Craps for beginners:

[Sbbruin 21,866]

1 minute ago, chitwood said:

I'm not a smart man.

 

Edited January 30, 2019 by Sbbruin

[BradInATX 9,208]

5 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

yeah, the reason the system "works" (if it works) is because the bets get higher a lot quicker than normal pressing.  you're "power-pressing" which often skips a level.  some people press one unit (6-12-18) while others do a full press (6-12-24), but this will skip levels and require some help from you.  add $3 to make it $15 and add $4 to make it $30.  like lurch said, the dealer will help you out.  when you hit $30 (after a full collect), the next level is $60, and you get $5 back.

i always suggest finding a spot near the dealer.  it doesn't take long to develop a rapport, and you'll catch on quickly (as will he) and pretty soon the dropping of chips (or collecting) will go on without saying a word.

i recommend using phrases like, "take me to $15" or "make it look like $30" and he'll instantly say, "drop me four bucks" or something similar.  as long as you keep the table moving, you're in good shape.

Yep, I like it a lot. It fits the way I want to play. I'm relatively versed in craps but I typically play the way Lurch would like me to play, which is pass line with full odds, and I usually paint some numbers. Lot of fun, but I'll have $100+ down on the table at a $10 table. Can win fast but can bleed fast.

Stupid question, because I usually play "normal" pass line etc. Can you bet below the table minimum on the numbers? Like if I'm at a $25 table, can I throw down $5/$6 bets on the numbers, assuming I don't play the pass line? Or do I have to bet $25 per number?

 

 

 

[henrygandorf 29,194]

unfortunately not.  everything on the sides has to be minimum.  stuff in the middle (hard ways) can be under.

[BradInATX 9,208]

unfortunately not.  everything on the sides has to be minimum.  stuff in the middle (hard ways) can be under.

Have to meet table minimum in total, or per number?

The math gets weird at a typical $15 table. Keeping up with where each number is at is hard enough.. then multiplying everything by 3.. not sure i can juggle all that while 15 drinks deep

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[BradInATX 9,208]

Seems like you could simplify by just asking dealer to double your bet each time you hit (6, 12 24 vs 6 12 30). And play the rest the same

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[henrygandorf 29,194]

each bet has to meet the minimum.  so at a $15 table you'll be making $18 bets on the 6/8 and that can get out of hand in a hurry.

my recommendation is to find a $10 table or play blackjack.

[Lurch 5,931]

I’m sure I’ve said it several times in here already, but find a free app and practice with the strategy. Because you can roll so frequently (unlike live) you’ll get the betting patterns memorized much more quickly

[shakahorn 1,645]

On 1/30/2019 at 8:58 PM, henrygandorf said:

each bet has to meet the minimum.  so at a $15 table you'll be making $18 bets on the 6/8 and that can get out of hand in a hurry.

my recommendation is to find a $10 table or play blackjack.

On a $15 I'll start at $18/$15 obviously, 2 collects and then the next press is $30 and then follow the system from there.  But yeah if those first 2 collects never show, it can get out of hand, it's $48/51 a shot.

[henrygandorf 29,194]

yep, those first two hits are crucial.  otherwise it kinda defeats the purpose of the system.

[Lurch 5,931]

On a $15 I'll start at $18/$15 obviously, 2 collects and then the next press is $30 and then follow the system from there.  But yeah if those first 2 collects never show, it can get out of hand, it's $48/51 a shot.

I experimented with a version where I considered how many times I missed those first two points and used that to go 3+ points on subsequent rolls before pressing. Ie, get back to baseline before getting aggressive again.

[henrygandorf 29,194]

i recommend a $300 cash-in for a regular system session ($10 table).  at a $15 table, i would prob go $400-$500.  $300 won't get you far enough in if the dice are cold at the beginning. 

[DallasHorn26 586]

Going to Choctaw tonight and going to give this ago, does anyone know if they have $10 tables on Friday nights?

[bigup2dahorns 3,343]

Going to Choctaw tonight and going to give this ago, does anyone know if they have $10 tables on Friday nights?

Haven’t been there in awhile but my guess is it is likely $10 tables. Winstar has been running $10 even when very busy on a Saturday.

[DallasHorn26 586]

Haven’t been there in awhile but my guess is it is likely $10 tables. Winstar has been running $10 even when very busy on a Saturday.

I forgot to report back. Last Friday, Choctaw had 2 $10 tables, 1 $5, and 1$25 table. They were actually pretty consistent. I played through the night on and off and walked away about even, which I think is the point of the HG method. I did play around with the all-tall-small a couple of times and hit them.

[Buzzrock 14,936]

In Vegas all week at Venetian. Couldn’t get it going at $15 table. Down $120.

[shakahorn 1,645]

2 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

In Vegas all week at Venetian. Couldn’t get it going at $15 table. Down $120.

Down $120 at a $15 table is practically breaking even.  Don't give up yet!

[Junior Miller 1,502]

I was in Vegas a couple of weeks ago and I found two things: 1) I much prefer the bubble craps to the actual table  and 2) I seem to be able to feel when a 7 is coming the majority of the time fairly well for some reason. The bubble craps let you lay the 4 and 10 with a minimum bet and seem to charge a lower vig than the tables (and only charge the vig on a win). Plus there's no dealer to tip and they tend to be assholes when you want to dark side bet. For 4 straight days I just kept hopping from casino to casino on the strip and downtown laying 4s and 10s with occasional hard 8 and hard 10 bets on every bubble craps machine in town. Took $500 to gamble and after 4 days and about 50 comp cocktails walked away with a little over $2k cash. Hit at about a 3 or 4 win to every loss ratio overall. 

Never played craps before but now that's about the only casino game I want to play outside of a little blackjack and one big 2:1 roulette spin. 

Edited May 7, 2019 by Junior Miller

[Buzzrock 14,936]

How could the vig be different? I’m not saying it couldn’t but I just don’t see how.

[Junior Miller 1,502]

It seemed to be lower but I didn't care to do the math and compute the difference in minimum since the bubble craps would let me bet a $5 lay on 4 or 10 while on a table the dealer scoffed if you weren't attempting to lay at least triple the minimum. The biggest difference though was the tables forced you to cover the vig up front while the bubble craps just took it out of your win. So if I laid five I got paid out around $2.38 for a win and if I lost I just lost the 5. After realizing that on the first day I never touched an actual craps table the rest of the time. 

Edited May 7, 2019 by Junior Miller

[Doyle Hargreaves 301]

I drive a truck cross country. I play poker only at Commerce (Big O or Big O/Stud mix) and craps everywhere else. Vegas I play Omaha at Orleans. I will not play anything in Oklahoma. Anything east of the Mississippi is decent, but expensive. 

I gamble for the social fun. Craps is the best for me. I like to sit for long 4-7 hour sessions. Drink, tell dirty jokes, be a mysoginistic ass. Get on a roll or complain about the dice. It’s fun. 

I buy in for 300-500 but will get into games for more easily. I’m looking for 1 45 min roll or 2 30 min rolls. I almost never play hard ways or props. Just the numbers and pass/no pass. My favorite place to play craps is in Laughlin or downtown LV. The dealers are on point. Drinks are free and no wait times. They bring it! Douche factor at the table is nil. 

For newbies. Wait your fucking turn. Get all your gotdamn bets out.  Keep your arms back. Don’t roll scared. Bring it, bet it, if it hits twice...PRESS IT. Also, bet your fucking odds. 

Just my opinion, but the Oklahoma dice games are just too expensive. But if it’s fun your after, be prepared to deal with douchebag central. It’s not fun. The drink service is non existent. The dealers are bad.  

[Lurch 5,931]

My experience with the bubble craps I’ve played was that they did not pay as well and the odds were all capped low. I will grant you that no tip to pay has value

[Buzzrock 14,936]

Bubble craps seems like it would be fun with a group, but it also seems scarce. I’ve only been to Venetian/Palazzo, Aria, Linq and MGM this year but I think I only saw it at MGM.

[Junior Miller 1,502]

2 hours ago, Buzzrock said:

Bubble craps seems like it would be fun with a group, but it also seems scarce. I’ve only been to Venetian/Palazzo, Aria, Linq and MGM this year but I think I only saw it at MGM.

Literally every casino on the strip has a couple and the Golden Nugget has one. They're probably hard to get a seat at on busy weekends but during the week I never once found one that didn't have at least one seat open. For a bit at the Flamingo I was the only person playing one and rolled 8 something like 8 of 11 in a stretch. After the first 3 I started betting the 8 and cashed in pretty good on it. 

[Buzzrock 14,936]

I guess they are like Amsterdam coffee shops where once you see one you see them all, because now I see two in the Venetian.

[Bill Brasky 1,449]

Went for a quick trip earlier this week and stayed downtown.   Lately I have been playing either the pass line or inside, but not both at the same time unless I'm the shooter.  My timing was off on when to play pass vs. inside, if I had timed it better it would have been a very positive trip overall.  I don't move inside either in the middle of a shooter due to superstition.    

So here is the problem that came up, and I'll see if any of you have a solution.   I sometimes play the all small/tall/all bet at $5 each.   The point is 9 when shooter makes the small for me and all he has to hit is the 11 for me to complete the tall/all and get $900.   I asked the box if there was any good way for me to hedge the bet and he said no.   I had been in this scenario before and have been able to hedge any inside number between 4 and 10, but I didn't know how to hedge it with the point already established.   Of course, the shooter throws 5/5 and 6/6 several times to tease me and never does hit the 11 before crapping out.   

Still an overall positive trip for Vegas so I am not going to bitch about that whatsoever.  

[High Plains Drifter 11,050]

Wtf is bubble craps?

 

Haven't been in a casino in 11 years, so dumb question amnesty please.

[Lurch 5,931]

It’s just the stand-alone, human-less craps machine. There’s a bubble in the middle of 4-8 touch screens with a giant pair of dice that bounce around in the bubble, ala the old Trouble board game

[Junior Miller 1,502]

17 hours ago, Buzzrock said:

I guess they are like Amsterdam coffee shops where once you see one you see them all, because now I see two in the Venetian.

I have good memories of those two at the Venetian. That day was nothing but shooters throwing 7 out all the damn time.  

[High Plains Drifter 11,050]

27 minutes ago, Lurch said:

It’s just the stand-alone, human-less craps machine. There’s a bubble in the middle of 4-8 touch screens with a giant pair of dice that bounce around in the bubble, ala the old Trouble board game

 

Doesn't sound very fun.

[Lurch 5,931]

 
Doesn't sound very fun.

Yep. You forget how much dealers contribute to the environment until they’re gone. It also has a weird pace.

[Doyle Hargreaves 301]

Bubble craps can be ok if you are learning the game or teaching a broad how to play. 

One of the things I love about a good live craps game with excellent dealers is once they get to know your betting, they remind you. 

I don’t go nuts on tipping but lately it seems like I’m the only one. I throw a bet down for them after a few points are hit or a crap check every so often. 

[High Plains Drifter 11,050]

12 hours ago, Doyle Hargreaves said:

Bubble craps can be ok if you are learning the game or teaching a broad how to play. 

One of the things I love about a good live craps game with excellent dealers is once they get to know your betting, they remind you. 

I don’t go nuts on tipping but lately it seems like I’m the only one. I throw a bet down for them after a few points are hit or a crap check every so often. 

 

Ture dat. One time I forgot to put odds on a come bet and it hit. I tipped the dealer and told him "First time is my fault, second time is your fault."  After that, he was ready for the odds bet every time, and reminded me a few times when I was slow to take the odds.

[henrygandorf 29,194]

when robots eventually take over the world, and they will, i will blame the bubble craps players first.

[Lurch 5,931]

Yep. They’re learning we’re irrationally emotional and suck at math

[Guest]

So I was in OKC and found myself with an evening free...

 

I went to Riverwind Casino and started played craps.  $1 ante for every roll of the dice without a point established...as if the casinos are barely squeaking by. Then their odds were 3-4-5X and for the don’ts the odds were 6X your flat bet, as in the odds could be 6X the initial bet, not the payout vs your initial bet like civilized places do.  I griped about this last summer when we were in Ruidoso too.

Anyhoo, I was there and started winning from the get-go, which as 6pm when the table opened.  8 players on both ends the whole night, except for the iciest of runs, which would occur to my benefit. The play was so freaking slow, The dice made it around to me twice in 2 hours. I shot for about 20 minutes each time from the pass line, but the players seemingly always on the other end were morons and kept fucking up the flow of the game. Late bets, bullshit color ups/ getting change/ etc/etc.  It was not a fun experience, save for the kicking the casino’s ass. I played for  about 4 hours and after buying in for $200 on a $5 min table, I cashed out $6700.

It took forever, and had I been at Shreve or LC, I would have probably made $10k.   Oh yeah, beer was $3 from the cocktail waitress.

So one piece of learning, I made a don’t come bet which traveled to the 6. I paid the ante for that bet.  The shooter makes their point, not the 6.  Dealer tells me I have to ante again for the already established DC bet, of which I had already ante’ed.   I speak with the pit boss and he assures me that I must ante again on the bet.  Total complete fucking larceny.

After playing 4 hours with flat bets going up to $150, my comps were...$5.21 on my players card.  Lolz.  Barely squeaking by. 

Yes, I knew it was a shit joint and put my money down, so I should not gripe; but wholly fuck I will not be coming over here again unless it is for a Tech game or something else( now reside in Amarillo.) 

Oh and bubble craps was packed before the actual craps table opened. I don’t have a problem with the game itself, but the odds are total shit.  It plays a hellova lot faster than their live tables, that’s for sure.

Edited May 12, 2019 by slorch

[shakahorn 1,645]

Am I the only one that thinks bubble craps is fixed?

[Lurch 5,931]

Doesn’t need to be. House edge comfortably built in already

[dcar00 14,321]

Vegas last week on business.  stayed at the linq. I don't really have a "system" mainly just try to decide when to walk.   I play pass line/odds, place bets(6/8 and 5 or 9, if 6 or 8 is point).  press the place bets once usually. will throw in on the field now and then. I also will admit to playing come/odds as well sometimes if the table seems hot. I come with $400 bank. buy in for $200 at $10 table at the linq

first night play right after I check in at midnight.  play for an hour up $100.  no real cold spells

2nd night play same table at Linq.  play 45 minutes. up $300(birthday chick had a long roll) and hit a cold spot. leave up $150

go to casino royale to find $5 table..nope. one $10 table(I haven't been to vegas in a while, If CR doesn't have $5 after 6PM I'm assuming no one on the strip does)

play for an hour before business meeting at Caesars.  up $200(mostly on my roll) in about 30min hit another cold spot walk out with $100.

go to caesars and after biz meeting get some of the newbies to play craps.  only $15 tables.  I hate $15 craps but did it for business.  table is pretty cold, not ice but cold.  2 hours later walk out down $600(down $250 total for trip). normally would have left earlier but again business

was leaving the next morning but decide to hit Linq again.  2 big rolls in a row(one mine) I'm up $280 for the trip.  throw $20 on the field for the boys and it hits.  cash out.

I know the system doesn't like field bets but I think it is relatively cheap to have more numbers with action. I play come/odds sometimes when point is 4 or 10, but i realize this is pushing it with a small bank.  I don't play hard ways or other bets except for the dealers

lessons for the trip

1. $15 craps sucks

2. Linq had waitresses coming around often and has some decent skank watching

3. know when to leave the table

It had been a while but had a blast.

Edited May 13, 2019 by dcar00

[Junior Miller 1,502]

On 5/12/2019 at 2:49 PM, shakahorn said:

Am I the only one that thinks bubble craps is fixed?

How could it be fixed? You can win on any dice roll no matter the outcome depending on how you bet. If they weight it to hit more 7s then everyone will soon catch on and bet dark side like I do and bankrupt the casino. There's no reason to do that. 

Craps I hate playing at regular tables because 1) it's mostly annoying bros trying their "system" who I don't want to have any interaction with, and 2) my preferred way of betting is seen as insulting to the morons who can't differentiate between me betting against the dice and not against them personally. 

Now roulette I love playing at a real table. It's a game that appeals more to hot women and on this trip last month a few times I was parked at a table with 2-4 smoke shows making small talk and flirting. Usually for every smoke show on a craps table there's 5 or 6 annoying bros. 

[shakahorn 1,645]

5 hours ago, Junior Miller said:

How could it be fixed? You can win on any dice roll no matter the outcome depending on how you bet. If they weight it to hit more 7s then everyone will soon catch on and bet dark side like I do and bankrupt the casino. There's no reason to do that. 

Craps I hate playing at regular tables because 1) it's mostly annoying bros trying their "system" who I don't want to have any interaction with, and 2) my preferred way of betting is seen as insulting to the morons who can't differentiate between me betting against the dice and not against them personally. 

Now roulette I love playing at a real table. It's a game that appeals more to hot women and on this trip last month a few times I was parked at a table with 2-4 smoke shows making small talk and flirting. Usually for every smoke show on a craps table there's 5 or 6 annoying bros. 

Granted, I haven't played it, but I think the game knows everyone's bets before the dice are rolled and each roll can be controlled.  So in the simplest methodology, roll a 7 after the come out if most everyone is on the pass line.  Take this a little further, and I would assume the game is keeping track of each player's wins and losses, and adjust winning/losing rolls based on who is up and who is down.  So pay the don'ts for a while until the don't player loads up and the plus side players have been beaten down, then throw a point.  Or if the don't player is on the field, throw a no field.  Or throw a couple of soft numbers when a player has loaded up and/or pressed on a hard way.  Really doesn't seem that hard.  I mean, god forbid the house gets greedy and tries to take in more than the inherent built-in odds.

[Junior Miller 1,502]

43 minutes ago, shakahorn said:

Granted, I haven't played it, but I think the game knows everyone's bets before the dice are rolled and each roll can be controlled.  So in the simplest methodology, roll a 7 after the come out if most everyone is on the pass line.  Take this a little further, and I would assume the game is keeping track of each player's wins and losses, and adjust winning/losing rolls based on who is up and who is down.  So pay the don'ts for a while until the don't player loads up and the plus side players have been beaten down, then throw a point.  Or if the don't player is on the field, throw a no field.  Or throw a couple of soft numbers when a player has loaded up and/or pressed on a hard way.  Really doesn't seem that hard.  I mean, god forbid the house gets greedy and tries to take in more than the inherent built-in odds.

Are you under the impression that the entire game is electronic? The dice are oversized real dice inside of a bubble where the floor of the bubble vibrates causing the dice to tumble and then pops up quickly throwing the dice in the air to roll when the shooter hits the button. The dice aren't connected to anything. How would a casino program the machine to influence 2 individual dice not connected to the machine in any way?

Also, for about 25 minutes at the flamingo I was the only person sitting at one and during that time won a little over $75 with a one time streak something like eight of 11 rolls being eight. If the machine is rigged whoever rigged it did a really shity job. 

[High Plains Drifter 11,050]

On 5/12/2019 at 7:51 AM, slorch said:

So I was in OKC and found myself with an evening free...

 

I went to Riverwind Casino and started played craps.  $1 ante for every roll of the dice without a point established...as if the casinos are barely squeaking by. Then their odds were 3-4-5X and for the don’ts the odds were 6X your flat bet, as in the odds could be 6X the initial bet, not the payout vs your initial bet like civilized places do.  I griped about this last summer when we were in Ruidoso too.

Anyhoo, I was there and started winning from the get-go, which as 6pm when the table opened.  8 players on both ends the whole night, except for the iciest of runs, which would occur to my benefit. The play was so freaking slow, The dice made it around to me twice in 2 hours. I shot for about 20 minutes each time from the pass line, but the players seemingly always on the other end were morons and kept fucking up the flow of the game. Late bets, bullshit color ups/ getting change/ etc/etc.  It was not a fun experience, save for the kicking the casino’s ass. I played for  about 4 hours and after buying in for $200 on a $5 min table, I cashed out $6700.

It took forever, and had I been at Shreve or LC, I would have probably made $10k.   Oh yeah, beer was $3 from the cocktail waitress.

So one piece of learning, I made a don’t come bet which traveled to the 6. I paid the ante for that bet.  The shooter makes their point, not the 6.  Dealer tells me I have to ante again for the already established DC bet, of which I had already ante’ed.   I speak with the pit boss and he assures me that I must ante again on the bet.  Total complete fucking larceny.

After playing 4 hours with flat bets going up to $150, my comps were...$5.21 on my players card.  Lolz.  Barely squeaking by. 

Yes, I knew it was a shit joint and put my money down, so I should not gripe; but wholly fuck I will not be coming over here again unless it is for a Tech game or something else( now reside in Amarillo.) 

Oh and bubble craps was packed before the actual craps table opened. I don’t have a problem with the game itself, but the odds are total shit.  It plays a hellova lot faster than their live tables, that’s for sure.

 

Bitching about a 6500 net win. Nevertheless, good to hear you beat the okies.

 

I believe the casinos in OK don't get the ante. The ante goes straight to the state. The antes are basically a tax you have to pay to play.

[Guest]

Not bitching about the win, but rather the math which already favors the house.

 

Don’t really care where the ante goes.  It’s dumb as fuck.  The likelihood of me returning to play there is very, very low.

[bigup2dahorns 3,343]

LVRJ:

The ringleader of a group that scammed the Bellagio out of an estimated $1.2 million through craps has been the 36th person placed on the “black book,” Nevada’s list of excluded persons.

Mark Branco was convicted of theft and cheating at gambling by the Clark County District Court, along with Anthony Grant Granito, James Russell Cooper and Jeffrey Martin, and sentenced to prison in April 2016. Branco received the longest prison sentence of the group — four to 10 years — and was recently released. Branco did not attend the Commission meeting.

A former Bellagio craps dealer, Branco led the scheme between August 2012 and July 2014. The group was discovered when casino authorities noticed they had defied 452 billion-to-1 odds.

Bellagio dealers Branco and Cooper had been making phantom hop bets along with friends Granito and Martin. A hop bet is a high-risk, one-time proposition where players verbally wager the number they believe will be rolled next.

After winning nearly impossible odds, Gaming Control Board agents looked into the anomaly and determined that the dealers were “throwing the game” to their friends.

As a newly appointed member of the black book, casinos across the state have been directed to keep Branco out, and can call law enforcement if he appears on their premises.

[Lurch 5,931]

Late bets perhaps, or putting the chips between two numbers and acting as if it was on the correct number depending on the roll?

[henrygandorf 29,194]

yeah, i'd love to see eye in the sky video of that.

if you know it's coming, you have two players freak the fuck out screaming, getting everyone's attention, then the dealer basically places the bet/pays the bet in one motion i guess?

seems like the box man would be all over this.

[Guest]

 

[WBT 20,649]

22 hours ago, Lurch said:

Late bets perhaps, or putting the chips between two numbers and acting as if it was on the correct number depending on the roll?

Yeah, I'm thinking late verbal bets.  Something like...

Player: "Mumble mumble hopping" as the dice are thrown, throws out a black chip 

Dealer: It's a bet

Roll is 6-3

Dealer: 6-3 hopping winner

 

Two dealers were in on it.  If they were on the same table and back each other up on what they heard, they could probably get away with it once or twice.  Once it became a pattern though, you can see how they would be caught.

[Trey3216 15,350]

On 7/31/2018 at 1:09 AM, McFly said:

Casino Royale used to have 100x odds. Had some good times on those tables. 

Yep.  Casino Royals was my Vegas honey hole.   Such a piece of shit casino, but you could sit at the craps table with a $200 bankroll and play for 3 days straight if you can stay up that long.  

 

Not to mention, that on top of free drinks while playing you can buy $1 Michelob regular all day everyday.   My go to when I’m walking up and down the strip

[DallasHorn26 586]

I played in Shreveport Saturday night on a $10 table.  I started out with HG method just betting the inside 3 numbers closest to the point.  The table started getting hot, so I added in a $10 passline bet with $20-$25 odds.   I ended up walking away up $500 after a 2 hour session.