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[Uncle Nate 2097]

25 minutes ago, SwanderedTalent said:

not sure what the right punishment is for Garrett, but A&M should definitely get the death penalty

I don't care what your stance is on other positions, but if you were to run for President of these United States, I would vote for you for this reason alone.

[Doc Reeves 6434]

45 minutes ago, EZ$ said:

Garrett, Manziel, the Bennett brothers, the dude who machete’d a jogger to death....guess these guys missed fish camp. 

To be fair, Johnson missed fish camp because he was at UT...

[BigVegasHorn26 630]

 

12 minutes ago, Doc Reeves said:

Really??

 

hmmmm...

 

Yep, Garrett should probably dose down on his PEDs.  

[Underdog 28460]

10 minutes ago, Drew said:

Man I am in no way a fan or Hot Takes or screaming A Smith in any way.

But got respect for him this morning for strait trashing Garrett. Also the way he just eviscerated Max Kellerman for trying to justify what Miles did was a thing of beauty.

Both he and Louis Riddick were disgusted with Max. Great thing to see.

But it's cute you think that shit is spontaneous. 

[Iceman 2648]

1 hour ago, Deej said:

I get that, but it's a bit disingenuous for someone to claim he has shown no proclivity towards being a hothead. 

Absolutely.  I wasn’t trying to defend Garrett. I was just saying that technically, the talking head was not incorrect.

Dude has been pushing the limit/ crossing the line  and getting away with it. 

[The Golden Hat 299]

16 minutes ago, Drew said:

Man I am in no way a fan or Hot Takes or screaming A Smith in any way.

But got respect for him this morning for strait trashing Garrett. Also the way he just eviscerated Max Kellerman for trying to justify what Miles did was a thing of beauty.

Both he and Louis Riddick were disgusted with Max. Great thing to see.

They do good cop/bad cop on every topic. It’s kind of their whole thing

[Brian Fantana 6668]

Just now, The Golden Hat said:

They do good cop/bad cop on every topic. It’s kind of their whole thing

ITT people who don't understand the concept of Devil's Advocate

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13010]

36 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It’s assault but criminally charging a football player for hitting another football player in the head with a helmet during a game sets a really bad precedent.  We watch football, boxing, and MMA because they assault each other.  Keeping the discipline out of the hands of law enforcement is really for the best. 

I disagree, in certain situations. First, I watch football for actions confined within the rules of the game. Second, earlier this season at a local middle school football game, a large player picked up a smaller kid and pile drove him into the turf after the play was over. The kid is now paralyzed due to an assault which occurred on the football field, but not during the course or rules of the game. I don’t think keeping these types of incidents out of law enforcement’s hands is always best.

[Chooky 13302]

48 minutes ago, RamjetFDO said:

(oh, and Bert)

[Underdog 28460]

11 minutes ago, Casual Encounter said:

I disagree, in certain situations. First, I watch football for actions confined within the rules of the game. Second, earlier this season at a local middle school football game, a large player picked up a smaller kid and pile drove him into the turf after the play was over. The kid is now paralyzed due to an assault which occurred on the football field, but not during the course or rules of the game. I don’t think keeping these types of incidents out of law enforcement’s hands is always best.

It's like the player from the other night doing a cheap shot from behind on an opposing player who was down on his knees, kid should be kicked off the team for his actions, imo.  Be allowed to stay on scholarship(coaches/school decision) to finish up education.  But never allowed to play another down of CFB. 

[Gene Parmesan 3993]

What is the precedent for legal action from on field/court/ice actions?

[DanTheHorn 4902]

Was it just me or was anyone else's first reaction to think the highlight of the brawl was going to make a great negged GIF in the future. Second that I was not surprised since it was an aggy and they have been known to protect their turf with swords. Third, it was hard to feel bad for Rudolph since he is a Steeler. Steelers in their own right have been known to act as ass-hats themselves, especially against Colt McCoy and get away with it. I mean if Mason lets it go he does not put himself in harms way. Instead he charges in like an idiot without a helmet. Last was to think that could have had a really bad outcome and the NFL will need to come down hard on everyone but most severely on Garret. Clearly I have been around you folks way to long.

P.S. I did not watch things live. I saw the highlight after knowing a brawl had happened, maybe that is why I reacted the way I did to the highlight.

Edited November 15, 2019 by DanTheHorn

[The Maestro 749]

Too bad Garrett didn’t hit Mayfield in the head with a helmet

[Wally Pryor 5245]

 

Except earlier this season when he punched Delanie Walker after the whistle.  And earlier this season when he ended Trevor Siemian's season on a late hit. 

 

 

[heso 2752]

13 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:

What is the precedent for legal action from on field/court/ice actions?

Seems that 

 

7 minutes ago, Wally Pryor said:

 

Except earlier this season when he punched Delanie Walker after the whistle.  And earlier this season when he ended Trevor Siemian's season on a late hit. 

 

 

Yea but if there’s any possibility for something to be made racial, you can count on Josina to take it there. 

[TexArcher 37541]

21 minutes ago, Wally Pryor said:

Fun fact: When you see a black person assault a white person and you assume the white person said "something egregious" to cause it, you're the racist.

Another fun fact: there isn't any word in the English language, even the N word, that makes it okay for the recipient to assault you.  I thought we covered this in kindergarten?

Fuck Josina Anderson.

Edited November 15, 2019 by TexArcher

[Underdog 28460]

2 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

Fuck Josina Anderson.

Yes, please.  

Where do I line up? 

[T&T’s Dad 32]

3 hours ago, heso said:

The takes in this thread are something else:
 

https://texags.com/forums/5/topics/3075871

 

Holy fuck...the cognitive dissonance in that thread is monumental.  The guy who says that Rudolph and Pouncey would be arrested if this was a real case in court...  i just, have, no, words...

The mental gymnastics to twist that into anything other than Garret needs a suspension for the rest of the year...my brain does not comprehend...

[Radical Larry 28529]

[Trey3216 15325]

MG suspended indefinitely 

[Fuck Tim Beck 3806]

26 minutes ago, heso said:

Seems that 

 

Yea but if there’s any possibility for something to be made racial, you can count on Josina to take it there. 

Yep. She's just the next bitch up after that other crazy, racist  ho. 

Edited November 15, 2019 by Fuck Tim Beck

[Js1 85143]

 

[Mitch Cumsteen 18525]

First off, Mason Rudolph is a bonafide idiot. I can't remember a QB ever going after a defensive lineman like that. That was monumentally stupid. As the great Russell Ziskey put it, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." Probably not a great idea to go after a defensive end who outweighs you by at least 50 lbs while he is laying on top of you. Rudolph clearly has rocks for brains, which ironically probably served to protect him. But make no mistake, he is a fucking dipshit.

That said, Myles Garrett makes Mason Rudolph look like Einstein in comparison. How in a million years could that ever happen on a football field? Throw a punch at someone while they are wearing a helmet? Sure, it's stupid and you're more likely to hurt yourself, but it happens all the time. Make a dirty play at the bottom of the pile? Yeah, not something you want to see but ultimately part of the game. Late hit the quarterback? Apparently, that just didn't move the needle enough for Myles. Ripping off a guy's helmet? I can almost see that as a retaliation for what Rudolph was trying to do to him. It's idiotic and out of line, but I can at least understand it somewhat from an eye for an eye perspective. But trying to smash the guy's unprotected skull with what amounts to a weapon? That move was borderline sociopathic. He needs to be gone at a minimum for the rest of the season. I wouldn't be surprised if it's longer. There isn't any place in the game for that kind of violence. There's a ton of other places in the game for lots of different types of violence, which you would think to be enough for anybody, but that sure as shit isn't one of them.

[Wally Pryor 5245]

Pouncey gone for 3 games? 

Wow.

[Guest Lobo]

That browns lineman should get more time than the Pouncey guy.  That doesn't add up.  He purposely targeted the one guy on the field who was the most vulnerable (hint---the guy you just saw just bashed in the skull with a helmet) and pummeled him back to the ground.  That was the second worst hit in the whole thing, what not Pouncey did.  

Anyway, fucking Aggies.  Was there one other A&M grad there in the stadium/sidelines so they can claim this as a tradition now?  

They have no business living among us, you ask me.

[Deej 76585]

1 hour ago, Iceman said:

Dude has been pushing the limit/ crossing the line  and getting away with it. 

The entire team seems to be, judging by the personal fouls this year. Those two targeting calls were sickening last night. 

[Wally Pryor 5245]

2 minutes ago, Deej said:

The entire team seems to be, judging by the personal fouls this year. Those two targeting calls were sickening last night. 

They're coached by Freddie Kitchens.   A guy who has no business being an NFL head coach. 

Expecting anything less?

[Underdog 28460]

I'll be surprised if Pouncey's doesn't get dwindled down to 1 game.  

[heso 2752]

2 minutes ago, Underdog said:

I'll be surprised if Pouncey's doesn't get dwindled down to 1 game.  

Maybe to 2, but I don’t see him playing in the browns game in 2 weeks. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23364]

1 hour ago, Casual Encounter said:

I don’t think keeping these types of incidents out of law enforcement’s hands is always best.

Depends on what you hope to accomplish with law enforcement.  If the crime is so egregious that appropriate disciplinary action is beyond the normal mechanisms, then yes, there is a role for law enforcement. 

In the case of an NFL player hitting another player with a helmet, I think the league can handle it without calling the cops. 

[Beau Vine 54013]

1 hour ago, Drew said:

Man I am in no way a fan or Hot Takes or screaming A Smith in any way.

But got respect for him this morning for strait trashing Garrett. Also the way he just eviscerated Max Kellerman for trying to justify what Miles did was a thing of beauty.

Both he and Louis Riddick were disgusted with Max. Great thing to see.

You realize they were working off a script, right?  Kellerman was just playing a role in a scene.

[Beau Vine 54013]

18 minutes ago, Js1 said:

 

Not a fucking dime of Pouncey's fine is going to come out of his pocket.

[GTX Horn 1707]

11 minutes ago, Wally Pryor said:

They're coached by Freddie Kitchens.   A guy who has no business being an NFL head coach. 

Expecting anything less?

Actual exchange from yesterday's post-game presser:

Reporter: "Do you think there is a systemic problem on your team?"

Kitchens: "I'm not smart enough to understand what you said."

[Sbbruin 21746]

1 minute ago, GTX Horn said:

Actual exchange from yesterday's post-game presser:

Reporter: "Do you think there is a systemic problem on your team?"

Kitchens: "I'm not smart enough to understand what you said."

[Underdog 28460]

I caught that...  hilarious.  At least he's up front and honest about himself. 

[Beau Vine 54013]

3 minutes ago, GTX Horn said:

Actual exchange from yesterday's post-game presser:

Reporter: "Do you think there is a systemic problem on your team?"

Kitchens: "I'm not smart enough to understand what you said."

I actually liked that, especially when he followed up with "Just ask me what you really want to ask me."

Edited November 15, 2019 by Beau Vine

[Wally Pryor 5245]

4 minutes ago, GTX Horn said:

Actual exchange from yesterday's post-game presser:

Reporter: "Do you think there is a systemic problem on your team?"

Kitchens: "I'm not smart enough to understand what you said."

Yeah, his presser was a gem.

[Wally Pryor 5245]

4 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Not a fucking dime of Pouncey's fine is going to come out of his pocket.

Correct.  But bigger issue is that he's one of their best players. Guessing Pouncey's suspension gets reduced to one game. 

[JBJ 3649]

Pouncey came in late swinging his fists and kicking Garrett on the ground.  3 games is justified.  

Whoever was the other lineman, who wrestled Garrett to the ground and held him there, was doing the right thing - Pouncey wasn't.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23364]

5 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

Getting your helmet ripped off and bashed in the head with it is completely outside the scope of the sport and could easily and justifiably be punished as a criminal act.

I don’t disagree but it in this specific case, I don’t think criminal charges are appropriate.  If Garrett was clearly trying to kill the guy it would obviously be a different story.  

[Deej 76585]

4 minutes ago, JBJ said:

Pouncey came in late swinging his fists and kicking Garrett on the ground.  3 games is justified.  

Whoever was the other lineman, who wrestled Garrett to the ground and held him there, was doing the right thing - Pouncey wasn't.

Pouncey:

[Underdog 28460]

"That's my quarterback."

[Dirk X West 772]

11 minutes ago, GTX Horn said:

Actual exchange from yesterday's post-game presser:

Reporter: "Do you think there is a systemic problem on your team?"

Kitchens: "I'm not smart enough to understand what you said."

 

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13010]

14 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Depends on what you hope to accomplish with law enforcement.  If the crime is so egregious that appropriate disciplinary action is beyond the normal mechanisms, then yes, there is a role for law enforcement. 

In the case of an NFL player hitting another player with a helmet, I think the league can handle it without calling the cops. 

If your coworker picks up a a coffee pot and smashes it over your head, that could be handled internally as well. With stupid takes like this, I’d keep my head on a swivel if I were you. If it does happen, hopefully the person is only sent home for a few days and possibly a reduction in pay, in accordance with your line of thinking.

[Pancho 44528]

46 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

Fun fact: When you see a black person assault a white person and you assume the white person said "something egregious" to cause it, you're the racist.

Another fun fact: there isn't any word in the English language, even the N word, that makes it okay for the recipient to assault you.  I thought we covered this in kindergarten?

Fuck Josina Anderson.

 

Meh.  My first thought was that he said something like the n-word to set off Garrett. 

Then my next immediate thought was "or, Garrett is just a fucking idiot and went hood on someone when he shouldn't have because dat nigga cray."

 

I'm staying with my 2nd thought. 

[Burt Macklin 19000]

26 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Depends on what you hope to accomplish with law enforcement.  If the crime is so egregious that appropriate disciplinary action is beyond the normal mechanisms, then yes, there is a role for law enforcement. 

In the case of an NFL player hitting another player with a helmet, I think the league can handle it without calling the cops. 

The NFL isn't actually the one who decides whether the cops get involved.

9 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I don’t disagree but it in this specific case, I don’t think criminal charges are appropriate.  If Garrett was clearly trying to kill the guy it would obviously be a different story.  

So the NFL can handle its own criminal punishment up and until the point of attempted murder? Seems like a very well-reasoned and logical bright line rule you've created here. 

[bluto 4895]

The funny part to me was after MR got conked then cheap shotted, he’s on the ground and one of his own OL accidentally put a knee/thigh right into his melon as he rushed by to get into the scuffle.

[gmr548 16531]

It'll be the six game season-ending suspension and a significant fine for Garrett. There will be no appeal because that's probably getting off light. I doubt any charges are actually pressed even though you can obviously make a pretty strong case for assault.

The one think I'm absolutely sure of is that when MG steps on the field at Pittsburgh next year he is going to be on the receiving end of multiple personal fouls. Steelers OL will be trying to hurt him and not trying to hide it. And no one's going to care.

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[conVINCEd 21468]

I wouldn’t want Pouncey pissed at me.  Hie was tight with Aaron Hernandez.

[Jhawk 1075]

All you need to know about the browns and their lack of success is embodied from top to bottom with their actions and comments. Jimmy haslam came out and said “we accept the NFLs punishment.” The team isn’t punishing anyone for shit. Fans throw something on the field, show their tits, fight in the stands, or shine a laser pointer and they are banned from all stadiums for life. 

A real leader would walk into the locker room and cut Garrett within 5 minutes of the game ending. With everyone in the room. The next day he would call up his GM and head coach and say “clearly you two have no control of this team, which is why the best roster we’ve had in 30 years is under performing. You’re both fired.” Then to make sure you get your point across you ban Garrett from any property owned by the haslam family, for life. If the ravens pick him up next year then he isn’t going to be playing in the game at Cleveland. Fuck him. 

The organization is a joke because everyone from the top down is impotent by choice or by direction. I know Cowher would never take the offer but you call him up and pay him $10-12M a year to clean up the mess. You bring in someone who is well respected and doesn’t take no shit to be the GM and assist cowher. You look every player in the eye and tell them if they don’t like your actions they can be cut today. Action starts tomorrow. Either come ready to play like a grown man or get the fuck out. 

What a great opportunity to lead and change a complete organization. Just to be wasted by the browns owner. Pathetic.