27 minutes ago, Jack Wilson said:

Fat Ketch: (regardless of what happens) "See? I predicted this. I was right all along."

Exactly. He isn't saying or predicting shit there. He's hedging as always.

[Bigbend1812 13059]

54 minutes ago, troph said:

anyone who feels good about last night's game has forgotten we LOST THREE DUCKING GAMES IN THE WEAK ASS BIG !@!!!

And they finally put down Ducky. 

[BurntOrange&White 41861]

2 minutes ago, TexasRenegade said:

If he is the better QB than just let him play.  I am not saying he is, but you don't do the whole bring in the package QB with a guy who has been in the system for what 2 years? to replace the 5th year QB?  QB packages are what you do for the true freshman that hasn't figured it out yet but is an amazing talent.  Not the Redshirt sophmore who should know the full playbook.  I hate the QB package idea in general....I really hate it in this situation. 

Let the best QB play whichever it is. Don't be jerking them in and out of the game on some hackneed package substitutions.

What's the old saying? If you have two quarterbacks in the game then you don't have one? 

Edited December 30, 2020 by BurntOrange&White

[Hank_Hill 20048]

18 minutes ago, jdhorn92 said:

We’re a 9-4 team this year. W @kansas and the grimme game. L to LSU (given Herman’s penchant to get out coached). Is that enough to save him?  
 

Tcu ( the late fumble) and ISU (take the fg and later, don’t take the sack) were W’s that got away. We had a squad to make the playoffs. Urban has to see that. 

1. We aren’t losing to that LSU team, especially early in the season when they looked even shittier.
2. No that still wouldn’t have been enough.

Edited December 30, 2020 by Hank_Hill

[Burt Macklin 19230]

1 hour ago, South Austin said:

My fear is that CDC will take in last night's Alamo Bowl win from 30,000 feet and see a 7-3 team in a pandemic-shortened season, a dominating victory in our fourth consecutive bowl win, and a backup QB who showed the potential to play lights out for us in 2021, and think to himself, "Yeah, we're good with Herman."

I reserve the right to change my opinion when I start drinking.

If CDC didn’t have his mind made up before the bowl game, he should be fired. 
If CDC had his mind to keep Herman before the bowl game, he should be fired. 
 

Like others have said, this is out of CDC’s hands thankfully, so he couldn’t unilaterally decide to keep Herman even if he wanted to. 

 

[RGBIII 23014]

23 minutes ago, Newy25 said:

CDC is not making the decision anymore. It’s out of his hands and those in charge are all committed to the upgrade. If anything, last night made it easier to find Herman a landing spot. 

Wonder what jobs will be available for him

[jdhorn92 1598]

1 minute ago, Hank_Hill said:

1. We aren’t losing to that LSU team. 
2. No that still wouldn’t have been enough.

He wouldn’t get fired if we were 10-3 with W over LSU

[gmr548 16701]

Its not 'up to us' - but a good landing spot for Herman means a significantly reduced buyout. 
*and I expect Herman will have a pretty decent choices available to him.  It didn't work out here - but he did put up a 32-18 record including 4-0 in bowls.  Some school is going to be impressed enough to make him an offer that gets good in 2024.

FIFY.

[Blackcat00 769]

Casey looked like a fucking man on a mission in the pocket. His vision and check downs had the CO defense in circles. The guy looked ready to take over and gives the team some added momentum for 2021. 

[C-Man 27779]

10 hours ago, wood said:

Something else re: the 'elite game planning' angle:

Does anyone here really think what happened tonight was the result of the gameplan? What I saw was a very talented & much deeper team running over & pushing around a far less talented team minus a real QB --- and having trouble doing that until depth, Bijan, and CT took over.

[wood 11766]

4 hours ago, StruggleBus said:

630am is a weird time. The alcoholics that are truly committed are still awake and drinking, and the go getters are already awake and working. 

Lots of drunks out on the road early in the a.m., too. Sadly.

[gmr548 16701]

1. We aren’t losing to that LSU team, especially early in the season when they looked even shittier.
2. No that still wouldn’t have been enough.

Yeah, this. I don’t say this as a defense of Herman or anything. LSU was atrocious this year. Texas would’ve won by 10-14 and the hype machine would’ve been rolling.

[closetohumping 17817]

15 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Just scanning twitter saw multiple Vols fans being open to taking a flyer on Herman. Seems like it would be a pretty good fit. Tennessee really can't get any worse at this point.

Please yes.

[ztejas 44227]

1 minute ago, jdhorn92 said:

He wouldn’t get fired if we were 10-3 with W over LSU

Maybe maybe not. Mack got fired for seasons like that towards the end. Obviously expectations have shifted the past 7-8 years but I feel like our expectations are closer to what they were following 2009 than what they were even 2-3 years ago.

Herman has ironically done himself a disservice by winning at a better clip than Charlie and playing big time programs very tight or winning. He has reminded us where Texas should be and what Texas is capable of. Whereas under Charlie and even in year one of Herman I think the fanbase started to get the feeling "well, shit. Maybe we just suck"

[Bigbend1812 13059]

14 minutes ago, troph said:

BOOOM!!!  WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS!

 

 

 

[ztejas 44227]

Just now, Bigbend1812 said:

 

Brilliant use of this gif. Rep this man.

[closetohumping 17817]

[C-Man 27779]

27 minutes ago, jdhorn92 said:

We’re a 9-4 team this year. W @kansas and the grimme game. L to LSU (given Herman’s penchant to get out coached). Is that enough to save him?  
 

Tcu ( the late fumble) and ISU (take the fg and later, don’t take the sack) were W’s that got away. We had a squad to make the playoffs. Urban has to see that. 

If you want to play that game, we SHOULD have lost to Tech and probably even West Virginia if not for a total blown defensive PI right at the end of the game.

[ztejas 44227]

1 minute ago, closetohumping said:

Jesus fucking Christ. Someone take these fuckstick's internet connections away until we sort this thing out.

[Surly Bevo 25742]

Colorado was small and slow and horribly overmatched.  That was a fun game/win but that was a shitty fucking opponent who if they had played a full regular season would have likely not have rated even an Alamo Bowl appearance.

 

They had a 6 point when over a shitty UCLA team

A 3 point win over a Stanford team that I guarantee you was playing against the will of the entire leadership of the school and this was their most "impressive" win)

10 point win over SDSU 

11 point win over Rumlin

Got killed by Utah

[BurntOrange&White 41861]

Just now, C-Man said:

If you want to play that game, we SHOULD have lost to Tech and probably even West Virginia if not for a total blown defensive PI right at the end of the game.

Or a dropped touchdown pass by WVU.

 

We were a nipple hair away from being a 6 loss team on the schedule we played. 

[Reese Bennett 3663]

Preach it brother!

[HenryJames 67362]

6 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Mack got fired for seasons like that towards the end.

Mack got fired for 5-7, 8-5, 9-4, and 8-5.

[C-Man 27779]

3 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

Colorado was small and slow and horribly overmatched.  That was a fun game/win but that was a shitty fucking opponent who if they had played a full regular season would have likely not have rated even an Alamo Bowl appearance.

 

They had a 6 point when over a shitty UCLA team

A 3 point win over a Stanford team that I guarantee you was playing against the will of the entire leadership of the school and this was their most "impressive" win)

10 point win over SDSU 

11 point win over Rumlin

Got killed by Utah

Yeah, they would've struggled to get to 6 wins in a full season. They were completely outmatched last night. It's further evidence of Herman's shortcomings as a HC that it was a one-score game at the half.

[Hank_Hill 20048]

12 minutes ago, jdhorn92 said:

He wouldn’t get fired if we were 10-3 with W over LSU

Maybe not. But talks were before the season Big 12 championship or bust, and that 10-3 still wouldn’t have even warranted an appearance in the ccg. Seeing how reluctant CDC has been at 7–3 though you’re probably right, but he still wouldn’t deserve to come back and many here would be pissed.

[ztejas 44227]

Just now, HenryJames said:

8-5, 9-4, and 8-5.

If you give Herman 10-3 this season (which is obviously purely hypothetical and I'm sure the bowl matchup would have been different) he would have been 28-12 over the past 3 seasons. Which is marginally better than Mack's 25-14 - and Mack had much less talent on the field (obviously through no fault of his own - but still underlies why Herman needs to go).

With the shortened season this year Herman is 25-12 to Mack's 25-14. Both had one win against OU. If you thought Mack should go after 2013 then it's pretty fucking hypocritical to try and wishcast Herman back for 2021 (not accusing you of this - just putting it out there because there are A LOT of people it applies to).

[closetohumping 17817]

8 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Jesus fucking Christ. Someone take these fuckstick's internet connections away until we sort this thing out.

Two of my least favorite fucks in the Longhorn universe.

[ztejas 44227]

Just now, closetohumping said:

Two of my least favorite fucks in the Longhorn universe.

"I'm just saying if it were up to me - err um I mean just up to CDC - then obviously you have to bring Herman back. It's the right move and every Texas fan should be nothing but grateful and 100% supportive when Herman returns. If not you're a terrible person"

[wood 11766]

13 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

I mean ... does anyone really think the AD wins out over the big money, the Prez, and the BOR in a case like this?

Edited December 30, 2020 by wood

[RGBIII 23014]

4 minutes ago, ztejas said:

If you give Herman 10-3 this season (which is obviously purely hypothetical and I'm sure the bowl matchup would have been different) he would have been 28-12 over the past 3 seasons. Which is marginally better than Mack's 25-14 - and Mack had much less talent on the field (obviously through no fault of his own - but still underlies why Herman needs to go).

With the shortened season this year Herman is 25-12 to Mack's 25-14. Both had one win against OU. If you thought Mack should go after 2013 then it's pretty fucking hypocritical to try and wishcast Herman back for 2021 (not accusing you of this - just putting it out there because there are A LOT of people it applies to).

Biggest difference, people like Mack...Herman is unanimously hated by everyone

[Butch Had Not 3061]

11 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Maybe maybe not. Mack got fired for seasons like that towards the end. Obviously expectations have shifted the past 7-8 years but I feel like our expectations are closer to what they were following 2009 than what they were even 2-3 years ago.

Herman has ironically done himself a disservice by winning at a better clip than Charlie and playing big time programs very tight or winning. He has reminded us where Texas should be and what Texas is capable of. Whereas under Charlie and even in year one of Herman I think the fanbase started to get the feeling "well, shit. Maybe we just suck"

We get teased with glimpses of our potential and then completely kicked in the nuts with how poorly we can also play all within a single season,  game,  half, and drive.

Good coaches will minimize the 'oh fuck me' moments. Great coaches will almost completely eliminate that and the potential will almost aways be maximized. Urban is that guy. 

[Jive Turkey 13001]

12 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

Colorado was small and slow and horribly overmatched.  That was a fun game/win but that was a shitty fucking opponent who if they had played a full regular season would have likely not have rated even an Alamo Bowl appearance.

 

They had a 6 point when over a shitty UCLA team

A 3 point win over a Stanford team that I guarantee you was playing against the will of the entire leadership of the school and this was their most "impressive" win)

10 point win over SDSU 

11 point win over Rumlin

Got killed by Utah

be that as it may, we did what we were supposed to do then.  we beat a shit team by 30+ points behind two kids that Herman underused/didn't use all season.  if Sam hadn't gotten hurt, what's the final score?  do we win by 32?  i highly doubt it.  

as has been stated, last night was an indictment of Herman's ineptitude.  he "lucked" into a blowout bowl win because his starting QB got hurt, so he put the backup in, simplified things, and we lit Colorado up.  same fucking thing in last year's bowl game.  Orlando is no longer DC, so have to simplify the defense under interim DC Naivar.  and boom, we stuff the shit out of Utah.

Herman gets in his own way time after time after time trying to Mensa shit up.  it's time, buddy.

Edited December 30, 2020 by Jive Turkey

[closetohumping 17817]

2 minutes ago, Butch Had Not said:

We get teased with glimpses of our potential and then completely kicked in the nuts with how poorly we can also play all within a single season,  game,  half, and drive.

Good coaches will minimize the 'oh fuck me' moments. Great coaches will almost completely eliminate that and the potential will almost aways be maximized. Urban is that guy. 

Yep Urban would pound teams like Wva, ISU, and TCU. 

[ClubWhatever 12307]

Football is not hard.  Play your best players.  Do things they do well.  Profit. 

[Bigbend1812 13059]

1 minute ago, ztejas said:

"I'm just saying if it were up to me - err um I mean just up to CDC - then obviously you have to bring Herman back. It's the right move and every Texas fan should be nothing but grateful and 100% supportive when Herman returns. If not you're a terrible person"

 

 

I don’t know what this is but it looked like it belonged somewhere.  

 

 

 

 

[dcar00 14967]

5 minutes ago, ztejas said:

If you give Herman 10-3 this season (which is obviously purely hypothetical and I'm sure the bowl matchup would have been different) he would have been 28-12 over the past 3 seasons. Which is marginally better than Mack's 25-14 - and Mack had much less talent on the field (obviously through no fault of his own - but still underlies why Herman needs to go).

With the shortened season this year Herman is 25-12 to Mack's 25-14. Both had one win against OU. If you thought Mack should go after 2013 then it's pretty fucking hypocritical to try and wishcast Herman back for 2021 (not accusing you of this - just putting it out there because there are A LOT of people it applies to).

the guy had 4 years and not only could he not come in first(before the stupid champ game) in the Big 12 he only came in second once.

the guy isn't the guy.  Maryland 2 told us all we needed to know.  

He has one big win(Georgia) and his only other redeeming coaching quality is that he doesn't get blown out.  He is at best the 4th best coach(more likely 5th) coach in the conference.  If we want to continue to ride 3 to 4 loss seasons, with losses to OU, Herman is our guy.

[taybo20 3037]

3 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

Football is not hard.  Play your best players.  Do things they do well.  Profit. 

At least 2 of those things don’t translate to Mensa...possibly even 3. But he gets profit. 

[dcar00 14967]

7 minutes ago, ztejas said:

"I'm just saying if it were up to me - err um I mean just up to CDC - then obviously you have to bring Herman back. It's the right move and every Texas fan should be nothing but grateful and 100% supportive when Herman returns. If not you're a terrible person"

sure I will support the team(which means Herman) because it ain't his call.  My support for CDC will be gone.  He's only big time when it comes to the little sports apparently.

[Mikey4 2484]

The Colorado win means nothing. Herman has his strengths, and one of them is winning bowl games. We know that. But he also has severe weaknesses, such as

1) not being able to compete with OU,

2) not getting to the Big 12 championship game,

3) inexplicably losing routine conference games,

4) playing weaker teams waaaay too close,

5) letting out of state programs pillage our state in recruiting, and

6) not even being part of the national/playoff discussion.

Beating a 4-win Colorado team with a month to prepare does nothing to fix the problems facing this program.

[wood 11766]

6 minutes ago, Butch Had Not said:

We get teased with glimpses of our potential and then completely kicked in the nuts with how poorly we can also play all within a single season,  game,  half, and drive.

Good coaches will minimize the 'oh fuck me' moments. Great coaches will almost completely eliminate that and the potential will almost aways be maximized. Urban is that guy. 

Yeah this 6-3 team could/should have easily been 5-4 or 4-5. With THAT talent and a senior 'Heisman watch' qb (snicker), in a really bad year for the Big 12, with a terrible OU sucks. Anyone who thinks TH should be retained should have zero input.

[immamac 44347]

There's a bunch of other threads to talk about the tom herman suckage and era coming to an end. This thread is to talk about how excited Urban Meyer will be to coach Casey Thompson and Bijan Robinson next season.