Chris Ash Defense

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13010]

49 minutes ago, Knoxtnhorn said:

My biggest issue was with the DL.  I recall Ossai a couple of times in the backfield.  Other than that, I don't recall a single play the DL made.  Tech sacked Ehlinger with a scrub-ass DL, rushing 3 late in the game.  

It’s possible you don’t understand football. 

[ShowMeALoss 143]

47 minutes ago, Chad said:

The defense missed 29 tackles against Tech. That's pitiful, the majority of these guys playing on the defense are experienced players. On Tech's 2nd TD BJ Foster  completely whiffed and he was threatening to leave the program over playing time? Hell on that 75 yard TD run by Thompson 3 different players whiffed.

I had such high hopes for BJ but seems like all he is good at is making occasional hard hits. He doesn't try to do any other things that a DB should do.

[Redneck Mutha 7935]

I'd take Dick Tomey over any of these dipshits corch mensa has hired.  Offense, defense, special teams, IDMAS.  

[6th Street 6357]

The defense has no idea how to defend anything underneath like those slants and crossing routes that Tech kept running.

Perhaps the most ridiculous play was watching like 10 guys whiff on Vasher on that one TD play. It was like Soul Train - each of them had their own dance move.

[Atticus 3923]

The thing about effective defenses in this league is they don't last for long. The offensive minds in this conference can figure out ways to score on anyone

[taybo20 2815]

It all starts with DL...they have to get pressure and sacks. That’s how KSU staged the comeback win today. I really hope they can figure out something. Also, I saw ossai in coverage 10yards deep a couple times and I think that’s dumb honestly. I get different looks and whatnot, but Ossai is not a pass defender

[6th Street 6357]

38 minutes ago, taybo20 said:

It all starts with DL...they have to get pressure and sacks. That’s how KSU staged the comeback win today. I really hope they can figure out something. Also, I saw ossai in coverage 10yards deep a couple times and I think that’s dumb honestly. I get different looks and whatnot, but Ossai is not a pass defender

Absolutely - and this 4 man front we had been waiting on was nothing but 1 on 1 battles and hoping Ossai could swim his way past the guy. No stunts, shifts, overload, disguised looks, etc.

The other thing is press coverage and tackling - the only way to beat these guys is to press the shit out of these dudes at the line and knock them the fuck out when they do come over the middle for a catch. We did neither of that, instead lined up in a soft zone that was easily picked apart.

[Ghost of Stevie Ray 1578]

Two god damn weeks to prepare.  We had very very little to show.  
 

Linebacking was horrid.  And do we STILL not have a pass rush?  

[staboner 4959]

too much pride and not enough joy IMO

[USNALonghorn 5024]

7 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

Absolutely - and this 4 man front we had been waiting on was nothing but 1 on 1 battles and hoping Ossai could swim his way past the guy. No stunts, shifts, overload, disguised looks, etc.

The other thing is press coverage and tackling - the only way to beat these guys is to press the shit out of these dudes at the line and knock them the fuck out when they do come over the middle for a catch. We did neither of that, instead lined up in a soft zone that was easily picked apart.

Soft zone with 8-10 yard cushions against this conference is beyond infuriating.

[satyanash 14281]

 

[Revolution512 1480]

The coverage choices are embarrassing 

[C-Man 27067]

1 hour ago, Redneck Mutha said:

I'd take Dick Tomey over any of these dipshits corch mensa has hired.  Offense, defense, special teams, IDMAS.  

[hornfromdallas 334]

7 on 7 ruined the defenses in texas 

 

Edited September 27, 2020 by hornfromdallas

[Knoxtnhorn 5936]

7 hours ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

It’s possible you don’t understand football. 

Or drinking.  One of those two.  But, seriously, were you impressed with the dline?

Edited September 27, 2020 by Knoxtnhorn

[JFKFC 4878]

https://www.burntorangenation.com/2020/8/28/21405358/texas-longhorns-defense-chris-ash-preseason-camp

[nycHorn 2968]

Torched Ashes.

[BornOrange1955 77]

Until we get some SEC type defensive lineman, we are going to get torched by any offense with a QB who can throw it. Here we go again. Doesn't matter if its Ash, Orlando or Vince Lombardi. we need more talent on the DL.

[RollLeft 5040]

10 hours ago, perfectchaos007 said:

So maybe changing to the technique of rugby tackling didn't solve our issues?

How did it go for Manny Diaz?  You know "rugby" tackling is just another term for "gator rolls" right?

Edited September 27, 2020 by RollLeft

[JFKFC 4878]

2 weeks to game plan for Tech.

[LTtxfan 48986]

12 minutes ago, BornOrange1955 said:

Until we get some SEC type defensive lineman, we are going to get torched by any offense with a QB who can throw it. Here we go again. Doesn't matter if its Ash, Orlando or Vince Lombardi. we need more talent on the DL.

The lack of pressure and pass rush by this DL is definitely concerning...

[Rockethorn1978 6061]

I’m always optimistic we will get better but the last 10 years has me knowing if it looks this bad against a shitty team you know what’s coming every week. The bright side is we have the ability to create turnovers which is good, the bad side is that tech did one thing(quick passes) to eliminate our strength(pass rush) and we didn’t adjust at all and just got picked apart. 
 

I know we have a lot more 56-53 type of games coming and probably next week too and just have to hope we have the ball last with a chance to win or hope we make a few defensive stops and the offense can put up big numbers. 
 

wrong thread to bitch about offense but I don’t see a huge difference in what we run this year compared to last year, especially after this game. 

[RollLeft 5040]

16 minutes ago, BornOrange1955 said:

Until we get some SEC type defensive lineman, we are going to get torched by any offense with a QB who can throw it. Here we go again. Doesn't matter if its Ash, Orlando or Vince Lombardi. we need more talent on the DL.

It really is the solution.  

[AustinMT 952]

9 hours ago, Patricio Swayze said:

At this point I would rather have ashy Larry as a DC than Chris Ash.

I’d take Ash from the Evil Dead series.

[Bert Orange 1115]

Chris Ashes Defense

[Horn80 6075]

Big hire for Herman to make and it appears he really fucked up.

[taybo20 2815]

7 hours ago, 6th Street said:

Absolutely - and this 4 man front we had been waiting on was nothing but 1 on 1 battles and hoping Ossai could swim his way past the guy. No stunts, shifts, overload, disguised looks, etc.

The other thing is press coverage and tackling - the only way to beat these guys is to press the shit out of these dudes at the line and knock them the fuck out when they do come over the middle for a catch. We did neither of that, instead lined up in a soft zone that was easily picked apart.

Agreed! The coverage techniques were also a big issue. Like press, push bump, do something! No disruption anywhere meant Bowman was basically always in rhythm throwing. 

[bschoolprof 6232]

8 hours ago, Atticus said:

The thing about effective defenses in this league is they don't last for long. The offensive minds in this conference can figure out ways to score on anyone

So Ash's strategy is to not even start off effective.  That way they will have nothing to figure out and adjust to.  3-D chess.  

[hookem48 4631]

zero pressure up the middle, you know, the kind of pressure that no pocket passer  can deal with, but god damn do we look good getting off the bus

[Brothahorn 10085]

5 minutes ago, hookem48 said:

zero pressure up the middle, you know, the kind of pressure that no pocket passer  can deal with, but god damn do we look good getting off the bus

and on Instagram.

[MonkeyDoughnut 10147]

Ash's defense gives up 56

Grinch's defense gives up 38

Patterson's defense gives up 37

I'm having a hard time thinking that these 3 defensive minds with proven results have suddenly forgotten how to coach. Something's different or changed. Maybe it is all the Texas kids not playing defense in high school. I have not clue but I can't pin it on the DC's at this point.

[Istian 241]

2 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Ash's defense gives up 56

Grinch's defense gives up 38

Patterson's defense gives up 37

I'm having a hard time thinking that these 3 defensive minds with proven results have suddenly forgotten how to coach. Something's different or changed. Maybe it is all the Texas kids not playing defense in high school. I have not clue but I can't pin it on the DC's at this point.

Purdy looked putrid in game 1 and Skylar Thompson's limitations are well known. Big XII offenses are good - even when the talent isn't as good. 

[Blotto 23434]

8 hours ago, C-Man said:

that was taken into account. 

[stork642 4498]

Didn’t Urban say Ash was the hire of the year and didn’t Urban hire him before to be his DC and they won a NC.  It’s pretty clear Ash diagnosed early on that tackling is a major problem with this team and he has been focusing on that for a reason. At some point the players have to do better.  If you are on defense your main fucking job is to tackle and some of these guys just refuse to do it.  

[The Earl of Texas 3131]

31 minutes ago, stork642 said:

Didn’t Urban say Ash was the hire of the year and didn’t Urban hire him before to be his DC and they won a NC.  It’s pretty clear Ash diagnosed early on that tackling is a major problem with this team and he has been focusing on that for a reason. At some point the players have to do better.  If you are on defense your main fucking job is to tackle and some of these guys just refuse to do it.  

Urban Meyer would never lie to protect his friends/assistants.

[hookem48 4631]

39 minutes ago, stork642 said:

Didn’t Urban say Ash was the hire of the year and didn’t Urban hire him before to be his DC and they won a NC. 

Urban's end game to get Herman's job

[Atticus 3923]

We actually held the running game in check until that 75 yard run. They used it to convert some third downs that were annoying, but nothing crazy outside of that. The pass D was the biggest issue for the second game in a row. 

Now we get to see how we handle a running QB.

[Wanker Bob 379]

I mean it's two games into his first season with practically zero offseason work except for a few weeks of a makeshift fall camp in the middle of a pandemic. 

Maybe, just maybe, it's going to take more time especially under these circumstances to get a defense that could not tackle a year ago to be able to tackle. It's not magic

[satyanash 14281]

 

[Istian 241]

44 minutes ago, Wanker Bob said:

I mean it's two games into his first season with practically zero offseason work except for a few weeks of a makeshift fall camp in the middle of a pandemic. 

Maybe, just maybe, it's going to take more time especially under these circumstances to get a defense that could not tackle a year ago to be able to tackle. It's not magic

It's like we forgot that Greg Robinson did exactly this (teach the team to tackle), but in a week. 

[LTtxfan 48986]

No expert here, but teaching these defenders to use their athleticism and "fly around to the ball" without learning better pursuit angles, technique and playing under better control might be part of the problem??

Seemed like a lot of dumb mistakes against Tech by the TEXAS defenders yesterday -- doesn't matter how much speed and quickness you have if you are out of position...

This is a problem that both the coaches and players need to take ownership of and put in the work to fix.

 

Edited September 27, 2020 by LTtxfan

[ShowMeALoss 143]

What is confusing to me is that Texas played great defense against Utah and Georgia the year before, so it's not like they can't do it. Perhaps the problem is that the Coach can't get them fired up for every game. They had one good game against a shitty team and everyone was telling them how great they were. They thought they could just waltz into Lubbock and dominate. Human psychology is a powerful thing and great coaches know how to use it.

[Yesh 904]

1 minute ago, ShowMeALoss said:

What is confusing to me is that Texas played great defense against Utah and Georgia the year before, so it's not like they can't do it. Perhaps the problem is that the Coach can't get them fired up for every game. They had one good game against a shitty team and everyone was telling them how great they were. They thought they could just waltz into Lubbock and dominate. Human psychology is a powerful thing and great coaches know how to use it.

Those teams offensive personnel and design are totally different than Tech or the average Big 12 team.  There is no comparison.

[ShowMeALoss 143]

Just now, Yesh said:

Those teams offensive personnel and design are totally different than Tech or the average Big 12 team.  There is no comparison.

I get that but the intensity was vastly different. Those teams had better athletes and yet we tackled much better, with intent. Against Tech, they were mostly standing around and made half ass attempt to tackle. That's what I attribute to getting fired up only for certain games.

[Yesh 904]

I am wondering (more like hoping) if we have a 3 deep safety look.  Our defensive line is a strength.  If we are going to dedicate 4 guys to it, we need them to control the run with minimal LB support.  We need those guys thinking pass drop first, at least against teams like Tech, TCU, OU.  We can give up 8 yard runs.  Our corners are not going to hold up on their own, and plenty of teams have a 3rd receiver that will torch Adimora or Mitchell.

[Mikey4 2476]

No expert here, but teaching these defenders to use their athleticism and "fly around to the ball" without learning better pursuit angles, technique and playing under better control might be part of the problem??
Seemed like a lot of dumb mistakes against Tech by the TEXAS defenders yesterday -- doesn't matter how much speed and quickness you have if you are out of position...
This is a problem that both the coaches and players need to take ownership of and put in the work to fix.
 

Yes, on the 75 yard run, Foster had broken down in front of Thompson and was in a position to make a play, or at least contain long enough for reinforcements to arrive, and Overshown came in like a bowling ball and knocked him over. It was a high risk, low reward move that didn't pay off.

[6th Street 6357]

I think we can agree this was a trash hire, and one that will ultimately cost Herman his job here 

[Harrison Stafford 3327]

1 hour ago, Wanker Bob said:

I mean it's two games into his first season with practically zero offseason work except for a few weeks of a makeshift fall camp in the middle of a pandemic. 

Maybe, just maybe, it's going to take more time especially under these circumstances to get a defense that could not tackle a year ago to be able to tackle. It's not magic

Hocus pocus, our defense lacks focus

Abracadabra, they won't reach out and grab ya

Presto chango, at least, we won't face Red Grange-o

[Horn80 6075]

21 minutes ago, ShowMeALoss said:

What is confusing to me is that Texas played great defense against Utah and Georgia the year before, so it's not like they can't do it. Perhaps the problem is that the Coach can't get them fired up for every game. They had one good game against a shitty team and everyone was telling them how great they were. They thought they could just waltz into Lubbock and dominate. Human psychology is a powerful thing and great coaches know how to use it.

The Pirate says hi.

[USNALonghorn 5024]

6 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

I think we can agree this was a trash hire, and one that will ultimately cost Herman his job here 

Ash made a name for himself stopping Big-10 offenses. Herman gambled his job on whether he can adapt to defending the spread or not. Not ideal.