Chris Ash Defense

[ShowMeALoss 143]

1 minute ago, Horn80 said:

The Pirate says hi.

This LSU team is nothing like last year's and they still put up a good fight. I expected them to lose. We will see how Pirate does as the season goes on.

[LTtxfan 49358]

29 minutes ago, Mikey4 said:

59 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

  

Yes, on the 75 yard run, Foster had broken down in front of Thompson and was in a position to make a play, or at least contain long enough for reinforcements to arrive, and Overshown came in like a bowling ball and knocked him over. It was a high risk, low reward move that didn't pay off.

Just saw a huge overpursuit by Overshown at the 8:46 mark of the 1st quarter... He freakin whiffed on the tackle of the RB on a short pass play because he was not under control and used a poor pursuit angle.  On the same play CADEN  lowered his head, lunged and whiffed on his tackle too.   Wtf!!!

Also, the Horns defense may be susceptible to giving up big plays on reverses against fast teams like blOU.

Edited September 27, 2020 by LTtxfan

[SquishMitten 10435]

Until we see how they learn from this week, I’m just going to enjoy the thrilling finish. Lot of problems on display though. Reeeeaaaallllyyy hoping this was a product of bravado. Sometimes a swift kick to the nuts will fix a lot of problems. Fingers crossed!

[LTtxfan 49358]

10 minutes ago, Horn80 said:

The Pirate says hi.

Boy didn't LSU learn about the Air Raid yesterday... 😂😂😂

[Horn80 6131]

1 minute ago, LTtxfan said:

Boy didn't LSU learn about the Air Raid yesterday... 😂😂😂

Leach sets SEC passing record and beats defending national champ in first game.  😂 

[Pato del Muerto 52601]

15 minutes ago, USNALonghorn said:

Ash made a name for himself stopping Big-10 offenses. Herman gambled his job on whether he can adapt to defending the spread or not. Not ideal.

He had better be a quick learner. Oh he’s a meathead?  And we won’t fire anyone and take the additional financial hit?  Things looking great for the next 4 years on the gridiron. 

[LTtxfan 49358]

Mitchell at LB is lazy... saw him jogging around several times where he could have helped later on a play if he cared more.

[6th Street 6508]

21 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

He had better be a quick learner. Oh he’s a meathead?  And we won’t fire anyone and take the additional financial hit?  Things looking great for the next 4 years on the gridiron. 

Herman's contract runs through 2021. With the program struggling financially they will have to let him and his OC/DC play out his final year as a lame duck. Will be a Mike D'Antoni situation. 

[Nivek 16986]

Orgeron in a mediocre coach but made good hires, has a lot of loyal local talent, and got out of his coordinators' way.    I am not surprised Leech was able to clown Bo Pelini again.  

[LTtxfan 49358]

1 hour ago, 6th Street said:

Herman's contract runs through 2021. With the program struggling financially they will have to let him and his OC/DC play out his final year as a lame duck. Will be a Mike D'Antoni situation. 

According to FCB, Herman's contract is thru 2023...

Tom Herman is set to earn $6 million in 2020**; $6.25 million in 2021; $6.5 million in 2022; and $6.75 million in 2023.

**Doesn't include adjustments due to Covid decreases for 2020 Season

https://247sports.com/college/texas/Article/Texas-Longhorns-football-assistant-coaches-raises-Herb-Hand-Stan-Drayton-Yancy-McKnight-Mark-Hagen-146782926/

 

Edited September 27, 2020 by LTtxfan

[scottsins 1969]

It's like we forgot that Greg Robinson did exactly this (teach the team to tackle), but in a week. 

What Greg did was...simplify the looks, disguises, etc. Once he did that, the “thought processes” were very basic without players constantly wondering about where they needed to be and where their help and leverage was coming from. They just “knew” where to be, went there, and made plays.

I vast numbers of missed tackles are missed before they are attempted. Weak arm tackles, if you watch closely, often occur when the ball carrier has already gotten across the defender who is in a poor position. Said defender, at that point, can’t do shut but lunge in desperation.

[USNALonghorn 5078]

2 minutes ago, scottsins said:

 

What Greg did was...simplify the looks, disguises, etc. Once he did that, the “thought processes” were very basic without players constantly wondering about where they needed to be and where their help and leverage was coming from. They just “knew” where to be, went there, and made plays.

I vast numbers of missed tackles are missed before they are attempted. Weak arm tackles, if you watch closely, often occur when the ball carrier has already gotten across the defender who is in a poor position. Said defender, at that point, can’t do shut but lunge in desperation.

 

GR also had the luxury of having: Jackson Jeffcoat, Malcom Brown, Chris Whaley, Jordan Hicks (until injured), Quandre Diggs, Adrian Phillips, and Carrington Byndum. 

[OU Sucks 8916]

I've watched this long Tceh run about 10 times, and it's sad to see how terrible our D was.  It looks like BJ Foster comes in, but instead of sealing off the edge, he cannonballs into our own player, blocking him and another defender out.  Juwan Mitchell, meanwhile, figures all is fine and gives up on the play until speed racer runs right by him.

 

Edited September 27, 2020 by OU Sucks

[LTtxfan 49358]

2 minutes ago, OU Sucks said:

I've watched this long Tceh run about 10 times, and it's sad to see how terrible our D was.  It looks like BJ Foster comes in, but instead of sealing off the edge, he rams into our own player, blocking him and another defender out.  Juwan Mitchell, meanwhile, figures all is fine and gives up on the play until speed racer runs right by him.

 

Juwan may be more talented than other LBs on the Horns roster, but based on his effort on several plays yesterday I wonder if he should be playing at all...

[B00M 6463]

5 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Juwan may be more talented than other LBs on the Horns roster, but based on his effort on several plays yesterday I wonder if he should be playing at all...

Our defense clearly lacked fundamentals and give a fuck. Did the walk on get any snaps?

[cam4mav 771]

On 9/24/2020 at 12:02 AM, cam4mav said:

Our D when we won in 05 was 4-3, special athlete at WILL (Kelson - safety turned LB), ELITE safeties and very good CB's, and basic scheme that let our fast players play fast and do their thing.

 

just saying

I have no idea what I was saying here, as it's totally irrelevant to our D this year 🤣

 

UTEP must be really really bad

[shakahorn 1645]

2 hours ago, SquishMitten said:

Until we see how they learn from this week, I’m just going to enjoy the thrilling finish. Lot of problems on display though. Reeeeaaaallllyyy hoping this was a product of bravado. Sometimes a swift kick to the nuts will fix a lot of problems. Fingers crossed!

I can't count the number of years I've crossed my fingers, only to be disappointed.  This is Texas Football.

[Neonmoon 38130]

26 minutes ago, OU Sucks said:

I've watched this long Tceh run about 10 times, and it's sad to see how terrible our D was.  It looks like BJ Foster comes in, but instead of sealing off the edge, he cannonballs into our own player, blocking him and another defender out.  Juwan Mitchell, meanwhile, figures all is fine and gives up on the play until speed racer runs right by him.

was that Jamison who initially seals the edge and reaches the RB but his little arm tackle is easily broken. Our DBs need to learn to give a fuck. 

[satyanash 14630]

2 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

was that Jamison who initially seals the edge and reaches the RB but his little arm tackle is easily broken. Our DBs need to learn to give a fuck. 

That looked like #46 Ossai. He over-pursued and the Tech RB simply cut back inside.

[Funk Doctor Spock 12512]

Juwan Mitchell is fucking useless. He's a headcase and doesn't give a fuck. He's also moderately talented, but that's about it. I couldn't give a fuck less if he left the team. He's not talented enough for me to give a fuck. 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10357]

3 hours ago, 6th Street said:

I think we can agree this was a trash hire, and one that will ultimately cost Herman his job here 

Disagree, I think it's the one that keeps him here.

[LTtxfan 49358]

50 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Disagree, I think it's the one that keeps him here.

Yeah, Ash is trying to resurrect his career -- this defense should start improving during this Season...

[Reese Bennett 3616]

Clear to me that the high temps affected the DL. On several occasions, the big boys looked to stop and try to bat the ball down instead of putting in the effort to get to the QB. I expect them to play better in cooler weather. No excuses for tackling though.

[LTtxfan 49358]

1 hour ago, Reese Bennett said:

Clear to me that the high temps affected the DL. On several occasions, the big boys looked to stop and try to bat the ball down instead of putting in the effort to get to the QB. I expect them to play better in cooler weather. No excuses for tackling though.

Yeah, the Horns offensive struggles in 3rd quarter kept our defense on the field way too much... both the excessive heat and physical conditioning hampered the entire TEXAS defense during the 2nd half.

 

[bigcigar 1165]

7 hours ago, SquishMitten said:

Until we see how they learn from this week, I’m just going to enjoy the thrilling finish. Lot of problems on display though. Reeeeaaaallllyyy hoping this was a product of bravado. Sometimes a swift kick to the nuts will fix a lot of problems. Fingers crossed!

Yeah...that’s never really the case

[Mikey4 2476]

I've watched this long Tceh run about 10 times, and it's sad to see how terrible our D was.  It looks like BJ Foster comes in, but instead of sealing off the edge, he cannonballs into our own player, blocking him and another defender out.  Juwan Mitchell, meanwhile, figures all is fine and gives up on the play until speed racer runs right by him.
 

Foster was in good position on that play. Overshown comes barreling in from the side, falls down between Foster and Thompson, and makes it impossible for Foster to make a tackle.

[Rimbo 26114]

Just saying.

Tackling matters.

[OU Sucks 8916]

23 minutes ago, Mikey4 said:

6 hours ago, OU Sucks said:

I've watched this long Tceh run about 10 times, and it's sad to see how terrible our D was.  It looks like BJ Foster comes in, but instead of sealing off the edge, he cannonballs into our own player, blocking him and another defender out.  Juwan Mitchell, meanwhile, figures all is fine and gives up on the play until speed racer runs right by him.
 

Foster was in good position on that play. Overshown comes barreling in from the side, falls down between Foster and Thompson, and makes it impossible for Foster to make a tackle.

Overshown was going around the Tceh players to make the tackle.  BJ is the one who barreled into his back, taking him out instead of sealing the edge.

Edited September 28, 2020 by OU Sucks

[Mikey4 2476]

Overshown was going around the Tceh players to make the tackle.  BJ is the one who barreled into his back, taking him out instead of cutting off the edge.

That highlight clip doesn't show the play from a very good angle. If you watch the full recording, there are a couple of better angles, including one from the perspective of the offense. You can see Foster broken down, keeping Thompson in front of him. At that point, Foster is in position to seal the edge or track Thompson inside if he breaks that way. Overshown comes charging over, starts falling between Foster and Thompson, and essentially serves as an extra blocker for Thompson. Foster ends up diving over Overshown to try to make a play, but it was nearly impossible when he's having to reach over/through his own teammate to try to make a tackle.

[OU Sucks 8916]

2 minutes ago, Mikey4 said:

3 minutes ago, OU Sucks said:

Overshown was going around the Tceh players to make the tackle.  BJ is the one who barreled into his back, taking him out instead of cutting off the edge.

That highlight clip doesn't show the play from a very good angle. If you watch the full recording, there are a couple of better angles, including one from the perspective of the offense. You can see Foster broken down, keeping Thompson in front of him. At that point, Foster is in position to seal the edge or track Thompson inside if he breaks that way. Overshown comes charging over, starts falling between Foster and Thompson, and essentially serves as an extra blocker for Thompson. Foster ends up diving over Overshown to try to make a play, but it was nearly impossible when he's having to reach over/through his own teammate to try to make a tackle.

I'll take your word for it, then.  It was just one clusterfuck in a game full of clusterfucks that we better figure out quickly.

[dcar00 14367]

4 minutes ago, OU Sucks said:

Overshown was going around the Tceh players to make the tackle.  BJ is the one who barreled into his back, taking him out instead of sealing the edge.

exactly.  we had the place BJ went to covered.  we didn't need another player there.

[Mikey4 2476]

I'll take your word for it, then.  It was just one clusterfuck in a game full of clusterfucks that we better figure out quickly.

Massive clusterfuck. I'm sure they all fucked it up in one way or another. What an abortion of a play.

[dcar00 14367]

5 minutes ago, Mikey4 said:

18 minutes ago, OU Sucks said:

I'll take your word for it, then.  It was just one clusterfuck in a game full of clusterfucks that we better figure out quickly.

Massive clusterfuck. I'm sure they all fucked it up in one way or another. What an abortion of a play.

the crazy thing is the abortion actually allowed us to win. if he gets tackled for a first they probably win the game.

[South Austin 52607]

1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

the crazy thing is the abortion actually allowed us to win. if he gets tackled for a first they probably win the game.

Was just about to post this. This defensive stand would be horrendously shitty at any time during a game. But at that particular point it quickly handed the ball back to Sam, and he never gave it up until he scored the go-ahead TD in overtime.

[OU Sucks 8916]

14 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

the crazy thing is the abortion actually allowed us to win. if he gets tackled for a first they probably win the game.

Yeah, I was thinking about that, too.  If Overshown could've made the tackle at the 26, it would have set up at 3rd and 6, down 8, which would have been preferable.  But once he made the 32 yard line, it's a good thing no one tackled him.

[Mikey4 2476]

Here are some shots of that play from the perspective of the offense. In the first one, you can see Foster broken down, keeping the play in front of him. He's not charging into anyone but is moving laterally to track Thompson.

Here you see Overshown's helmet peeking through between Foster and Thompson.

You can't see it too well from this angle, but Overshown is directly between Foster and Thompson at this point

Foster trying to get to Thompson, but Overshown is on the ground between the two. There's no way he can make the play now.

 

 

[LTtxfan 49358]

 

[BabaYaga 15320]

1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:

 

Blame =/= accountability.  Holding each other accountable for execution needs to happen.  Tech has always been difficult to defend.  Hoping a more simplistic TCU offense helps the team rebound.  

[fellside 1114]

One crazy stat?  Texas Tech scored on only 3 of their first 9 offensive possessions.

I feel like we would take 3/9 in most Big 12 games.  It fell apart after that though.

[Mikey4 2476]

The first half felt like we weren't playing our best, but we just fell apart in the 3rd quarter. I really wonder if the heat, sun, and lack of conditioning contributed. By the time we started clicking again, the sun was low enough that it wasn't directly hitting the field.

[BrazilHorn 6633]

I am not offering an excuse for the shitty tackling and poor LB play, but if OL are going to be allowed to do everything to a DL short of forcible anal entry then it is going to be a long fucking season.

The lack of holding calls on Tech's OL were egregious.

[Mdhorn 5987]

12 hours ago, South Austin said:

Was just about to post this. This defensive stand would be horrendously shitty at any time during a game. But at that particular point it quickly handed the ball back to Sam, and he never gave it up until he scored the go-ahead TD in overtime.

Was also thinking about how the foot not called out of bounds for their td worked out in the end for the same reason.  

[Fondren & Main 6742]

This defense has potential to be great.  Some real jeckyl and Hyde play on Saturday.  The stupid turnovers and offense fucking a goat in the second half really need to not happen again.

[Burt Macklin 19053]

1 minute ago, Fondren & Main said:

This defense has potential to be great.  Some real jeckyl and Hyde play on Saturday.  The stupid turnovers and offense fucking a goat in the second half really need to not happen again.

 

[Fondren & Main 6742]

1 minute ago, Burt Macklin said:

 

The overtime stonewall is my expectation for the defense.  
 

I would also say that special teams was the most horrendous unit on the field Saturday.

Edited September 28, 2020 by Fondren & Main

[Burt Macklin 19053]

Just now, Fondren & Main said:

The overtime stonewall is my expectation for the defense.  

That was Tech self-imploding. There is no chance at us having a great defense this year. We don’t know what we’re doing, have no awareness, and can’t tackle. At best, we could improve to decent/solid by the end of the season. 

[LTtxfan 49358]

2 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

This defense has potential to be great.  Some real jeckyl and Hyde play on Saturday.  The stupid turnovers and offense fucking a goat in the second half really need to not happen again.

Need to see this defense get better as the season progresses while TEXAS keeps winning games.  

The last two games of the regular season are Okie Lite at home, and then K-State on the road.

 

[Fondren & Main 6742]

1 minute ago, Burt Macklin said:

That was Tech self-imploding. There is no chance at us having a great defense this year. We don’t know what we’re doing, have no awareness, and can’t tackle. At best, we could improve to decent/solid by the end of the season. 

If GR could take us from abysmal to good then we can make that happen here too.  UTEP has won their last two games and they throttled their opponent this past weekend.  They looked abysmal versus our defense, but they obviously aren’t the big trash can that we all thought.  I have to agree that the heat must have been a big factor Saturday.  Offense really didn’t help the defense by disappearing all second half.

[Fondren & Main 6742]

2 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Need to see this defense get better as the season progresses while TEXAS keeps winning games.  

The last two games of the regular season are Okie Lite at home, and then K-State on the road.

 

Agreed.  This is also almost the same group of players that stomped Utah.  They definitely can play a lot better.

[Burt Macklin 19053]

Just now, Fondren & Main said:

If GR could take us from abysmal to good then we can make that happen here too.  UTEP has won their last two games and they throttled their opponent this past weekend.  They looked abysmal versus our defense, but they obviously aren’t the big trash can that we all thought.  I have to agree that the heat must have been a big factor Saturday.  Offense really didn’t help the defense by disappearing all second half.

GR showed immediate improvement. Ash had all of fall camp and we looked like this.

Ash got a raw deal by coming in after Orlando and not getting any spring ball to install his defense. It’s a rough situation for him, especially when these guys didn’t even know how to tackle under Orlando, hut it doesn’t change the fact that our defense isn’t good and won’t just magically become good anytime soon. There are fundamental flaws in our defense that aren’t going away. 
 
And don’t start with the UTEP nonsense. Their schedule has been a joke and their offense could only score 17 points against Abilene Christian. They’re not good at all, and our defensive performance against them was meaningless.