The Batshit Insane QAnon Conspiracy Theory

[Brisketexan 105097]

6 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

I think you’ve got that backwards, especially if you want to continue the comparisons with Germany. The brown shirts outnumbered the German army 2-3 to one and used violence to suppress the vote. Without that violence the nazi party never gains control

Germany is not the only comparison point -- Italy merits mention, too.

And all it takes is violence at the right pressure points at the right time.  Suppressing voters, or capturing and murdering non-compliant members of Congress, etc.  There are a lot of ways to use violence to achieve authoritarian rule.

And again, the mere fact that we're discussing it is a huge fucking problem.

[Sawbonz 27547]

Again violent removal of political opposition allowed him to consolidate power prior to the changes in law that allowed him to sustain it

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Can we not use Putin’s Russia as a model of how to disable democracy?  It seems like there are multiple contemporary scripts. 

[Sawbonz 27547]

2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Can we not use Putin’s Russia as a model of how to disable democracy?  It seems like there are multiple contemporary scripts. 

Can you point to the time in history when Russia was a functioning democracy?

[Brisketexan 105097]

1 minute ago, Sawbonz said:

Can you point to the time in history when Russia was a functioning democracy?

Why you hatin' on Yeltsin?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

14 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Can you point to the time in history when Russia was a functioning democracy?

Putin went from sleeping in his car to authoritarian dictator in 10 years and he didn’t do it with a military.  There was a continuous deliberate backsliding of their democratic institutions.  Kinda like we’re seeing now. 

[Sawbonz 27547]

20 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

There was a continuous deliberate backsliding of their democratic institutions.

Do tell

[BrickHorn 18219]

53 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Can you point to the time in history when Russia was a functioning democracy?

Do you think the United States will remain a functioning democracy in 2022? Or 2024? 

The right is attacking our democratic institutions for a reason: installing single-party rule. Whether that ends up looking like a more standard conservative autocracy or a fascist cult of personality is still up in the air. But establishment conservatives and populist morons are all working together on the first step of cutting liberals and centrists out. 

Edited June 22, 2021 by BrickHorn

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

3 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Do tell

Well, Putin came to power using media manipulations, blackmail, and false flag operations. No accountability early on paved the way for Putin to shakedown and compromise the oligarchs with no institutional checks on his abuses of power. Followed by a generation of assassinations, jailing of political opposition, revisionist histories, rigging of elections, and suppressing dissent. 

Before Trump mobilized an insurgency that successfully stormed the Capitol but failed to stop the certification, he was tear gassing peaceful protesters, shaking down state election officials, blackmailing foreign counties to investigate his opponents, pardoning his co-conspirators, and illegally spying on journalists and political enemies. 

Trump remains a free man in America today and the leader of one of the two major parties.  
 

Where do you see this going? 

[Sawbonz 27547]

26 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Do you think the United States will remain a functioning democracy in 2022? Or 2024

Yes

[Nolacycling 893]

1 hour ago, ROFL BOX said:

It's all easy goings right up until the end of the job when the customer comes outside & says "Hell, if I'd-a known you had all-a them Messicans up there, I wouldn't have let them on my proppity."

Overheard in Corpus bar." He does good work. But he's white.

[Sawbonz 27547]

12 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Well, Putin came to power

Because he was Yeltsin’s fixer. You remember the “war” in Chechnya?

 

One could argue that yeltsin started with good intentions, but any real shot Russia had at democracy was dead by 1992

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

33 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Because he was Yeltsin’s fixer. You remember the “war” in Chechnya?

 

One could argue that yeltsin started with good intentions, but any real shot Russia had at democracy was dead by 1992

The communist party was the main opposition to Yeltsin (and Putin in 2000), it was problematic.  Russia’s democracy was weak, we didn’t help much, and the institutional support wasn’t there.  
 

We just experienced a point when the military felt it needed to confirm the results of a Presidential election via press release. That is not great. 

Edited June 23, 2021 by Hugo Stiglitz

[JimmyJames 12271]

48 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Well, Putin came to power using media manipulations, blackmail, and false flag operations. No accountability early on paved the way for Putin to shakedown and compromise the oligarchs with no institutional checks on his abuses of power. Followed by a generation of assassinations, jailing of political opposition, revisionist histories, rigging of elections, and suppressing dissent. 

Before Trump mobilized an insurgency that successfully stormed the Capitol but failed to stop the certification, he was tear gassing peaceful protesters, shaking down state election officials, blackmailing foreign counties to investigate his opponents, pardoning his co-conspirators, and illegally spying on journalists and political enemies. 

Trump remains a free man in America today and the leader of one of the two major parties.  
 

Where do you see this going? 

Throwing trumps fat orange ass in jail. Or if not hopefully he dies. If neither he will continue to destroy the country.

[atomheartbevo 89654]

4 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Some of these folks are willing to die fighting for Donald Trump or whatever fever dream they get fed.  They’ve already proven it and our previous collective negligence on this stuff is how they’ve gotten this far. 

How many have "proven it on January 6?  How many actually died for him during The Great Storm?

Four.  The answer is four.  

1. Ashli Babbitt, a mentally ill Qanon follower who fucked around and found out with security.
2. Kevin Greeson, 55, died of fucking heart disease/heart attack. 
3. Benjamin Phillips, 50, died of fucking heart disease/heart attack. 
4. Roseanne Boyland, 34, Qanon follower, drug addict who died of a amphetamine overdose.

Excuse me if I'm not shaking in my boots over these people.

[atomheartbevo 89654]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Trump remains a free man in America today and the leader of one of the two major parties.  

Where do you see this going? 

Trump also cost one of the two major parties the House, the Senate, and the White House, all in the span of two years.

He's a fucking loser and a liability to that party.  That's great that he can whip up a part of the party to vote for him, but you know, kinda pointless if he causes more Dems to turn out.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

6 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

He's a fucking loser and a liability to that party.  

The Republican Party disagrees.  He is exactly who they want to be. The Party is the five alarm fire, not Trump. 

[Genco 3040]

8 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

That's great that he can whip up a part of the party to vote for him, but you know, kinda pointless if he causes more Dems to turn out.

Can you codify increased Democratic turnout into law? Because Republicans can and are in the process of legislating the opposite.

[Sawbonz 27547]

7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The Republican Party disagrees.  He is exactly who they want to be. The Party is the five alarm fire, not Trump. 

Can you find a link to Republican Party  membership in 2016, 18, 20, and now?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

1 minute ago, Sawbonz said:

Can you find a link to Republican Party  membership in 2016, 18, 20, and now?

They are more dangerous because they are losing power and not reforming. They are being rewarded when they cheat and there are no meaningful consequences when they lose and get caught.  Their agenda is to beat democracy to death until they win or die. It’s a kamikaze movement.  

[Sawbonz 27547]

4 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

They are more dangerous because they are losing power and not reforming. They are being rewarded when they cheat and there are no meaningful consequences when they lose and get caught.  Their agenda is to beat democracy to death until they win or die. It’s a kamikaze movement.  

How did the kamikaze fare?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

5 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

How did the kamikaze fare?

Poorly but the democrats aren’t exactly the U.S. Pacific Fleet in this analogy. 

[atomheartbevo 89654]

46 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The Republican Party disagrees.  He is exactly who they want to be. The Party is the five alarm fire, not Trump. 

They want to be losers?  That's somehow fitting I suppose.

For fuck's sake, Trump is siphoning off money that would otherwise go to the GOP.  You think Mitch is happy that hundreds of millions were donated to Trump after late October, hundreds of millions that are not going to be used to help Republicans in 2022, unless it's funneled through a Trump property.

28 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

They are more dangerous because they are losing power and not reforming. They are being rewarded when they cheat and there are no meaningful consequences when they lose and get caught.  Their agenda is to beat democracy to death until they win or die. It’s a kamikaze movement.  

They lost the House, the Senate, and the White House.  Boy howdy, that's some reward.

In fact, that seems more like a consequence of embracing Trump.

 

[atomheartbevo 89654]

Shit, if Trump dropped dead tomorrow, some of you would still spend the next three years wondering how he would do on the ballot if he was still alive.

It's like the Trumpkins obsession with Hillary's email, and later Hunter's laptop.

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

Trump was a circus sideshow and couldn't get elected until he did. Apathy towards him, his supporters, and whoever carries the water of the crazies after him will only blow back in our faces. Healthy skepticism of that whole wing of politics is warranted and needed so it can't latch onto whatever the latest conspiracy is that will drum up enough support to do the next crazy thing. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

It’s predictable what is going to happen.  Biden isn’t getting anything through the Senate.  Republicans will win the house in 2022 and open investigations into fake scandals targeting the Biden administration and Trump’s perceived enemies.  Biden will run for re-election and Republicans will not certify the results unless their guy wins, doesn’t matter if it’s Trump or DeSantis. 

[Brisketexan 105097]

It’s predictable what is going to happen.  Biden isn’t getting anything through the Senate.  Republicans will win the house in 2022 and open investigations into fake scandals targeting the Biden administration and Trump’s perceived enemies.  Biden will run for re-election and Republicans will not certify the results unless their guy wins, doesn’t matter if it’s Trump or DeSantis. 

This is 100% the play they intend to run.

[Sawbonz 27547]

59 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It’s predictable what is going to happen.  Biden isn’t getting anything through the Senate.  Republicans will win the house in 2022 and open investigations into fake scandals targeting the Biden administration and Trump’s perceived enemies.  Biden will run for re-election and Republicans will not certify the results unless their guy wins, doesn’t matter if it’s Trump or DeSantis. 

How much you want to bet the 2024 winner gets certified no matter who it is?

[Anastasis 23469]

3 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

One could argue that yeltsin started with good intentions, but any real shot Russia had at democracy was dead by 1992

And Yeltsin came to power, leading Putin to come to power, cause why?

 

Spoiler

 

Cause we intervened in Russian elections.

 

 

 

[Captainant 27655]

6 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

And Yeltsin came to power, leading Putin to come to power, cause why?

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

Cause we intervened in Russian elections.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tldr - bothsides

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

Russia defaults to autocracy; always has, always will.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

26 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

How much you want to bet the 2024 winner gets certified no matter who it is?

The winner getting certified and republicans refusing to certify are not mutually exclusive.  Point here is republicans will fuck around and the finding out isn’t guaranteed. 

[Sawbonz 27547]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The winner getting certified and republicans refusing to certify are not mutually exclusive.  Point here is republicans will fuck around and the finding out isn’t guaranteed. 

I think you’re moving goalposts. If the republicans are in charge, and they don’t certify, how does it get certified?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

I expect Biden to lose re-election so I imagine the republicans will certify their new king

[Anastasis 23469]

18 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Tldr - bothsides

I realize that close inspection of even a short timeframe in history, say 30 years, is tldr. 

[Anastasis 23469]

Also tldr, middle east history and impacts of American foreign policy. 

Can't expect short attention span individuals to even consider broader western power impacts. 

[Anastasis 23469]

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I expect Biden to lose re-election so I imagine the republicans will certify their new king

Biden ain't gonna be on the 2024 ticket. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Biden ain't gonna be on the 2024 ticket. 

I hope you’re right but I see no evidence to indicate it.  Biden’s a polished career politician and the perception will be  “stakes too high for Biden not to run.”  

Edited June 23, 2021 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Anastasis 23469]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I hope you’re right but I see no evidence to indicate it.  Biden’s a professional politician and the perception will be  “stakes too high for Biden not to run.”  

He'll be nearly 82 around election day. He won't be on the ticket man. 

[Anastasis 23469]

27 minutes ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

Russia defaults to autocracy; always has, always will.

tldr

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

14 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

He'll be nearly 82 around election day. He won't be on the ticket man. 

Still younger than several Senators including McConnell and Bernie. These guys do not give up power because they’re too old. 

[Anastasis 23469]

4 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Still younger than several Senators including McConnell and Bernie. These guys do not give up power because they’re too old. 

I'll create action for any amount you wish to wager.

POTUS is uniquely challenging position. Biden won't run for a second term. It's not a knock on him. It's just the reality of the position and the aging process. He is not inflicted with the personality disorder of his predecessor.  He's one and done. 

Edited June 23, 2021 by Anastasis

[Bama Chick 28596]

[Captainant 27655]

8 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Also tldr, middle east history and impacts of American foreign policy. 

Can't expect short attention span individuals to even consider broader western power impacts. 

Lmao so NOW you consider the larger context after showing your ass in the Biden thread re: hamfisted sanctions impacting our closest allies? Good for you for figuring it out, bud. 

[Anastasis 23469]

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

Lmao so NOW you consider the larger context after showing your ass in the Biden thread re: hamfisted sanctions impacting our closest allies? Good for you for figuring it out, bud. 

When it comes to things like sanctions I have always tried to appreciate the larger context.  I am glad that you have gotten past the period of time when your brain locked down if it tried to get past pee pee tape leverage. 

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

Ana finds a way

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

7 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

Ana finds a way

Highly appropriate to reference a story line in which a creature could assume both traditionally understood genders. This is both-siderism at its most primal.

[atomheartbevo 89654]

13 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

 

Actual qanon news in this thread!

Of course, Q is now out of the picture, but really, it's not about Q, it's about the Qanon friends you make!

I keep hoping these people will just latch onto the UFO stuff and ditch the qanon stuff, but oh well.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33869]

oh, well, in that case 🙄

 

[ROFL BOX 6649]

& Yet, when you explain that the Trump administration mostly employed people that were verifiable grifters, con artists, plead guilty to various charges, indicted left & right, they still try to tell you Trump was supposedly "draining the swamp".

The idea that Trump was after pedo's when he himself openly admitted walking in on Miss Teen America (or USA... whatever) girls while they were undressed... "Hey, I own this thing.  What are they gonna do?" & he also admitted to sexual assault "because I'm famous... they let you do that"), it 100% falls on deaf ears.

Add in the notion that apparently the Qcumbers seem to know how to find ALL the best child porn sites that supposedly "others" are going to & that further adds to the confusion.