Goodbye birthrate - Injectable birth control for males that lasts for 13 years could be available in 7 months

[gecko 1104]

India huh...?  

[Mother mopar 3351]

Why change the game now, pull and pray has been working for years.

[UT_OB1 2229]

Can they make a 5 or 8 year version?  I wouldn't want to subject a 5 year old to this, unless it is much less painful than I imagine, but I'd be all for treating this like a vaccine and requiring it to go to school for kids between the age of 10 to 18.  A 97% reduction in teen pregnancy would be huge for education, welfare budgets, future generations, and a whole slew of issues we currently have. I'm also assuming there are no side effects.

Edited November 26, 2019 by UT_OB1

[HornsOverIthaca 2339]

Not too keen on the words “injected into the vas deferens.”

[elfenix 34396]

i feel like this thread could use some context

 

[Nolacycling 893]

6 hours ago, UT_OB1 said:

Can they make a 5 or 8 year version?  I wouldn't want to subject a 5 year old to this, unless it is much less painful than I imagine, but I'd be all for treating this like a vaccine and requiring it to go to school for kids between the age of 10 to 18.  A 97% reduction in teen pregnancy would be huge for education, welfare budgets, future generations, and a whole slew of issues we currently have. I'm also assuming there are no side effects.

In Texas, Perry's Vaccine Mandate Provoked Anger

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

On 11/26/2019 at 10:52 AM, elfenix said:

i feel like this thread could use some context

 

So the female condom is as effective as pulling out?

That can't be right.

[atomheartbevo 90143]

On 11/26/2019 at 9:58 AM, Mother mopar said:

Why change the game now, pull and pray has been working for years.

Spray and pray.

[atomheartbevo 90143]

A lot of the world's militaries would probably love this, including our military.  Would cut down a helluva lot of drama for the younger troops.

[UDontKnow 10515]

On 11/26/2019 at 3:45 PM, Nolacycling said:

In Texas, Perry's Vaccine Mandate Provoked Anger

It did because Perry's wife was linked to the manufacturer of Gardasil vaccine. It's not like he gave a damn about the health of Texans otherwise.

11 hours ago, Grade of D as in David said:

So the female condom is as effective as pulling out?

That can't be right.

The effectiveness of the female condom is due to the difficulty in using it correctly. Just look at it and see how it's supposed to ideally work. It just looks difficult to "wear."

On 11/26/2019 at 9:03 AM, UT_OB1 said:

Can they make a 5 or 8 year version?  I wouldn't want to subject a 5 year old to this, unless it is much less painful than I imagine, but I'd be all for treating this like a vaccine and requiring it to go to school for kids between the age of 10 to 18.  A 97% reduction in teen pregnancy would be huge for education, welfare budgets, future generations, and a whole slew of issues we currently have. I'm also assuming there are no side effects.

You and me both brother, but you know it would never fly. This isn't like a vaccine which largely has minimal side effects that resolve quickly. I can see critics calling this a new version of eugenics because minority populations would be treated at higher rate, blah, blah, blah.

[atomheartbevo 90143]

5 hours ago, UDontKnow said:

It did because Perry's wife was linked to the manufacturer of Gardasil vaccine. It's not like he gave a damn about the health of Texans otherwise.

It seemed like quite a few people in Perry’s orbit were taking money from Gardasil/Merck.    Whole thing was fishy as fuck.  

Edited November 28, 2019 by atomheartbevo

[Surly Bevo 25542]

i feel like this thread could use some context

 

Pull out guy needs to do some kegel work. Drip drip dribble.

[Deej 77298]

On 11/26/2019 at 10:03 AM, UT_OB1 said:

Can they make a 5 or 8 minute version? 

fixed it for everyone.

[El Diablo 4232]

12 hours ago, Deej said:

fixed it for everyone.

Married guys would still have to get that shot every other year or so.

[UT_OB1 2229]

On 11/28/2019 at 4:17 PM, Deej said:

fixed it for everyone.

5 to 8 minutes?  That seems excessive. I wouldn’t be able to go again 2 or 3 times in that window. 

Edited November 29, 2019 by UT_OB1

[Deej 77298]

Just now, UT_OB1 said:

5 to 8 minutes?  That seems excessive. I wouldn’t be able to go 2 or 3 times in that window. 

Exactly.

[berlinerbaer 681]

On 11/25/2019 at 8:30 PM, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Maleic Anyhydride is typically used as a combatibilizer in polymers. So if you have two layers of different polymers that don't want to stick together on a molecular level, you toss a layer of poly in the middle that has maleic anhydride grafted onto the molecules of the poly and every thing sticks together on a molecular level. It's also useful for mixing hot melt adhesives or making layers of poly stick to stuff like aluminum cans.

So I'm really curious what the mechanism is here.

I think you're on the right track. The MA groups will hydrolyze in the body raising the polarity of the polymer overall. This helps make it more biocompatible, minimizing adverse reaction by the immune system. Also, as the polymer slowly breaks down, the fragments will be soluble, allowing it to be cleared more effectively.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4980]

So I wonder if it completely plugs the vas deferens or if they have some sort of foaming agent that makes it into a fine matrix. Then as the maleic anhydride hydrolozes into maleic acid maybe it kills the sperm as it passes through?

[Jhawk 1075]

On 11/25/2019 at 8:30 PM, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Maleic Anyhydride is typically used as a combatibilizer in polymers. So if you have two layers of different polymers that don't want to stick together on a molecular level, you toss a layer of poly in the middle that has maleic anhydride grafted onto the molecules of the poly and every thing sticks together on a molecular level. It's also useful for mixing hot melt adhesives or making layers of poly stick to stuff like aluminum cans.

So I'm really curious what the mechanism is here.

As someone who doesn’t want kids, I’ve been following vasalgel for about 6-7 years. It’s an ionic deal in the vas. Semen will pas thru the gel but the polar charge at each end of the gel rips the sperm in half as it passes through. In the US they have completed tests on monkeys with a 100% success. Dogs didn’t do as well (different vas structure) and I think guinea pigs did ok but not higher than 90%. 

The reason I started looking at vasectomy is because this product seems to be going nowhere.  I’ve followed since 2012 and no major pharma company is on it. It’s all non-profit so funding is terrible. 

Also, to reverse, you get another shot of basically baking soda and water to flush the system. Since it doesn’t change anything to the flow of sperm you are basically live fire the day you get the reversal with no drop off in sperm quality that is sometimes typical in reverse vasectomy. 

Edited December 2, 2019 by Jhawk