2020 Texas Rangers Offseason

[Pato del Muerto 52,485]

Who cares anymore. The way you win in this league is to either spend like the LA and NY teams, or be so good at drafting and development that you can stock the roster with good, cheap players AND have enough on the farm to trade for what you are missing.  Like Houston has done. Think about Correa, bregman, springer, gurriel, all coming up at the relative same time, plus Alvarez, and what they had that they used to get McCann, verlander, and cole. 
 

Texas isn’t willing to spend and has zero track record of draft/development. Shit show. 

[Post Oak 20,208]

Per Levi

Out on Donaldson now too.  

I know next year they'll be average.  About like last year. 75 or 80 wins.  There will be good runs and good weeks but I almost think I would lean to trading everyone not named Gallo, Solak, Guzman and Willie and see if you could rebuild.

[NOMAAA 1,696]

14 minutes ago, Post Oak said:

Per Levi

Out on Donaldson now too.  

I know next year they'll be average.  About like last year. 75 or 80 wins.  There will be good runs and good weeks but I almost think I would lean to trading everyone not named Gallo, Solak, Guzman and Willie and see if you could rebuild.

if the asking price for Doucherson is as high as what is being reported, good.

[HRSchenker 2,268]

Wow this season is going to suck. At least we'll suck in an air conditioned park?

[NOMAAA 1,696]

why is it going to suck?  because they added a couple of middle of the rotation pitchers that can contribute and unloaded a guy that cant seem to play a full season and when he does is only league average?

[Get ln My Van 927]

Jon Daniels on trading for Kris Bryant: “trading for a player with a year or two of control doesn’t make sense”

Defending Jon Daniels also doesn’t make sense. Fuck him.

[NOMAAA 1,696]

why is that a wrong statement?  you want to give up what few prospects they do have and further deplete the system for a guy that can up and leave in a year or two?  thats asinine. 

[Skipper 6,127]

2 hours ago, HRSchenker said:

Wow this season is going to suck. At least we'll suck in an air conditioned park?

I'm 100% convinced this ownership only cares about the bottom line.  They know they will get an attendance boost year 1 regardless just because of the novelty of the new park.  I don't think they give 2 shits if this team wins as long as they aren't 'worst team in the league' bad.

[Post Oak 20,208]

JD has a quote that losing Rendon sucks.  Not gonna sugarcoat it.

 

This makes me believe this is on ownership.

I don't know for sure that maybe colored by my opinion of JD

[Get ln My Van 927]

1 hour ago, NOMAAA said:

why is that a wrong statement?  you want to give up what few prospects they do have and further deplete the system for a guy that can up and leave in a year or two?  thats asinine. 

Our farm system is shit either way. Go get a proven all star and show some semblance of give a damn.

I’d like to see how he plans to compete without the ability to develop prospects, low balling free agents, making questionable (at best) trades, and handing out albatross contracts after one year of success. How do you defend the guy? Because he struck gold once with josh Hamilton?

[NOMAAA 1,696]

not defending past mistakes.  but trading the farm for 2 years of bryant is a bad move.  i wouldnt say that he low-balled rendon.  if they really put out 6/200 with an option for a7th, thats far from lowballing.  who have they lowballed recently?  asking because i cannot remember.  i remember the plan a few seasons ago was keeping the powder dry waiting for kershaw to come home, but that ship has sailed.  i think they want big free agents but arent going to go about it dumb like they did in the past (i assume the albatross you mentioned was Choo).  giving donaldson 75mil would have been as bad as choo, just less years.  and choo didnt have one year of success.  i guess i just defended a past mistake.

spending stupid money is bad.  trading away the farm is bad.  jd has been around long enough to do both and i am hoping that he learned a lesson and can build something.  that said, would have loved to have matched the angels offer and gotten rendon.  hurts to lose that one if he was really even interested in coming here.

 

[Get ln My Van 927]

I understand the ownership may be hamstringing him, but fair or not, sports are a what have you done for me lately business. 

Since Nolan left Jon Daniels has not made any GM moves that have given the appearance of hope for the future. If you don’t have results you sure as shit better have the appearance of hope.

[DougO 5,243]

JD has been pretty good at picking up value veterans that outperform out expectations. He's had some good prospects. My main beef with him is he tends to repeatedly produce the same kind of player, big power, shitty defense, terrible plate discipline. You need guys who play defense and get on base a lot and don't kill rallies with strikeouts. And you need some talented starting pitchers under the age of 45.

[Pato del Muerto 52,485]

2 minutes ago, DougO said:

JD has been pretty good at picking up value veterans that outperform out expectations. He's had some good prospects. My main beef with him is he tends to repeatedly produce the same kind of player, big power, shitty defense, terrible plate discipline. You need guys who play defense and get on base a lot and don't kill rallies with strikeouts. And you need some talented starting pitchers under the age of 45.

Those kinds of players cost money. 

[DougO 5,243]

21 hours ago, NOMAAA said:

Rendon to angels. At some point Simpson has to get tired of losing out to Moreno. 

Might have saved the Rangers bacon if their past big money free agents are any indication. They still kinda suck.

[DougO 5,243]

I think the main reason we're crying about losing out on Rendon is because that carrot was dangled out to us and then snatched away. What a shock, right? I don't think it's a big loss. He's probably one of the most overrated underrated player in the league. He kinda sucks on D, he's not young, he's a real good hitter, not elite, there's likely not a great deal more upside from here, only his eventual wearing out. He would have been a good piece in the starting 9, but not for the cost. Let the Angels eat it.

They drafted two college third basemen, 1 and 2, this year. They are expected to be ready by 2021, 22. Who knows, they may be ready earlier with some luck. What were they going to do with the other 6 years of Rendon's massive contract? I think Solak and some combination of guys can hold down the corner for a year or two.

Edited December 13, 2019 by DougO

[DougO 5,243]

21 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Those kinds of players cost money. 

That's why you draft them.

[Post Oak 20,208]

22 minutes ago, DougO said:

JD has been pretty good at picking up value veterans that outperform out expectations. He's had some good prospects. My main beef with him is he tends to repeatedly produce the same kind of player, big power, shitty defense, terrible plate discipline. You need guys who play defense and get on base a lot and don't kill rallies with strikeouts. And you need some talented starting pitchers under the age of 45.

I tend to agree.  I was very happy with their perceived shift in the last draft and hopefully it continues.

[NOMAAA 1,696]

3 hours ago, Get ln My Van said:

I understand the ownership may be hamstringing him, but fair or not, sports are a what have you done for me lately business. 

Since Nolan left Jon Daniels has not made any GM moves that have given the appearance of hope for the future. If you don’t have results you sure as shit better have the appearance of hope.

What moves did he not make to give you hope for the future?

[Jameslaw121 4,448]

55 minutes ago, Post Oak said:

I tend to agree.  I was very happy with their perceived shift in the last draft and hopefully it continues.

From what I've read, Walker (as well as Jung and Wenzel) are supposed to be more contact first/Plate discipline types. Rather than just pure power

With Gallo playing a full year, getting any improvement in our SP outside of Lynn and Minor, the Rangers will probably be around 85 wins. Not enough to compete for the ALW, but possibly a WC spot. Especially if something serious happens to the Astros that might hamper them next year. And it looks like the Yankees will probably destroy  the WC hopes of the Red Sox and Tampa Bay.

 

 

[NOMAAA 1,696]

Minor Lynn Gibson lyles and allard isn’t a dogshit rotation if the front two hold form. They aren’t a last place team. All you internet gm’s must have forgotten how hard it was to get to a playoff team.  And we are only what, 3 years removed from competing for the playoffs? Good Christ. 

[DougO 5,243]

The team was considerably better last season than expectations were going in. New ballpark could give them a bit of a boost. Hopefully, they can still pull off a couple of decent acquisitions.

[Trey3216 15,344]

18 hours ago, Jameslaw121 said:

From what I've read, Walker (as well as Jung and Wenzel) are supposed to be more contact first/Plate discipline types. Rather than just pure power

With Gallo playing a full year, getting any improvement in our SP outside of Lynn and Minor, the Rangers will probably be around 85 wins. Not enough to compete for the ALW, but possibly a WC spot. Especially if something serious happens to the Astros that might hamper them next year. And it looks like the Yankees will probably destroy  the WC hopes of the Red Sox and Tampa Bay.

 

 

Jung and Wenzel are both guys that can go 20 HR/40+2B/80+BB/<80K's at the plate.  They're not pure bombs away 3B, but they are going to hit to the gaps and hit for contact, and they're not going to strike out 140x per year.  

[Dr Fear 1,268]

The roof is on fire.

[Jive Turkey 12,594]

We don’t need no water let the muthafucka burn. 

 

[Jive Turkey 12,594]

 

[Pato del Muerto 52,485]

Not that it’s reflective of the current state of the franchise or anything. 

[BigDHornfan 6,545]

[conVINCEd 21,469]

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28304613/sources-rangers-nearing-deal-indians-ace-corey-kluber
 

 

[Henry Hill 3,156]

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Edited December 15, 2019 by Henry Hill

[Gucci_Suit 2,642]

Delino and Emmanuel Clase going back

[Ignatius 4,017]

6 minutes ago, Gucci_Suit said:

Delino and Emmanuel Clase going back

Think Clase is going to be a good one, but it takes something to get something; Delino is going to be what he always has been.  If Kluber is healthy this gives us a really good top 3 of the rotation...

[JOSEYWALES66 1,801]

7 minutes ago, Gucci_Suit said:

Delino and Emmanuel Clase going back

Has to be more than that.  Burke? Allard?  Hopefully not Polumbo. 

[Dr Fear 1,268]

I'm surprised JD didnt balk at the $1 trade kicker.

[Jameslaw121 4,448]

Gonna miss watching Clase throw 101 mph fastballs....

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[Post Oak 20,208]

25 minutes ago, JOSEYWALES66 said:

Has to be more than that.  Burke? Allard?  Hopefully not Polumbo. 

I would think so but I thought we would've heard another name by now.  

Well done JD

[Pato del Muerto 52,485]

Interesting 

[Post Oak 20,208]

@Tepid is saying that Clase is a headache.

 

Maybe that's why a 21 year old with a 101 cutter has been traded twice

[Get ln My Van 927]

I like this trade a lot. Opens up possibilities to be aggressive in more trades.

Well done, JD

[Elmer_Fudd 22,202]

Seems like we are still going to have a shitty bullpen.

[JOSEYWALES66 1,801]

Hopefully the starters will go deeper and put less stress on the bullpen.  
 

Leclerc needs to have a good year and i really like  the Joel’s Rodriquez signing.  But yeah, it won’t be a dominant pen for sure. 

[Pato del Muerto 52,485]

Bullpen is the easiest thing to acquire, and cheaply.  So there’s that. 

[DougO 5,243]

Rangers had to make the deal now before Kluber found out the new air conditioned stadium burned down.

[C-Man 27,185]

23 hours ago, Post Oak said:

@Tepid is saying that Clase is a headache.

 

Maybe that's why a 21 year old with a 101 cutter has been traded twice

And seeing reports that Clase doesn't miss as many bats as you'd think somebody with 101 mph stuff might.

[Pato del Muerto 52,485]

6 minutes ago, C-Man said:

And seeing reports that Clase doesn't miss as many bats as you'd think somebody with 101 mph stuff might.

Reports?  We saw it live last season. 

[C-Man 27,185]

16 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Reports?  We saw it live last season. 

I watched less baseball than I probably ever have last season, including the Rangers.

[Jameslaw121 4,448]

He was in the middle of the pack for whiff rate (around 26%), but you would think it would be alot higher with that velo.

[HRSchenker 2,268]

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2019/12/16/arlington-set-to-vote-on-another-massive-550-million-loews-hotel-and-convention-center/?fbclid=IwAR1FcQx6hWqUQOOCJZyHusfUxj14rxNLcnG4DvYQRuSiNH3D96aaF6SGasQ

 

FUCK

[PappyVanVinceYoung 85]

Feeling good so far about this offseason. Trying to make sense of where we stand and what's left to do. A few questions for you guys. I don't live in Dallas, so I'm a little out of it on current thinking.

1) What role does Nick Solak have this year? Does he start out splitting time with Odor? Can he play third base if we don't add someone via free agency?

2) With our starting five seemingly set as Kluber, Minor, Lynn, Gibson, and Lyles, will any of the younger guys like Allard, Burke, or Jurado be on the opening day roster? I guess maybe Jurado would be bullpen?  

3) Is Danny Santana our opening day CF unless we add someone else via free agency or trade?

4) Our returning bullpen guys are Chavez, Leclerc, Brett Martin, and Montero right now? Joely Rodriguez has been added. Anyone else?

5) Any chance Pence gets resigned?

 

Remaining priorities seem to be the following. This seem right?

1) Fill out the bullpen

2) Starter at 3B

3) Starter at 1B

4) Catcher upgrades over Mathis, Kiner-Falefa, and Trevino

5)  Upgrade centerfield

Edited December 17, 2019 by PappyVanVinceYoung

[jeevsie 3,733]

Where ya got Gallo in your lineup?