The Batshit Insane QAnon Conspiracy Theory

[Irwin F Fletcher 3,550]

No surprise that Q followers are also flat earthers and didn't Michael Jackson settle a child sexual assault case for $20M? 

[Guest Lobo]

QAnnon, which as I understand it is based on an anti-pedophile platform led by Trump, thinks Michael Jackson was a decent guy who was framed/murdered? 

Let me guess, under Trump's second term---Jerry Sandusky will be exonerated and appointed to the Cabinet?  Roman Polanski will be pardoned, return to the U.S. and serve as propaganda minister.  

Any other famous pedophiles on QAnnon's radar?  

[SizzleChest 8,283]

Where is David Miscavige in all of this?

In a palatial mansion pissed off that Q is siphoning off Scientologists.

[kmac30 416]

Nothing about that. Only religiousness was Pope leading the evil side.

[Kyrie Eleison 9,312]

19 minutes ago, kmac30 said:

Debated posting in here because a) it’s not a board I frequent and b) there’s a lot of crazy out there.

But here it is. I found out on Sunday that my mom is a huge Qanon follower. At first I thought she was fucking with me, then it got pretty crazy and I realized she is so far down the hole I don’t know what will get her out.

Few topics:
* this election is good vs evil
* trump is going to lead the new world order in the right direction
* the pope is the leader of the evil and Catholics across the world are going to commit suicide when they find out
* Hilary Clinton was a man, she is dead now, and what we see are her clones (there are 6 of them)
* RGB was a man. She did not die of natural causes but was killed
* the earth is flat. Not sure she believes in gravity.
* no man has ever stepped foot on the moon. (Didn’t get a real answer on whether the moon is real or not)
* JFK Jr is alive and leading the good behind the scenes
* Michael Jackson was really a good person. He was framed and murdered. His Neverland ranch is in the shape of a Q
* there will be a new financial system soon (was supposed to be unleashed Sept 1 but hasn’t yet)
* NESARA (national economic security and reformation act) is going to be enacted by Trump - it is going to be so beautiful
* I only see what they want me to see (no one knows who they is)
* there are tunnels all over the world and they are used to traffic children. Trump has been blowing them up. He has also gotten every country to sign a treaty against il trafficking except China.
* when you are born you get a birth certificate. On there is a number. All of that information is sent to the Vatican. They sell it for gold to cabals.
* the gold used to do this comes from our government - from the taxes we pay
* there are tunnels that go down 800 miles into the earth. There are cities down there with people living in them. Pretty sure they are good people
* she sent me a video called Above Majestic. It’s insane.
* masks are all about control (govt control, not controlling the virus)

That’s all I can remember for now. It was an hour long conversation. She kept telling me how little I know about our country. She also kept telling me that I couldn’t share anything she sends me because I am not a believer (I’m not in the cult).

My mom is always right (I have never heard her admit she was wrong - she’s wrong a lot). She is so certain she is right in all of this. She changes past stories to fit her narrative. She is not the smartest out there. She claims she “feels” events happening before they do. She has always been a nosy lookie loo. She has been addicted to the internet for some time now (handful of years?). We have not had a good relationship since I was 18. I cannot stand being around her for longer than 24 hours. My dad is a smart man, but doesn’t wear the pants in that house. I am assuming he lets her go along so he’s not ruffling feathers. I choose to believe he knows it’s all bullshit (for now and until I know otherwise).


;:tldr; my mom is a QAnon crazy

[Guest Lobo]

Just now, SizzleChest said:

Where is David Miscavige in all of this?

In a palatial mansion pissed off that Q is siphoning off Scientologists.

You bring up a good point though, maybe it's been answered upthread---

Besides, shitty t-shirts...has anyone tried to monetize Qannon like in a tithing/donation kinda way?  

Levity aside, this does have to piss off Scientology and a few other startup religious cults.  They spend decades crafting their message, curating followers, adding levels of complexity to the pyramid structure to keep ascending members in check.  all the while building a massive warchest of cash and real estate with an army of lawyers, accountants, lobbyists, and grunt enforcers to keep the organization humming along...probably bribing police and government and judges along the way.  And they've stalled out at like 50,000 followers.  

And then these dipshits come along and in just a couple of years have convinced already millions of followers that JFK, Jr. is alive and has evidence that Trump is here to break up a big child sex trafficking ring...and because of that...Trump needs to be in charge of our economy?  

I have no doubt that in 2020, you can fool millions of people into some crazy shit.  You can replicate millennia-old organized religions in a matter of months.  But why didn't they pick something cool or useful?  Why is it always something dumb and pointless?  

[SydneyCarton 48,105]

36 minutes ago, kmac30 said:

Debated posting in here because a) it’s not a board I frequent and b) there’s a lot of crazy out there.

But here it is. I found out on Sunday that my mom is a huge Qanon follower. At first I thought she was fucking with me, then it got pretty crazy and I realized she is so far down the hole I don’t know what will get her out.

Few topics:
* this election is good vs evil
* trump is going to lead the new world order in the right direction
* the pope is the leader of the evil and Catholics across the world are going to commit suicide when they find out
* Hilary Clinton was a man, she is dead now, and what we see are her clones (there are 6 of them)
* RGB was a man. She did not die of natural causes but was killed
* the earth is flat. Not sure she believes in gravity.
* no man has ever stepped foot on the moon. (Didn’t get a real answer on whether the moon is real or not)
* JFK Jr is alive and leading the good behind the scenes
* Michael Jackson was really a good person. He was framed and murdered. His Neverland ranch is in the shape of a Q
* there will be a new financial system soon (was supposed to be unleashed Sept 1 but hasn’t yet)
* NESARA (national economic security and reformation act) is going to be enacted by Trump - it is going to be so beautiful
* I only see what they want me to see (no one knows who they is)
* there are tunnels all over the world and they are used to traffic children. Trump has been blowing them up. He has also gotten every country to sign a treaty against il trafficking except China.
* when you are born you get a birth certificate. On there is a number. All of that information is sent to the Vatican. They sell it for gold to cabals.
* the gold used to do this comes from our government - from the taxes we pay
* there are tunnels that go down 800 miles into the earth. There are cities down there with people living in them. Pretty sure they are good people
* she sent me a video called Above Majestic. It’s insane.
* masks are all about control (govt control, not controlling the virus)

That’s all I can remember for now. It was an hour long conversation. She kept telling me how little I know about our country. She also kept telling me that I couldn’t share anything she sends me because I am not a believer (I’m not in the cult).

My mom is always right (I have never heard her admit she was wrong - she’s wrong a lot). She is so certain she is right in all of this. She changes past stories to fit her narrative. She is not the smartest out there. She claims she “feels” events happening before they do. She has always been a nosy lookie loo. She has been addicted to the internet for some time now (handful of years?). We have not had a good relationship since I was 18. I cannot stand being around her for longer than 24 hours. My dad is a smart man, but doesn’t wear the pants in that house. I am assuming he lets her go along so he’s not ruffling feathers. I choose to believe he knows it’s all bullshit (for now and until I know otherwise).


;:tldr; my mom is a QAnon crazy

Do you have any kids of your own?

[kmac30 416]

I have 3 young kids (8,7,7). My mom spoke with my sister yesterday. She told her I didn’t know anything going on with our country, but that I have young kids and sports that keep us too busy to realize.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

This is the future of the GOP.  

[Biff Tannen 45,683]

1 hour ago, Lobo said:

QAnnon, which as I understand it is based on an anti-pedophile platform led by Trump, thinks Michael Jackson was a decent guy who was framed/murdered? 

Let me guess, under Trump's second term---Jerry Sandusky will be exonerated and appointed to the Cabinet?  Roman Polanski will be pardoned, return to the U.S. and serve as propaganda minister.  

Any other famous pedophiles on QAnnon's radar?  

One of the biggest manifestations of every accusation is a confession.

[SydneyCarton 48,105]

31 minutes ago, kmac30 said:

I have 3 young kids (8,7,7). My mom spoke with my sister yesterday. She told her I didn’t know anything going on with our country, but that I have young kids and sports that keep us too busy to realize.

Good luck man. I've considered what would happen if my parents went down this path before many times, and I'm not sure they'd be seeing my kiddo anymore. Good luck. 

[kmac30 416]

Good luck man. I've considered what would happen if my parents went down this path before many times, and I'm not sure they'd be seeing my kiddo anymore. Good luck. 

Thanks. I’ve already told my wife we’re not seeing them anytime soon and I don’t want her around my kids (we have always gone long periods without seeing them). Covid is a great excuse for some things. My sister claims mom wouldn’t say anything in front of the kids. From my past experiences with her, I do not trust her.

[kmac30 416]

Double

[SizzleChest 8,283]

Is the "you have to vote for Trump, it's not about us, it's about our grandkids" scheme that some of my friend's parents are using on them being used elsewhere?

Obviously, it's about them, not the kids.

[Sawbonz 27,561]

On 10/20/2020 at 1:17 PM, Neonmoon said:

compared with just 14 percent of Democrats.

Jesus Christ

[Guest Lobo]

Yeah, that one stood out to me as well.  That's not some outlier amount, that's millions of Democrats who thought, "Yeah, I mean I'll vote for this ground-breaking black liberal....but deep down I know he'll be deligitimized as a Kenyan Muslim."  

Also amazing is that a third of Americans can't name a single Amendment in the Bill of Rights, but they fully expect whatever those rights might be to be protected solely by Donald Trump.  "I don't know what I'm missing out on, I just know Biden's coming for it."  

[Francisco 2.0 32,392]

Talking to a friend of mine the other day, she told me her husband has fully bought into Q, Trump etc.  He was apolitical a few years ago (she still is) but something clicked and he changed. 

She told me that divorce seems more and more likely.  She can't stand to be around him, for every waking moment is about some conspiracy theory.  But the big thing...their young kids. The oldest (10? 11? I forget) is now taking an interest in this shit too.

I told her to get the kids and run.

 

 

[Guest Lobo]

^

I'm picturing that guy like my dad when my parents split up at that age, "You need to take more of an interest in your son's life.  Find something you can do together!" 

Dad: "Well I've got this group of friends I met online that I could introduce him to.  Really smart folks who know one of the Kennedy's.  They're helping design underground cities near the center of the Earth.  And he could earn service hours for Boy Scouts by helping them stop an international child sex-trafficking ring."  

Mom:  "I mean something like baseball, asshole!"  

[Herpa Derpa 6,126]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

This is the future of the GOP.  

Or, it's the end of the GOP.  We're due for a new party anyway, might as well identify all the imbeciles while it happens.

[TexasEd 8,067]

24 minutes ago, Herpa Derpa said:

Or, it's the end of the GOP.  We're due for a new party anyway, might as well identify all the imbeciles while it happens.

This is what I'm hoping for have a full split of Q-Anon as a political party.  Get all those nuts in one easy to identify party.  They will probably take most of the Tea Party with them.  This could allow for growth of something serious that is more moderate than the Republican or Democratic party.  I'd say Libertarian but that is not going to happen.

Edited October 27, 2020 by TexasEd

[Herpa Derpa 6,126]

Libertarianism sounds great on paper as long as you don't think it through.  Otherwise, it's just grad student bullshit willfully ignorant of the real world.

[Foosters 17,856]

4 minutes ago, Herpa Derpa said:

Libertarianism sounds great on paper as long as you don't think it through.  Otherwise, it's just grad student bullshit willfully ignorant of the real world.

This board's resident Libertarian sided with the police when they attacked peaceful protesters this summer. 

I think that encapsulates 20th century American Libertarianism quite nicely.

[Beau Vine 54,226]

11 minutes ago, Herpa Derpa said:

Libertarianism sounds great on paper as long as you don't think it through.  Otherwise, it's just grad student bullshit willfully ignorant of the real world.

Good friend of mine just got into Libertarianism.  She's a real estate broker.  I told her, "I have trouble believing a true Libertarian can make a living in a field where the government requires you to get licensed to work."  She claimed that kind of thinking was on the fringes of Libertarianism.  I sent her the youtube clip of the Libertarian Presidential debate where everyone but Gary Johnson scoffed that the government should require a license to drive.  I have not heard back.

Edited October 27, 2020 by Beau Vine

[atomheartbevo 89,665]

4 hours ago, kmac30 said:

She changes past stories to fit her narrative. She is not the smartest out there. She claims she “feels” events happening before they do. She has always been a nosy lookie loo. She has been addicted to the internet for some time now (handful of years?). We have not had a good relationship since I was 18. I cannot stand being around her for longer than 24 hours.

Is your mom a childless woman in her mid-40s with a spotty employment history, shifty boyfriend, lives off of her parents (but thankfully we got them to reduce her "allowance" to where she's living in an SUV instead of an apartment) and who does not believe in modern medicine and/or mental healthy therapy?

Because if so, I'm your uncle!

In all seriousness, I'm very sorry - I'm dealing with this shit with the afore-mentioned 40-something above, and I just ignore large parts of what she says, and just chip away at the things that she absolutely knows are false.  I remind her that it all started as a prank on a chan board (which she's been on those boards for years before Q became a thing, so she knows what they are capable of).  I send her the occasional clip of Trump saying things that run against what she believes.   I also remind her that she survived 8 years of Obama just fine, and he's a half-black Muslim, atheist, Marxist, Socialist, community organizing homosexual from Kenya, who was raised in Indonesia, and falsely pretends to have grown up in Hawaii.  I also joke about "when is Hillary going to be locked up by Trump, when he is out of office and a private citizen?" because even the most diehard Q fanatics know that Trump is not going to lock her up.

Our long-game is that we'll get through the election, she will see that nobody will take her non-existent guns, her social media, etc. and give her several months.  Either she will just fall completely to pieces, at which point we can get her in a mental institution, or she'll go back to where she was before Trump - being apolitical and watching Japanese and Korean animation on various sketchy services, and taking the occasional temp job when she needs something more than what her parents are giving her.

She, and probably your mom, have that really strong sense of needing to belong to something, and Q/Trump fill that.  We would love to try and include her in more family stuff.  As it is, we meet up with the entire family (lots of siblings) on Zoom a couple of times a month.  We mute her when she starts throwing the crazy covid shit out there, and she then leaves, because she gets into her beliefs on covid, regardless of the fact that she dropped out of college (philosophy major no less), and there are actual doctors and nurses on said Zoom call, including her parents - her dad was a doctor before she was born, her step-mom just retired not long ago, as a nurse.  

I know it sounds like we are just running out the clock, but I really think a lot of these people, once they see the election through, and see that Big Scary Things aren't going to happen to them, will revert back to whatever they were into before.  I think that could happen with your mom as well.

So just stay in contact with her, try to find something that could occupy her time outside of the internet.  If she has grandkids, you could push to have them see her more on video chats (but don't drop them off with her), including in daily video chats. 

 

[C-Man 27,225]

So, a lot of folks that don't know much about California think we're all a bunch of liberal, hippie, vegan bisexuals.  
In reality, CA has more loony republicans than just about any other state.  
 
 

Prolly because CA does more testing

[Irwin F Fletcher 3,550]

3 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Good luck man. I've considered what would happen if my parents went down this path before many times, and I'm not sure they'd be seeing my kiddo anymore. Good luck. 

This. I have two high school students who are a good judge of character and we (my family) all roll our eyes when my mom talks about why Trump is the chosen one for the country. If there came a day she or anyone in the immediate family was pushing the Q conspiracies I'd cut off access from my family immediately. I feel for anyone that is having to make that decision, but from where I sit it appears poisonous.  

[Biff Tannen 45,683]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Is your mom a childless woman

Does not compute

[Biff Tannen 45,683]

I've been trying to show my parents (both voted for Biden) the tenants of Qanon just to make them aware that these people are out there and they are fucking insane.  I think one of my sister's could go down the Q hole and I want them to be prepared to push back if that happens.

[CowboyFred 1,151]

An uncle of mine (not blood related but we Mexican so he's still my Tio) recently asked my younger brother about it.  Saying that his daughter and her boyfriend have been sending him these videos to watch about "crazy stuff happening in the US."  He asked because he admits he's not too book smart as he dropped out in probably freshman year but it didn't seem right to him.  My brother shot that shit down really quick.  I had to deactivate Facebook because of this shit.  It was so infuriating seeing this shit being posted and when you pointed out the inaccuracies or flat out incorrect content they are posting they, like GRHorn here, would just not respond or side step your comment with some other unrelated bullshit.  Another friend of mine got a little offended because she posted a picture with her new "Q" shirt and I responded with a laughing emoji and "you can't really believe this shit".  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

Thankfully nobody in my immediate family has fallen prey to this shit but fuck if they're not getting large swaths of the population to believe their bullshit.

 

Edited October 27, 2020 by CowboyFred

[Beau Vine 54,226]

There are a lot more semi-functional but mentally ill people out there than anyone realizes.

[DigglerontheHoof 21,199]

1 minute ago, Beau Vine said:

There are a lot more semi-functional but mentally ill people out there than anyone realizes.

See texags for proof

[Guest Lobo]

15 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Does not compute

One of my grandfathers died as a young boy.  
 

I’m starting to think one of my cousins out in hays county, she’s been like a sister to me and an aunt to my daughters, is starting to fall for this shit.  She went from a casual Trump fan to a diehard loyalist to now starting to engage in hoaxes and conspiracies.  Her daughter tested positive for Covid-19 last spring and the next day the two of them took my 92-year old uncle and her 61-year old husband who just had heart surgery earlier this year on a fucking Jill country brewery tour to prove that the virus wasn’t gonna slow them down. 
 

but she’s been starved for something to belong to since her daughters left for college.  And I fear this might be the thing.  
 

so of course she called my wife crying that they really need to see us all for thanksgiving.   I told my wife to tell her we can drive by their house and have a drink together on their front yard at a long distance, say a prayer and give thanks; and then go home and eat and video chat for dessert or something with other relatives in Chicago.  
 

TLDR—-given the election, virus, and pent up emotions—-this is going to be the most fucked up Thanksgiving in American history.   I’m glad I’m skipping all the drama.
 

  Hopefully Thanksgiving of 2021 will just go back to the usual shit about wondering which relatives are closeted homosexual, Family members asking to borrow money, my wife complaining that I had too much to drink at dinner, and all of us wondering why in the fuck Tom Herman is still coaching the Texas Longhorns.   Normal shit like that

 

[Brisketexan 105,139]

4 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

There are a lot more semi-functional but mentally ill people out there than anyone realizes.

A jury consultant shared that with me many years ago -- about 1 in 10 -- is what you and I would call "batshit crazy."  But they don't come across that way at first.  The person who waits on you at the dry cleaners, seems normal....believes that we are being controlled by lizard people under the Denver airport, etc.  We are seeing that writ large here.  If you do the math on US adult population (leaving out people under 18) is about 255 million.  So, at 1 in 10.....over 25 million Americans are the type of batshit nuts who would believe in Q.  The math seems about right, from what we are seeing.

[gyroprotagonist 2,592]

how soon will we get the 'hoarders' version of this on TV?

If Q were smart they would start monetizing the cure

[Brisketexan 105,139]

1 minute ago, Lobo said:

and all of us wondering why in the fuck Tom Herman is still coaching the Texas Longhorns.

You're a sick fuck.

[David Dennison 18,860]

NM

Edited October 27, 2020 by David Dennison

[Beau Vine 54,226]

24 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

See texags for proof

Stupidity is technically not a mental illness.

[Gatorubet 30,238]

There are a lot more semi-functional but mentally ill people out there than anyone realizes.

Swam’s ankle makes him semi-functional.

[NAVY 6,740]

I never hear about Democrats becoming libertarian. 

Libertarian is a good parking place for republicans that hate where the party is going, but haven’t broken completely free of the propaganda. Nurturing this group is worth the effort. They’re signaling they’re open to other ideas. 

[C-Man 27,225]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

I've been trying to show my parents (both voted for Biden) the tenants of Qanon just to make them aware that these people are out there and they are fucking insane.  I think one of my sister's could go down the Q hole and I want them to be prepared to push back if that happens.

I've been doing the same with my wife. She's very apolitical but her parents and aunt are hard-core Trumpers. Great people but Fox News P1's. I'm afraid the aunt might be a little Q-ey. So I've been educating my wife on some of the shit they're talking about. It's been great where in just the last 7 months, my wife has gone from likely leaning Trump IF she were to vote (she wasn't going to) to full-on hating of DOTARD. I still don't think she'll vote but she's seeing the light -- and I love it.

[staboner 4,969]

6 hours ago, Lobo said:

You bring up a good point though, maybe it's been answered upthread---

Besides, shitty t-shirts...has anyone tried to monetize Qannon like in a tithing/donation kinda way?  

Levity aside, this does have to piss off Scientology and a few other startup religious cults.  They spend decades crafting their message, curating followers, adding levels of complexity to the pyramid structure to keep ascending members in check.  all the while building a massive warchest of cash and real estate with an army of lawyers, accountants, lobbyists, and grunt enforcers to keep the organization humming along...probably bribing police and government and judges along the way.  And they've stalled out at like 50,000 followers.  

And then these dipshits come along and in just a couple of years have convinced already millions of followers that JFK, Jr. is alive and has evidence that Trump is here to break up a big child sex trafficking ring...and because of that...Trump needs to be in charge of our economy?  

I have no doubt that in 2020, you can fool millions of people into some crazy shit.  You can replicate millennia-old organized religions in a matter of months.  But why didn't they pick something cool or useful?  Why is it always something dumb and pointless?  

great post. the pyramid scheme bit there hit it out of the park. makes you wonder now with the internets what this infection look like? faster? larger? dies out quicker. same same, but different. really makes you wonder why the main monotheistic religions were able to pull it of so magnificently. 

Life is hard. The idea that any of us knows wtf this is all about is just pure arrogance. or fear. or both. the Q folks are just without a boat to call home. To say that is 10% of the general pop would be a dream honestly. 

yeah I know thousand foot views and shit. no one gives a shit. and they don't pick something cool or useful because they are purposefully anti-establishment. its just part of the deal obviously. No one goes to see Jesus on prom night

 

 

Edited October 27, 2020 by staboner

[atomheartbevo 89,665]

2 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Does not compute

I was making a bit of a joke, but actually plenty of folks have people they call mom or dad, that are not their biological mom or dad.  My in-law considers her step-mom to be her mom (which is frustrating because said step-mom has tried to talk her down from the Q bullshit on covid).

1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

There are a lot more semi-functional but mentally ill people out there than anyone realizes.

And they are willing to spend almost half-a-billion dollars to make their stadium look like the world's largest Krogers, and they'll spend $75 million on the chance they might actually win their division sometime in the next 8 years or so.

Seriously, there are, and arguably we as a society are failing to act upon it, or at least recognize it, and are setting up plenty of those people for problems down the line.

Edited October 27, 2020 by atomheartbevo

[atomheartbevo 89,665]

1 hour ago, NAVY said:

I never hear about Democrats becoming libertarian. 

Libertarian is a good parking place for republicans that hate where the party is going, but haven’t broken completely free of the propaganda. Nurturing this group is worth the effort. They’re signaling they’re open to other ideas. 

As somebody who was a Republican and then flipped to libertarian for years, before going indie, this is true.

And the flip side - many Democrats, rather than switching to the Green Party or whatever, they will actively work within their party to change it to go the direction they want it to go.  We former Republicans threw up our hands Seinfeld-style and said "fuck it, I'm out".

It's for another thread, but the Tea Party stuff had a chance to threaten the GOP's control on the right, until the GOP co-opted and brought them into the fold and under GOP control.  And I think the same can be said on a smaller scale for the Qanon folks, which is why you are seeing candidates openly campaigning with Qanon ties.

Edited October 27, 2020 by atomheartbevo

[NameAlreadyInUse 5,112]

condolences @kmac30

[NAVY 6,740]

11 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

As somebody who was a Republican and then flipped to libertarian for years, before going indie, this is true.

And the flip side - many Democrats, rather than switching to the Green Party or whatever, they will actively work within their party to change it to go the direction they want it to go.  We former Republicans threw up our hands Seinfeld-style and said "fuck it, I'm out".

It's for another thread, but the Tea Party stuff had a chance to threaten the GOP's control on the right, until the GOP co-opted and brought them into the fold and under GOP control.  And I think the same can be said on a smaller scale for the Qanon folks, which is why you are seeing candidates openly campaigning with Qanon ties.

Thank you for sharing your path.

I was right of center fresh out of the service. Mostly for the perceived patriotism. After a couple of years at UT I compared my core beliefs with the RNC platform and found zero alignment outside of background flag imagery. Peeked over at the DNC and holy hell, that’s me. 

Despite near total agreement with the democratic side, I wore the libertarian cape for years until I unlearned (or deprogrammed from) the demonizing bs spewed about half a dozen democratic politicians. 
 

Like you I’m listed as an independent. I fear getting trapped in any party’s propaganda ever again.
 

That said, I vote blue unless there is a damn good reason situationally not to. 

 

[NAVY 6,740]

BTW - I didn’t throw up my hands and say “fuck it, I’m out”. 
 

It was more of a “why the fuck am I even here?” 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

The common clay

[atomheartbevo 89,665]

The last gasp of a conspiracy movement that is within a few months of their God King Emperor being out of power.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,870]

 

[UncleCharlie 334]

I sure am glad Trump has rounded up the cabal of blood drinking Democrat child traffickers.

Its been 4 years, WHY NOT DONE!!!!

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