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16 hours ago, El Diablo said:

Mormon mafia's got more money than all the cartels put together. The shitbags done fucked up.

Mormons have a history of slaughtering intruders themselves.

Guess they will excommunicate all those cartel scum that they baptized in abstentia.

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17 hours ago, El Diablo said:

Mormon mafia's got more money than all the cartels put together. The shitbags done fucked up.

That would be a cool Netflix series.  If the Mormons had a group like the Jews have the Mossad that went out and did black ops stuff for them.  That is a hit show right there.

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5 minutes ago, Moby Ric said:

That would be a cool Netflix series.  If the Mormons had a group like the Jews have the Mossad that went out and did black ops stuff for them.  That is a hit show right there.

"Just Another Roadside Attraction" kinda touches on this only the hit squads come from the Vatican and are out to squash the Jesus truthers. So not really the same, whatever. ;) 

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There was a guy on the JRE ("Eds Manifesto").  Former Mexican federal officer.  Current international security specialist.  He brought these Mormon colonies up a while back (the amount of firepower they had elicited attention from the police).  Said they basically fought off the cartels (Juarez region).  I never knew Romney has family down there.  Reason Romney's dad never ran for POTUS is because he was born in Mexico.  

So this looks like an extension on the battles going on between what is looking like two cartel groups - one of which are lily-white Mormons, who live (and many were born) in Mexico.  

What's scary is the admission from Ed that the cartels are not "over there" - they are here.  Have been for decades.  In every state.  In most large towns/cities.  To spark a war with them would invoke domestic terrorism on a scale most can't really imagine.  

For those that also just say "legalize drugs".  Fentanyl?  Heroin?  Cocaine?  Meth?  The cartels are do diversified, legalizing drugs would no more disrupt their operations than legalizing gambling would be an "end" to the mafia.  I remember an article a few years back that indicated iron ore & mining makes the cartels more money than drug trafficking.  They are entwined with every facet of the Mexican (and now US) economy.

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20 minutes ago, Moby Ric said:

That would be a cool Netflix series.  If the Mormons had a group like the Jews have the Mossad that went out and did black ops stuff for them.  That is a hit show right there.

It could be entertaining, but I think we'd have to work hard to avoid a very formulaic, paint-by-numbers espionage thriller.  I could see every episode going like this:

Mormon Elder to Agent: "We need to figure out who stole our database of financial contributions, underage brides, and dossier on the Pope." 

Mormon Agent: "I'll need to work my HUMINT networks, follow the cyber trail, and use our new enhanced interrogation techniques." 

Mormon Elder: "Agent, don't forget our tradecraft secret" 

Mormon Agent:  "You seriously want me to take Seer Stones out into the field?"  

Mormon Elder: "It's our faith in Special Agent Smith that got us this far." 

Mormon Agent:  "You're sending me out to fight Anonymous, the ATF, and Opus Dei with a bag of rocks?"  

 

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35 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

For those that also just say "legalize drugs".  Fentanyl?  Heroin?  Cocaine?  Meth?  The cartels are do diversified, legalizing drugs would no more disrupt their operations than legalizing gambling would be an "end" to the mafia.  I remember an article a few years back that indicated iron ore & mining makes the cartels more money than drug trafficking.  They are entwined with every facet of the Mexican (and now US) economy.

They don't even need a business. Simplest thing in the world is to walk down the street taxing all the businesses. You go out of business, skip town, or just make too much money anyway? Well hey, that's their business now.

As nasty as the cartels are, that short little fucker grilling your patty melt at the diner who hasn't been home to see Ama in 10 years who has to grill patty melts in the US to make any money because the zipper factory back home pays a whole $2/hour? He's happy whenever somebody like El Chapo escapes justice. He crows about it. "Mexico, pais de hombres de veras!" He doesn't give a fuck, a gold-plated cartel goon did something daring and made more than patty-melt money.

As for the cartels not shooting up money-making tourist areas, just wait. There is nothing they won't fuck up. Time was when Acapulco was Mexico's show-off gem of international tourism. They fucked that up. Then later Mexico dumped tons of money into Cancun. They'll probably fuck that up too.

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2 hours ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

So any chance the new Mexican president's recent capitulation to the cartels have emboldened them?

Various Bandit Control Methods, as Seen in Mexico:

Spanish Method: Hunt them down, kill/torture them. Didn't work but kept bandits and potential bandits (your own guys) busy.

Early Mexican Method: (I don't know what this was, feel free to make something up.)

Porfiriato Method: Hire the bandits, make them into cops. Makes all bandits disappear, but now you have cops.

Revolutionary Method: Gather up all the bandits, call them an army, attack the Government. Later screw over the bandits.

PRI Method: Farm out bandit concessions to loyal bandits. Not "good", but "less bad" than anything so far. Rejoice and produce millions of golden-age films, public housing, and VW Beetles.

PAN Method: See "Spanish Method".

AMLO Method: "Bandits? What bandits?"

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10 minutes ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

If you think some of these off-brand Mormons like the ones in Sonora have more clout than the cartels, read Don Winslow's border trilogy and report back to me after that. 

 

I know that the Mennonites in northern Chihuahua make kick-ass cheese.  We used to detour down a dirt road to pick some up and smuggle it back in back in the day.  

Now you can buy it at HEB.  And it's fantastic.

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3 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

There was a guy on the JRE ("Eds Manifesto").  Former Mexican federal officer.  Current international security specialist.  He brought these Mormon colonies up a while back (the amount of firepower they had elicited attention from the police).  Said they basically fought off the cartels (Juarez region).  I never knew Romney has family down there.  Reason Romney's dad never ran for POTUS is because he was born in Mexico.  

So this looks like an extension on the battles going on between what is looking like two cartel groups - one of which are lily-white Mormons, who live (and many were born) in Mexico.  

What's scary is the admission from Ed that the cartels are not "over there" - they are here.  Have been for decades.  In every state.  In most large towns/cities.  To spark a war with them would invoke domestic terrorism on a scale most can't really imagine.  

For those that also just say "legalize drugs".  Fentanyl?  Heroin?  Cocaine?  Meth?  The cartels are do diversified, legalizing drugs would no more disrupt their operations than legalizing gambling would be an "end" to the mafia.  I remember an article a few years back that indicated iron ore & mining makes the cartels more money than drug trafficking.  They are entwined with every facet of the Mexican (and now US) economy.

Someone's been watching Better Call Saul.

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3 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

There was a guy on the JRE ("Eds Manifesto").  Former Mexican federal officer.  Current international security specialist.  He brought these Mormon colonies up a while back (the amount of firepower they had elicited attention from the police).  Said they basically fought off the cartels (Juarez region).  I never knew Romney has family down there.  Reason Romney's dad never ran for POTUS is because he was born in Mexico.  

So this looks like an extension on the battles going on between what is looking like two cartel groups - one of which are lily-white Mormons, who live (and many were born) in Mexico.  

What's scary is the admission from Ed that the cartels are not "over there" - they are here.  Have been for decades.  In every state.  In most large towns/cities.  To spark a war with them would invoke domestic terrorism on a scale most can't really imagine.  

For those that also just say "legalize drugs".  Fentanyl?  Heroin?  Cocaine?  Meth?  The cartels are do diversified, legalizing drugs would no more disrupt their operations than legalizing gambling would be an "end" to the mafia.  I remember an article a few years back that indicated iron ore & mining makes the cartels more money than drug trafficking.  They are entwined with every facet of the Mexican (and now US) economy.

Spoiler alert!!! He did run for president. He just lost Nixon during the primaries. 

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4 hours ago, Moby Ric said:

That would be a cool Netflix series.  If the Mormons had a group like the Jews have the Mossad that went out and did black ops stuff for them.  That is a hit show right there.

Two virgin dudes cruising on their bikes in the short sleeves and ties. They roll up to an illustrious cartel mansion. The doorbell rings, "buenos dias senor, may I have a moment of your time discus our lord & savior, Heckler & Koch? 

At that moment the mormons whip out suppressed MP5s and lay waste to everything, clearing the mansion room to room. Killing everything in sight.

 

FUCK YEAH I'd watch that. Where's the crowdfund page?  

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4 hours ago, Moby Ric said:

That would be a cool Netflix series.  If the Mormons had a group like the Jews have the Mossad that went out and did black ops stuff for them.  That is a hit show right there.

The CIA (and FBI) does have a disproportionate number of Mormons in its ranks (apparently their language skills, abstinence, and obedience to authority are A Big Deal).  So the ingredients are there.

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4 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

What's scary is the admission from Ed that the cartels are not "over there" - they are here.  Have been for decades.  In every state.  In most large towns/cities.  To spark a war with them would invoke domestic terrorism on a scale most can't really imagine.  

The very last thing the cartels could ever want, would be an open war with the US.  All those fancy estates, armored vehicles, planes, boats, etc.?  Gone within days.  Want the US border actually shut down?  Would happen pretty quick.

These aren't dudes hiding out in cave complexes in the foothills of the Himalayas.    And unlike the Taliban and Al Qaeda types, their followers aren't of the true believer type - they are bought and paid for.   Their loyalty evaporates the moment the cartels can no longer pay them, provide them women, etc.

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3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

I know that the Mennonites in northern Chihuahua make kick-ass cheese.  We used to detour down a dirt road to pick some up and smuggle it back in back in the day.  

Now you can buy it at HEB.  And it's fantastic.

h-e-b-queso-menonita-002089273.jpg

I wonder how the Mexican Mennonite colonies interact with the Mexican Mormon ones -- both in real life and the proposed Netflix series.

Several years ago, I had a project in Seminole and interacted with some of the Mennonites who moved up there from Mexico en masse in the late 1990s and have now pretty much taken over the town.

On one trip, my boss and I walked into a Mennonite-owned cafe for breakfast, expecting great coffee and pastries. But, nope, it was a barren-looking diner filled with Anglo Mennonite men speaking a combination of English, Plat Deutsch, and Spanish. They went silent and just stared at us shortly after us wandering in. Weird scene.

We did hear rumours that many of the Mennonites were deeply involved in the the importation of drugs from down south as they made frequent visits to their Mexican Mennonite brethren.

Anyway, back to my musings on a Mennonite/Mormon/Mexican gang movie. Sorry for the digression.

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20 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Maybe it’s because I have a kid in middle school and I see all the time how easy it is for otherwise smart kids to make dumb mistakes.

But I’m sure I’m wrong. You clearly have the answer.

This.

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On 11/6/2019 at 12:51 PM, Kavinsky said:

At that moment the mormons whip out suppressed MP5s and lay waste to everything, clearing the mansion room to room. Killing everything in sight.

FUCK YEAH I'd watch that. Where's the crowdfund page?  

Then convert all the corpses !

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On 11/6/2019 at 9:48 AM, BabaYaga said:

The cartels are do diversified, legalizing drugs would no more disrupt their operations than legalizing gambling would be an "end" to the mafia.  

Considering the state of the current “mafia” in this country, is this really your best argument against legalization?

Who cares if they go legit? That’s a win win. Creates jobs, lessens violence, hell we might get one or two versions of a latino Kennedy clan out of it. 

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