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Money whores.. like all political consultants.  If it is profitable to keep the switch on "Good', then they will so dems need to stop being such pussies and pony up , cause we need ruthless guns for hire like this.

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  On 10/19/2020 at 5:39 PM, Ghost of LL said:

See--I really don't agree with this.  These guys are trying out for jobs in future Democratic campaigns.  The Lincoln Project is combination penance and job interview.

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You’re right, they should be given the benefit of the doubt. I mean, it’s not like they helped start a war or anything. What’s the worst that can happen? 

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  On 10/19/2020 at 5:45 PM, Hank Scorpio said:
You’re right, they should be given the benefit of the doubt. I mean, it’s not like they helped start a war or anything. What’s the worst that can happen? 

A war.
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  On 7/16/2020 at 4:31 PM, F250 said:

It is dumb. The people behind the Lincoln Project don't give a shit about their public image, they are fighting for control of the GOP. They are the ousted regime waging a civil war within their party, it isn't any more complicated than that.

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Very similar (but fewer disingenuous smiles) to the conservative takeover (and Baptist civil war)of the Southern Baptist Convention.  As odd as the Baylor folks are, their tight network of alumni kept the state baptist convention in Texas from being taken over, like in most other states.

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  On 10/19/2020 at 5:39 PM, Ghost of LL said:

See--I really don't agree with this.  These guys are trying out for jobs in future Democratic campaigns.  The Lincoln Project is combination penance and job interview.

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I see them sitting in a room not social distancing and not wearing masks in henry's vid.  I think they are finally embracing science and can be trusted again!  Nah.  I'm going to keep appreciating what they are doing on this campaign and keeping my dollars away from them.

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  On 10/19/2020 at 5:45 PM, Hank Scorpio said:

You’re right, they should be given the benefit of the doubt. I mean, it’s not like they helped start a war or anything. What’s the worst that can happen? 

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What doubt-benefit do you think I'm extending?  I basically called them whores who are giving away a beej for free in hopes that you'll hire them for a week at their full rates.

I guess if I'm giving any doubt-benefits, it's to acknowledge that it's a really good beej.  And hiring them in the future might be money well spent.

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  On 10/19/2020 at 5:45 PM, Hank Scorpio said:

You’re right, they should be given the benefit of the doubt. I mean, it’s not like they helped start a war or anything. What’s the worst that can happen? 

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Are folks afraid that a Biden admin will go to war because of the Lincoln Project?  Are they on the short list for Secretary of State? Are people contemplating whether to have them babysit their new infant? 

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I think it's very telling that unofficial GOP/conservative groups are publicly attacking the Lincoln Project recently. If you're not having an impact or you don't matter, then people ignore you.

The Right is flipping out right now because they see a potential huge reckoning about to occur in 2 weeks, and they are turning on each other. 

I'm curious to see what kind of heat Trump faces once he loses. He still has his army of people but they and Trump won't matter very much for at least 18 months. if Trump loses.

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  On 10/22/2020 at 4:58 PM, NameAlreadyInUse said:

That new add about fathers and sons they just put out is probably the best political ad I've seen.  I have to give them credit, they are not holding back.Men

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Dems have some good ads out there and the money to air them for wide audiences.

The Lincoln ad is a good combo of both overwhelming positivity with the hint of negative towards Trump. Most Trump ads seem to be nothing but fear.

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  On 10/22/2020 at 5:20 PM, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Dems have some good ads out there and the money to air them for wide audiences.

The Lincoln ad is a good combo of both overwhelming positivity with the hint of negative towards Trump. Most Trump ads seem to be nothing but fear.

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That has been every speech he's ever had, including his inauguration.  And damn did this speech not age well.  In fact, after 4 years, it's trash, and like his properties, belly up.  

"At the center of this movement is a crucial conviction, that a nation exists to serve its citizens. Americans want great schools for their children, safe neighborhoods for their families, and good jobs for themselves. These are just and reasonable demands of righteous people and a righteous public.

But for too many of our citizens, a different reality exists: mothers and children trapped in poverty in our inner cities; rusted out factories scattered like tombstones across the landscape of our nation; an education system flush with cash, but which leaves our young and beautiful students deprived of all knowledge; and the crime and the gangs and the drugs that have stolen too many lives and robbed our country of so much unrealized potential.

This American carnage stops right here and stops right now.

(APPLAUSE) We are one nation and their pain is our pain. Their dreams are our dreams. And their success will be our success. We share one heart, one home, and one glorious destiny. The oath of office I take today is an oath of allegiance to all Americans....

....We will reinforce old alliances and form new ones and unite the civilized world against radical Islamic terrorism, which we will eradicate completely from the face of the Earth.

...At the bedrock of our politics will be a total allegiance to the United States of America, and through our loyalty to our country, we will rediscover our loyalty to each other. When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice.

The bible tells us how good and pleasant it is when God’s people live together in unity. We must speak our minds openly, debate our disagreements honestly, but always pursue solidarity. When America is united, America is totally unstoppable.

There should be no fear. We are protected and we will always be protected. We will be protected by the great men and women of our military and law enforcement. And most importantly, we will be protected by God.

Finally, we must think big and dream even bigger. In America, we understand that a nation is only living as long as it is striving. We will no longer accept politicians who are all talk and no action, constantly complaining, but never doing anything about it."

 

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  On 10/30/2020 at 3:19 PM, bad_teammate said:
Actually putting these ads on TV would cost $, and the Lincoln Project needs all the money they're grifting out of sucker centrists and liberals to build their post-election right-wing media empire.

You and I may have butted heads this election but I’m going to enjoy teaming up with you to lob big fat “I told y’all!” about these assholes.

Notice how quiet they got over Amy Coney Barrett?
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  On 11/4/2020 at 8:37 PM, Anastasis said:

What was the final spend by LP?

Trying to figure out who had the worse return on investment between LP and Bloomberg.  

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Lots of twitterverse that almost all the money went to consultants. Grfiters grifting 

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  On 11/5/2020 at 1:18 AM, Redpuma said:

Lots of twitterverse that almost all the money went to consultants. Grfiters grifting 

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I mean, the Lincoln Project itself is comprised almost entirely of consultants.

It's people who sit around and think shit up.  And then pay some creatives to make a video of it.  The creatives probably call themselves consultants, too.

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  On 10/30/2020 at 6:02 PM, Bama Chick said:


You and I may have butted heads this election but I’m going to enjoy teaming up with you to lob big fat “I told y’all!” about these assholes.

Notice how quiet they got over Amy Coney Barrett?

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Meh.  They had an ad about McConnell's hypocrisy.  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/lincoln-project-ad-mitch-mcconnell-donald-trump-rbi-death-replacement-hypocrite-b515658.html

That's about all there was to bitch about that's Trump-related.

They've never said or pretended that they were liberals or not conservatives.

It's nothing more than an enemy of my enemy deal despite people trying to label them as conservatives in sheep's clothing or something.

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  On 11/4/2020 at 8:37 PM, Anastasis said:

What was the final spend by LP?

Trying to figure out who had the worse return on investment between LP and Bloomberg.  

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How The Lincoln Project Set Liberals’ Money On Fire
The group run by GOP operatives said it would reduce Republican support for Trump — instead, Trump consolidated his base as the group burned $67 million that could’ve been spent better anywhere else.

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A group of longtime Republican operatives depicting themselves as anti-Trump stalwarts convinced liberals to give them more money for ineffective television ads and stunts than was raised by the Democratic Party’s national campaign to win state legislatures. 

The result: Donald Trump won more Republican votes than he did in 2016 as Democrats again lost state legislatures in advance of redistricting that could determine control of Congress for the next decade. 

Meanwhile, the GOP operatives are reportedly positioned to go from lighting liberals’ money on fire during the 2020 election to now using liberals’ money to launch a media empire that could push a new Biden administration to the right.

The GOP super PAC, called the Lincoln Project, raised at least $67 million this year from liberals who were told by one of the group’s co-founders that it would win over “independent-leaning men, those college-educated Republicans, the suburban Republican women.” The Lincoln Project was co-founded by Steve Schmidt, who was John McCain’s 2008 campaign manager and who has been publicly boasting that he led the campaigns to help George W. Bush install right-wing judges on the Supreme Court.

While the Lincoln Project’s YouTube videos lampooning Trump received millions of views and endless promotion on MSNBC, the ads proved ineffective in the group’s stated goal: As The Daily Poster first reported, Trump actually increased his share of the Republican vote in 2020 as compared to 2016, when the Lincoln Project did not exist.

In all, Trump had support from 91 percent of Republicans and voters who lean Republican, according to a Fox News Voter Analysis that surveyed 109,000 people nationwide just before the election. Although Biden outperformed 2016 nominee Hillary Clinton in suburban areas, Trump won a higher percentage of white women in 2020.

As Lincoln Project burned liberals’ money on unpersuasive videos and expensive stunts — including a Times Square billboard in the uncontested locale of Manhattan — the Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee raised far less money in its battle for control of legislatures. 

The subsequent losses at the state level mean Republicans will now be in a position “to draw favorable maps that will help them elect their preferred state and federal representatives for the next five election cycles,” according to a post-election report by Politico.  

Failing To Focus On The Economy
While the news media was manufacturing false stories about the Lincoln Project moving GOP voters, Trump was consolidating his base — and keeping the race close amid a deadly pandemic — by focusing on the economy as his opponents personally insulted him and did not aggressively promote an economic message. 

Exit polls showed the largest plurality of voters saw the economy as the top concern — and Trump won 82 percent of those voters. 

Trump invested heavily in economy-themed ads. National Public Radio noted that in the final weeks of the campaign, Trump’s ads “attack(ed) Biden over trade and the economy” and cast “the election as a decisive moment for the country's future and emphasizing the candidate's personal story and character.”

Many of the Lincoln Project’s videos were focused on making Trump look like a buffoon, a slimy salesman, a bad role model, or a misogynist — things that people already well know. Seventy-three percent of voters said a candidate's positions on the issues were more important in their presidential vote than a candidate's personal qualities.

The group did put out some economy-focused ads in Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Iowa, as part of its “Mourning in America” series (a reference to a famous Ronald Reagan ad). But the ads were more bleak than compelling, as they purely dump on Trump without any pitch for why Democrats would be better.

The Cook Political Report’s David Wasserman noted last month that “direct messaging against Trump (@ProjectLincoln ads, etc.) is ineffective in swing states. Dem messages that actually move votes: talking about education & majoritarian economic policies.”

The Lincoln Project’s failure to move targeted demographics was on display in key battleground states. In Iowa, for example, the group made headlines with a series of ads aimed at convincing women to vote against Trump. On Election night, exit polls showed Trump won a slightly larger share of female Iowa voters in 2020 than he did in 2016. 

MSNBC Tells The Lincoln Project To “Take A Well-Deserved Victory Lap” 
While the Lincoln Project failed to generate significant Republican defections, the effort has been a financial windfall for GOP operatives. 

Earlier this year, the group was lampooned by Stephen Colbert’s cartoon show for spending so much money on overhead rather than on ads. By the end of September, the group had funneled $4.5 million through Summit Strategic Communications, run by the group’s co-founder Reed Galen. The group also reported paying $3.9 million to Tusk Digital, led by another Lincoln Project co-founder, Ron Steslow.

Despite all the data about the Lincoln Project’s failure, MSNBC host Brian Williams asserted Wednesday that the group helped swing the presidential race to Joe Biden, saying they “helped make this race what it is and what it may be if and when we get over 270.” 

Williams told the Lincoln Project’s senior advisor, Michael Steele, that he should “take a well-deserved victory lap on the part of all these former leaders and strategists who got together to push the other side.”

Williams — who was caught repeatedly lying about his own career a few years ago — cited no data in assigning credit to the Republican operatives. 

On Wednesday, MSNBC host Chris Hayes spoke with Lincoln Project senior advisor, Stuart Stevens, about the potential of two runoff races for Georgia Senate seats deciding control of the Senate in January. 

“Can you imagine the amount of money that is going to be spent and raised on those two Senate runoffs in the state of Georgia?” Hayes asked with a nervous laugh. 

“Well, look, in the Lincoln Project, I spent part of the day making ads for both of those races,” Stevens said. “We're going to be in there as heavy as we can, as will most of the known political world.” 

The Lincoln Project did not report making any independent expenditures in either of the Georgia Senate races.

Another Lincoln Project senior advisor, Kurt Bardella, reiterated Thursday on MSNBC that “the Lincoln Project will look to be very active” in the Georgia runoffs. 

 

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He is a very articulate man. I will grudgingly admit that I admire his wit and ability to communicate his thoughts so effectively. I am not sure I like him staying in the party. We need some progressive ideas to prevail and I would hate him to persuade people away from such policy, some of which is long overdue. On the other hand, his skills are considerable and many democratic operatives could learn from this guy. He's made dumb decisions (Palin) but he has had effective messaging that has worked.  hmmmm, I'm not convinced this is a net positive. 

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aggy John Weaver in big trouble...

21 Men Accuse Lincoln Project Co-Founder of Online Harassment

John Weaver, a longtime G.O.P. operative who advised John McCain and John Kasich, made sexual overtures to young men, sometimes offering to help them get work in politics.

 

By Maggie Astor and Danny Hakim

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Not picking on you bolverk. But this was always a right out grift from out of work Republican political strategists. 

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Damn if only there were people on this board saying to contribute elsewhere instead of “former” republicans who will pivot back once viable. Why spend tens of millions on dollars on digital ads that no Republican voters see because they have Fox News on all day. I’m sure they’ll love burning all your money on MTG in her very safe very Republican district.

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  On 1/31/2021 at 9:11 PM, PsychMike said:

aggy John Weaver in big trouble...

21 Men Accuse Lincoln Project Co-Founder of Online Harassment

John Weaver, a longtime G.O.P. operative who advised John McCain and John Kasich, made sexual overtures to young men, sometimes offering to help them get work in politics.

 

By Maggie Astor and Danny Hakim

Jan. 31, 2021
Updated 2:30 p.m. ET

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I mean if more people actually called it like it is when they find out their people are pieces of shit, we might actually get shit done. 
 

That said, I think there are always situations where there needs to be some rational thought and reason. Looking at you democrats who lost their shit over Al Franken. 
 

21 accusers though?  That seems like a lot. 

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A lot of Trump voters are going to be hearing about these guys for the very first time. I'm super certain their Jared tease will be worth the wait though. Like, for sure.

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  On 2/1/2021 at 1:08 AM, StassneyHorn said:

Damn if only there were people on this board saying to contribute elsewhere instead of “former” republicans who will pivot back once viable. Why spend tens of millions on dollars on digital ads that no Republican voters see because they have Fox News on all day. I’m sure they’ll love burning all your money on MTG in her very safe very Republican district.

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The Republicans are kicking Liz Fucking Cheney out. You think they’ll ever welcome Steve Schmidt back? The Lincoln Project crew burned their bridges. There’s no going back.

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  On 2/1/2021 at 2:30 AM, WhatTheBuck said:

The Republicans are kicking Liz Fucking Cheney out. You think they’ll ever welcome Steve Schmidt back? The Lincoln Project crew burned their bridges. There’s no going back.

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When the Country Club/Rockefeller republicans win back their party Steve Schmidt and the rest of those guys will go back to their lake houses with those assholes, and tell stories about how they blew all that D money.
 

When the Trumpists win possession and are a third party, Country Club Republicans will hire Steve Schmidt and go back to their lake houses and boats and he’ll blow through their money.

 

 

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