Malik Jefferson

[taybo20 2815]

Damn sorry MJ

[Machinator 32097]

Cincinnati really needed linebackers, too.

[TexEx15 17444]

Bring him to Dallas.  Learn with Jaylon Smith, Leighton and Sean Lee.

[GreenspointTexas 9556]

24 minutes ago, Stampeder said:

He really should've come back for his senior season to refine his game.  Pretty clear at this point the coaching his first two years under the Strong regime was subpar.  Another year under TO might've helped him go higher in the draft and stick longer in the league.  Pulling for him to get picked up elsewhere.

This

[Viper 12011]

9 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

Bring him to Dallas.  Learn with Jaylon Smith, Leighton and Sean Lee.

would be nice, but I'm not sure they have room. They are pretty full at linebacker

[phdhorn 6224]

He might get picked up to do some special teams or something but I doubt he'll do much linebacking.  Scuttlebutt is that his exceptional athleticism isn't much above average at the pro level, and the game is too fast for him - still.

But, in what would turn out to be a miracle, a Surly poster (me) could be wrong and he could blossom somewhere else.

I doubt it, though.

[Laxtonto 11926]

How many guys is it that Have declared early for Texas now should have stayed another year?

 

Way too many flameouts 

[Post Oak 20182]

17 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

Bring him to Dallas.  Learn with Jaylon Smith, Leighton and Sean Lee.

Dallas has better LBs on the team already

[Burt Macklin 18988]

7 minutes ago, phdhorn said:

He might get picked up to do some special teams or something but I doubt he'll do much linebacking.  Scuttlebutt is that his exceptional athleticism isn't much above average at the pro level, and the game is too fast for him - still.

But, in what would turn out to be a miracle, a Surly poster (me) could be wrong and he could blossom somewhere else.

I doubt it, though.

His athleticism is still well above average, but that is entirely negated by how slow he processes things. If he vet picks it up mentally, he could be really good, but it’s not looking too promising.

5 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

How many guys is it that Have declared early for Texas now should have stayed another year?

 

Way too many flameouts 

A lot.

Charlie recruited guys to himself, not UT and a lot of the Strong holdovers, never bought into the new program, even the ones that had some success, like Malik, Deshon, LJH, etc., which is why so many guys declared early to their detriment.

[Brothahorn 10085]

Whoa!  Surely he will get picked up.  

LOL, why? Sergio part II

[sith_horn 2367]

15 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

Charlie recruited guys to himself, not UT and a lot of the Strong holdovers, never bought into the new program, even the ones that had some success, like Malik, Deshon, LJH, etc., which is why so many guys declared early to their detriment.

Your point about the players and Charlie has merit, but I think the argument that a career ending injury ruining their chance at the NFL plays a large part too. It's a legitimate concern that often sways their decision when it shouldn't. Brandon Jones and Collin Johnson made the wise decision IMO.

 

[TtomTerrific 200]

I remember getting breakfast at the convenience store/grille thing at the bottom of San Jac the summer before his junior year when I went back to school for a bit....I would start my day there before working out in Gregory and hitting a few summer school classes and he would often be in there with the other players going through the summer workouts.  He was always cordoned away from his team by a bunch of slick guys in suits who were fawning over him with forced whispers while he was doing his best to be polite while caring more about his head phones than whatever this latest hanger on seemed to be pitching.

I don't know that they were "agents" but they were definitely some sort of "branding, imaging, marketing" guys ....and back then, he was the face of the team and I am sure that he was being pumped full of how they were going to "take that to the next level" sooner than later.

Guy was and probably still is a freak athlete who is now, sadly, another victim of bad advice. 

Wonder where the guys in the suits are now?

[futureman 22411]

46 minutes ago, Brothahorn said:

LOL, why? Sergio part II

 

sergio’s problem was alcohol.  malik’s problem is offense. 

[Nope 3111]

1 hour ago, Stampeder said:

He really should've come back for his senior season to refine his game.  Pretty clear at this point the coaching his first two years under the Strong regime was subpar.  Another year under TO might've helped him go higher in the draft and stick longer in the league.  Pulling for him to get picked up elsewhere.

Another example the staff can use when showing guys they need to stay in school, along with LJ and others.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

3 minutes ago, futureman said:

sergio’s problem was alcohol.  malik’s problem is offense. 

Yep.  Sergio was a bad, bad mother fucker. Ask the Alabama tackles he fucking shit on all night in the Rose Bowl.  Had Colt not gotten hurt we win that game easily.  Because our front 7 was butt fucking Alabama until they got worn out from repeated 3 and outs and 5 turnovers.  

[hookem48 4631]

if you're going to try to make a living running around blocks you better be Derrick Johnson

[Nope 3111]

9 minutes ago, TtomTerrific said:

I remember getting breakfast at the convenience store/grille thing at the bottom of San Jac the summer before his junior year when I went back to school for a bit....I would start my day there before working out in Gregory and hitting a few summer school classes and he would often be in there with the other players going through the summer workouts.  He was always cordoned away from his team by a bunch of slick guys in suits who were fawning over him with forced whispers while he was doing his best to be polite while caring more about his head phones than whatever this latest hanger on seemed to be pitching.

I don't know that they were "agents" but they were definitely some sort of "branding, imaging, marketing" guys ....and back then, he was the face of the team and I am sure that he was being pumped full of how they were going to "take that to the next level" sooner than later.

Guy was and probably still is a freak athlete who is now, sadly, another victim of bad advice. 

Wonder where the guys in the suits are now?

Pretty sure that was the Matrix

[runthebone 7929]

12 minutes ago, hookem48 said:

if you're going to try to make a living running around blocks you better be Derrick Johnson

There's only one of those.

[MirrOlure 14607]

So now we have enough material for a “Get a Second Opinion” wing of the new Hall of Fame, featuring the inaugural class of:

Lil’Jordan
Malik
Chris Warren

Anyone else?

[mdmost 42775]

The list of future LHN contributors continues to grow.

[NowThis 931]

i never thought Malik wasn't that great at UT.  He was a straight line tackler, couldn't handle cuts at his size.  Should've been an outside pass rush specialist and nothing more.

also, long time ago, what was the true story of Sergio? Car accident ended his days? Refresh me plz.  He was a heck of alot more talented than MJ.

Edited August 31, 2019 by NowThis

[jeevsie 3720]

Well, that sucks.

[Bevo14 8260]

It was a terrible decision to declare for both him and the program. He would've had another excellent year, been drafted higher, and had more time to develop. We probably would've won the Big 12.

Edited August 31, 2019 by Bevo14

[Funk Doctor Spock 11912]

The best decision he ever made was fucking over aggy, and he's a HOF'er in my book for that.

[irishtexan 11442]

i never thought Malik wasn't that great at UT.  He was a straight line tackler, couldn't handle cuts at his size.  Should've been an outside pass rush specialist and nothing more.
also, long time ago, what was the true story of Sergio? Car accident ended his days? Refresh me plz.  He was a heck of alot more talented than MJ.

He had a car accident in college where he crashed into a building at like 2am, abandon the scene and went home to sleep it off. He wasn’t charged with DUI, iirc. He ended his career when he fell down a flight of stairs and smashed his head/fractured his skull, presumably while shit faced. Something like that?

[Zavala 1384]

4 hours ago, Stampeder said:

He really should've come back for his senior season to refine his game.  Pretty clear at this point the coaching his first two years under the Strong regime was subpar.  Another year under TO might've helped him go higher in the draft and stick longer in the league.  Pulling for him to get picked up elsewhere.

Yup. Sucks for the guys who didn't hang around. Kris Boyd and Devante Davis are the first wave of Strongs guys that went pro after finishing with a few years under Herman.

[Zavala 1384]

1 hour ago, NowThis said:

i never thought Malik wasn't that great at UT.  He was a straight line tackler, couldn't handle cuts at his size.  Should've been an outside pass rush specialist and nothing more.

also, long time ago, what was the true story of Sergio? Car accident ended his days? Refresh me plz.  He was a heck of alot more talented than MJ.

He was a party animal at Texas. Then after he's in the pros one day he just "fell down his stairs in his house and hit his head."........

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

1 hour ago, Bevo14 said:

It was a terrible decision to declare for both him and the program. He would've had another excellent year, been drafted higher, and had more time to develop. We probably would've won the Big 12.

Thing is, I don’t think he actually would’ve gotten any better if he stayed at Texas. I don’t think he would’ve improved his draft stock. So then it begs the question. How badly did he want to just gtfo? After a certain point, it’s almost addition by subtraction if guys that don’t want to be here decide to leave. The same can be said about LJH, and Kris Boyd 

[Bateshorn 9882]

1 hour ago, irishtexan said:

He had a car accident in college where he crashed into a building at like 2am, abandon the scene and went home to sleep it off. He wasn’t charged with DUI, iirc. He ended his career when he fell down a flight of stairs and smashed his head/fractured his skull, presumably while shit faced. Something like that?

Fell down the stairs, BEFORE signing his deal with Baltimore.  He never got his rookie contract. 

[Pato del Muerto 52322]

7 minutes ago, youdunnf'dup said:

Thing is, I don’t think he actually would’ve gotten any better if he stayed at Texas. I don’t think he would’ve improved his draft stock. So then it begs the question. How badly did he want to just gtfo? After a certain point, it’s almost addition by subtraction if guys that don’t want to be here decide to leave. The same can be said about LJH, and Kris Boyd 

Kris Boyd stayed for his senior year, was all conference in a passing league, and was rewarded with a 6th or 7th round pick. 

How did staying help him?

 

[closetohumping 17380]

1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Kris Boyd stayed for his senior year, was all conference in a passing league, and was rewarded with a 6th or 7th round pick. 

How did staying help him?

 

Not sure he should've been all conference.  He got lit up often.  Malik, Deshon, Williams all probably could've helped their draft stock by returning.  

[Hank Chinaski 6310]

3 hours ago, Johnny Sack said:

Yep.  Sergio was a bad, bad mother fucker. Ask the Alabama tackles he fucking shit on all night in the Rose Bowl.  Had Colt not gotten hurt we win that game easily.  Because our front 7 was butt fucking Alabama until they got worn out from repeated 3 and outs and 5 turnovers.  

Me, every time I think about that game....

[Juke_Em 47]

Welp, his career is in trouble now. He'll get a chance somewhere else but he's gonna have to really show something because LB is one of the deepest positions in the NFL. You can always find players in any round of the draft

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

6 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Kris Boyd stayed for his senior year, was all conference in a passing league, and was rewarded with a 6th or 7th round pick. 

How did staying help him?

 

I didn’t mean Boyd. I meant Elliot (i think). Essentially anyone that decides to leave early and either gets drafted late or not at all. Makes you wonder how badly they wanted to leave during the season. If you already have one foot out the door and you don’t want to be here, I feel like we’ve recruited well enough to let them go. If you want to leave, I wish you the best and hope you have a successful Nfl career because that looks good for Texas, but I don’t want you here if you have one foot out the door mentally. That was my main point.

Edited August 31, 2019 by youdunnf'dup

[Zavala 1384]

3 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Kris Boyd stayed for his senior year, was all conference in a passing league, and was rewarded with a 6th or 7th round pick. 

How did staying help him?

 

Work ethic. Becoming a better player. Staying power in the league because he knows he's gotta keep on working for it.

1 minute ago, closetohumping said:

Not sure he should've been all conference.  He got lit up often.  Malik, Deshon, Williams all probably could've helped their draft stock by returning.  

He was great in coverage, but just got beat from time to time by awesome recievers in the big12. The "awesome" SECSECSEC recievers got shut down by him so it's no joke he can play.

[Celery Man 20874]

I think Sergio Kindle is selling cars.  Ah, wiki says he's at Nyle Maxwell Chrysler Jeep.

[JimmyJames 12271]

8 hours ago, Bateshorn said:

Fell down the stairs, BEFORE signing his deal with Baltimore.  He never got his rookie contract. 

That really sucked. Cost him a good amount of money. 

[Eskimohorn 5610]

Your point about the players and Charlie has merit, but I think the argument that a career ending injury ruining their chance at the NFL plays a large part too. It's a legitimate concern that often sways their decision when it shouldn't. Brandon Jones and Collin Johnson made the wise decision IMO.
 

But thats not unique to UT.

[SDG 3319]

I remember when we were good at football.  This kinda feels like that. 

[futureman 22411]

16 minutes ago, SDG said:

I remember when we were good at football.  This kinda feels like that. 

get back to me in a week

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

12 hours ago, NowThis said:

i never thought Malik wasn't that great at UT.  He was a straight line tackler, couldn't handle cuts at his size.  Should've been an outside pass rush specialist and nothing more.

also, long time ago, what was the true story of Sergio? Car accident ended his days? Refresh me plz.  He was a heck of alot more talented than MJ.

 

10 hours ago, youdunnf'dup said:

Thing is, I don’t think he actually would’ve gotten any better if he stayed at Texas. I don’t think he would’ve improved his draft stock. So then it begs the question. How badly did he want to just gtfo? After a certain point, it’s almost addition by subtraction if guys that don’t want to be here decide to leave. The same can be said about LJH, and Kris Boyd 

Addition by subtraction to lose the one of the Big 12's defensive players of the year? 

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

1 hour ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

 

Addition by subtraction to lose the one of the Big 12's defensive players of the year? 

If a guy doesn’t want to be here, we’ve recruited well enough that someone will step up. Jefferson was good, but he was told that he’d be a 2nd or 3rd round pick, and he was picked in the 3rd, was he not? Some guys play college football with the sole intention of making it to the NFL. He didn’t want to be here. Him leaving allows new leaders to step up, and the beat goes on. 

Plus, I liked Jefferson, but he was a tiny bit overrated. He has a nice highlight tape, but he lacked consistency, IMO. Doesn’t matter, still wish him the best. Just my opinion.

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

This is not a binary choice. It's possible for person to  want to be here, but have other factors forcing him to leave. You guys take this shit to the extreme. If a player leaves it doesn't automatically make him a malcontent or someone who would poison the room if he stayed. 

Edited September 1, 2019 by Catdaddyhorn

[futureman 22411]

43 minutes ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

This is not a binary choice. It's possible for person to  want to be here, but have other factors forcing him to leave. You guys take this shit to the extreme. If a player leaves it doesn't automatically make him a malcontent or someone who would poison the room if he stayed. 

bullshit.  malik hated his teammates and the university and austin and wanted the fuck out of here so he bailed.  no two ways about it. 

[Napoleon 8596]

Malik never seemed to adjust to the whole contact part of playing linebacker.

His sophomore year he was shit, but his junior year he was better due to lightning Johnson joining the squad. His aversion to contact never seemed to be a good mix with wanting to play LB in the NFL.

[Machinator 32097]

 

[Zavala 1384]

Doo Doo Browns huh. Hope he keeps the dream alive and keeps getting paid. 

[Matuka 1305]

Well I hope the Browns' defense does well.

[Machinator 32097]

 

[LTtxfan 48928]