2019 Fiesta Bowl: Ohio State vs Clemson

[C-Man 27683]

2 minutes ago, clapclapclap said:

Ryan Day just interviewed with multiple heavily implied, "The refs robbed us."

 

2 minutes ago, texaslong said:

Ryan Day giving interview on ESPN. Seems to be blaming the officiating. He said calls didn't go their way. 

Saw that. Fuck that guy.

[Sbbruin 22078]

3 minutes ago, NowThis said:

3 steps with possession , then a strip.

In slo-mo it looks like he caught it, but in real time that 3 steps was about 0.5 secs.  No real possession in that short of time.

[UTEX_ME 4257]

7 minutes ago, Rip76 said:

2 white QB’s in the natty???

Someone tell Earl

[Surly Bevo 25654]

3 minutes ago, utee94 said:

It was called a fumble on the field when watched by the refs at full speed.

And then it was clearly a fumble when watched via replay.

So it was not a bad call, that's true.  But it was a terrible reversal of the correct call.

Anyway, as Dabo clearly stated, God hates the Buckeyes so it all worked out for the better in the end.

About that first part, yea maybe.  I get the sense more and more that officials just let shit play out.  If they whistle it there the play is for SURE dead.....hence one of the issues with "that's the way it was called on the field".   think in a lot of those turnover score situations more and more if there is a question they just let it play out and then let replay deal with it.  

Edited December 29, 2019 by Surly Bevo

[TwiceHorn 31977]

Yeah, that was pretty bitchy.  Won't find too many head coaches acting like that.

[AustinHorn 63]

No control of ball on that play. 

[clapclapclap 9000]

3 minutes ago, Augustus said:

dammit, I'm out of rep again. 

[C-Man 27683]

Just now, Surly Bevo said:

About that first part, yea maybe.  I get the sense more and more that officials just let shit play out.  If they whistle it there the play is for SURE dead.....hence one of the issues with "that's the way it was called on the field"....I think in a lot of those turnover score situations more and more if there is a question they just let it play out and then let replay deal with it.  

This. Let it go and let the replay tell the tale. Never possessed it IMO.

[AUS-97HORN 11990]

1 minute ago, Sbbruin said:

In slo-mo it looks like he caught it, but in real time that 3 steps was about 0.5 secs.  No real possession in that short of time.

you realize if he caught that in the endzone and got stripped after those 3 steps it would have been called a TD- right?  

 

so if its a TD if caught and 3 steps taken in the endzone, its a fucking fumble if caught and 3 steps taken in the field

[JOSEYWALES66 1850]

Hey Day, how about not going for the block on a punt when you would have received the ball around the 40.

 

[utee94 16062]

Just now, C-Man said:

This. Let it go and let the replay tell the tale. Never possessed it IMO.

Clearly possessed it for 3 steps without bobbling IMO.

 

So there you have it.

[texaslong 678]

I still don't understand why OSU didn't go for 2 on their last touchdown. 

[dcar00 14897]

25 minutes ago, mdmost said:

The Clemson Champs shirt looks like a Wheaties box. 

AGTG

[TwiceHorn 31977]

Although he did take three "steps," they were more like staggers while he was falling and trying to possess the ball.  

Regardless, either way that comes out, it's a flukey play.  The TD had they had it would have been a windfall, not a super-strong football play that the refs took away.  

Not the kind of thing a coach should really be bitching about.

Edited December 29, 2019 by TwiceHorn

[bamachine 1231]

21 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said:

Shut up, ur so jealous Clemson will eclipse you.

I am not even in the conversation. The team I follow is in it. One would be stupid to want the competition to get a leg up. You are a moron, if you would feel different when it comes to your favorite team.

Edited December 29, 2019 by bamachine

[Surly Bevo 25654]

4 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

you realize if he caught that in the endzone and got stripped after those 3 steps it would have been called a TD- right?  

 

so if its a TD if caught and 3 steps taken in the endzone, its a fucking fumble if caught and 3 steps taken in the field

You realize you fumble it at the 4 yard line, nobody recovers it and it rolls out of bounds at the 1 it's your ball back at the four, if nobody recovers it and it rolls out of bounds 1 yard further forward for some magical reason it is now no longer yours, it's the other teams ball. Lots of shit is different about the other side of the "plane", whether it should be or not.

Edited December 29, 2019 by Surly Bevo

[clapclapclap 9000]

3 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

In slo-mo it looks like he caught it, but in real time that 3 steps was about 0.5 secs.  No real possession in that short of time.

Exactly.  And the "You can't overturn something that close because they call on the field was a fumble" doesn't hold water because the refs are now going to go out of their way to let the play go on and then sort it out on replay.  Which is what all of us fans want.

The NCAA and NFL need to catch up with modern technology and totally reform how they officiate.  At a minimum, use replay to get it right, not adhere to some goofy "only overturn if it is clear and obvious."  Just get it right.

[texifornia 58745]

9 minutes ago, Augustus said:

 

[dcar00 14897]

28 minutes ago, youdunnf'dup said:

Good point. With that being said, why the fuck would he assume he was going to scramble right there. He had a clean pocket, if I’m not mistaken.

Fields was sliding left some I think but mainly the WR knew he was covered, as the safety was jumping the route, so he broke to the corner but the only way you do that is if it is a scramble play for the exact reason it ended up being a pick. It was an epic mistake by the WR.   you don't cut off the route until you are sure it is a scramble play.

[Augustus 3061]

Just now, dcar00 said:

Fields was sliding left some I think but mainly the WR knew he was covered, as the safety was jumping the route, so he broke to the corner but the only way you do that is if it is a scramble play for the exact reason it ended up being a pick. It was an epic mistake by the WR.   you don't cut off the route until you are sure it is a scramble play.

This

[dcar00 14897]

6 minutes ago, texaslong said:

I still don't understand why OSU didn't go for 2 on their last touchdown. 

neither does anyone other than Ryan Day.  

[clapclapclap 9000]

It's just so delicious today watching 2 teams that got favorable calls all year from their conference officials get sent home crying about officiating.  

[texaslong 678]

Just now, dcar00 said:

neither does anyone other than Ryan Day.  

Maybe the refs didn't let him.

[C-Man 27683]

3 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

Fields was sliding left some I think but mainly the WR knew he was covered, as the safety was jumping the route, so he broke to the corner but the only way you do that is if it is a scramble play for the exact reason it ended up being a pick. It was an epic mistake by the WR.   you don't cut off the route until you are sure it is a scramble play.

If Olave runs the post -- and therefore doesn't slip -- it's probably a TD in front of the mediocre white Clemson safety. Oh well.

[nunna yo bizness 1690]

Can't watch the games and read these threads so this may have already been said, but Fields has a weak arm.  Anything long, especially the deep outs, took forever for the ball to get to the reciever.  He nearly had a couple of those intercepted.

Also, it was a dumb call for Day not to go for two on their 4th quarter TD.  It ended up not making a difference once Clemson got the TD, but if OSU had held them to a field goal attempt on that drive that one point would have been the difference.

[dcar00 14897]

Just now, clapclapclap said:

It's just so delicious today watching 2 teams that got favorable calls all year from their conference officials get sent home crying about officiating.  

OU is crying about the officiating in a 35 point drubbing?

[texaslong 678]

1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

OU is crying about the officiating in a 35 point drubbing?

That one pas interference call changed the game. OU had 'em right were they wanted 'em. 

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1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

OU is crying about the officiating in a 35 point drubbing?

 

[Jive Turkey 12930]

2 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

OU is crying about the officiating in a 35 point drubbing?

Entire game is different if they call PI. /all Sooner fans

[dcar00 14897]

1 minute ago, nunna yo bizness said:

Can't watch the games and read these threads so this may have already been said, but Fields has a weak arm.  Anything long, especially the deep outs, took forever for the ball to get to the reciever.  He nearly had a couple of those intercepted.

Also, it was a dumb call for Day not to go for two on their 4th quarter TD.  It ended up not making a difference once Clemson got the TD, but if OSU had held them to a field goal attempt on that drive that one point would have been the difference.

actually it made a difference until clemson got the 2 pointer.  had clemson failed he would have been able to tie it with a FG(assuming OSU converted their 2 pointer).  with 10 minutes left the binder is in effect at all times.  just a brain dead move.

[aggie08 21732]

3 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

actually it made a difference until clemson got the 2 pointer.  had clemson failed he would have been able to tie it with a FG(assuming OSU converted their 2 pointer).  with 10 minutes left the binder is in effect at all times.  just a brain dead move.

If OSU had gotten the 2, then Clemson would have just kicked the easy XP to go up 4.

[C-Man 27683]

4 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

actually it made a difference until clemson got the 2 pointer.  had clemson failed he would have been able to tie it with a FG(assuming OSU converted their 2 pointer).  with 10 minutes left the binder is in effect at all times.  just a brain dead move.

And there wasn't even a mention of the decision on the broadcast. Just completely glossed over. It was a Charlie Strong-esque mistake.

[Sbbruin 22078]

15 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

Fields was sliding left some I think but mainly the WR knew he was covered, as the safety was jumping the route, so he broke to the corner but the only way you do that is if it is a scramble play for the exact reason it ended up being a pick. It was an epic mistake by the WR.   you don't cut off the route until you are sure it is a scramble play.

Exactly.  He sticks with the route and he may very well have scored.

[dcar00 14897]

Just now, C-Man said:

And there wasn't even a mention of the decision on the broadcast. Just completely glossed over. It was a Charlie Strong-esque mistake.

I think Fowler mentioned it later in passing but I'm sure Herbie and Fowler didn't want to blow up Day on national TV.

[nunna yo bizness 1690]

3 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

If OSU had gotten the 2, then Clemson would have just kicked the easy XP to go up 4.

XPs are always easy until you miss them.  It still would have forced Clemson to execute the XP.

[dcar00 14897]

3 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

If OSU had gotten the 2, then Clemson would have just kicked the easy XP to go up 4.

fair enough.  that kicker for clemson was pulling all his XP's though.

[Scholz 12291]

Fuck that homer fraud Herbstreit.

That said, Day is the perfect whiny bitch Buckeye HC. No, he didn’t catch that TD. No, it wasn’t a catch and fumble. Yes, it was targeting. Yes, it was roughing the punter. Yes, it was regarded to not go for 2. 
 

You lost in the first half getting FGs instead of TDs. Own it and quit being a total bitch.

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6 minutes ago, C-Man said:

And there wasn't even a mention of the decision on the broadcast. Just completely glossed over. It was a Charlie Strong-esque mistake.

Actually both Fowler and Herbie expressed surprise as to why Day wouldn't go for two.  Herb ended right before the kickoff with a critical, "Only Day knows why they didn't go for 2 there."

Edited December 29, 2019 by clapclapclap

[dcar00 14897]

25 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

you realize if he caught that in the endzone and got stripped after those 3 steps it would have been called a TD- right?  

 

so if its a TD if caught and 3 steps taken in the endzone, its a fucking fumble if caught and 3 steps taken in the field

the end zone is a different animal.  just ask Butch Johnson...

[C-Man 27683]

1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

fair enough.  that kicker for clemson was pulling all his XP's though.

He's not good. But at the end of the Day, it's a 19-yard FG. Day fucked up plain and simple. There is no rational reason why you don't go for 2 there -- unless it's the first half.

[Fudge Nuggets 19407]

17 minutes ago, clapclapclap said:

It's just so delicious today watching 2 teams that got favorable calls all year from their conference officials get sent home crying about officiating.  

Officiating was far from great in the LSU / OU game, but it made no difference at all on the outcome.

[dcar00 14897]

Just now, C-Man said:

He's not good. But at the end of the Day, it's a 19-yard FG. Day fucked up plain and simple. There is no rational reason why you don't go for 2 there -- unless it's the first half.

agreed.

[C-Man 27683]

2 minutes ago, clapclapclap said:

Actually both Fowler and Herbie expressed surprise as to why Day wouldn't go for two.  Herb ended right before the kickoff with a critical, "Only Day knows why they didn't go for 2 there."

Hmm. Missed that.

[dcar00 14897]

1 minute ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Officiating was far from great in the LSU / OU game, but it made no difference at all on the outcome.

I thought the officiating was great in the LSU game.  they actually called OU for the OL holding and PI when it was deserved.

[dcar00 14897]

8 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

Exactly.  He sticks with the route and he may very well have scored.

yep. and potentiall the worst case is he can break up the pass and live for another day.

[Scholz 12291]

2 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

I thought the officiating was great in the LSU game.  they actually called OU for the OL holding and PI when it was deserved.

Agreed. Must’ve been shocking to the cheating $ooners.

[MrPhlegm 3413]

neither does anyone other than Ryan Day.  

Ryan Day really needs to seriously consider to getting a series of coffee colonics. fix heem right up.

[Tribe171 10]

Ohio State was obviously the better team. But a combination of injuries, questionable calls, and bad luck allowed Clemson to slip by.

[Pablo 500]

33 minutes ago, Tribe171 said:

Ohio State was obviously the better team. But a combination of injuries, questionable calls, and bad luck allowed Clemson to slip by.

there wasn't anything obvious about OSU being better.  Clemson and OSU were very evenly matched, but Clemson had the experience and the bigger playmakers.

it was a great game...

[The_Great_Hornsby 3586]

1 hour ago, Tribe171 said:

Ohio State was obviously the better team. But a combination of injuries, questionable calls, and bad luck allowed Clemson to slip by.

Dont agree, from midway in the 2nd quarter till pretty much the end of the game, I felt like Clemson controlled Ohio State through tempo and good defense. They played disciplined and made great in game adjustments that ultimately made the difference in the end.