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3 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

When I look at the other statewide KY races, the gop won easily. I don’t understand when parties refuse to kick out candidates, even incumbents, that aren’t worst keeping. Sure maybe you can squeeze out a win, but you don’t need to. Just put up a decent candidate and you don’t risk losing.  Like with Cruz last year.  Obviously he won, but an unknown gop candidate probably would have won without the fuss.

theres something to be said about having a kingmaker(s) behind the scenes in politics that can tell the governor to retire.

Ego and love of power.

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8 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Partially agree, but I'm romantically (and professionally) wedded to the notion that we can drag some of small town America along with us by helping them with education and restructuring/reforming/diversifying their local economies.

How about they stop being racist and pick themselves up by their bootstraps. I'm tired of cuddling that group of people. 

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2 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

When I look at the other statewide KY races, the gop won easily. I don’t understand when parties refuse to kick out candidates, even incumbents, that aren’t worst keeping. Sure maybe you can squeeze out a win, but you don’t need to. Just put up a decent candidate and you don’t risk losing.  Like with Cruz last year.  Obviously he won, but an unknown gop candidate probably would have won without the fuss.

theres something to be said about having a kingmaker(s) behind the scenes in politics that can tell the governor to retire.

That's what the Country Club Conservatives and Chamber of Commerce types used to be good at, but they got too close to the flame by playing footsie with the Evangelicals and the C.A.V.E. (Citizens Against Virtually Everything) people.

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12 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Here's the sober reality. How do we reach those who don't live in the population, education, or employment centers of this country?

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Nationwide broadband as a public utility is a good start.  The folks in rural America are actually left behind in the interconnected digital age.  Our society hasn’t done much to rectify it either because profits and DGAF.  

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2 minutes ago, Bruh Man said:

How about they stop being racist and pick themselves up by their bootstraps. I'm tired of cuddling that group of people. 

Admittedly, most aren't a very loveable bunch and, personally, I don't like cuddling with fat racists of Walmart - not fond of coddling them either.

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I was thinking about what someone said above about doing better in mid sized cities.  And thinking about some stuff I've read and seen about cool shit going on in mid size cities.  I don't think this is something I've read, but fits what I'm thinking of - younger people making a life in places they can afford

https://www.curbed.com/2018/5/1/17306978/career-millennial-home-buying-second-city

And how this is a culture war.  Maybe if medium sized places became less dead it would aid in swinging things back to sanity.

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41 minutes ago, troph said:

the notion that Dems can't read much into Beshear is true BUT the same trends are occurring in the burbs in KY as they are playing out elswhere.  That's a nationwide phenomenon.  KY is going to Trump no doubt, but the same phenomenon will make other states much tighter and will require him to spend money defending and time visiting those states and they are still going to be tough wins and some will be lost.  So I think there is plenty to take away from this one.

It also means that Republicans won in spite of Trump, not because of him.   If Trump was as bigly of a draw as he tells everybody on twitter that he is, Beshear should have lost by 15-20.   

That is going to stick in the minds of plenty of Republican politicians, even if they don’t talk about it out loud.   This happened in Arizona, WI, PA, and MI last year.   

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9 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Nationwide broadband as a public utility is a good start.  The folks in rural America are actually left behind in the interconnected digital age.  Our society hasn’t done much to rectify it either because profits and DGAF.  

Interracial porn access through broadband will drag them across the finish line.  

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3 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

I was thinking about what someone said above about doing better in mid sized cities.  And thinking about some stuff I've read and seen about cool shit going on in mid size cities.  I don't think this is something I've read, but fits what I'm thinking of - younger people making a life in places they can afford

https://www.curbed.com/2018/5/1/17306978/career-millennial-home-buying-second-city

And how this is a culture war.  Maybe if medium sized places became less dead it would aid in swinging things back to sanity.

There's a theory out there in the community & economic development world that I follow which calls them "critical mass" communities. In other words, some of them are worth focusing our collective efforts on.

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6 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

If this guy is to be believed, Bevin was loathed even by his own party - considering I know zilch about Kentucky politics, I'll defer to this guy.

 

It's like TexAgs after a decommitment.

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9 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Nationwide broadband as a public utility is a good start.  The folks in rural America are actually left behind in the interconnected digital age.  Our society hasn’t done much to rectify it either because profits and DGAF.  

Meh. They’ll just download and share more Russian made memes and stream white nationalist videos on YouTube. 

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12 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Nationwide broadband as a public utility is a good start.  The folks in rural America are actually left behind in the interconnected digital age.  Our society hasn’t done much to rectify it either because profits and DGAF.  

I get that some dream of leaving the city for the small town. But the reality of it hits many in the face and never make the move. 

screw national broadband. If left up to the govt, I bet we would still have dial up for $100/mo.  Small town America needs to find a way to cover their own bills. 

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1 minute ago, softlynow said:

Meh. They’ll just download and share more Russian made memes and stream white nationalist videos on YouTube. 

Saw this response coming, my answer to this is, “what exactly do we have to lose? Worst case scenario is they elected more insane republicans which they are doing anyway.” 

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1 minute ago, Bateshorn said:

Mmmm...maybe this is a one off with Bevin. 
 

But once somebody has ticket split a first time, it’s easier the second. 
 

Also, does the KY GOP have a supermajority?

They can override a veto with just a majority. 

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2 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I get that some dream of leaving the city for the small town. But the reality of it hits many in the face and never make the move. 

screw national broadband. If left up to the govt, I bet we would still have dial up for $100/mo.  Small town America needs to find a way to cover their own bills. 

1st paragraph: A couple years ago, I was seriously considering leaving Austin to go back home and started following a FB group that covered local politics to keep up with issues there. After a couple of months, I was all like "fuck that and fuck those people." Their deplorable attitudes overrode my nostalgia for living in that place.

2nd paragraph: National broadband is much like the old rural electrification program that brought much of America into the 20th Century. It did some good.

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My only problem with bringing broadband to rural America, and I do think it would benefit many, is that it potentially exposes even more children to those stupid fucking videos of that Ryan kid unboxing and playing with toys.   

I don’t give a fuck how much of a white supremacist you are; I don’t care if you named your kid Adolph.   You can be a KKK member who admires Hitler.  I would never want you to walk into a room where you kid is watching one of those stupid fucking Ryan videos.  

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My only problem with bringing broadband to rural America, and I do think it would benefit many, is that it potentially exposes even more children to those stupid fucking videos of that Ryan kid unboxing and playing with toys.   

I don’t give a fuck how much of a white supremacist you are; I don’t care if you named your kid Adolph.   You can be a KKK member who admires Hitler.  I would never want you to walk into a room where you kid is watching one of those stupid fucking Ryan videos.  

At the same time, back when cable was a new thing in the 1980s, it exposed my Southern Baptist white ass from a conservative backwater to great music on 120 minutes and shit like Aeon Flux, which helped me want to go out and see what the outside world was all about.

Unfortunately, the Church of Christ deacon who ran the local cable outfit thought Madonna was a slut and shut that shit down for subsequent high school classes.

I guess the good comes at risk of the bad. From my point of view, exposure tends to outweigh being sheltered. It seems like most of the alt-right nuts come from the 'burbs and not the tiny towns anyway.

This is the sort of stuff that got me to open my eyes seeing the local hypocrisy and closed mindedness for what it was. In its day, MTV performed a gotdam patriotic national service.

 

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21 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Wow thanks for this flaming hot take 

 

Reality Check #1: Trump personally campaigned in Kentucky within the past few days for that Republican, and Trump made it clear that the vote for Bevin’s seat was a referendum on Trump.  

Reality Check #2:  There we’re down-ballot races won by Republicans with anywhere from 52%-61% of the vote  - which means that Republicans down-ballot received up to 150,000 more votes than Bevin.    So were there a shitload of Democrats who liked Beshear, but voted R elsewhere?  Or were there a sizable chunk of Republicans who simply didn’t give a fuck what Trump said and were willing to cross over for the right Democrat?  Or did it come down to independents who favored Beshear over Trump’s guy?

MoscowMitch is going to have to spend a lot of money figuring all of that out.

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35 minutes ago, bolverk said:

At the same time, back when cable was a new thing in the 1980s, it exposed my Southern Baptist white ass from a conservative backwater to great music on 120 minutes and shit like Aeon Flux, which helped me want to go out and see what the outside world was all about.

Unfortunately, the Church of Christ deacon who ran the local cable outfit thought Madonna was a slut and shut that shit down for subsequent high school classes.

I guess the good comes at risk of the bad. From my point of view, exposure tends to outweigh being sheltered. It seems like most of the alt-right nuts come from the 'burbs and not the tiny towns.

 

Pos rep for Dead Milkmen reference.

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Good news for some in East Kentucky

https://www.lex18.com/news/decision-2019/lee-county-elkhorn-city-legalize-alcohol-sales

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 Three eastern Kentucky communities that have banned alcohol for decades have voted to legalize alcohol sales.

All of Lee County, McKee in Jackson County and Elkhorn City in Pike County have all legalized sales of alcohol despite staunch resistance from opposition. 

Elkhorn City's mayor, Mike Taylor, has been outspoken in his opposition to sales of adult beverages. Despite a failed attempt to legalize alcohol sales in previous elections, the measure finally passed this time with a vote of 262-202.

According to Beattyville city council member Lisa Moore, the wet/dry referendum also passed in Lee County 1,243 - 779.

The Jackson County clerk's office confirms the referendum passed in McKee with a vote of 100-81.

 

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1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I get that some dream of leaving the city for the small town. But the reality of it hits many in the face and never make the move. 

screw national broadband. If left up to the govt, I bet we would still have dial up for $100/mo.  Small town America needs to find a way to cover their own bills. 

Is it Memphis or Nashville that has citywide wifi? How is that going? I pay for the water to come out of the tap. Why can't we have city or co-op intertubz? 

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1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I get that some dream of leaving the city for the small town. But the reality of it hits many in the face and never make the move. 

screw national broadband. If left up to the govt, I bet we would still have dial up for $100/mo.  Small town America needs to find a way to cover their own bills. 

Yep.  Fuck backwoods assholes.  You give up shit to get shit.  You want to live in a place with cheap land/housing and no traffic?  No Netflix for you!

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