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Am I taking crazy pills? Mr. “thin blue line” cop defender himself is crying about injustice? The same arrogant fuckface who assured everyone that HPD and Art fucking Acevedo’s actions in the Harding

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6 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

They should start by looking in their own dugout before dumping their purse out.

Their 2018 MVP teammate wore an electronic buzzer on his wrist.  He and Dodger Price both have rings from the season they stole signs and wore electronic buzzers.

Easy to see why the Dodgers will never win it all, too many pussies in the locker room.  Will be great to seem them fail again.

Where is the Mookie Betts wrist buzzer stuff coming from?

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1 hour ago, txhorns said:

Where is the Mookie Betts wrist buzzer stuff coming from?

 

1 hour ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Apple Watch. Cheaters. Didn’t do anything to stop it. 

Everyone knows they were cheating with apple watches in the dugout in 2017.  Obviously they got sneakier and better at cheating

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This story, told wonderfully by Joe Dittmar in The Baseball Research Journal, resonated on Tuesday, when a New York Times report revealed teams are still engaging in completely ridiculous schemes to try and steal signs. The New York Yankees accused the Boston Red Sox of using an Apple Watch in an attempt to relay pitch calls to runners on second base, which they would pass along to hitters at the plate. Major League Baseball confirmed the Yankees’ findings. Meanwhile, the Red Sox filed a counterclaim with the league accusing the Yankees of using an in-house TV feed to do the same.
 

 

Anxiously awaiting Judge’s apology to Andrew Benintendi for cheating him out of the ROY awards

https://sports.yahoo.com/shocking-history-sign-stealing-baseball-053859138.html
 

Author says of Sox and Yanks, boys will be boys. Now same author wants the death penalty. What changed?  The name of the teams. 

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Players going after the commissioner yet i haven't heard one peep about the players association. I mean, they are the ones protecting the players who cheated, right?

 

Also i get lebron chiming in as a fan, but he should probably stfu about integrity after his pathetic display re: China....

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It's fun to watch how certain reporters' opinions have changed when different teams are involved.

https://sports.yahoo.com/shocking-history-sign-stealing-baseball-053859138.html

Because cheating is not just part of baseball. It’s woven into the game’s DNA. Bats loaded with cork and superballs. Balls filed down with emery boards or loaded with Vaseline. Perhaps the most famous hit in baseball history, Bobby Thomson’s Shot Heard Round the World, came off a stolen sign. One scout, asked about the gravity of the Red Sox’s offense, quoted “Days of Thunder” and said: “Rubbing is racing.” Inside the game, that is the belief. It’s why when pitchers mix Bullfrog sunscreen and rosin to create a tacky substance that helps them attain a better grip on the ball, nobody blinks. And it’s why when the Red Sox narc’d on Yankees pitcher Michael Pineda for wearing pine tar on his neck, players shrugged.

MLB suspended Pineda for 10 games, mainly for the sin of cheating blatantly as opposed to mere cheating. The Yankees got the Red Sox back for the same here, the second incident within a little over a year in which sloppiness was their downfall: Last July, the league barred the Red Sox from signing international players for a year after they weaseled around restrictions limiting their per-player spending to $300,000.

To most in baseball, this was a far more egregious offense, even if it isn’t nearly as titillating as the theft of signs. That’s understandable. Tradecraft is fascinating, and that it’s the Red Sox committing larceny against the Yankees only adds to that fascination. And yet it’s easy to get carried away, to believe the addition of technology to standard action somehow makes it more severe. Technology isn’t going anywhere. Banning it from dugouts won’t stop cheating. The league already has looked into increasing communication possibilities among the dugout, pitcher and catcher in hopes of limiting mound visits and hastening the pace of play, according to sources.

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Has anyone tried unplugging Bevo VIII and rebooting?  He's glitching out.

On 2/13/2020 at 10:54 AM, Bevo VIII said:

Astro fans : this scandal | aggy : fedex

On 2/13/2020 at 12:12 PM, Bevo VIII said:

At bare minimum I expect people on this board not to go full aggy. They went full aggy

On 2/13/2020 at 5:04 PM, Bevo VIII said:

Astros Fans = aggy

On 2/17/2020 at 12:47 PM, Bevo VIII said:

“Who the fuck is mike trout? Fucking nobody needs to keep his mouth shut he doesn’t know shit about baseball. Fuck him, World Series champs 2017, we didn’t cheat” - Astros Fans(baseball aggy)

3 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said:

The astros thread is full aggy now

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

I think Arlington fan is worried about being labeled baseball aggy.

Using an alternative name for a fan base that you alone think is funny/clever while calling them aggy is waaaaaaaaaaay more hypocritical than the Yankees calling the Astros cheaters. 

That seems blatantly self-evident, but I guess not.

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Astros fans are so adorable with their "everyone is a hypocrite, cheating happens everywhere" arguments. While correct, people aren't this upset at the Astros because of the cheating itself; they're upset because the punishment after getting caught was a joke. Steroid users eventually got theirs. The Patriots lost actual draft picks for Spygate. The NFL suspended the best, biggest name player in the sport 25% of the season for Deflategate. Both were much smaller incidents than this. Once the punishments were issued, people moved on.

The Astros lost their manager...the single most irrelevant, interchangeable head coach in all of sports.

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8 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Astros fans are so adorable with their "everyone is a hypocrite, cheating happens everywhere" arguments. While correct, people aren't this upset at the Astros because of the cheating itself; they're upset because the punishment after getting caught was a joke. Steroid users eventually got theirs. The Patriots lost actual draft picks for Spygate. The NFL suspended the best, biggest name player in the sport 25% of the season for Deflategate. Both were much smaller incidents than this. Once the punishments were issued, people moved on.

The Astros lost their manager*...the single most irrelevant, interchangeable head coach in all of sports.

*Manager, General Manger, first and second round draft picks for the next two seasons, and $5M.  I'm not saying the premise of your post is incorrect, but the facts are.

Also, there is no universe where a baseball manager is less relevant than an NBA head coach.  

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12 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

*Manager, General Manger, first and second round draft picks for the next two seasons, and $5M.  I'm not saying the premise of your post is incorrect, but the facts are.

Also, there is no universe where a baseball manager is less relevant than an NBA head coach.  

Yeah, I was being a little hyperbolic. But people actually care about NFL picks. Astros' players getting immunity is a joke.

And, unless you have LeBron James in your team, you're 100% wrong about NBA coaches. There's actual schemes, philosophies, and X's and O's. Look no further than Steve Kerr taking over for Mark Jackson.

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Now even LeBron James has weighed in on the Astros scandal, with the King calling on commissioner Rob Manfred to listen to aggrieved, angry players like Mike Trout, Aaron Judge and Justin Turner, and do something more than what he has done.

Manfred's options are limited by the immunity granted to players during the sign-stealing investigation, but more because of the inherent limitations of operating under a collective bargaining agreement. As some opposing players have noted, taking away the Astros' 2017 World Series title is impractical, maybe even a little silly; the games were played, they were won and lost, and you can't go back in a time machine and take away the Astros' competitive advantage. And it's possible that if Manfred tried to vacate the title, he would run afoul of the MLB Players Association, which could legally challenge the premise that he has the power to unilaterally take away a championship.

 
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But there's another option through which the collective anger we have seen over the past three months could coalesce: Manfred could take the step of wielding a formal and final and unprecedented resolution of censure of the 2017 Houston Astros.

He could ask the owners for their backing and then forward the final resolution to the members of the players' association, giving the Astros' frustrated brethren an opportunity to vote their disapproval. A sportwide condemnation would be a permanent stain of ignominy.

Manfred could say: As I've had more time to process the fallout from what the Astros did in 2017, and as I've heard from fans and players throughout the sport, I believe more action is warranted, beyond the initial penalties handed down Jan. 13. For repeatedly cheating against its opponents throughout the regular season and postseason, as established in the Major League Baseball's investigation, the 2017 Houston Astros are hereby censured, a designation to be forever noted in baseball's official record book.

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If Manfred took these steps, he would find support within the industry, given the apparent fury over the Astros' handling of the aftermath -- much of it lacking remorse or contrition, or even an acknowledgement that their sign-stealing system was potentially difference-making. "Our opinion is this didn't impact the game," Astros owner Jim Crane said last week, words that ricocheted around the game.

"This is really bad for baseball," a senior official said. "Jim has handled this atrociously. They have not accepted responsibility, and acted like, 'This is no big deal, everybody was doing it,' when it's apparent that they had an advantage. They just refuse to take responsibility, and now is the time for the other teams to act."

A censure might feel soft initially, without the teeth of a suspension or the revocation of riches. But the weight of history would prevail. Moving forward, references to the '17 Astros would inevitably contain the qualifier that the group was censured for cheating by peers.

Look, even if Manfred doesn't take any more action, the legacy of the players on that team is forever diminished. It's already apparent they will be remembered as cheaters to most in the court of public opinion, and in the eyes of many of their peers -- cheaters who wielded an illicit competitive advantage. But for all of the majesty implied in the title of commissioner, Manfred has almost no leeway to discipline the players, even after declaring in his findings that the Astros' scheme was player-driven. Judge, Trout, Cody Bellinger and others can confirm that for themselves with union chief Tony Clark, as the players' association begins its annual spring training get-togethers.

Social media vs. MLB

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How the internet helped crack the Astros' sign-stealing case. Joon Lee »

• Passan: Buzzers, burner accounts and conspiracies: Inside a day of epic chaos

Had Manfred refused to grant immunity to the Houston players as Major League Baseball dove into its investigation, then the union would've interceded and protected players in legal peril -- and protecting members is exactly what any union should do. Many or all of the players would've refused to answer questions, and then Manfred would've run into the same types of problems that George Mitchell did in his laughable investigation of the steroid era. No subpoena power, no absolute proof that Player X benefited from the sign stealing. MLB investigators probably would've gotten a lot of, "I don't recall." Or, "I didn't hear the trash can banging." Manfred is right in this regard: At least the core of the truth is exposed.

But Manfred has the power to go one step further and distinguish that Houston championship from all others in baseball history.

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As Roger Maris and Mickey Mantle closed on Babe Ruth's single-season home run record in 1961, commissioner Ford Frick announced that unless a player reached at least 60 home runs in 154 games -- the parameters under which Ruth played in 1927 -- there should be some special designation in the record books, separating the accomplishments. Frick never formally issued an edict, and eventually that suggestion faded in history; Maris was recognized as the record holder until Mark McGwire passed that mark in 1998. But Frick's mere suggestion served to unfairly diminish Maris' accomplishment in the years that followed.

So do not underestimate the long-term impact of a formal censure, because no matter what Jim Crane or anyone else argues about the legitimacy of the '17 championship, a censure introduced by Manfred and seconded by the players would stand as the final word.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28735822/rob-manfred-option-censure-2017-astros

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21 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

They should start by looking in their own dugout before dumping their purse out.

Their 2018 MVP teammate wore an electronic buzzer on his wrist.  He and Dodger Price both have rings from the season they stole signs and wore electronic buzzers.

Easy to see why the Dodgers will never win it all, too many pussies in the locker room.  Will be great to seem them fail again.

Seems like Astros and their fans are bigger pussies tbh.

4 hours ago, David Dennison said:

I think Arlington fan is worried about being labeled baseball aggy.

No chance with Houston Fan not only taking that crown but running away and hiding with it.

3 hours ago, txhorns said:

And yet they still have as many legitimate championships as the Astros.

ZING!

2 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

*Manager, General Manger, first and second round draft picks for the next two seasons, and $5M.  I'm not saying the premise of your post is incorrect, but the facts are.

Also, there is no universe where a baseball manager is less relevant than an NBA head coach.  

Slap on the fucking wrist.  The Manage and GM will be replaced pretty easily, or come back after the smoke has cleared.  We really talking about draft pics in the MLB when your team already has one of the best systems in baseball?  They'll EASILY  overcome losing 4 total picks.  And 5 million dollars?  Astros will make that opening day.

It's a weak punishment and the immunity wasn't needed to figure out what happened.  If that bitch ass Commish would have suspended players from both 2017 and 2018 for even 20-30 games it would have gone over much better.

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

No, they don't.

Key word "legitimate".  At least Houston can claim more WS appearances than Texas...unless you take 2017 out, as you probably should.

41 minutes ago, C-Man said:

The city of Houston's major sport championship history:

NFL: None

MLB: 2017 (unprecedented sign-stealing)

NBA: 1994, 1995 (Jordan's "retirement" years)

NHL: N/A, no franchise

Ouch.

22 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Dumbass.  Have you heard of the comets? Swooped coop and TT

We counting aggy Womens Basketball and Softball too?

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New Chicago Cubs manager David Ross wasted no time in making his first big decision, announcing Kris Bryant as his leadoff man even before playing a game.

"You'll see him at the top of the order a whole lot in spring training," Ross said Wednesday. "Kris Bryant is a really good at-bat, gets on base, is probably one of our best baserunners. His baseball IQ is extremely high. When you talk about putting the best players at the top of the order, I want to put him at the top."

Bryant is on board, having hit leadoff in college after teams stopped pitching to him in the middle of the University of San Diego order.

The Cubs ranked last in the majors in on-base percentage (.294) from the No. 1 spot last season, after ranking first in the National League in 2018. Ross intends to give Bryant, who has a career .385 OBP, a long leash.

 

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