TNF: Steelers @ Browns

[Deej 77672]

13 minutes ago, Walden Ponderer said:

Well, to be fair to him, as an aggy playing in Cleveland, he doesn't exactly know how to behave when you're winning.

Point taken. 

[Huckleberry 34407]

9 minutes ago, kevwun said:

If Garret had pushed him and took a swing at him, this would have been a non-issue.  He sort of made Rudolph the victim when he tried to kill him with his own helmet.

Exactly. Garrett got away with a dirty late hit, Rudolph was frustrated by that and his shitty play and instigated a confrontation, then Garrett tried to kill him with a helmet. 

If Garrett just took a swing at him nobody would be saying he should be suspended for the season. People acting like trying to take a helmet off to fight and wielding it as a weapon are anywhere near each other in severity are just being morons. 

[Horn80 6313]

Garret should be banned from NFL and the local DA files charges against his sorry ass.

[RPM 26562]

So the big question is does this affect Cleveland's Super Bowl run?

[shakahorn 1655]

2 minutes ago, RPM said:

So the big question is does this affect Cleveland's Super Bowl run?

Ann Margret is not coming.

['stache 22117]

9 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Exactly. Garrett got away with a dirty late hit, Rudolph was frustrated by that and his shitty play and instigated a confrontation, then Garrett tried to kill him with a helmet. 

If Garrett just took a swing at him nobody would be saying he should be suspended for the season. People acting like trying to take a helmet off to fight and wielding it as a weapon are anywhere near each other in severity are just being morons. 

This. I still looks to me like Rudolph's hand was stuck in Garrett's chinstrap or facemask, but I would have been okay with a game for Rudolph. Everything up to the helmet swing was consistent with football brawl. A game or two for each at most. The only people I'm seeing badmouthing Rudolph are aggys and Baker fanbois (i.e., most OU trash fans who hate Rudolph anyways 'cause college). There are probably some ordinary wannabe tough guys who also are on that side, but they too are worthless human garbage.

[Underdog 29103]

7 minutes ago, shakahorn said:

Ann Margret is not coming.

Well, not with that attitude she's not. 

[Macanudo 13256]

17 minutes ago, shakahorn said:

Ann Margret is not coming.

Joker, I want you to get straight up to Phu Bai.  Captain January will need all his men.

Edited November 15, 2019 by Macanudo

[Pimphand 6266]

I think the NFL got this right.... Suspended for the rest of 2019 with no cap on 2020 only that he must file for reinstatement.

[Pato del Muerto 53333]

2 hours ago, Fuck Tim Beck said:

The gratuitous apostrophes would be a great band name 

The gratuitous apostrophe’s would be a better band name. 

[runthebone 8322]

2 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

The gratuitous apostrophe’s would be a better band name. 

You nail'd it

 

I know, it's not gratuitous, but I got caught up in Duck fever.

[Fuck Tim Beck 3892]

3 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

The gratuitous apostrophe’s would be a better band name. 

Touche 

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

Garrett got everything he deserved. But the fact that Pouncey got 3 games and Rudolph got nothing is just ridiculous. The NFL cares more about the optics of the situation, and the fact that this is on good morning America and CNN/Fox News. They don’t care about how it actually started. Rudolph should’ve gotten at least 1 or 2 games. Pouncey did EXACTLY what anyone in his situation should’ve done. 

[Deej 77672]

9 minutes ago, youdunnf'dup said:

hey don’t care about how it actually started. 

It started with Garrett body slamming Rudolph well after the ball was released on a meaningless play to end the game. Apparently, you don't care how it actually started. 

[Wally Pryor 5388]

11 minutes ago, youdunnf'dup said:

Garrett got everything he deserved. But the fact that Pouncey got 3 games and Rudolph got nothing is just ridiculous. The NFL cares more about the optics of the situation, and the fact that this is on good morning America and CNN/Fox News. They don’t care about how it actually started. Rudolph should’ve gotten at least 1 or 2 games. Pouncey did EXACTLY what anyone in his situation should’ve done. 

Rudolph, 1 or 2 games, for not starting it? 

Lulz.

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

31 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

The "gratuitous apostrophe’s" would be a "better" band name. 

FIFY.

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

14 minutes ago, Deej said:

It started with Garrett body slamming Rudolph well after the ball was released on a meaningless play to end the game. Apparently, you don't care how it actually started. 

 

12 minutes ago, Wally Pryor said:

Rudolph, 1 or 2 games, for not starting it? 

Lulz.

That’s fair. I guess I felt like the body slamming after the play could’ve been argued as a dirty football play and could’ve gotten a 15 yard penalty and a fine. Seemed like Rudolph escalated the situation by not letting the refs take it from there. Because seriously, what are you going to do Rudolph lol? 
 

I get y’all’s point though. Don’t completely agree with it, but it makes sense. 1 to 2 games might be excessive. I’ll admit that 

Edited November 15, 2019 by youdunnf'dup

[HoustonHorn 1063]

Death row for Garrett

Life in prison for Pouncy

Rudolph is banned from the NFL for life

[Message Board User 12405]

And how do you know that Garrett wasn't just trying to help Rudolph put his helmet back on?

[Underdog 29103]

3 minutes ago, HoustonHorn said:

Rudolph is banned from the NFL for life

Probably wouldn't get too much of an argument from Steeler fans on this, especially after last nights performance. 

[AUinHsv 583]

Kinda surprised no one on TV or radio mentioned this - but it has been 50 years. Juan Marichal hit two Dodgers as a pitcher and then while at bat turned and started hitting the Dodger catcher - John Roseboro over the head with his bat. One of the few things I could think of that was close - using a weapon during a game.    Poor quality but there wasn't a lot of video back then

 

 

Edited November 15, 2019 by AUinHsv

[Deej 77672]

9 minutes ago, youdunnf'dup said:

 

That’s fair. I guess I felt like the body slamming after the play could’ve been argued as a dirty football play and could’ve gotten a 15 yard penalty and a fine. Seemed like Rudolph escalated the situation by not letting the refs take it from there. Because seriously, what are you going to do Rudolph lol? 
 

I get y’all’s point though. Don’t completely agree with it, but it makes sense. 1 to 2 games might be excessive. I’ll admit that 

I'm just guessing there is nothing for Rudolph to get upset about if he isn't roughed on the play. I just didn't understand the point of that tackle. Game was over and I feel like he was just trying to hurt the guy. Obviously Rudolph felt the same. And what point is a 15 yard penalty with time expired? Garrett had to know he was getting a free shot.

Edited November 15, 2019 by Deej

[ChiTownDoc 21325]

9 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

And how do you know that Garrett wasn't just trying to help Rudolph put his helmet back on?

I laughed.  

[gecko 1104]

https://twitter.com/BoSnerdley/status/1195455703500148744?s=20

Garrett is done

Edited November 15, 2019 by gecko

[NeverMarryAStripper 22241]

He'll be working at Popeyes in  year

[Wally Pryor 5388]

Nice update. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

It’s very clear none of you have been hit in the head with an empty football helmet.  All of your arguments are specious at best.

[Tired Horn 825]

11 minutes ago, Deej said:

I'm just guessing there is nothing for Rudolph to get upset about if he isn't roughed on the play. I just didn't understand the point of that tackle. Game was over and I feel like he was just trying to hurt the guy. Obviously Rudolph felt the same. And what point is a 15 yard penalty with time expired? Garrett had to know he was getting a free shot.

That's what I saw.

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

The funny thing is, browns media used to talk about Myles Garrett like he was soft. Like he didn’t have that “killer instinct”. Think he might have taken that a little bit too seriously lol

[F250 29176]

3 minutes ago, gecko said:

https://twitter.com/BoSnerdley/status/1195455703500148744?s=20

Garrett is done

He will be turning tricks with Manziel by March.

[Iceman 2956]

1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

The gratuitous apostrophe’s would be a better band name. 

Well-hung participle?

[Vertigo 20462]

33 minutes ago, AUinHsv said:

Kinda surprised no one on TV or radio mentioned this - but it has been 50 years. Juan Marichal hit two Dodgers as a pitcher and then while at bat turned and started hitting the Dodger catcher - John Roseboro over the head with his bat. One of the few things I could think of that was close - using a weapon during a game.    Poor quality but there wasn't a lot of video back then

 

 

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

23 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It’s very clear none of you have been hit in the head with an empty football helmet.  All of your arguments are specious at best.

I would also assume that none of us have been hit by an NFL saftey like Juju and Deonte Johnson were hit. Johnson was bleeding from his ear, concussed, and that was as dirty a hit as you can have from a saftey to a wr. Tbh, that saftey is lucky that play is getting swept under the rug. 

[Gene Parmesan 4062]

37 minutes ago, Deej said:

I'm just guessing there is nothing for Rudolph to get upset about if he isn't roughed on the play. I just didn't understand the point of that tackle. Game was over and I feel like he was just trying to hurt the guy. Obviously Rudolph felt the same. And what point is a 15 yard penalty with time expired? Garrett had to know he was getting a free shot.

I agree, but I don't think he was trying to hurt Rudolph.  The late hit wasn't brutal, but it was for sure late.  I think he was just getting one last lick in.

[Iceman 2956]

Pouncey's 3 had better mean Garrett gets 16, at a minimum.

 

 

[ulukinatme 1768]

1 hour ago, youdunnf'dup said:

Garrett got everything he deserved. But the fact that Pouncey got 3 games and Rudolph got nothing is just ridiculous. The NFL cares more about the optics of the situation, and the fact that this is on good morning America and CNN/Fox News. They don’t care about how it actually started. Rudolph should’ve gotten at least 1 or 2 games. Pouncey did EXACTLY what anyone in his situation should’ve done. 

I agree, Rudolph should have gotten at least a game suspension.  QBs get hit after the ball is thrown all the time, a defender coming at you full speed isn't always going to be able to stop in time.  There was no need for Rudolph to retaliate which really started the fight, and he certainly wasn't the victim when he charged Garrett as Garrett was being drug away by the Steeler's OL.  If he just walks away he doesn't get hit with his own helmet.  Should have been a suspension.  As far as Pouncey, I thought he'd get 2 games, but he definitely deserved a few too.  I get that you have to protect your QB, but you don't need to punch and kick a guy in the head while he's being held down.  Haynesworth got 6 games for stepping on a defenseless, helmetless player with his cleats, which resulted in 30 stitches.  On paper Garrett's attack is comparable or less egregious, but to be fair I thought Haynesworth deserved a longer suspension at the time.  I think Garrett should get shut down for the season and miss a few games in 2020.

Edited November 15, 2019 by ulukinatme

[michaelpshayes 417]

I know Aikman took too many blows to the head to remember it last night ...but he was about a foot away when Michael Irvin brained a New York Giant with his helmet and James Washington grabbed a cameraman’s tripod and threatened the entire giants team with a stabbing ..games suspended=0 

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

This also happened in the preseason, and the guy on the dolphins was suspended for 1 game. But again, not a primetime game where everyone was watching so the optics weren’t as bad. That’s the only thing the nfl cares about. 

[Chad 1728]

2 minutes ago, ulukinatme said:

I agree, Rudolph should have gotten at least a game suspension.  QBs get hit after the ball is thrown all the time, a defender coming at you full speed isn't always going to be able to stop in time.  There was no need for Rudolph to retaliate which really started the fight, and he certainly wasn't the victim when he charged Garrett as Garrett was being drug away by the Steeler's OL.  If he just walks away he doesn't get hit with his own helmet.  Should have been a suspension.  As far as Pouncey, I thought he'd get 2 games, but he definitely deserved a few too.  I get that you have to protect your QB, but you don't need to punch and kick a guy in the head while he's being held down.  Haynesworth got 6 games for stepping on a defenseless, helmetless player with his cleats, which resulted in 30 stitches.  On paper Garrett's attack is comparable or less egregious, but to be fair I thought Haynesworth deserved a longer suspension at the time.  I think Garrett should get shut down for the season and miss a few games in 2020.

Myles leads the NFL in late hits/roughing penalties this season this isn't a one time thing, he was beginning to earn the moniker of being a dirty player. Hitting someone upside the head with a helmet is beyond dirty. Cleveland was playing Buddy Ryan/Greg Williams style football all evening. Myles blasted Rudolph late in a game that was out of hand, but that wasn't good enough he had to sling him down to the ground well after the ball was in the hands of the intended receiver and wrestled around with Rudolph while he was down prompting him to attempt to rip his helmet off. Rudolph doesn't deserve a suspension, not by a long shot. Pouncey's suspension is justified, but Rudolph? Naw.

[honolulu horn 6207]

7 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It’s assault but criminally charging a football player for hitting another football player in the head with a helmet during a game sets a really bad precedent.  We watch football, boxing, and MMA because they assault each other.  Keeping the discipline out of the hands of law enforcement is really for the best. 

I'm glad you're not my defense counsel because this is bullshit. Let's pretend for a sec that the helmet caused major damage to Rudolph -- shit, if that helmet had landed a different way it could've killed him. Would that be enough for the police to get involved? Or should they just "keep discipline out of the hands of law enforcement?" in such a scenario?

There's a line between on-field criminal behavior that happens often (fights, etc) and being legally prosecuted. I don't know how that line should be defined, I'll admit. But Garrett sure as hell crossed it, whatever it is.

[JBJ 3780]

Forgot about this one as well.  This was aggravated assault - one year criminal probation.  

But it happened in Canada who has clearer sport-violence standards (because of hockey fighting).

Edited November 15, 2019 by JBJ

[ulukinatme 1768]

7 minutes ago, Chad said:

Myles leads the NFL in late hits/roughing penalties this season this isn't a one time thing, he was beginning to earn the moniker of being a dirty player. Hitting someone upside the head with a helmet is beyond dirty. Cleveland was playing Buddy Ryan/Greg Williams style football all evening. Myles blasted Rudolph late in a game that was out of hand, but that wasn't good enough he had to sling him down to the ground well after the ball was in the hands of the intended receiver and wrestled around with Rudolph while he was down prompting him to attempt to rip his helmet off. Rudolph doesn't deserve a suspension, not by a long shot. Pouncey's suspension is justified, but Rudolph? Naw.

Myles hit occurred while the play was still active, Rudolph's retaliation was after the whistle.  He could have left it there, but he charged Garrett while Garrett was being pulled away.  Garrett then swung the helmet in defense with his free arm, if Rudolph doesn't charge him the hit never occurs.  Garrett deserves to be shut down for the season and more, but Rudolph should have gotten at least one game suspension for his part in it.

[TexArcher 38816]

4 hours ago, wood said:

Good question. And this wasn't just assault with a deadly weapon. It was assault with a blunt object to the head. The fact that the league has made such a show of supposedly getting serious about head injuries makes it hard for them to go easy on this asshole imho. It's the pure hypocrisy if they give Garrett anything less than 16 regular season games for this shit

Agreed.

In the current environment with all the concussion stories and rules changes to prevent head injuries, they can't let this go lightly. 

I'm okay with a 16-game ban.  I'm also okay with a lifetime ban and aggravated assault charges, but I don't think either of those things will happen.

[JBJ 3780]

4 minutes ago, ulukinatme said:

Rudolph's retaliation was after the whistle. 

What retaliation? Yelling at him? Rudolph never through a punch or kick.

[ulukinatme 1768]

13 minutes ago, honolulu horn said:

I'm glad you're not my defense counsel because this is bullshit. Let's pretend for a sec that the helmet caused major damage to Rudolph -- shit, if that helmet had landed a different way it could've killed him. Would that be enough for the police to get involved? Or should they just "keep discipline out of the hands of law enforcement?" in such a scenario?

There's a line between on-field criminal behavior that happens often (fights, etc) and being legally prosecuted. I don't know how that line should be defined, I'll admit. But Garrett sure as hell crossed it, whatever it is.

Have you ever been hit with a football helmet?  It's not like a club, it's hallow and has some give to it.  I'm not saying it doesn't hurt, but it's unlikely you kill a man with one blow.  Like anything else you can probably kill a man with one using repeated blows, but that's not what occurred.  Notice that Rudolph's first response to the hit isn't to hold his head in pain, he throws his arms up in disbelief.  Could this go to court?  Sure, Haynesworth could have gone to court if Guronde had decided to press charges.  I think it would be hard to say the hit could have killed him though.

[Chad 1728]

9 minutes ago, ulukinatme said:

Myles hit occurred while the play was still active, Rudolph's retaliation was after the whistle.  He could have left it there, but he charged Garrett while Garrett was being pulled away.  Garrett then swung the helmet in defense with his free arm, if Rudolph doesn't charge him the hit never occurs.  Garrett deserves to be shut down for the season and more, but Rudolph should have gotten at least one game suspension for his part in it.

You have to be a special kind of stupid to justify swinging a fucking helmet as "defense".

[Pato del Muerto 53333]

Swung the helmet in defense???!!!

 

i must have missed it because surely it was posted and discussed, but this is most like what Marty mcsorely did. Used a piece of equipment to hit someone in the head on purpose and outside the normal course of play. 

Edited November 15, 2019 by Pato del Muerto

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

5 minutes ago, ulukinatme said:

 Like anything else you can probably kill a man with one using repeated blows

Like.... a herring?

[NeverMarryAStripper 22241]

8 minutes ago, ulukinatme said:

Have you ever been hit with a football helmet?  It's not like a club, it's hallow and has some give to it.  I'm not saying it doesn't hurt, but it's unlikely you kill a man with one blow.  

I'll be happy to hit you in the head with a helmet to test your theory

[TexArcher 38816]

8 minutes ago, ulukinatme said:

Have you ever been hit with a football helmet?  It's not like a club, it's hallow and has some give to it.  I'm not saying it doesn't hurt, but it's unlikely you kill a man with one blow.  Like anything else you can probably kill a man with one using repeated blows, but that's not what occurred.  Notice that Rudolph's first response to the hit isn't to hold his head in pain, he throws his arms up in disbelief.  Could this go to court?  Sure, Haynesworth could have gone to court if Guronde had decided to press charges.  I think it would be hard to say the hit could have killed him though.

If the crown of that helmet had hit Mason in the forehead or temple, or the top of his head, it absolutely could have killed him.  Keep in mind that the guy swinging it is a steroid monster.

LOL at the helmet's hollow so it's not a deadly weapon.  You're out of your damned mind.