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Here's the thing that makes me absolutely livid about this... Cheating happens all the time in baseball. At all levels. All levels. The MLB itself cheats the game by juicing the ball. Players juiced t

Asithappens
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It's not the end, I agree. The Astros are still sacks of giant shit, though.  Shame on them.

Asithappens
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Very sad to see that the Astros are basically dipshit cheaters from the top down. Hey, at least the Black Sox are happy that someone else is wearing their crown of infamy.    

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Has this study been discussed?

https://today.duke.edu/2020/07/did-cheating-actually-help-houston-astros-win-world-series

 

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“I know it sounds crazy,” said William Krenzer, a social psychologist at Duke University and instructor in the university’s Science and Society program. “In the games where they definitely cheated, there is little or no evidence of a significant surge in hits or runs”

A few findings: 
●    There was no statistically significant difference in the number of strikes, in-play outs, or hits when the Astros banged the signal; 
●    There was, however, a 5 percent increase in the number of balls called on pitches in which the Astros hitter was signaled. This could be because hitters are more prepared for the pitch or because a breaking ball – one that curves on its way to the batter – is more likely to fall outside the strike zone, the researchers posit.
●    Many Astros batters, including several of the team’s top players, actually hit worse at home – when the cheating should have given them an advantage – than on the road. Krenzer and Splan looked at each hitter’s weighted on-base average – which evaluates a player’s overall offensive contributions per at-bat – and found that most players performed essentially the same at home and on the road. Three players, Brian McCann, Jose Altuve, and Marwin Gonzales, actually hit worse at home. Only one, Jake Marisnick, was substantially better in games where the cheating occurred.

 

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Has this study been discussed?

https://today.duke.edu/2020/07/did-cheating-actually-help-houston-astros-win-world-series

 

 

It is a good one, and the authors essentially draw the same conclusions as others who have tried to find some evidence that the "greatest scandal in the history of sports" actually made much (if any) difference in actual performance outcomes. Most of what has come out has not supported the idea that the players actually performed much differently at all while banging on trash cans. I believe there was some evidence that a few players' pitch selection improved a bit; that isn't nothing, but the overall outcomes of the aggregate of team PAs doesn't appear much different compared to "control" settings. 

Nobody, of course, is going to hear this (and by "hear this," I mean accept the actual, verifiable data). Any attempt to argue will be drowned out by a chorus of "of course it helps to know what pitch is coming!" and "if it didn't help why did they keep doing it?!?!" and, probably more frequently, "cheaters!!!"

(Note: the first point assumes that they were 100% accurate with the signalling of the pitch that was coming, which they obviously weren't; the second is strange because the report states that they did stop doing it, but then you'll hear about completely made-up "buzzer" talk and the like; the third, although infantile and somewhat meaningless, probably has the most merit of the three.)

There is a legit argument that the intent to benefit by breaking the rules is the issue, regardless of the outcomes. I can buy that. But let's also remember that the Astros haven't been admonished so much for actually cheating as they have for the degree of cheating (i.e., they cheated more than the Red Sox or Yankees did); so is it really about the intent? 

If it is about intent, about bad sportsmanship, etc - I agree, the actions are disappointing. If it is about delegitimizing the team's accomplishments - then the critic should actually care about studies like these. But they will not, because they don't fit their preconceived narrative. And that's why this entire notion of "greatest scandal ever" is and always has been absurd and tremendously exaggerated. 

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From McTaggart:

 

Because there's an 80-percent chance of rain Monday, Dusty Baker said the team will decide in the morning if it's going to Kansas City. If the weather is bad, they would just stay home and work in Houston.

 

 

Also looks like McHugh opted out of season. His career is probably over now. I mean i guess someone could give him a shot nect year but, A) he isn't that good, and B ) he will be like 34, and C ) he barely got signed this season. Good luck to him and hopefully some team picks him up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/07/collin-mchugh-opts-out-of-2020-season.html

 

Red Sox right-hander Collin McHugh has announced his intention to opt out of the 2020 season, according to Ian Browne of MLB.com. Per Browne, McHugh said that his arm hasn’t recovered as well as he’d hoped after an elbow procedure in December.

As such, McHugh expected to spend a portion of the season on the injured list, and manager Ron Roenicke relayed (video courtesy of Rob Bradford of WEEI) that McHugh felt it best to spend that time at home with family during the pandemic. McHugh will be removed from the Boston 60-man player pool and 40-man roster.

The 33-year-old appeared to be making progress towards a return to action, but that progress seems to have stagnated recently, preventing McHugh from throwing live batting practice and ramping up into intrasquad game action.

McHugh signed on with the Red Sox in March, agreeing to an incentive-laden contract that only guaranteed him $650K for the season, but that would have allowed him to earn up to $3.625MM based on innings pitched and time spent on the active roster.

Interestingly, as Alex Speier of the Boston Globe notes, McHugh already received the entirety of his guaranteed salary for the season through the preseason advance; by opting out the season, he is forfeiting only pay from those incentives, which were far-fetched given the injury.

With McHugh choosing to sit this season out, he’ll once again enter free agency in the coming winter, hopefully at full health and ready to contribute to a Major League club. Interested teams won’t have data and footage from 2020 to rely on, and they’ll have to weigh whether to deploy McHugh as a starter or reliever. Speculatively, a contract similar to the one he signed last winter sounds feasible.

McHugh has spent the last six years of his career with the Astros, toggling between a role in the bullpen and in the starting rotation. He has succeeded in both roles in the past, though last year he faltered as a starter, shifting to relief before injury prevented him from playing in the last third of the season. He posted a mediocre 4.70 ERA in 35 games—8 starts. 2018, on the other hand, was McHugh’s best as a pro, as he excelled in a full-time relief role, notching a 1.99 ERA while striking out 94 batters in 72 1/3 innings of work.

From a baseball perspective, the loss of McHugh will no doubt make a dent in the depth of the Boston pitching staff, which was already looking thin. Nathan Eovaldi will start on Opening Day, but beyond him, there are a bunch of question marks. Free agent signing Martin Perez is probably next in line, with Ryan Weber, Brian Johnson, and Matt Hall all in the mix. Eduardo Rodriguez, back in Red Sox camp after contracting the coronavirus, will hopefully join the rotation in short order, and Zack Godley might find himself thrust into a bigger role.

McHugh is one of many players who have chosen to spend this season on the sidelines amidst the pandemic, joining the likes of David Price, Buster Posey, Ryan Zimmerman, among others. An ongoing list of players opting out can be found here.

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From Chandler Rome:

Aledmys Diaz said he has texted with Yordan Alvarez since summer camp started. Diaz didn't/can't say much, but did say Alvarez is in good spirits.

Asked if he's optimistic Alvarez will return this season, Diaz said "yes. I think he's going to be ready."

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Also looks like McHugh opted out of season. His career is probably over now. I mean i guess someone could give him a shot nect year but, A) he isn't that good, and B ) he will be like 34, and C ) he barely got signed this season. Good luck to him and hopefully some team picks him up.

 

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