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4 hours ago, Ted Lange said:

How many videos like this, vs TRUMP calling everyone who isn’t a 100000% behind hm, HUMAN SCUM, does it take for the Johnny sacks to admit they were wrong. 

Obama will never stop been black, and Trump will never stop white. It starts and ends there. There could be some more salient points to make but in actuality none of that matters.
 

The GOP and it’s cultists are a lost cause, with their defining character traits being cognitive dissonance and the willingness to watch the country burn to own the libs.  It’s why they don’t post in this forum in any kind of meaningful/thoughtful manner. They have no argument, just conspiracy theories and talking points from Fox News.

May they all live long enough to see a socialist, multiracial, transsexual President that takes their guns and money. 

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2 minutes ago, seven said:

Remember when racist imbeciles like Onboard used to constantly bitch about Obama's massive ego? 

Lol

Also calling him "the messiah," bitching about his use of a teleprompter, and "57 STATES!!!!!"

It's almost like they were transferring their cult like devotion to a politician and willingness to accept idiocy from the president onto everyone else.

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Obama does have a massive ego, but he wears it really well.  And I really like seeing him get a little more into the arena these days with President dipshit at the Helm

 

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5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Just like to point out this was a very Hillary Clinton thing to say but if Hillary said it, the reactions here would be much different.

The problem is/was Hillary, to some extent, was guilty. ie: basket of deplorables.

Sure, we can all think it and agree , but her saying it publicly was not helpful.

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1 minute ago, yoladu said:

could you please cite this quote?

It's from a right-leaning political content aggregator (Real Clear Politics).  The article of course admits Obama never said that in the second paragraph, but Onboard gets a stiffy when he sees the red meat.

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2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

He's looking out at the political landscape and the problem he sees is young people on college campuses.

A completely useless observation that helps no one and the only purpose of it is to try and stop people from criticizing his legacy.

He was always worried about his “legacy issues” and Joe Biden is not helping.  

Disregard incoherent uncle Joe, attack the passionate activists putting Biden’s shit on blast. 

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17 minutes ago, B00M said:

Did he hit too close to home or something? What was so disagreeable?

At this point, Obama's words are like classical music compared to Trump's, which are more like someone struggling to unclog a toilet.

And this is the problem, Obama still lives in an America not run by a white supremacist crime syndicate where “cancel-culture” is a legitimate problem.  

It’s the kind of tone-deafness that give the hard right aid and comfort.  When I call out Obama for having something to do with Trump (other than being black), this is the kind of stuff I’m talking about.  He’s too scared to punch right because it would be perceived as “divisive” but he has no qualms about hitting the left because no one would dare criticize the god emperor Obama on the left. 

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7 minutes ago, B00M said:

What was so disagreeable?

He's working with and embracing a right-wing caricature of progressives. Progressives know that compromise is necessary and they do it constantly. Progressives don't reflexively hate everyone to their right. This is a right-wing cartoon of the left, and Obama starts off by validating that cartoon as a real reflection of progressive politics.

As someone on the left, it's bad for a recent Democratic president to basically talk like Ben Shapiro about our growing movement.

If you're not on the left or a progressive, this sounds really good because it conforms with a centrist/center-right worldview and his tone is good so the superficial presentation is pleasing.

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10 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

And this is the problem, Obama still lives in an America not run by a white supremacist crime syndicate where “cancel-culture” is a legitimate problem.  

It’s the kind of tone-deafness that give the hard right aid and comfort.  When I call out Obama for having something to do with Trump (other than being black), this is the kind of stuff I’m talking about.  He’s too scared to punch right because it would be perceived as “divisive” but he has no qualms about hitting the left because no one would dare criticize the god emperor Obama on the left. 

Why do you assume that when Obama is talking about how people should be less toxic and intolerant and judgemental online, that he's talking about the far left?

 

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46 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

He's looking out at the political landscape and the problem he sees is young people on college campuses.

A completely useless observation that helps no one and the only purpose of it is to try and stop people from criticizing his legacy.

Which he doesn't really have to worry about. He's going into the top tier historically.

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

God forbid the man has a perspective that differs from bad_teammate's.  I mean, b_t does more damage to the left in one day than Obama has done his entire political career.  One of them is toxic, and it sure isn't Obama.

Nothing Obama said was objectively incorrect, it’s just a really weird thing for him to be concerned enough about to publicly pontificate on considering all the challenges we’re dealing with as a society. 

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Nothing Obama said was objectively incorrect, it’s just a really weird thing for him to be concerned enough about to publicly pontificate on considering all the challenges we’re dealing with as a society. 

Yep toxicity and vitriol and lack of attempting to understand other people is definitely something that is ridiculous for Obama to be concerned with in today's day and age!

You sure do find a lot of odd things to feel victimized and sorry for yourself about.

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16 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

He's working with and embracing a right-wing caricature of progressives. Progressives know that compromise is necessary and they do it constantly. Progressives don't reflexively hate everyone to their right. This is a right-wing cartoon of the left, and Obama starts off by validating that cartoon as a real reflection of progressive politics.

As someone on the left, it's bad for a recent Democratic president to basically talk like Ben Shapiro about our growing movement.

If you're not on the left or a progressive, this sounds really good because it conforms with a centrist/center-right worldview and his tone is good so the superficial presentation is pleasing.

His larger point was that young progressives, if they really want to bring about change, should show up and vote. 

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The irony that the post which triggered this latest little spat between surly progressives was praising Obama for his inclusive nature is not lost on me:

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Remember the days when we had a super divisive President 

 

Some people just gotta have reflexively furrowed brows about everything, I suppose.  It's ingrained in the left.  "Oh no, have we gone too far?"

Yeesh.

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5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

His larger point was that young progressives, if they really want to bring about change, should show up and vote. 

And not exclude potential allies because of some personal notion of intellectual purity.  It's the left's version of the Tea Party screaming "RINO!!!" at moderates.  It's not a good way to build the coalitions needed to win and effect actual progress.

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1 minute ago, BradInATX said:

Why do you assume that when Obama is talking about how people should be less toxic and intolerant and judgemental online, that he's talking about the far left?

What do you think "politically 'woke'" means at the beginning of his statement?

I'm taking this from you in good faith and assuming you're not just trolling.

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Which he doesn't really have to worry about.

And yet he does. Strange, no?

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Nothing Obama said was objectively incorrect...

It's incorrect that the progressive left and college kids are obsessed with perfect political purity and are politically inactive and just Tweet. Young people's engagement boomed from 2016-2018 and their share of the voting population increased dramatically.

He should ask himself why he did such a terrible job of inspiring young people to participate. He should introspect instead of being yet another old guy taking shots at young people. It's pathetic to watch.

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3 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

Yep toxicity and vitriol and lack of attempting to understand other people is definitely something that is ridiculous for Obama to be concerned with in today's day and age!

You sure do find a lot of odd things to feel victimized and sorry for yourself about.

Donald Trump is President of the United States. 

You were saying something about toxicity, vitriol, and lack of attempting to understand other people...

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And not exclude potential allies because of some personal notion of intellectual purity.

What does this actually even mean, though? Not hurting centrist/center-right feelings on the Internet?

He spent his entire presidency desperate to seek bipartisan compromise and accomplished absolutely nothing good in a bipartisan way.

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1 hour ago, yoladu said:

The problem is/was Hillary, to some extent, was guilty. ie: basket of deplorables.

Sure, we can all think it and agree , but her saying it publicly was not helpful.

I love how the right brings this up, but doesn't say a fucking word about their president calling half the country "human scum."

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What does this actually even mean, though? Not hurting centrist/center-right feelings on the Internet?

He spent his entire presidency desperate to seek bipartisan compromise and accomplished absolutely nothing good in a bipartisan way.

Senate rules necessitate bipartisanship for any legislation to get through Congress.

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Just now, bad_teammate said:

What does this actually even mean, though? Not hurting centrist/center-right feelings on the Internet?

He spent his entire presidency desperate to seek bipartisan compromise and accomplished absolutely nothing good in a bipartisan way.

He got elected twice by running an inclusive message. I didn't hear him say, "we have to give the GOP a chance."  What I heard was, "Let's not run down people who have more in common with us than not."  In other words, make friends, not enemies in among ourselves.    

Even if Obamacare was his only progressive achievement, that was two steps forward.  One step back was on the otherside. 

 

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2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

What does this actually even mean, though? Not hurting centrist/center-right feelings on the Internet?

He spent his entire presidency desperate to seek bipartisan compromise and accomplished absolutely nothing good in a bipartisan way.

Good lord.  It's entirely possible to advocate for bringing the ENTIRE left, from moderate to extreme, on board so as to reverse the dismal tide we are currently drowning in.  I remain absolutely flabbergasted at the myopic nature of people like you.  Newsflash:  OBAMA WAS TALKING TO YOU in much of that clip.

And to reference your point about the spike in young voter activity, LMAO, they still don't vote as much as they should.  From your own damn article:

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2 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

That was.. my point.

Odd point because it was the complacency of the center and left that allowed Trump to happen in the first place.  People need to be more outraged at the current state of affairs, not less, and calling out the young people fighting hard for a better world is really rich.  The hard left has issues and I get that Obama is just trying to clean his own house so more democrats can win but we’re way past the whole “simmer down youngsters, we just need to come together and everything will be okay.”  Especially coming from Obama.

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2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Odd point because it was the complacency of the center and left that allowed Trump to happen in the first place. 

NO.  

Disabusive yourself of this notion, once and for all.  The Republicans nominated Donald Trump and then voted him in as POTUS, with a little sanctioned voter suppression (da) that put him over the top.  Stop blaming people who are fundamentally on the right side of history.  Self-flagellation is a really, really bad look, and it leaves permanent marks.  Stop it.

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3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Senate rules necessitate bipartisanship for any legislation to get through Congress.

Only if you lose the Senate and House and basically the entire country's state Congresses... like Obama did in his 8 years of fantastic image/tone and pathetic policy/politics.

If you get a majority in the Senate you can do whatever you want. Obama had that for 2 years, by the way.

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He got elected twice by running an inclusive message. I didn't hear him say, "we have to give the GOP a chance."

So it's a case for how to personally get elected, not how to get anything done.

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Even if Obamacare was his only progressive achievement, that was two steps forward.  One step back was on the otherside. 

And Obamacare got how many GOP votes in the Senate? How many actual GOP Senate votes did Obama swing over to Romneycare?

(The number you're looking for is zero.)

He gave them a year+ of delays and hundreds of amendments in return for zero votes. And the lesson he learned from that was, "Hmm, this is brilliant strategy and I should keep doing it."

And a decade later he still thinks it rules.

2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Good lord.  It's entirely possible to advocate for bringing the ENTIRE left, from moderate to extreme, on board so as to reverse the dismal tide we are currently drowning in.

Then why not talk to the moderates? Why not talk to the center-right? Why are the punches always thrown left? Why throw ANY punches left?

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Stop blaming people who are fundamentally on the right side of history.

Isn't that exactly what both you and Obama are doing here? Chiding those who are actually right for how alienating it is of them to be right and say, "I'm right."?

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1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

Only if you lose the Senate and House and basically the entire country's state Congresses... like Obama did in his 8 years of fantastic image/tone and pathetic policy/politics.

If you get a majority in the Senate you can do whatever you want. Obama had that for 2 years, by the way.

So it's a case for how to personally get elected, not how to get anything done.

And Obamacare got how many GOP votes in the Senate? How many actual GOP Senate votes did Obama swing over to Romneycare?

(The number you're looking for is zero.)

He gave them a year+ of delays and hundreds of amendments in return for zero votes. And the lesson he learned from that was, "Hmm, this is brilliant strategy and I should keep doing it."

And a decade later he still thinks it rules.

Then why not talk to the moderates? Why not talk to the center-right? Why are the punches always thrown left? Why throw ANY punches left?

Isn't that exactly what both you and Obama are doing here? Chiding those who are actually right for how alienating it is of them to be right and say, "I'm right."?

And your strategy of forming the firing squad in the circle has worked how many times? 

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2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

NO.  

Disabusive yourself of this notion, once and for all.  The Republicans nominated Donald Trump and then voted him in as POTUS, with a little sanctioned voter suppression (da) that put him over the top.  Stop blaming people who are fundamentally on the right side of history.  Self-flagellation is a really, really bad look, and it leaves permanent marks.  Stop it.

Hitler came to power not because the Nazi Party was strong but because the German people were weak.   We are witnessing a similar thing here with the Trump movement.  

The Germans that quietly opposed and silently stood by while Hitler took over do not get to absolve themselves of responsibility.  Neither will the people you consider “fundamentally on the right side of history” today.

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2 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

And your strategy of forming the firing squad in the circle has worked how many times? 

That's not the strategy. Like Obama, you're speaking out of hurt feelings.

The left strategy is to motivate the young voters and working classes by promoting socially and economically equitable policies that redistribute wealth downward, where it belongs.

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If Obama's goal here is to motivate young people to vote, is there anyone with a functioning brain that believes a good strategy to accomplish that is to go on a stage and talk about them in the same way hack right-wing comedians talk about them?

The purpose of punching at college students isn't to align yourself in solidarity with college students. This is basic common sense.

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