Last Jedi Was So Bad I Only Saw It Twice

[Red Five 40854]

28 minutes ago, Bigbend1812 said:

 I guess these movies are a lot better when you’re 8 y/o.   

The good ones certainly are. 

[Eskimohorn 5635]

She learned everything he knew, training and otherwise, when she fought off his attempts to read her mind in VII
Which is why her fighting style is exactly the same as his:
https://i.imgur.com/JeRdYHl.gif
Spoiler (Also note that in both of these scenes, they're fighting something that isn't there.)
Furthermore, the scene when she beats off the attackers on Jakku is there to establish that she's already an experienced fighter.
Seriously. If any of y'all would stop and think for a minute, you'd be able to figure this shit out instead of constantly whining about "plot holes" that were clearly explained in the goddamned movies.
People mad about Episode VIII find plot holes and otherwise bitch about other movies
Citizen Kane: "They never explained the whole bit about 'Rosebud!'"
Casablanca: "Why didn't Captain Renault arrest Rick? He knew he did it! He was right there! So stupid!"
The Godfather: "'Take the Canoli?' Why would you make jokes there?"
The Wizard Of Oz: "Why did it have to be a Good Witch? Couldn't it have been a Good Wizard instead? And Glinda is such a Mary Sue! Too overpowered, obviously some chick's wish-fulfillment fantasy there."
The Graduate: "It's not that I hated it, it's just a bad movie." (Note: This line can be parroted for all of the above movies as well.)

So its like the Matrix? That’s just lazy writing. Worse than I thought. And comparisons to all-time classics, I guess you’re trolling at this point.

[workswithseed 2103]

15 hours ago, Rimbo said:

She learned everything he knew, training and otherwise, when she fought off his attempts to read her mind in VII

Which is why her fighting style is exactly the same as his:

https://i.imgur.com/JeRdYHl.gif

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(Also note that in both of these scenes, they're fighting something that isn't there.)

Furthermore, the scene when she beats off the attackers on Jakku is there to establish that she's already an experienced fighter.

Seriously. If any of y'all would stop and think for a minute, you'd be able to figure this shit out instead of constantly whining about "plot holes" that were clearly explained in the goddamned movies.

People mad about Episode VIII find plot holes and otherwise bitch about other movies

Citizen Kane: "They never explained the whole bit about 'Rosebud!'"

Casablanca: "Why didn't Captain Renault arrest Rick? He knew he did it! He was right there! So stupid!"

The Godfather: "'Take the Canoli?' Why would you make jokes there?"

The Wizard Of Oz: "Why did it have to be a Good Witch? Couldn't it have been a Good Wizard instead? And Glinda is such a Mary Sue! Too overpowered, obviously some chick's wish-fulfillment fantasy there."

The Graduate: "It's not that I hated it, it's just a bad movie." (Note: This line can be parroted for all of the above movies as well.)

The graduate was  boring, but titties

[Murfdogg21 4412]

JJ is going to have to pull some crazy shit out to retcon, like Luke achieved a new highest order of force ghost where he can materialize anywhere and physically contact/fight people. Something to salvage his character from being a scared pussy. I’d settle for him being an annoying force ghost that just follows Kylo around 24/7 berating him as psychological warfare, even when he’s sitting on the crapper. Maybe bring back a ghost form of Vader or Anakin or both to commune with Kylo/Rey. Carrie Fisher dying makes the job even harder, having to explain away where she is or how she died offscreen. Give the Asian chick the death that Jar Jar deserves. Explain who the fuck Snoke was and why the 99% of planets in the Republic that are good and decent people with a not so distant memory of the Empire refused to answer Leia’s distress call or do a damn thing to get in the way of the First Order.  Establish some genetic connection between Rey and someone with historical level of Jedi skills, rather than saying it’s all arbitrary and random, which may make some audience members feel it is logical given their own pessimism about the universe, but this is a fucking anthology about a boy conceived of the force and his failures and redemptions through his progeny. JJ needs to leave it in a place that the next trilogy in however many years can pick it back up with some connections. 

[Surly Bevo 24908]

Or there is this part of me that says "just stick to your guns and go awesomely bad.  I mean like have it start in the future and Rey and Ren are having a lightsaber duel on Leia's new ship and somebody Holdos it and kills them all in the first 15 minutes.  Then show the force kid with the broom force dancing with the broom for the next 90 minutes while all the force ghosts of the past look on and nod to the beat.

[mdleast 8289]

 

[elfenix 34234]

I agree that fans are so infatuated with the universe there was just no way to make movies that were going to make people happy.  IMHO, AOTC is now and will forever be the worst movie made in the franchise.  TLJ I put as second worst.  Mary Poppins Leia and whiny bitch-ass Luke and purple neck cunt. 
However, I do give them some rope because I think the third movie will pierce together some of the issues that people have with the second movie.  

It comes full circle. "But I was going into Tosche Station to pick up some power converters!" is the whiniest line in movie history

[oSuJeff97 3435]

On 7/6/2018 at 3:41 PM, ChickenSandwich said:

Just look at the DVD sales after the box office. 

TFA - $189.2million

TLJ - $78.6 million

bust

What this basically proves is that, no matter what Star Wars fans say, what they really want is for someone to just re-make the originals over and over again.

 

[Red Five 40854]

The rewatchability of TLJ is pretty much zero. Even the prequels had parts that I wanted to see again, enough to sit through the rest of it. There isn’t one scene in TLJ that I feel like I ever need to watch again.

[XYZ 2154]

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

The rewatchability of TLJ is pretty much zero. Even the prequels had parts that I wanted to see again, enough to sit through the rest of it. There isn’t one scene in TLJ that I feel like I ever need to watch again.

What??? Are you trying to say that the scene where Rose catches Finn trying to escape in the pod is not awesome? Leia Poppins? The back-and-forth between Poe and Holdo? Luke's bitchassedness? The prank call? I could keep going...

[ConferenceRoom 6141]

[hayden_horn 11362]

2 hours ago, Red Five said:

The rewatchability of TLJ is pretty much zero. Even the prequels had parts that I wanted to see again, enough to sit through the rest of it. There isn’t one scene in TLJ that I feel like I ever need to watch again.

I completely agree with this take. i suppose that episode 9 can do something to cast episode 8 in a better light, but i have zero desire to watch that film again.

and here is the reason, and should be reason #1: there is not an obvious coherent storyline. i think they overreached in ep 7 with the star killer death star, but this movie doesn't build off the last one in any meaningful way. yes, it's dark, but so was empire. luke loses a hand, han's frozen, life sucks and then you fight on. 

this movie departs from the ethos of the previous film, and that's why so many viewers dislike it. there's this idea out there that fanbois will hate on anything different. that's not true. different is good. but finn is terrible in this movie, and that's a wasted character, i guess because rian didn't find a meaningful role for him to fill. same thing happened with poe. neither of these characters seemed to change in any meaningful way, except, i guess poe is more likely to follow orders now? 

in empire, all three main characters grow by bouncing off each other, sharing experiences, hardships, and failures with a few small successes. you got a real sense of them getting to be closer friends. that wasn't the case in this movie. and that's part of what makes it so unlikable. 

[PilotsError 2287]

 

[Deej 76761]

The most depressing part of TLJ was seeing old Laura Dern. Young Laura Dern was something else.

[ernest_t_bass 1196]

The most depressing part of TLJ was Laura Dern.  Fuck Holdo.

[hayden_horn 11362]

57 minutes ago, Deej said:

The most depressing part of TLJ was seeing old Laura Dern. Young Laura Dern was something else.

[Surlybastard 65]

10 hours ago, oSuJeff97 said:

What this basically proves is that, no matter what Star Wars fans say, what they really want is for someone to just re-make the originals over and over again.

 

I feel like there's more space for new sw movies other than the two choices you are putting forward here. Couldn't they have done something a little original in both 7 and 8 while not giving us Rey as female Anakin and allowing Luke to be a badass and having a story which both makes sense and doesn't feel like a retread of ep 4 or 5? Shouldn't that be somewhat possible or am I thinking too much of modern writers/Hollywood?

[Murfdogg21 4412]

14 hours ago, Surlybastard said:

I feel like there's more space for new sw movies other than the two choices you are putting forward here. Couldn't they have done something a little original in both 7 and 8 while not giving us Rey as female Anakin and allowing Luke to be a badass and having a story which both makes sense and doesn't feel like a retread of ep 4 or 5? Shouldn't that be somewhat possible or am I thinking too much of modern writers/Hollywood?

You’d think with nearly unlimited money and resources they could. Disney knows what Star Wars fans want better than they do. And that is why they fail. 

[Buzzrock 14918]

Episode IX cast announced:

https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-episode-ix-cast-announced

[XYZ 2154]

They are bringing Luke back.

[Red Five 40854]

How about this. Who we saw disappear wasn’t actually Luke, but another projection. The real Luke was inside his little apartment beating off or something.

[Jersey Man10 3528]

Real Luke was having blue milkshakes with Han.

[ChickenSandwich 9834]

6 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

That probably just means he’s a force ghost.  But I prefer to think it means they are going to say TLJ was a non-canon dream sequence and we’re starting back where TFA ended.

First scene. She lands on Luke Island, then she wakes up in the captains chair of the ship still on the Island with all of TLJ being a nightmare planted by the dark side.

Rain goes long game and said it was his intention to dupe the entire audience like Del Torro so they are invested in the dark sides’ demise in the last film having been personally wronged. 

Well played Big Johnson. Well played indeed. 

Edited July 29, 2018 by ChickenSandwich

[MissingInAction 25049]

Tried to watch it again the other night and couldn't get past the stupidity of the opening scene.

[kopp0e 1135]

On 7/9/2018 at 1:54 PM, crackamacgowski said:

Those are the best boobs I,ve seen in a while... 

[kopp0e 1135]

On 7/28/2018 at 1:19 PM, Red Five said:

How about this. Who we saw disappear wasn’t actually Luke, but another projection. The real Luke was inside his little apartment beating off or something.

What would that scene look like if Yoda walked in on him... 

Yoda: "off the path that is beaten, I see you have went", hmm..?

Luke: 'this isn't the mental image you were looking for"...

 

 

Edited July 30, 2018 by kopp0e

[Tom 2959]

On 7/9/2018 at 7:33 PM, Deej said:

The most depressing part of TLJ was seeing old Laura Dern. Young Laura Dern was something else.

 

Still would.

[elnimo 55]

I think Luke being a pussy is right in line with his character.  He was such a whiny little bitch until ROTJ.  After he lost his arm and realized Darth Vader was his father, he sacked up and became a badass.  So it seems reasonable to me that after he doesn't kill Kylo and causes his turn to the dark side he would hide away like a castrated cow and drink alien titty milk.  I saw Ep. 9 as him redeeming himself again just like in ROTJ.  My only real complaint was the super leia scene.  I understand she had to be in a coma in order to facilitate the whole Poe/Finn plot line.  But she could have just gotten injured in the blast and not sucked out into space.  My guess is that had Carrie Fisher lived, Leia's force powers may have been more prominent in Ep. 9.

RIP Admiral Ackbar.

[HaroldBS 1]

On 7/28/2018 at 5:53 PM, longhornmatt said:

That probably just means he’s a force ghost.  But I prefer to think it means they are going to say TLJ was a non-canon dream sequence and we’re starting back where TFA ended.

I would prefer that they try to write an original and good story completely independent of the skywalker arc. Have it be 500 years in the past or 500 years in the future so we don't have the binary good/evil stuff.

[Snake Diggity 4622]

Watched this for the 5th time today, this time focusing on what went wrong, how it could have been avoided, and how 9 can redeem the franchise.  

 

Real quick, what went well:

1. Rey and Kylo.  Perfectly casted, well written, tremendous chemistry.  By far the saving grace of the film.
2. No real complaints about the 1st 20 minutes of the film.  Poe’s prank call scene was hokey and landed better with the less mature audiences, but it wasn’t inneffective and didn’t do any lasting damage.  Really, everything up until Leia Poppins was fine.
3. Space battle special effects were great, as expected.  Easy to forget how stunning the visuals are in these movies.
4. The Stellig Michael scenes.  Luke and Rey had good chemistry and I like they way they handled her training.
5. The throne room scenes.  Just about perfect.  I have no problem with killing Snoke before finding out more about him, and again, Rey and Kylo are fantastic.

 

ok, what went wrong (chronologically):

1. Luke as a broken man.  I don’t necessarily disagree with the storyline of Luke having given up, but the explanation they gave (Kylo’s turn) wasn’t deep enough.  Having gone through the experience of redeeming his father, his nephew turning to the dark side wouldn’t be hurtful enough to break him.  An easy way to make his evolution more believable would have been that after he failed to prevent Kylo’s turn, in the aftermath, Kylo killed Luke’s family (wife, kid).  It’s the only thing that Luke hadn’t dealt with that might’ve been powerful enough to break him.  Or they could have just made Luke a badass hero like most fans wanted/expected (although that would have made for a dramatically different movie and likely taken away from the Rey story).
2. Leia Poppins.  It’s sole purpose is to show she has Force powers, but it looks utterly ridiculous and does not fit with the Leia character that was developed over episodes 4-6.  She could have just crouched down and put herself in a Force bubble or something that wouldn’t have looked nearly as silly.  It’s very hard to believe that scene made it through editing and screen testing.  So brutal; a 1 minute scene stains the entire film.
3. Vice Admiral Holdo, Rose, Maz Kanata, and Phasma.  Poorly cast, poorly written, poorly acted, transparent agenda that doesn’t serve the story and isn’t entertaining.  Holdo was completely superfluous to an already complex plot with too many storylines.  Her story was probably meant to serve Poe’s journey, but it was ineffective and the lesson she taught him could have been achieved within other existing storylines (Leia’s lecture and escape plan).  Rose’s looks were distracting.  I understand wanting a character who didn’t fit the traditional female appearance, but they could have found another chubby or strange looking actress who was still attractive.  The writing and acting made things worse.  It is what it is.   Phasma’s character wasn’t developed enough in the previous film for her short appearance in this one to have any value.  Maz Kanata’s scene was utterly pointless.  All 4 should have been simply cut out in editing.
4. The entire casino planet and code breaker plot.  The plot achieved several things (introduced the idea of the resistance as a symbol with the Force sensitive stable boy, Rose and Finn’s love story, gave Finn something to do), but only the idea of the Resistance as a symbol was important, and that is more to serve episode 9 than 8.  The special effects were bad, Finn and Rose had terrible chemistry, and Benicio Del Toro’s character was distracting and wasted a great actor.  The worthwhile plot device (Resistance as a symbol) could have been achieved with far less effort and distraction: the final scene of the stable boys telling stories of the resistance and using the Force would have served that purpose without the context of them helping Rose/Finn in the earlier scenes.  That doesn’t solve the issue of what to do with Finn, but his character would have probably been better served had he spent the entire film in the bacta tank.  Finn could have hung with Poe and gone straight to the First Order ship to disable the tracker.  Also, Finn doesn’t need a love story; he’s a supporting character.  The casino planet scenes were very reminiscent of the prequels, and again, I’m very surprised those scenes survived editing and screen testing.  5-10 minutes of screen time killed the movie (for most viewers).
5. Force ghosts.  Yoda showing up felt like fan service.  If he can come and go that easily, why wouldn’t he have been more involved in Rey’s training?  If they bust out other Force ghosts (Anakin, Qui Gonn, Obi Wan) in 9, I will wonder where they were this whole time. 

 

How Episode IX should go:

1. Bring closure to the Skywalker saga by redeeming Kylo Ren in a way that is believable but not too reminiscent of Vader.  I’m terrified Hayden Christensen is going to show up and tell Ben Solo he’s the victim of a huge misunderstanding.
2. Strengthen Rey’s role as the nobody who was somebody.  The more time passes, the more I love the idea of Reys parents being nobody.  She better not end up being a Skywalker or a Solo or a Kenobi or anything else.
3. Find a suitable ending for Finn and Poe.  Poe’s answer is simple; he needs to die.  Otherwise he’ll end up a general in the background.  Worst case, he hooks up with Rey (ugh).  But Finn is harder to figure out.  Rey doesn’t need a love interest.  There’s no spot for him in the rebellion.  I suppose he could die too.  But it’s going be hard to wrap their stories up in a good way.
4. Give the Rebellion/Empire or good/evil story a certain, lasting ending.  You know, like they did with the celebration scenes at the end of episode 6.
5. Don’t overthink Leia’s exit.  One shot of her right before her ship explodes.  Whatever.  Just make it short and sweet and a meaningful part of the story.  
6.  

[dcar00 14181]

On 7/28/2018 at 12:50 PM, XYZ said:

They are bringing Luke back.

say what you want about Hamil but he rightly called out the BS that Johnson was pulling in TLJ.   I watched it again just to try to give it another chance.  nope.  too many characters to try to service, trying to send way to many messsages while over doing the "this isn't going to be your father's Star Wars movie".   I had to fast forward through casino night just to make it to the end.

Solo was twice as good as that shit and it is very average.

[Eskimohorn 5635]

say what you want about Hamil but he rightly called out the BS that Johnson was pulling in TLJ.   I watched it again just to try to give it another chance.  nope.  too many characters to try to service, trying to send way to many messsages while over doing the "this isn't going to be your father's Star Wars movie".   I had to fast forward through casino night just to make it to the end.
Solo was twice as good as that shit and it is very average.

The Matrix came out about the same time as TPM. Not only did the Matrix special effects blow TPM away, it was superior in every single phase including impactful themes.

If TLJ wanted to amp it up beyond OT, they missed badly on so many levels.

[52-80 19150]

15 hours ago, Snake Diggity said:

Watched this for the 5th time today, this time focusing on what went wrong, how it could have been avoided, and how 9 can redeem the franchise.  

 

Real quick, what went well:

1. Rey and Kylo.  Perfectly casted, well written, tremendous chemistry.  By far the saving grace of the film.
2. No real complaints about the 1st 20 minutes of the film.  Poe’s prank call scene was hokey and landed better with the less mature audiences, but it wasn’t inneffective and didn’t do any lasting damage.  Really, everything up until Leia Poppins was fine.
3. Space battle special effects were great, as expected.  Easy to forget how stunning the visuals are in these movies.
4. The Stellig Michael scenes.  Luke and Rey had good chemistry and I like they way they handled her training.
5. The throne room scenes.  Just about perfect.  I have no problem with killing Snoke before finding out more about him, and again, Rey and Kylo are fantastic.

 

ok, what went wrong (chronologically):

1. Luke as a broken man.  I don’t necessarily disagree with the storyline of Luke having given up, but the explanation they gave (Kylo’s turn) wasn’t deep enough.  Having gone through the experience of redeeming his father, his nephew turning to the dark side wouldn’t be hurtful enough to break him.  An easy way to make his evolution more believable would have been that after he failed to prevent Kylo’s turn, in the aftermath, Kylo killed Luke’s family (wife, kid).  It’s the only thing that Luke hadn’t dealt with that might’ve been powerful enough to break him.  Or they could have just made Luke a badass hero like most fans wanted/expected (although that would have made for a dramatically different movie and likely taken away from the Rey story).
2. Leia Poppins.  It’s sole purpose is to show she has Force powers, but it looks utterly ridiculous and does not fit with the Leia character that was developed over episodes 4-6.  She could have just crouched down and put herself in a Force bubble or something that wouldn’t have looked nearly as silly.  It’s very hard to believe that scene made it through editing and screen testing.  So brutal; a 1 minute scene stains the entire film.
3. Vice Admiral Holdo, Rose, Maz Kanata, and Phasma.  Poorly cast, poorly written, poorly acted, transparent agenda that doesn’t serve the story and isn’t entertaining.  Holdo was completely superfluous to an already complex plot with too many storylines.  Her story was probably meant to serve Poe’s journey, but it was ineffective and the lesson she taught him could have been achieved within other existing storylines (Leia’s lecture and escape plan).  Rose’s looks were distracting.  I understand wanting a character who didn’t fit the traditional female appearance, but they could have found another chubby or strange looking actress who was still attractive.  The writing and acting made things worse.  It is what it is.   Phasma’s character wasn’t developed enough in the previous film for her short appearance in this one to have any value.  Maz Kanata’s scene was utterly pointless.  All 4 should have been simply cut out in editing.
4. The entire casino planet and code breaker plot.  The plot achieved several things (introduced the idea of the resistance as a symbol with the Force sensitive stable boy, Rose and Finn’s love story, gave Finn something to do), but only the idea of the Resistance as a symbol was important, and that is more to serve episode 9 than 8.  The special effects were bad, Finn and Rose had terrible chemistry, and Benicio Del Toro’s character was distracting and wasted a great actor.  The worthwhile plot device (Resistance as a symbol) could have been achieved with far less effort and distraction: the final scene of the stable boys telling stories of the resistance and using the Force would have served that purpose without the context of them helping Rose/Finn in the earlier scenes.  That doesn’t solve the issue of what to do with Finn, but his character would have probably been better served had he spent the entire film in the bacta tank.  Finn could have hung with Poe and gone straight to the First Order ship to disable the tracker.  Also, Finn doesn’t need a love story; he’s a supporting character.  The casino planet scenes were very reminiscent of the prequels, and again, I’m very surprised those scenes survived editing and screen testing.  5-10 minutes of screen time killed the movie (for most viewers).
5. Force ghosts.  Yoda showing up felt like fan service.  If he can come and go that easily, why wouldn’t he have been more involved in Rey’s training?  If they bust out other Force ghosts (Anakin, Qui Gonn, Obi Wan) in 9, I will wonder where they were this whole time. 

 

How Episode IX should go:

1. Bring closure to the Skywalker saga by redeeming Kylo Ren in a way that is believable but not too reminiscent of Vader.  I’m terrified Hayden Christensen is going to show up and tell Ben Solo he’s the victim of a huge misunderstanding.
2. Strengthen Rey’s role as the nobody who was somebody.  The more time passes, the more I love the idea of Reys parents being nobody.  She better not end up being a Skywalker or a Solo or a Kenobi or anything else.
3. Find a suitable ending for Finn and Poe.  Poe’s answer is simple; he needs to die.  Otherwise he’ll end up a general in the background.  Worst case, he hooks up with Rey (ugh).  But Finn is harder to figure out.  Rey doesn’t need a love interest.  There’s no spot for him in the rebellion.  I suppose he could die too.  But it’s going be hard to wrap their stories up in a good way.
4. Give the Rebellion/Empire or good/evil story a certain, lasting ending.  You know, like they did with the celebration scenes at the end of episode 6.
5. Don’t overthink Leia’s exit.  One shot of her right before her ship explodes.  Whatever.  Just make it short and sweet and a meaningful part of the story.  
6.  

 

Thanks Bruv.

[hornfan785 556]

 

[ConferenceRoom 6141]

If it sounds like snake, it's a mistake. 

[atomheartbevo 89656]

On 8/28/2018 at 1:00 PM, hornfan785 said:

 

Came to post this.  Glad to see he's still churning these out.

[atomheartbevo 89656]

DON'T YOU DARE ASK ANY QUESTIONS CAUSE SHE'S GOT PURPLE HAIR!

This is one area where this shit ain't like Star Trek at all.  If Picard was in a situation where he didn't know what the fuck to do, he would ask everybody for their opinions.  He would say "what do you suggest?"  Everyone would offer up ideas from each character's own unique perspective.

I love when he goes off on a Star Trek diatribe.

And "it's funny when Clark Griswold crashes the family truckster"

Edited August 30, 2018 by atomheartbevo

[Rimbo 25921]

Hmmm... Still rated at 91%.

 

[SpiralOut 1813]

1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

Hmmm... Still rated at 91%.

 

Hmmm...  When you cut out the Disney shills and go by the audience score it's still below 50%  Funny how that works.

[ConferenceRoom 6141]

7 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Came to post this.  Glad to see he's still churning these out.

Red Letter Media is the best thing going on YouTube, for my money. Love those guys.

[Trey3216 15346]

4 hours ago, Rimbo said:

Hmmm... Still rated at 91%.

 

I saw Revenge of the Sith on tv for the first time in a while.  It was better than this shit hole even with Hayden Christensen being terrible. 

[52-80 19150]

5 hours ago, Rimbo said:

Hmmm... Still rated at 91%.

 

And Mamma Mia has 80% so who gaf

[Red Five 40854]

I’ll be honest, that score baffles me. This is by far the best reviewed shitty movie in history.

[Patrick Bateman 3912]

14 hours ago, Rimbo said:

Hmmm... Still rated at 91%.

 

46% by audiences.... by far the worst in the franchise.  Maybe it doesn't deserve such a poor rating but shows how poorly this movie was received....

 

[JBJ 3654]

Positives:

1) The hyperspace crash was pretty awesome special effects.

2) Benicio del Toro's character has me wanting more.

3) Kylo gained depth in his character (Leia scene, history with Luke, Snoke scene, duel with Luke).  He came into his own, and I believe Luke's duel with him is seeding something for Kylo's character for 9.

 

Negatives:

1) Rey, who is the main freaking character, had no development the entire film.  She confronted Kylo, but didn't really lose or win, learned nothing from Luke or about her parents, and still has no idea what her role is in this.

2) Rey and Kylo love-hate: their vision connections had no meaning other than to imply some form of relationship developed off-screen.  Well, put that shit on the freaking screen.

3) The reconstruction of the Jedi mythos: I think is what pisses fans off because it's been done so well in the past (KOTOR, clone wars, the prequels, hell they deconstructed the Sith in 7 and you could see it was leading somewhere).  But in  this movie the moral deconstruction of the Jedi was never reformed or replaced with something better.  Luke just called everyone an idiot, Yoda symbolically lightning'd it without any real explanation as to why or what would follow. The entire point of a deconstruction is to create something better from the ashes. Rey is kind of stuck in a limbo where she doesn't have a character path forward.  If they wanted her to create a new path, have her reject/reform the guidance of the Jedi/Luke.  Not just simply end the movie without any.  Maybe they cam savw this in 9.

4) Along the same lines: Luke. He became an asshat cowering from his past mistakes. Luke kind of redeems himself at the end, but not nearly overcoming the terrible cost to his character.

5) Any other character.

Finn: nothing. 

Poe: the moral of his story was to not try to be a hero?  Kinda defeats the purpose of a heroic epic.

Rose: JarJar meets his match.

Snoke: was instantly killed as soon as he became the awesomely powerful villian everyone was hoping for.

Phasma: what is she supposed to be?  Give me the bad guy who is physically powerful but psychotic or someone cunning, courageous, but with loyalty misplaced.  She doesn't seem to be anything but the Stormtrooper in the shiny armor.

Admiral Hux: there may be something there.  Loyal goof belying sinister genius? But it's doubtful they have that in mind.

[Rimbo 25921]

16 hours ago, SpiralOut said:

Hmmm...  When you cut out the Disney shills and go by the audience score it's still below 50%  Funny how that works.

It works like any poll that aggy grassroots'ed.

It's still a bunch of people stuffing the ballot box and making cringe-worthy facile "observations" on the film.

I'm sorry you saw a completely different movie from the one I did, that you're not able to enjoy Star Wars for what it's become.

The only people destroying Star Wars are you.

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Your trolling powers are weak.

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4 hours ago, JBJ said:

1) The hyperspace crash was pretty awesome special effects.

2) Benicio del Toro's character has me wanting more.

Negatives:

2) Rey and Kylo love-hate: their vision connections had no meaning other than to imply some form of relationship developed off-screen.  Well, put that shit on the freaking screen.

Agreed on #1 and #2.  Wouldn't mind a Star Wars story on del Toro's character.  Would have been better than Solo.

As for Rey and Kylo, watch this minute or two segment of the RLM review - he nailed how it should have ended - the last of Luke we see in TLJ should have been when Rey leaves, and it should have ended with Rey joining Kylo and/or trying to save him.  Woulda been poetry - Luke gets a chance to go out like a badass in a blaze of glory in IX, and he reprises Obi-Wan's role as that of a master having to confront a student, only it would be two students, and Rey would be pulling a Luke and trying to save Kylo.  Poetry I tell ya.

 

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I'm honestly surprised they didn't include that scene with the stormtroopers played by Tom Hardy (and his attempt at a shitty Southern accent) and Prince William and Prince Harry.  

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9 hours ago, Rimbo said:

It works like any poll that aggy grassroots'ed.

It's still a bunch of people stuffing the ballot box and making cringe-worthy facile "observations" on the film.

I'm sorry you saw a completely different movie from the one I did, that you're not able to enjoy Star Wars for what it's become.

The only people destroying Star Wars are you.

For what it’s become??? For what it’s become?!?!  Some of us don’t swim in pools of shit and think to ourselves, “well ain’t this refreshing?”