Ohio State defensive end Chase Young suspended

[BradInATX 9,208]

44 minutes ago, futureman said:

math bowl ain’t a thing, bro

But you didn't answer my question. Because you know your original point is stupid as hell.

Edited November 8, 2019 by BradInATX

[Tex Long 4,714]

7 minutes ago, Helobious said:

It’s like 28k a year for an out of state student to go to tOSU, about $12k for in state. Over 4 years that’s not really all that close to $200k. 

Does that include room and board, books and supplies, tutors, gym, some walking-around cash... ?

[NeverMarryAStripper 22,396]

I'm almost positive that any player can choose to not play football.  He would then be completely free to profit from his image, accept under the table payments,  have all the no-show jobs he can handle, and accept free flights for him and his family anywhere in the world.

[Helobious 9,843]

Just now, Tex Long said:

Does that include room and board, books and supplies, tutors, gym, some walking-around cash... ?

It does include room & board, & gym access (that’s a fee included in tuition at virtually all colleges). Doesn’t include books, tutoring or “walking around cash” or whatever the fuck you mean by that.

[Parliament 14,646]

Internet scuttlebutt says if he can show the loan was repaid last summer, as he said, a 1 game suspension will suffice. Stay home from the game and focus on getting fresh for the stretch run.

Regarding paying for family members to travel to bowls, Urby was a strong advocate for that. He raised a stink about not being able to comp travel to playoff games and it looks like they fixed at least that.

[Helobious 9,843]

1 minute ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

I'm almost positive that any player can choose to not play football.  He would then be completely free to profit from his image, accept under the table payments,  have all the no-show jobs he can handle, and accept free flights for him and his family anywhere in the world.

It’s pretty appalling that these guys actually want to get money & benefits that people are willing to give them for their skillset. You don’t see kids in the band offering paid music lessons, or smart students trying to get paid for tutoring others. But football players think they’re special. 

[WhatTheBuck 28,959]

2 hours ago, conVINCEd said:

So, the ncaa recently voted that it’s ok for a player to profit from NIL, but is now suspending a player for getting free plane tickets for his family because he’s good at football?

No, the university suspended him and is conducting an investigation. They'll share the results of their investigation with the NCAA. The NCAA hasn't had a hand in this yet beyond the fact that the university is part of the NCAA. 

[futureman 22,759]

21 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

But you didn't answer my question. Because you know your original point is stupid as hell.

you’re stupid as hell for opposing my point. 

[NeverMarryAStripper 22,396]

9 minutes ago, Helobious said:

It’s pretty appalling that these guys actually want to get money & benefits that people are willing to give them for their skillset. You don’t see kids in the band offering paid music lessons, or smart students trying to get paid for tutoring others. But football players think they’re special. 

Yeah, those band members should just be happy with their own dorms with a private cafeteria and nutritionist and the fact that the entire band is on full scholarship, including tutors to make sure they don't fail.

[Pato del Muerto 53,655]

2 hours ago, texifornia said:

 

Well then there must be documentation of the loan and repayment. 

If there’s no documentation then it never happened and if there is, then it’s legit. 

so what the problem is?

[woohorn 1,131]

I figured family/friends could deal normally with SAs and NCAA only kicks in for "boosters". Is that generally correct?

[Helobious 9,843]

13 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

Yeah, those band members should just be happy with their own dorms with a private cafeteria and nutritionist and the fact that the entire band is on full scholarship, including tutors to make sure they don't fail.

Demand for band members isn’t just high enough to warrant any of that. Don’t hate on capitalism.

Also no football team has every player on scholarship. 

[JBJ 3,830]

8 minutes ago, woohorn said:

I figured family/friends could deal normally with SAs and NCAA only kicks in for "boosters". Is that generally correct?

Yes.  Anyone you have already connected to for "non-football" reasons is fair game to support you.

So like Quentin Jammer could give Quandre a car and fly their family to any game ever.

[stork642 4,511]

48 minutes ago, Parliament said:

Internet scuttlebutt says if he can show the loan was repaid last summer, as he said, a 1 game suspension will suffice. Stay home from the game and focus on getting fresh for the stretch run.

Regarding paying for family members to travel to bowls, Urby was a strong advocate for that. He raised a stink about not being able to comp travel to playoff games and it looks like they fixed at least that.

Too bad Urbs didn’t raise a stink about the wife beater he had on his coaching staff.  

Edited November 8, 2019 by stork642

[PittsburghTiger 6,458]

3 hours ago, irishtexan said:

Good god almighty. That greedy sumbitch accepted illegal money so his parents could fly to see him play in a football game for which the University that he plays for - for free - was paid multiple millions of dollars. What a fucking piece of shit!

I wonder how many NCAA officials flew from the headquarters in Indianapolis to that Rose Bowl, and the NCAA paid for their flights.

[Agent 13 319]

1 hour ago, Sbbruin said:

Yes.  So another reason for SC to hire him.  If they sell their soul and hire him anyway, that will say a lot about a morally bankrupt university.

So true, but not everybody can hire upstanding citizens like Chip Kelly!

[Sbbruin 22,196]

1 minute ago, Agent 13 said:

So true, but not everybody can hire upstanding citizens like Chip Kelly!

Props for Agent 13.  So awesome the places he would hide.

[ChiTownDoc 21,363]

49 minutes ago, Helobious said:

It’s pretty appalling that these guys actually want to get money & benefits that people are willing to give them for their skillset. You don’t see kids in the band offering paid music lessons, or smart students trying to get paid for tutoring others. But football players think they’re special. 

And the coaches get 10M contracts.  Fuck the free education BS.  Let them get paid.  Also those ‘academic’ advisors encourage total BS majors that would never lead to real jobs anyway.  It’s a scam to make money off mostly poor black kids.  

Edited November 8, 2019 by ChiTownDoc

[ztejas 44,328]

3 hours ago, texifornia said:

 

Did he repay the bagman through another bagman? Ponzi scheme style? 

[Tex Long 4,714]

 

11 minutes ago, Helobious said:

It does include room & board, & gym access (that’s a fee included in tuition at virtually all colleges). Doesn’t include books, tutoring or “walking around cash” or whatever the fuck you mean by that.

"Whatever the fuck you mean by that"??? Are you being disingenuous, or do you really not understand? 

Never mind, because OSU itself says in-state expenses are around $28K and out-of-state are $46K. So from $112K to $184K, mas o menos, and including books/supplies but not including tutoring or any other costs/expenses (movies, concerts, snacks/meals out...).

All those things considered, I'd say "up to around $200K" is a decent estimate.

The actual dollar amount is not really the point, though, is it? Leastways, it seems that the real argument revolves around whether "payment" is reserved for dollar transactions with government-approved paperwork, with a somewhat nebulous differentiation between "permissible" and "impermissible" transactions.

The whole fucking mess of NCAA rules seems to have originated from the idea of a "level playing field" being necessary to prevent wealthy schools from dominating various sports by simply paying players who (mostly) pretend to be real students. If the rules were strictly enforced, it looks like almost all FBS schools would be on probation - but there is no such strict enforcement. I personally give no fucks whatever - do away with that bullshit, let everybody pay players whatever they wish, let the players play as long as they want and can. I'm not 100% certain a nanofuck is to be given about whether they're even students or no.

Let there be ENTERTAINMENT. Are you not entertained? 

[alincoln 2,391]

At least 50% (and that is a very conservative estimate) of the guys who get full rides to play football at Ohio State, Texas and the like are simply incapable of taking advantage of the educational opportunities offered by those universities, particularly given the time commitment associated with playing D-1 football.  

[Helobious 9,843]

11 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

 

"Whatever the fuck you mean by that"??? Are you being disingenuous, or do you really not understand? 

Never mind, because OSU itself says in-state expenses are around $28K and out-of-state are $46K. So from $112K to $184K, mas o menos, and including books/supplies but not including tutoring or any other costs/expenses (movies, concerts, snacks/meals out...).

All those things considered, I'd say "up to around $200K" is a decent estimate.

The actual dollar amount is not really the point, though, is it? Leastways, it seems that the real argument revolves around whether "payment" is reserved for dollar transactions with government-approved paperwork, with a somewhat nebulous differentiation between "permissible" and "impermissible" transactions.

The whole fucking mess of NCAA rules seems to have originated from the idea of a "level playing field" being necessary to prevent wealthy schools from dominating various sports by simply paying players who (mostly) pretend to be real students. If the rules were strictly enforced, it looks like almost all FBS schools would be on probation - but there is no such strict enforcement. I personally give no fucks whatever - do away with that bullshit, let everybody pay players whatever they wish, let the players play as long as they want and can. I'm not 100% certain a nanofuck is to be given about whether they're even students or no.

Let there be ENTERTAINMENT. Are you not entertained? 

Not sure how you define expenses. I looked on their website & got $12k & 28k for tuition & room and board. I feel like anything outside of that can be (somewhat) controlled by the individual. I don’t think public schools in Ohio should even charge out of state students more money. They should be grateful for folks coming into that shithole.

[Gene Parmesan 4,116]

8 minutes ago, alincoln said:

At least 50% (and that is a very conservative estimate) of the guys who get full rides to play football at Ohio State, Texas and the like are simply incapable of taking advantage of the educational opportunities offered by those universities, particularly given the time commitment associated with playing D-1 football.  

Can you list the 42+ players on the Texas roster that you think are too stupid to be able to gain anything from an education?

[DaysOff 8,252]

Let there be ENTERTAINMENT. Are you not entertained?

I'd like to win a lot more and get some stops on defense to be entertained. I mainly just scream at the tv.

[clapclapclap 9,000]

Who loaned him the money?  Erica Ciaramella?

Who notified the NCAA?  Eric Ciaramella?

Who leaked the story?  Erika Ciaramella?

ECK5H?

Edited November 8, 2019 by clapclapclap
Maybe someone can ask this on Facebook so we can get answers?

[Tex Long 4,714]

7 minutes ago, DaysOff said:

Let there be ENTERTAINMENT. Are you not entertained?

I'd like to win a lot more and get some stops on defense to be entertained. I mainly just scream at the tv.

Were you not entertained by the Wols and the Fightin' Charlies? I was.

[Dennis Taylor 19,423]

3 hours ago, TXSooner518 said:

And you can't exchange those goods and services for things like food or entertainment or family medical bills or plane tickets for your family to watch you play in the Rose Bowl. Those things require cash.

 

56 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

And the coaches get 10M contracts.  Fuck the free education BS.  Let them get paid.  Also those ‘academic’ advisors encourage total BS majors that would never lead to real jobs anyway.  It’s a scam to make money off mostly poor black kids.  

Sooner fans being OK with improper benefits is very 'on brand'

[alincoln 2,391]

26 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:

Can you list the 42+ players on the Texas roster that you think are too stupid to be able to gain anything from an education?

Well over 50% of the players on the roster who receive full scholarships of of HS will either never graduate or will graduate with a completely worthless degree in a major that the football program and AD developed specifically for athletes in revenue sports to avoid APR penalties.  A shadow university consisting of "academic advisors," "tutors," and bullshit classes and majors exists at every Power 5 school to preserve the illusion of scholar athletes in revenue generating D-1 sports.  

Some of the players do lack the intelligence to succeed academically at a university the caliber of UT.  Many others lack the requisite preparation and academic development.  Many others aren't at Texas to play school.   

[ChiTownDoc 21,363]

3 minutes ago, Dennis Taylor said:

 

Sooner fans being OK with improper benefits is very 'on brand'

Keep up that holier than thou shit.  If paying poor black kids to play football and win games is wrong...I’m ok not being right.  
 

I deal with people dying on a daily basis.  I’ll save my worrying for shit that matters.  

[Dennis Taylor 19,423]

Just now, ChiTownDoc said:

Keep up that holier than thou shit.  If paying poor black kids to play football and win games is wrong...I’m ok not being right.  
 

I deal with people dying on a daily basis.  I’ll save my worrying for shit that matters.  

so, only if they are really really good at football then? 

[ChiTownDoc 21,363]

1 minute ago, Dennis Taylor said:

so, only if they are really really good at football then? 

The better ones get paid more.  Kind of how the world works, champ.  

Edited November 8, 2019 by ChiTownDoc
<pats Dennis on the head>

[JBJ 3,830]

 

39 minutes ago, Helobious said:

tuition & room and board

D1 scholarships are full cost of attendence plus stipend.

It's closer to $300,000.

[clapclapclap 9,000]

6 minutes ago, alincoln said:

Well over 50% of the players on the roster who receive full scholarships of of HS will either never graduate or will graduate with a completely worthless degree in a major that the football program and AD developed specifically for athletes in revenue sports to avoid APR penalties.  A shadow university consisting of "academic advisors," "tutors," and bullshit classes and majors exists at every Power 5 school to preserve the illusion of scholar athletes in revenue generating D-1 sports.  

Some of the players do lack the intelligence to succeed academically at a university the caliber of UT.  Many others lack the requisite preparation and academic development.  Many others aren't at Texas to play school.   

[Dark Horse 2,436]

Typical boomers want to hoard all the money for themselves. Sorry you can’t exploit free labor anymore enrich yourselves.

Why Texas fans would give a fuck is beyond me. Were like the Yankees arguing for a hard salary cap.

[Mileslong 4,815]

Internet scuttlebutt says if he can show the loan was repaid last summer, as he said, a 1 game suspension will suffice. Stay home from the game and focus on getting fresh for the stretch run.

Regarding paying for family members to travel to bowls, Urby was a strong advocate for that. He raised a stink about not being able to comp travel to playoff games and it looks like they fixed at least that.

Of course then he would have to show where he came up with the money to pay the loan back which would undoubtedly lead down another ineligible path

[Tex Pete 21,565]

5 hours ago, irishtexan said:

Good god almighty. That greedy sumbitch accepted illegal money so his parents could fly to see him play in a football game for which the University that he plays for - for free - was paid multiple millions of dollars. What a fucking piece of shit!

What else did he take money for?

[irishtexan 11,712]

How fortunate for OSU that this came to light the week of their game against Maryland that he can get his one game suspension served, and that it didn't go public the next week for their game against undefeated Penn State. Just a very fortunate coincidence.

[Helobious 9,843]

17 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

How fortunate for OSU that this came to light the week of their game against Maryland that he can get his one game suspension served, and that it didn't go public the next week for their game against undefeated Penn State. Just a very fortunate coincidence.

They could suspend every starter for the Michigan game & still win by 3 tds. Expect new shit to come to light that week too 

[Parliament 14,646]

How fortunate for OSU that this came to light the week of their game against Maryland that he can get his one game suspension served, and that it didn't go public the next week for their game against undefeated Penn State. Just a very fortunate coincidence.

God works in wonderous ways. #blessed

[mulletpelini 5,230]

Jesus this kid was stupid.

 

 

 

 

 

Had he gone to play in the SEC at say, Auburn, he'd be good for up to 180k without missing a game.

[BabaYaga 15,672]

3 hours ago, Gene Parmesan said:

Can you list the 42+ players on the Texas roster that you think are too stupid to be able to gain anything from an education?

Can we start with assistant and position coaches.....

[Armybrat 41,539]

5 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Mustard>Mayo

Miracle Whip ftw

[hornhorn 100]

12 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Can we start with assistant and position coaches.....

This made me LOL. 

[TXSooner518 2,455]

Sooner fans being OK with improper benefits is very 'on brand'

Ha I’m surprised it took this long. That said, I didn’t say I’m ok with it, but I understand. The scholarship, while valuable, doesn’t do you any good when your mom is being evicted or you need to travel home for a funeral or your family wants to watch you play in one of the most historic venues in college football. You can’t get that back in the future.

[ztejas 44,328]

4 hours ago, Helobious said:

They could suspend every starter for the Michigan game & still win by 3 tds

[futureman 22,759]

8 hours ago, BigHorn'13 said:

Nope and they can work, too. 

kids on athletic scholarships can work

[Helobious 9,843]

8 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Have you kept up with that rivalry? tOSU would have a 15 year win streak if not for that weird 2011 post-probation game. It’s a mental thing. Michigan sees those leaf stickers and goes into pantshit mode. They won’t beat Ohio State for a very long time, doesn’t matter who’s playing for them.

[Treefidy 1,507]

8 hours ago, Tex Long said:

Both, more better: "Ham and Swiss, Emmenthaler if you have it. On sourdough. Mayo on the cheese side, mustard on the ham side. Here's a twenty, put that sandwich on the table in less than five minutes and keep the change."

If you pay $20 for a sammich, how much do you have to pay for sex?  

[ztejas 44,328]

2 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Have you kept up with that rivalry? tOSU would have a 15 year win streak if not for that weird 2011 post-probation game. It’s a mental thing. Michigan sees those leaf stickers and goes into pantshit mode. They won’t beat Ohio State for a very long time, doesn’t matter who’s playing for them.

Yes I've kept up with it. tOSU owns them but they've played quite a few close games over that stretch. I don't think tOSU missing all of their starters would be good for their chances in continuing that domination. 

Then again I think Michigan has a shot this year anyway, and have felt that for awhile, but that's just a weird gut feeling I have. 

[Helobious 9,843]

17 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Then again I think Michigan has a shot this year anyway, and have felt that for awhile, but that's just a weird gut feeling I have. 

Yeah well I wouldn’t bet on it. And I mean literally, don’t bet on michigan to win. You will lose money. If the spread is less than a TD I wouldn’t bet on them to even cover. They match up horribly with the buckeyes this year.