The Batshit Insane QAnon Conspiracy Theory

[Gil Bang 26174]

[Longhorn_Fan68 34078]

#pizzagate trending on twitter again. These dipshits must be in quarantine and getting bored

[NWBuck 8619]

 

 

[NameAlreadyInUse 5162]

Ahh, so we're not waiting for Kennedy Jr to come save us all, instead we're faking this whole virus thing so we can round up some pedos.  That's brilliant thinking!

[Blotto 23974]

Those are Johnny Sack's kind of people. The kind of brave American patriots with whom he'd be honored to form a human centipede. Trump in the front of course, so nobody would miss out on the best part.

Edited March 18, 2020 by Blotto

[Bullneck 19454]

6 hours ago, NWBuck said:

 

 

These guys do have a thing about pedophilia.  Must be some bad memories they're repressing. 

[Matuka 1320]

ummm, that's not Oprah, that's a clone.

[SubliminalHorn 6995]

With reservists being called up, Q folk believe that 4/10/20 is the day a bunch of shit is going down. That’s why they say trump is pushing the Easter timeline for opening back up

[Matuka 1320]

And then there are the “mole children”...

 

 

[Aqua Buddha 14782]

A Q'er on my Facebook feed believes the naval ships are there to house the kids.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

7 hours ago, Matuka said:

And then there are the “mole children”...

 

 

I clicked your link. Wow. Some vivid imaginations there. Really too bad some of these folks don't just turn to writing fiction or screenplays or something.

 

 

[FWD 297]

They seem to be going back and forth between thinking the virus is when Trump strikes and brings the whole Q operation into action, and thinking the virus is a conspiracy to stop Trump by Bill Gates and his minions in the public health world. It's fascinating.

There is some next level shit too, theories that the vampire blood drank by celebrity pedophile rings comes from Wuhan and the virus is related to an attempt to poison it.

In other words, Q folks having a normal one.

[DigDug 1734]

On 3/18/2020 at 11:05 AM, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

#pizzagate trending on twitter again. These dipshits must be in quarantine and getting bored

Or they're planning on murdering someone again, then throw their hands up like.... who, us??  

[SubliminalHorn 6995]

I truly can’t believe that people who believe that shit exist. Bottles the mind. Sometimes I think that they’ve got to be bullshitting, no one really believes that, do they? But yes, yes they do. 

[Matuka 1320]

I'm fascinated in the gullibility of man, people will believe anything.  These are the same type of people that believe that buying Iraqi dinars will make them multi-millionaires when it's "revalued"...any day now.

 

[SubliminalHorn 6995]

Just now, Matuka said:

I'm fascinated in the gullibility of man, people will believe anything.  These are the same type of people that believe that buying Iraqi dinars will make them multi-millionaires when it's "revalued"...any day now.

 

A couple years ago a patient started talking to me about conspiracies about how the obamas and clintons and celebrities were soon going to be arrested. I had no clue at the time what the fuck she was talking about. And then she starts in on the dinars and asking if I wanted to invest. Again, no clue what she was talking about. 

I humored her and changed the subject. I looked up what she was talking about and realized that these people are fucking nuts. 

[Matuka 1320]

And there are YouTube channels devoted to "gurus" duping these poor schmucks and keeping them on the hook.

[MaybeACoordinator 8350]

15 hours ago, Matuka said:

And then there are the “mole children”...

 

 

So if these mole children have been kept underground for years and years, wouldn't that make them mole adults today? Or does being kept underground regard the aging process?

[Biff Tannen 46060]

1 hour ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

So if these mole children have been kept underground for years and years, wouldn't that make them mole adults today? Or does being kept underground regard the aging process?

[pyrohornIII 4844]

But Kimmy Schmidt was a mole child, she turned out alright.   

[DixonHur 11938]

Not sure if Q, but certainly qualifies as bat-shit crazy...

Woody Harrelson among stars sharing conspiracy theories that tech companies are using 5G to spread COVID-19

Spoiler

Wild conspiracy theories linking 5G networks to the coronavirus pandemic are being blamed for a spate of attacks on UK cellphone towers — and are even being spread by celebrities such as Woody Harrelson.

Fires at towers in Birmingham, Liverpool and Belfast have all been blamed on the conspiracy theories, UK officials said. The theories have ranged from 5G signals causing the virus, to the contagion being started as a cover-up for health maladies related to the networks.

UK Cabinet minister Michael Gove damned the tales as “dangerous nonsense” while noting that the damaged phone lines are crucial for emergency services battling the pandemic.

Yet the conspiracy theories are quickly reaching a massive audience — thanks in parts to celebrities now sharing it with millions of people on social media.

Former “Cheers” TV star Woody Harrelson recently posted a report “about the negative effects of 5G” and its supposed role in the coronavirus pandemic to his more than 2 million Instagram followers.

“I haven’t fully vetted it I find it very interesting,” he wrote of the report claiming “5G radiation” is “exacerbating” the contagion’s spread and making it more lethal.

That post got 25,500 likes — while a later one of a video showing Chinese campaigners attacking phone towers there got viewed more than 300,000 times.

Singer M.I.A. has also repeatedly tweeted about her fears over 5G — recently saying that even if it does not cause COVID-19, it “can confuse or slow the body down in healing process as body is learning to cope with new signals wavelength s frequency etc @ same time as Cov.”

The “Paper Planes” rapper even posted a photo of one of the burning towers.

“People in England are setting fire to it. They should just turn it off till after the pandemic!” she wrote.

Professor Stephen Powis, the UK’s national medical director, called the theories “outrageous” and “absolute and utter rubbish.”

Dr. Michael Head of the University of Southampton also told the Evening Standard that such “ignorance” could prove dangerous.

“Conspiracy theorists are a public health danger who once read a Facebook page,” he told the Evening Standard.

“The celebrities fanning the flames of these conspiracy theorists should be ashamed.”

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

Great, so the chemtrails are now in the wiring? Should I unplug the toaster?

[Grade of D as in David 13255]

2 hours ago, DixonHur said:

Not sure if Q, but certainly qualifies as bat-shit crazy...

Woody Harrelson among stars sharing conspiracy theories that tech companies are using 5G to spread COVID-19

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Wild conspiracy theories linking 5G networks to the coronavirus pandemic are being blamed for a spate of attacks on UK cellphone towers — and are even being spread by celebrities such as Woody Harrelson.

Fires at towers in Birmingham, Liverpool and Belfast have all been blamed on the conspiracy theories, UK officials said. The theories have ranged from 5G signals causing the virus, to the contagion being started as a cover-up for health maladies related to the networks.

UK Cabinet minister Michael Gove damned the tales as “dangerous nonsense” while noting that the damaged phone lines are crucial for emergency services battling the pandemic.

Yet the conspiracy theories are quickly reaching a massive audience — thanks in parts to celebrities now sharing it with millions of people on social media.

Former “Cheers” TV star Woody Harrelson recently posted a report “about the negative effects of 5G” and its supposed role in the coronavirus pandemic to his more than 2 million Instagram followers.

“I haven’t fully vetted it I find it very interesting,” he wrote of the report claiming “5G radiation” is “exacerbating” the contagion’s spread and making it more lethal.

That post got 25,500 likes — while a later one of a video showing Chinese campaigners attacking phone towers there got viewed more than 300,000 times.

Singer M.I.A. has also repeatedly tweeted about her fears over 5G — recently saying that even if it does not cause COVID-19, it “can confuse or slow the body down in healing process as body is learning to cope with new signals wavelength s frequency etc @ same time as Cov.”

The “Paper Planes” rapper even posted a photo of one of the burning towers.

“People in England are setting fire to it. They should just turn it off till after the pandemic!” she wrote.

Professor Stephen Powis, the UK’s national medical director, called the theories “outrageous” and “absolute and utter rubbish.”

Dr. Michael Head of the University of Southampton also told the Evening Standard that such “ignorance” could prove dangerous.

“Conspiracy theorists are a public health danger who once read a Facebook page,” he told the Evening Standard.

“The celebrities fanning the flames of these conspiracy theorists should be ashamed.”

 

Jesus Woody, at least you're not assassinating federal judges like your dad.

[Chooky 13337]

I like Harrelson. Damnit, Woody. Out of all the amazing actors in 'No Country For Old Men,' he's hands down my favorite in it. I seriously can't not watch when I run across it. 

[Gil Bang 26174]

Ol' Woodrow has smoked a little too much of Willie's stash over there in Maui. 

[HenryJames 67113]

 

[MaybeACoordinator 8350]

Then the "FBI" "arrested" him, more like. 

[bolverk 30228]

Interesting article from today's NYTimes on the psychology behind and danger of conspiracy theories:

Why Coronavirus Conspiracy Theories Flourish. And Why It Matters.
Unseen villains. Top-secret cures. In their quest for reassurance during the pandemic, many people are worsening more than just their own anxiety.

The coronavirus has given rise to a flood of conspiracy theories, disinformation and propaganda, eroding public trust and undermining health officials in ways that could elongate and even outlast the pandemic.

Claims that the virus is a foreign bioweapon, a partisan invention or part of a plot to re-engineer the population have replaced a mindless virus with more familiar, comprehensible villains. Each claim seems to give a senseless tragedy some degree of meaning, however dark.

Rumors of secret cures — diluted bleach, turning off your electronics, bananas — promise hope of protection from a threat that not even world leaders can escape.

The belief that one is privy to forbidden knowledge offers feelings of certainty and control amid a crisis that has turned the world upside down. And sharing that “knowledge” may give people something that is hard to come by after weeks of lockdowns and death: a sense of agency.

“It has all the ingredients for leading people to conspiracy theories,” said Karen M. Douglas, a social psychologist who studies belief in conspiracies at the University of Kent in Britain.

Rumors and patently unbelievable claims are spread by everyday people whose critical faculties have simply been overwhelmed, psychologists say, by feelings of confusion and helplessness.

But many false claims are also being promoted by governments looking to hide their failures, partisan actors seeking political benefit, run-of-the-mill scammers and, in the United States, a president who has pushed unproven cures and blame-deflecting falsehoods.

The conspiracy theories all carry a common message: The only protection comes from possessing the secret truths that “they” don’t want you to hear.

The feelings of security and control offered by such rumors may be illusory, but the damage to the public trust is all too real.

It has led people to consume fatal home remedies and flout social distancing guidance. And it is disrupting the sweeping collective actions, like staying at home or wearing masks, needed to contain a virus that has already killed more than 79,000 people.

“We’ve faced pandemics before,” said Graham Brookie, who directs the Atlantic Council’s Digital Forensic Research Lab. “We haven’t faced a pandemic at a time when humans are as connected and have as much access to information as they do now."

This growing ecosystem of misinformation and public distrust has led the World Health Organization to warn of an “infodemic.”

“You see the space being flooded,” Mr. Brookie said, adding, “The anxiety is viral, and we’re all just feeling that at scale.”

Spoiler

 

The Allure of ‘Secret Knowledge’
“People are drawn to conspiracies because they promise to satisfy certain psychological motives that are important to people,” Dr. Douglas said. Chief among them: command of the facts, autonomy over one’s well-being and a sense of control.

If the truth does not fill those needs, we humans have an incredible capacity to invent stories that will, even when some part of us knows they are false. A recent study found that people are significantly likelier to share false coronavirus information than they are to believe it.

“The magnitude of misinformation spreading in the wake of the Covid-19 pandemic is overwhelming our small team,” Snopes, a fact-checking site, said on Twitter. “We’re seeing scores of people, in a rush to find any comfort, make things worse as they share (sometimes dangerous) misinformation.”

Widely shared, Instagram posts falsely suggested that the coronavirus was planned by Bill Gates on behalf of pharmaceutical companies. In Alabama, Facebook posts falsely claimed that shadowy powers had ordered sick patients to be secretly helicoptered into the state. In Latin America, equally baseless rumors have proliferated that the virus was engineered to spread H.I.V. In Iran, pro-government voices portray the disease as a Western plot.

If the claims are seen as taboo, all the better.

The belief that we have access to secret information may help us feel that we have an advantage, that we are somehow safer. “If you believe in conspiracy theories, then you have power through knowledge that other people don’t have,” Dr. Douglas said.

Italian media buzzed over a video posted by an Italian man from Tokyo in which he claimed that the coronavirus was treatable but that Italian officials were “hiding the truth.”

Other videos, popular on YouTube, claim that the entire pandemic is a fiction staged to control the population.

Still others say that the disease is real, but its cause isn’t a virus — it’s 5G cellular networks.

One YouTube video pushing this falsehood, and implying that social distancing measures could be ignored, has received 1.9 million views. In Britain, there has been a rash of attacks on cellular towers.

Conspiracy theories may also make people feel less alone. Few things tighten the bonds of “us” like rallying against “them,” especially foreigners and minorities, both frequent scapegoats of coronavirus rumors and much else before now.

But whatever comfort that affords is short-lived.

Over time, research finds, trading in conspiracies not only fails to satisfy our psychological needs, Dr. Douglas said, but also tends to worsen feelings of fear or helplessness.

And that can lead us to seek out still more extreme explanations, like addicts looking for bigger and bigger hits.

Governments Find Opportunity in Confusion
The homegrown conspiracists and doubters are finding themselves joined by governments. Anticipating political backlash from the crisis, government leaders have moved quickly to shunt the blame by trafficking in false claims of their own.

A senior Chinese official pushed claims that the virus was introduced to China by members of the United States Army, an accusation that was allowed to flourish on China’s tightly controlled social media.

In Venezuela, President Nicolás Maduro suggested that the virus was an American bioweapon aimed at China. In Iran, officials called it a plot to suppress the vote there. And outlets that back the Russian government, including branches in Western Europe, have promoted claims that the United States engineered the virus to undermine China’s economy.

In the former Soviet republics of Turkmenistan and Tajikistan, leaders praised bogus treatments and argued that citizens should continue working.

But officials have hardly refrained from the rumor mongering in more democratic nations, particularly those where distrust of authority has given rise to strong populist movements.

Matteo Salvini, the leader of Italy’s anti-migrant League Party, wrote on Twitter that China had devised a “lung supervirus” from “bats and rats.”

And President Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil has repeatedly promoted unproven coronavirus treatments, and implied that the virus is less dangerous than experts say. Facebook, Twitter and YouTube all took the extraordinary step of removing the posts.

President Trump, too, has repeatedly pushed unproven drugs, despite warnings from scientists and despite at least one fatal overdose of a man whose wife said he had taken a drug at Mr. Trump’s suggestion.

Mr. Trump has accused perceived enemies of seeking to “inflame” the coronavirus “situation” to hurt him. When supplies of personal protective equipment fell short at New York hospitals, he implied that health workers might be stealing masks.

His allies have gone further.

Senator Tom Cotton, Republican of Arkansas, and others have suggested that the virus was produced by a Chinese weapons lab. Some media allies have claimed that the death toll has been inflated by Mr. Trump’s enemies.

A Parallel Crisis
“This kind of information suppression is dangerous — really, really dangerous,” Mr. Brookie said, referring to Chinese and American efforts to play down the threat of the outbreak.

It has nourished not just individual conspiracies but a wider sense that official sources and data cannot be trusted, and a growing belief that people must find the truth on their own.

A cacophony arising from armchair epidemiologists who often win attention through sensational claims is at times crowding out legitimate experts whose answers are rarely as tidy or emotionally reassuring.

They promise easy cures, like avoiding telecommunications or even eating bananas. They wave off the burdens of social isolation as unnecessary. Some sell sham treatments of their own.

“Medical conspiracy theories have the power to increase distrust in medical authorities, which can impact people’s willingness to protect themselves,” Daniel Jolley and Pia Lamberty, scholars of psychology, wrote in a recent article.

Such claims have been shown to make people less likely to take vaccines or antibiotics, and more likely to seek medical advice from friends and family instead of from doctors.

Belief in one conspiracy also tends to increase belief in others. The consequences, experts warn, could not only worsen the pandemic, but outlive it.

Medical conspiracies have been a growing problem for years. So has distrust of authority, a major driver of the world’s slide into fringe populism. Now, as the world enters an economic crisis with little modern precedent, that may deepen.

The wave of coronavirus conspiracies, Dr. Jolley and Dr. Lamberty wrote, “has the potential to be just as dangerous for societies as the outbreak itself.”

 

 

 

[High Plains Drifter 11159]

 

I had hoped that the virus would have killed off all these q idiots by now.

 

[Matuka 1320]

31 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

I had hoped that the virus would have killed off all these q idiots by now.

 

P.T. Barnum my man, P.T. Barnum.

[gyroprotagonist 2597]

7 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

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In rambling YouTube videos, Steinbart claimed that he was “Q,” was somehow in communication with a time-traveling version of himself, and would soon be appointed to run Trump’s Space Force — a nonsensical narrative that nevertheless won him the devotion of a number of QAnon believers. 

 

lulz

 

 

[Herpa Derpa 6308]

4 hours ago, gyroprotagonist said:

 

lulz

 

 

Can you say with absolute certainty that you believe it impossible Trump could appoint this guy to be General Space Force?  I can't.

Edited April 9, 2020 by Herpa Derpa

[NIUHuskies 505]

Coming from a Facebook post:

 

I'm convinced this Chinese virus was designed to destroy the American economy, and perhaps to take us over when we are weak. At the very least it was designed to destroy freedom. It affects the older people with underlying health conditions more than younger people. Why? Because the younger generations have been brain washed, the older people who didn't partake in the hippy shit aren't fucked up mentally enough to just bow down to the Communist agenda. Kill off enough of the older people who still have any sense, and the Communist Democratic party wins. This disease was created by Democrat Elitists with intent to destroy America, and I'm very scared it may work. Communism is so close to winning, and true Freedom is about to die. When you fuckers who think Socialism is the answer are at my doorsteps begging for food, just know I'll just as soon piss on your head as help you.

[Biff Tannen 46060]

5 minutes ago, NIUHuskies said:

Coming from a Facebook post:

 

I'm convinced this Chinese virus was designed to destroy the American economy, and perhaps to take us over when we are weak. At the very least it was designed to destroy freedom. It affects the older people with underlying health conditions more than younger people. Why? Because the younger generations have been brain washed, the older people who didn't partake in the hippy shit aren't fucked up mentally enough to just bow down to the Communist agenda. Kill off enough of the older people who still have any sense, and the Communist Democratic party wins. This disease was created by Democrat Elitists with intent to destroy America, and I'm very scared it may work. Communism is so close to winning, and true Freedom is about to die. When you fuckers who think Socialism is the answer are at my doorsteps begging for food, just know I'll just as soon piss on your head as help you.

Seems like a rational human being. For sure. 

[NWBuck 8619]

1 hour ago, NIUHuskies said:

...the older people who didn't partake in the hippy shit aren't fucked up 

You mean that generation?

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13616]

1 hour ago, NIUHuskies said:

Coming from a Facebook post:

 

I'm convinced this Chinese virus was designed to destroy the American economy, and perhaps to take us over when we are weak. At the very least it was designed to destroy freedom. It affects the older people with underlying health conditions more than younger people. Why? Because the younger generations have been brain washed, the older people who didn't partake in the hippy shit aren't fucked up mentally enough to just bow down to the Communist agenda. Kill off enough of the older people who still have any sense, and the Communist Democratic party wins. This disease was created by Democrat Elitists with intent to destroy America, and I'm very scared it may work. Communism is so close to winning, and true Freedom is about to die. When you fuckers who think Socialism is the answer are at my doorsteps begging for food, just know I'll just as soon piss on your head as help you.

That made it sound like a bad thing.

[DigglerontheHoof 21515]

7 hours ago, NIUHuskies said:

Coming from a Facebook post:

 

I'm convinced this Chinese virus was designed to destroy the American economy, and perhaps to take us over when we are weak. At the very least it was designed to destroy freedom. It affects the older people with underlying health conditions more than younger people. Why? Because the younger generations have been brain washed, the older people who didn't partake in the hippy shit aren't fucked up mentally enough to just bow down to the Communist agenda. Kill off enough of the older people who still have any sense, and the Communist Democratic party wins. This disease was created by Democrat Elitists with intent to destroy America, and I'm very scared it may work. Communism is so close to winning, and true Freedom is about to die. When you fuckers who think Socialism is the answer are at my doorsteps begging for food, just know I'll just as soon piss on your head as help you.

Does he realize Boomers were the hippies?   Sofa king stoopid. 

[Brisketexan 106607]

3 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Does he realize Boomers were the hippies?   Sofa king stoopid. 

Some of them were.  Some of them weren't.  The really amazing thing is that hippies or buzzcuts, and all points in between, the common thread of the generation is selfishness.  They are the "ME" generation, with remarkable consistency across the board.  They rode a wave of the greatest era of economic prosperity in perhaps all of human history -- most of which was an accident of history and circumstance (the USA's unique post-war position, which had us sailing for 30+ years), and they view that as 1) their birthright, which cannot and should not be shared with anyone else, and 2) as the way things still ARE, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary ("I paid my way through college ]$800 a semester tuition] delivering pizzas 10 hours a week, why can't you?  Lazy slackers!")

Fuck em.

[Biff Tannen 46060]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

("I paid my way through college ]$800 a semester tuition]

Shit.  My dad was paying like $300 a semester in the late 60s.

[Continental Op 3934]

11 hours ago, NIUHuskies said:

I'll just as soon piss on your head as help you.

So in the future I can have Medicare For All AND free golden showers?  SOCIALISM FUCKING RULES!!! 

[Kyrie Eleison 9312]

22 minutes ago, Continental Op said:

So in the future I can have Medicare For All AND free golden showers?  SOCIALISM FUCKING RULES!!! 

[BigHorn'13 3480]

46 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Some of them were.  Some of them weren't.  The really amazing thing is that hippies or buzzcuts, and all points in between, the common thread of the generation is selfishness.  They are the "ME" generation, with remarkable consistency across the board.  They rode a wave of the greatest era of economic prosperity in perhaps all of human history -- most of which was an accident of history and circumstance (the USA's unique post-war position, which had us sailing for 30+ years), and they view that as 1) their birthright, which cannot and should not be shared with anyone else, and 2) as the way things still ARE, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary ("I paid my way through college ]$800 a semester tuition] delivering pizzas 10 hours a week, why can't you?  Lazy slackers!")

Fuck em.

But fucking millennials amirite? 

[Foosters 18220]

12 hours ago, NIUHuskies said:

Coming from a Facebook post:

 

I'm convinced this Chinese virus was designed to destroy the American economy, and perhaps to take us over when we are weak. At the very least it was designed to destroy freedom. It affects the older people with underlying health conditions more than younger people. Why? Because the younger generations have been brain washed, the older people who didn't partake in the hippy shit aren't fucked up mentally enough to just bow down to the Communist agenda. Kill off enough of the older people who still have any sense, and the Communist Democratic party wins. This disease was created by Democrat Elitists with intent to destroy America, and I'm very scared it may work. Communism is so close to winning, and true Freedom is about to die. When you fuckers who think Socialism is the answer are at my doorsteps begging for food, just know I'll just as soon piss on your head as help you.

I guarantee at least 10% of this board believes in that or something similar.

[Aqua Buddha 14782]

1 hour ago, Foosters said:

I guarantee at least 10% of this board believes in that or something similar.

Texags prolly 99.9%.

[Storm the Field 5359]

Not surprisingly, when people are stuck at home with nothing to do but surf facebook, this Q stuff gains traction. Just this week, I've seen 3-4 acquaintances that I didn't previously suspect come out as conspiratards. They're going around posting links to these "Out of the Shadows" and "Fall of the Cabal" videos as well as tee nutjob Doctor "crushing Fauci,  Birx, the Clintons and Bill Gates." The comments to their posts are just chock-full of fellow Q fans praising them for finally seeing the light.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13706]

Not sure if Q related, but I'm starting to see more posts on Facebook that Covid is a hoax in the sense that it's not that big of a deal and the people that are dying are people that would basically die with their next cold anyway.

[Storm the Field 5359]

My theory is people are getting stir crazy and want to get back to work as soon as possible, so they're seeking out whatever sources they can find, however unqualified, that say "all of this was unnecessary, I'd tell everyone to go back to normal this second if it were up to me."

[Matuka 1320]

A few Qnuts are starting to become disillusioned though.  Many were banking on last Friday as start of "The Great Awakening".  This included mass arrests of liberal politicians, media members, Hollywood types and anyone else who has dared to ridicule them.

For most, however, it just meant moving the goalpost...again.

[Nolacycling 893]

Closure of pork plant in South Dakota is part of the Muslim Jihad plan to wean us off pork.

Is that how it's done?

[Nice Guy Eddie 13706]

1 hour ago, Storm the Field said:

My theory is people are getting stir crazy and want to get back to work as soon as possible, so they're seeking out whatever sources they can find, however unqualified, that say "all of this was unnecessary, I'd tell everyone to go back to normal this second if it were up to me."

With this thinking, the only way they could have then been convinced a shutdown was necessary is if there hadn't have been a shutdown and millions died. It might very well turn out that a this level of a shutdown wasn't fully needed but its one of those things that are impossible to prove or disprove.