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On 2/10/2020 at 10:09 PM, Beau Vine said:

Exactly.   When I watch baseball on TV, I watch the catcher's signals and try to figure out what pitch is coming.  Always have.  It really fucking annoys me when they're showing the crowd or some other stupid shit instead.  

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Here's the thing that makes me absolutely livid about this... Cheating happens all the time in baseball. At all levels. All levels. The MLB itself cheats the game by juicing the ball. Players juiced t

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It's not the end, I agree. The Astros are still sacks of giant shit, though.  Shame on them.

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Very sad to see that the Astros are basically dipshit cheaters from the top down. Hey, at least the Black Sox are happy that someone else is wearing their crown of infamy.    

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Iceman

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The embers of jealousy and the hot coals of hate keep getting stoked by idiots who just want to stir the fucking pot against the Astros.

The sanctions/ punishment have been meted out. the rest of this is just whining horse shit.  Fuck everyone else.  This season cannot get started soon enough.  Gotdam these people to hell for acting as if some huge crimes against humanity were committed. 

The motto for 2020:  Believe it motherfuckers...  you're still gonna get your ass kicked.

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Does the Athletic cover any non-Astros stories anymore?  Seems like only a matter of time until "Astros" is added to their banner next to NFL/MLB/NBA/etc. at the top of the page.

Yeah I just cancelled when my subscription ends at the end of feb.

 

I’ll probably renew eventually but it for damn sure won’t be the full auto renewal price...

 

That’ll show em

 

 

 

Edit: holy shit. I just opened my daily email from them. Here are the headlines for someone with the Astros as a “favorite:

 

“The Astros told Chris Archer he was tipping pitches. Now he knows they were ‘willing to do anything to win’”

 

“‘I hope they feel like sh—-‘: Angels lash out at Astros in wake of sign-stealing scandal”

 

“Dave Hudgens knew why the Astros were banging trash cans. He let it go on. Now he says he’s sorry”

 

And then articles about actual baseball

 

I guess I’m reading tmz now

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Alternative is to go full truth and reconciliations. “Beltran started it, I/this guy brought this tactic from team x, we caught team y doing this.”  This allows other teams to come forward and confess without penalty (other than Boston, and perhaps NYY) 
 

It turns Stros into snitches, I guess. But if there is a one time get out of jail free card for things done since Sept 2017, perhaps you learn it is pretty prevalent, and everyone talks.  And if you are caught and didn’t talk, you get double what Stros got. 
 

But this country can’t handle a T&C process because it needs its pound of flesh. 

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23 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said:


False. They could be more truthful and open and it would go a lot further than this bullshit he’s spewing.

Truthful?  Like the other teams?

 

lolz...

 

Let’s just hope the lack of contrition doesn't hurt the Astros in the polls going into the playoff selection process...

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27 minutes ago, Scraps said:

I love this from Crane actually.

What do you want to say to the Yankees?  "Eh Fuck em we won bitch"

What do you want to say to the Dodgers?  "Eh fuck em we won bitch"

Let's fucking go.  

 

 

 

 

 

"We dont feel like it affected the outcome of the game, we had a great team"

 

3 minutes later

 

"I never said that it didnt affect the the outcome of the game"

 

Jesus, this guy owns a baseball team and doesnt have a lawyer to tell him to just shut the fuck up about it?

 

Seriously, i don't get it. When someone is accused of something the dumbest thing they can do is speak publicly about it. Just say "we're done with it, MLB did what they did, move on".

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2 hours ago, UTexasFight said:

Edit: holy shit. I just opened my daily email from them. Here are the headlines for someone with the Astros as a “favorite:

 

“The Astros told Chris Archer he was tipping pitches. Now he knows they were ‘willing to do anything to win’”

 

“‘I hope they feel like sh—-‘: Angels lash out at Astros in wake of sign-stealing scandal”

 

“Dave Hudgens knew why the Astros were banging trash cans. He let it go on. Now he says he’s sorry”

 

And then articles about actual baseball

Astros to The Athletic:

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12 hours ago, UTexasFight said:

 

Aaaand he just did:

 

 

https://www.si.com/.amp/mlb/2020/02/13/hinch-unaware-astros-buzzers-sign-stealing?__twitter_impression=true

I didn't understand the hubbub to begin with.  His original answer was no and he pointed to the report as backing that up.  I don't see why people read that as an evasion.

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18 minutes ago, Go Pokes said:

Um, maybe because it's the most impactful sports cheating scandal in 100 years?   

Oh please, not even close. This electronic surveillance "scandal" was employed by numerous teams across MLB, as previously reported by Verducci in 2018. This wasn't new, it was an open secret with a code of silence by every player in MLB. THEY ALL KNEW. So here's an idea for the opposition....CHANGE YOUR SIGNS!!!


Cheating is endemic in baseball and it's not the Big Deal this narrative has evolved into. This is a bunch of stupid fuckin pearl clutching by the media and butthurt fans of other teams who hate us because they ain't us. This gives them a participation ribbon and a dream of the World Series that they didn't win. 

This is only a big scandal because MLB allowed these circumstances with the implementation of instant replay and looked the other way when the Dodgers, Red Sox, and Yankees were doing it. Now the Astros are the convenient fall guy because 1) they had guys in the front office who played the smartest guys in the room role to the media instead of playing the likable insider role and 2) they kept beating the marquee franchises on the field and at their own game and 3) Mike Fiers didn't like being left off the playoff roster and not invited back and 4) Evan Drellich wanted revenge for the front office bullying him back in 2015 or so. 

I'm ready to start this season and cheer as the Astros take on the world.

 

 

 

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Beau Vine

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It's the 2nd-biggest baseball cheating scandal in 100 years.   So yeah, it's not going away and the Athletic is not wrong to keep covering it.  

And honestly, it bears a lot of similarities with the steroid scandal.  Guys have been taking steroids/PEDs for decades.  Mickey Mantle took steroids.  Babe Ruth took steroids.  So the problem isn't that Bonds and Clemens took steroids; the problem is that the steroids they took were too good.  

The lesson -- if you're going to cheat like everyone else, then cheat like everyone else -- don't be better than everyone else at cheating.  

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If this is such a big fucking deal, why didn't it cause the same level of outrage when Verducci wrote the following in Nov 2 2018 SI?

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Forget free agency, Bryce Harper and Manny Machado. The most important person this baseball offseason is commissioner Rob Manfred. He punted on the chance last offseason to exercise his power to implement pace of action procedures (i.e., a pitch clock) out of deference to a players association that was chapped about a slow-developing free agent market.

Among the developments that are slowing baseball games to a crawl: the proliferation of electronic surveillance. Many clubs now have as many as six high magnification cameras installed in their home ballpark specifically designed to steal signs from opponents.

Here’s how quickly things have changed, according to a Dodgers source. Three years ago, if you walked into the Dodgers’ video room behind their Dodger Stadium dugout you would likely have found Zack Greinke pouring over video of opposing hitters, looking for any edge he could find to match up his stuff against their weakness. This year, if you walked into the same room you would have found a small army of 20-something analysts in polo shirts and slacks pouring over video from the in-house cameras, like the security room at a Vegas casino. Most teams train their cameras on the catcher, the pitcher (from several angles), the third base coach and the dugout.

These cameras are not used for training purposes. They are used expressly for stealing signs and deciphering “tells” from pitchers.

“We’ve reached a point,” said one club executive, “where the attractiveness of the sport as an entertainment option has been lost in the quest to find every incremental edge. And video has changed things rapidly. I’m increasingly thinking something has to be done.”

 

The entire takeaway from that piece has nothing to do with "cheating" but with the problem of the pace of play. So what changed between then and now?

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