Dallas Cowboys 2020 Offseason Thread -- 25th Anniversary of Mediocrity

[Viper 12109]

11 minutes ago, blacklab said:

Well fuck

McCarthy is a fucking idiot. Get ready for several games lost a year due to stupid decisions.

 

no need to get ready, already conditioned

[Iceman 2716]

13 minutes ago, blacklab said:

Well fuck

McCarthy is a fucking idiot. Get ready for several games lost a year due to stupid decisions.

 

The experiment continues then. The Dukes will see if an idiot is worse than a coward...

[Rockethorn1978 6093]

6 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

I’m not sure anyone did. 

You expected Jerry to make a great hire after keeping Garrett for that long?

[Mo Horn 8849]

I'm on the fence. If he can get the same from Dak that he got from Rodgers it might work. Maybe he'll bring in Graham as OC. He backed up Rodgers for 4 years so they can work together. Plus it screws USC.  Although I'm fine with Moore staying, but probably in the minority here.  I wonder if Lewis would consider being DC? Again I'm probably in the minority, but I'm ok with Richard staying. 

[markstanco 12577]

29 minutes ago, youdunnf'dup said:

and there it is 

[Vic Mackey 47081]

Very meh hire. Let's see how good he looks when he isn't facing Garrett with Rodgers as his QB.

But I'm not surprised. Jerry was never going to hire a college coach with zero NFL experience. This was a comfortable hire for Jerry. As someone said, pretty uninspiring.

Now I'm curious who his staff will be

[mdmost 43004]

Jerry's dick game is strong it seems.

 

[StruggleBus 3922]

I actually like the McCarthy hire. But I’m also kind of a dumbass. So we’ll see

[LTtxfan 49247]

HaHaHa....  Mike McCarthy stayed at Jerry Jones house Saturday Night....

Jerry's like.....

OH OH OH OH OH OH.....

[Fozzz 152]

This hire does seem pretty lame, but if I were a Cowboys fan I'd try to find a silver lining here:

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In the span of three meetings with the 56-year-old McCarthy in the tundra last week, one slide on his deck spoke volumes about where he’s at with the future. It’s his football tech plan.

There’s a flow chart for his proposed 14-person Football Technology Department, including a six-person video unit and an eight-person analytics team. The Chief of Football Technology tops the department, which will run both video and analytics. The top analytics lieutenants will be a Coordinator of Database Management, Coordinator of Football Analytics and Coordinator of Mathematical Innovation. Below them: Football Technology Engineer and two Football Technology Analysts. And finally, a Football Technology Intern. McCarthy spent a day last summer at Pro Football Focus offices in Cincinnati, discovering how much more data is available than he realized. PFF data will be a key component of his analytics tree, as will GPS tracking of players and Next Gen Stats.

The mathematical innovation hire will be crucial. “This guy here has to see the world differently,” McCarthy said, pointing to that job on the flow chart. “He will be very, very important.”

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/12/16/mike-mccarthy-coaching-nfl-fmia-week-15-peter-king/

It will be interesting to see how serious he is about implementing these things.

[Vic Mackey 47081]

Jerry's dick game is strong it seems.
 

So this is like Jim Harbaugh having a slumber party with recruits??

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[Hiphopopotamos 20875]

An analysis of Aaron Rodgers and the problems with McCarthy's offense (with gifs):

https://presnapreads.com/does-aaron-rodgers-throw-the-ball-away-too-much/

A prevalent criticism of Aaron Rodgers is that he is too cautious. That he doesn’t take enough risks and that he’s too quick to throw the ball away. In 2018, Rodgers led the league in throwaways with 52. He had by far the highest rate of throwaways, 8.7 percent, so it would appear that the criticism of the Green Bay Packers quarterback is valid.

Rodgers doesn’t make bad decisions and he doesn’t force throws into windows unless it’s a calculated decision. That’s not uncommon amongst good quarterbacks. Tom Brady doesn’t force the ball into non-existent windows. He doesn’t get the criticism that Rodgers gets because Brady doesn’t hold the ball as long behind the line of scrimmage as Rodgers does.

The framing of Rodgers’ reluctance to release the ball is where the criticism comes apart.

Of his 52 throwaways in 2018, only 10 were actually Rodgers’ fault. In those 10 plays he either didn’t see an open receiver he should have seen, he broke the pocket prematurely taking away his options or gave up on the play too quickly. Of the remaining 42 plays, he had no open receiver because of play design 18 times, his receivers failed to win a route or his pass protection broke down too quickly 12 times, just great defense was played on 10 occasions and twice the Packers used an intentional throwaway to drain time off the clock before kicking a field goal.

Because Rodgers throws the ball away a lot and because NFL analysis is largely just surface analysis that puts everything positive or negative on the quarterback, the belief is that Rodgers is doing this too often. That’s the real question. Is Rodgers too cautious or is he simply reacting to what happens around him. Is reacting appropriately to the situations his offense put him in.

More specifically, the situations Mike McCarthy put him in.

Tom Brady is able to get rid of the ball quickly when he wants to because the Patriots offense has never relied heavily on slow-developing route combinations. Brady has spent most of his career in shotgun, with smart route combinations that gave him short throws, intermediate throws or deep shots with adequate protection so it’s been exceptionally difficult to get to him before the ball is scheduled to leave his hands. Obviously Brady’s mind plays a huge role in the success of that approach, but he needs the approach to play that way.

On Rodgers’ Misses

The 10 throwaways on Rodgers weren’t all egregiously bad misses. A couple of them were plays he definitely should have made, but most of them are arguable.

On this play against Washington, Rodgers gets good pass protection. He doesn’t have a wide open receiver but Davante Adams runs a good break in his post route to turn the defender the wrong way. There’s a moment where Rodgers can unleash the ball deep downfield, leading Adams away fromt he lingering deep safety. It’s a missed opportunity but the deep safety and the recovering cornerback mean this isn’t as wide open a throw it might have been.

After he leaves the pocket, his receiver comes open deep down the right sideline. That’s a very difficult throw but one Rodgers is capable of making.

This would be an example of an arguable play.

And this is an egregious miss. It’s a simple slant-flat combination, something the Packers run a lot of. Adams lines up out wide and runs the slant against Richard Sherman’s off coverage. He clears the underneath defender who is following the flat route so that he’s in space. Rodgers doesn’t throw the ball, instead he runs himself into trouble forcing the throwaway to avoid a sack.

The suggestion that Rodgers is constantly not seeing wide open receivers has always been a baseless one. He doesn’t see open receivers, sometimes they’re wide open, as does every other quarterback in the league.

 

Play Design

A peculiar aspect of the Packers’ play designs is how much they use deep curl routes after hard play fakes. It’s not something other teams do with any kind of regularity. The spacing on those plays rarely allows for easy throws. The route combinations don’t pull the defense apart or stress the deep and intermediate levels.

This play against the Vikings has another particularly peculiar quirk to it.

Equanimous St. Brown is the receiver in the tight slot inside of Davante Adams. While Adams releases downfield, St. Brown appears to be selling that he’s run blocking. It’s a lot of effort to get inside of the defender and put yourself in a position where it’s easy for the cornerback to cover your actual route. This is overselling the play fake. St. Brown doesn’t need to get to the cornerback’s inside shoulder.

He can threaten infield and then accelerate down the sideline. That way he’s never inside of the defender and he can get level with him early in the route.

Instead what actually happens is the cornerback can see the backfield and his assigned receiver in the same line of vision. He knows the quarterback has the ball and he’s on top of St. Brown. When St. Brown redirects to run deep, there is no misdirection, it’s as if he has waited for the cornerback so as to make it easier for him to cover him. St. Brown has no chance of getting level or in behind the cornerback who comfortably sits on top of his route through its lifespan.

Play action in general was a big issue for the Packers last season.

There are good play action designs and there are bad play action designs. Kyle Shanahan’s designs are outstanding. Mike McCarthy’s lacked purpose. A major issue was the lack of immediate options for Rodgers on bootleg actions. In the above play, there is nobody underneath or in the flat on the side of the field that Rodgers rolls to. That does two things.

It forces Rodgers to hold the ball and wait for a deeper route to come open. And it frees up the backside defender to shoot after the quarterback rather than respect a receiving threat in his space.

Randall Cobb is being wasted on this play. He’s sealing the edge on the left side for a running play that doesn’t exist. Rodgers faking a pitch also means it’s easier for the backside defenders to see that he still has the ball. Cobb has no opportunity to get into a route and even if he does he’s on the wrong side of the field. The backside tight end is also blocking the edge defender as if it was a running play. He gets out into a route far too late.

The Packers have committed three skill position players to execute an unconvincing run action. They have a receiver deep downfield in behind the defense but without the protection on the backside of the fake, Rodgers never has a chance to throw to him.

Typically, the more receivers you can get into routes the better. Committing three eligible receivers to the play fake and having them go against the flow of the quarterback takes away his options. When those players aren’t executing blocks, they’re literally useless. When they are executing blocks, they’re ineffective for the play as a whole even if they’re effective in that specific assignment.

Evidence of a plan in these designs is hard to find. The same lack of thought or process exists in McCarthy’s route combinations on straight dropbacks.

When his receivers aren’t running isolated routes with extended vertical stems so that they have to win one-on-one matchups, McCarthy regularly had his receivers meet at points downfield late in the play. That’s the opposite of what you want to do. You want to have your receivers spring each other free by crossing each other early in the play or attacking different levels of the field in the same line of vision late in the play.

By having his receivers converge after a couple of seconds, McCarthy’s offense naturally creates crowds. In the above play four of his five receiving options are running to the same spot. With the fifth option comfortably covered, Rodgers is forced to throw the ball away.

All of the following examples come on throwaways that occurred because of poor play design..

On this play Jimmy Graham and Randall Cobb run the same route right next to each other. They form a caterpillar in the middle of the field. At the top of the screen is a curl route while Davante Adams runs a shallow crossing route into the middle also. The field is condensed and two of the quarterback’s receivers are covering each other.

Again, the receivers are following each other on this play against Washington. It’s a condensed field with the two narrow side receivers coming together while the two receivers wide on the wide side of the field follow each other, creating a train that the defensive backs can just sit off and wait to pick up their assignments.

It’s hard to know what he expected but McCarthy regularly ran a wheel route behind a nine route on the same side of the field. The wheel route came from the slot rather than the backfield, so the second receiver was right on the ass of the first receiver. It’s like a relay race so there is no window for Rodgers to ever throw into.

Wheel routes work when the outside receiver takes away the deep defense by running a route infield or short. Running two players to the same spot doesn’t create any space.

NFL games are broadcast on an angle that doesn’t show what is happening downfield. Rodgers missed some reads last year, but more often than not when he was holding the ball too long and frantically searching for an option to throw to, he was looking at stuff like this. These three receivers have run through their routes. They are 16, 18 and 24 yards downfield. They should not be converging at this point of the play.

There is nowhere for Rodgers to throw this ball. He holds it, extends the play to the sideline in the hopes that someone can come open, but nobody ever does.

As a coach, you want to stress specific spots on the field. You want to have route combinations that will work against man or zone coverage and you want to call specific plays to attack specific coverages if you can anticipate what the defense does by its tendencies. McCarthy’s offense didn’t do any of these things. An egregious error was not working the middle of the field on third downs.

While Aaron Rodgers is capable of making any throw, that shouldn’t be used as an excuse to avoid creating easier throws for him. On both of these plays the offense has nobody in the middle of the field at or close tot he first down line by design. Pushing the ball outside the numbers is tougher than throwing over the middle and it’s also tougher for a quarterback to read one side then go all the way to the other side outside the numbers.

These play designs stress the offense and make life easier for the defense. Rodgers doesn’t have anywhere to go with the ball on either play, throwing it away before heading to the sideline.

Screens also showcased how rudimentary the Packers offense was. This is the kind of straight forward screen design that you would see on Madden. The running back leaks out and has blocking from his center. There is no misdirection. There is no delay. The center runs out instantly so the second-level defenders know that a screen is coming.

But the running back can’t even reach that point of the play. His timing with his left guard is off so he gets trapped. Once the left guard sheds his man, he actually gets in the passing lane between Rodgers and his running back.

Forcing another throwaway.

 

Receiver/Pass Protection Failures

The key player to focus on in this play is Geronimo Allison. Allison is lined up at the bottom of the screen working against press coverage. He’s running a slant route. With the Vikings showing two deep safeties, Rodgers’ eyes look to Allison. He wants to catch the ball and release it quickly, leading Allison into the open space in the middle of the field.

But Allison’s route is bad. His release leads the cornerback inside, setting him up to stand in front of Allison when he tries to plant his outside foot and break infield. The receiver needed to threaten the outside or release vertically before breaking inside. By being so slow and imprecise with his initial actions, the timing of the play is taken away.

Without that timing, Rodgers is forced to hold the ball in the pocket. A pocket that closes quickly through his left tackle. None of Rodgers’ other options create separation but it didn’t matter either way because he was forced off his spot. Once he escapes the initial pressure, he’s swarmed by multiple defenders, forcing him to throw the ball away.

During the earlier years of Rodgers’ career and the McCarthy reign, the Packers had great individual talents at receiver. Take the 2012 team as an example. That roster boasted Randall Cobb when he was still explosive, Jordy Nelson prior to his ACL tear, Greg Jennings close enough to his peak, Donald Driver during his final season, James Jones in his prime and Jermichael Finley prior to his career-ending injury.

Over recent years, the Packers have managed to find receivers who lack the ability to create separation laterally but who also aren’t fast in a straight line. If Davante Adams wins off the line of scrimmage he can get open, if he doesn’t he’s likely to be shut down. The rest of the supporting cast of pass catchers too often squashes the field or forces Rodgers to throw them open.

This throwaway from the Lions matchup in Detroit showcases how slow the Packers skill position players are. Focus on the slot. Jimmy Graham and Equanimous St. Brown are in a bunch together. St. Brown is running a lateral double move while Graham is working an in-breaking route that requires a vertical release. Both options are too slow initially but St. Brown especially. He allows the defensive back to latch onto him so the play is dead almost immediately.

While his lumbering receivers aren’t getting open quickly, Rodgers’ right guard is beaten with ease. Throwing the ball away is the only option.

Normally when you have two players tight together in the slot or tight to the offensive line, it makes it easier for the receivers to create quick separation. The defensive backs have to fear them breaking to either side so there is more space to cover. Defenses are generally fearful of pressing both players in these situations because they’ll get picked off. That’s not the case against the Packers receivers because of how slow they are.

Randall Cobb’s demise was a major problem for the Packers. He was supposed to be the foundation of the passing game alongside Nelson then alongside Adams. The undersized slot receiver who could get open in an instant to catch uncontested passes before turning upfield to extend gains after the catch. Instead, whether through injuries or something else, Cobb’s explosiveness disappeared very early in his career.

He isn’t an explosive player who creates consistent separation. When the defense plays man coverage, he requires a significant error from the defender to get open.

Cobb’s lack of explosiveness combined with the way McCarthy used him captured the overall issues with the Packers offense. His lack of explosiveness was accentuated rather than masked by McCarthy asking him to run isolated vertical routes. Defensive backs didn’t fear his long speed at all and he isn’t big enough to shed aggressive upper body coverage. That meant that defensive backs regularly just leaned on Cobb as he advanced downfield.

Plays such as the one above are why he could only garner a cheap contract from the Cowboys in free agency.

Rodgers is in a situation where he can make the right read to get rid of the ball quickly and still be forced into hold the ball. This is an RPO. Jimmy Graham is lined up out wide and Equanimous St. Brown is in the slot. Rodgers recognizes that St. Brown is being covered by the deep safety so the Packers have numbers outside for a quick throw.

St. Brown runs a flat route but he runs into Jimmy Graham who released inside of his receiver. Graham likely should have released to the outside. Rodgers recognizes this collision before it happens and turns to escape pressure before throwing the ball away.

Receivers releasing properly to maintain the integrity of the whole play was a consistent issue for the Packers. It typically is for teams without quality receiving options in a scheme that stresses receivers winning on their own off the line of scrimmage and through their stems.

 

Whether Matt LaFleur is a good head coach or not is to be determined. He’s barely been an offensive coordinator so there’s no point making any educated guesses. But the bar is low to be an improvement on McCarthy. The Packers coaching staff and supporting cast on the field last year was so bad that the offense should improve if the replacements can just be below average.

Assuming that’s the case, Rodgers shouldn’t have as many throwaways next season. The Packers offense should be a lot smoother as a whole.

[Hiphopopotamos 20875]

 

[irishtexan 11521]

15 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

I'm on the fence. If he can get the same from Dak that he got from Rodgers it might work. Maybe he'll bring in Graham as OC. He backed up Rodgers for 4 years so they can work together. Plus it screws USC.  Although I'm fine with Moore staying, but probably in the minority here.  I wonder if Lewis would consider being DC? Again I'm probably in the minority, but I'm ok with Richard staying. 

It's this simple, people. All he needs to do is get "all time top-three to ever play the position" level of play out of Dak Prescott and then MAYBE it will work. Maybe.

Fuck me... 

Edited January 6, 2020 by irishtexan

[dcar00 14269]

This was always the likely hire. 

Jerry hires an up and coming guy its a stick in the eye to Garrett and he's to old to try to be responsible for "developing the coach" so he can take all the credit. He also doesn't have to answer questions about McCarthy's resume, just like he didn't when he hired Parcells. 

No belichickian run but maybe we see consistent playoff and an NFC champ game or 2 over the next 5 to 6 years.  Dak is no Rodgers.  

At least we don't have to watch our coach doing nothing but spitting and clapping on the sideline during the games.  be interesting to see who the DC is.

[Burt Macklin 19038]

On the bright side for Cowboys fans, McCarthy is very likely an immediate upgrade over Garrett. On the downside, that is a woefully underwhelming hire when considering all the options. McCarthy was a great offensive mind when he started as the Packers' HC, but he failed to innovate or update his scheme much at all and by his last years, everyone knew exactly what was being run, so their only option for success was Rodgers making off schedule plays. He also kept Dom Capers for about 4 years too long.  Maybe he's reinvented himself during his year off, but it seems a lot more likely that he's the same guy who wasted most of Rodgers' prime and kept a horrible DC in place for far too long.

[Vic Mackey 47081]

Reading that long article, Mike McCarthy is basically Garrett in his design, which sucks. It's just that Rodgers was better than Romo or Dak. And could improvise a little more and make better throws.

It seems their offense is just as bland and predictable with long developing routes and not utilizing the middle of the field. Telegraphed screen passes. Having the most success only when the WRs beat their man, not really by scheming anyone open.

That article pretty much confirms my thoughts on McCarthy before this hire and why Rodgers did not get along with him and wanted to move on. McCarthy was let go just a few seasons after an NFC title appearance, too. That should tell you something.

[shnsajax 3591]

Perfect Jerry hire. I'm not sure how anyone expected anything different than this. 

I kind of expected it. He was the middle hire for me, could have been better, could have been worse. Still happy to have him over Garrett. Curious to if we ever had a shot for Rhule as I don’t think we did.

[JOSEYWALES66 1805]

Someone do a gif of Charlie Brown missing the kick held by Lucy for the cowboys. 
 

Jerry is Lucy, the ball are the playoff hopes of the cowboy fans  and the kicker is McCarthy. 

[mdmost 43004]

I'm sure what happened is McCarthy spent the entire interview wowing Jerry with football verbal diarrhea. Jerry being so desirous to be taken seriously as a football man, was immediately floored and just had to snap up this guy that no team wanted. 

Edited January 6, 2020 by mdmost

[dcar00 14269]

the good news is McCarthy just has to win the shitty NFC East. 

[Burt Macklin 19038]

2 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

Reading that long article, Mike McCarthy is basically Garrett in his design, which sucks. It's just that Rodgers was better than Romo or Dak. And could improvise a little more and make better throws.

It seems their offense is just as bland and predictable with long developing routes and not utilizing the middle of the field. Telegraphed screen passes. Having the most success only when the WRs beat their man, not really by scheming anyone open.

That article pretty much confirms my thoughts on McCarthy before this hire and why Rodgers did not get along with him and wanted to move on. McCarthy was let go just a few seasons after an NFC title appearance, too. That should tell you something.

McCarthy would utilize slants on a 3rd and 5, but he would otherwise generally ignore the middle of the field. And yeah, teams have had GB's offense under McCarthy completely figured out for at least 5 years, and he didn't change a thing.  His coaching tree is also horrible: Joe Philbin, Bob McAdoo. 

Also, the Packers were bottom half of the league in defensive DVOA every year from 2012 - 2017 except for one, and he kept Dom Capers employed as his DC that entire time and probably cost the Packers at least one more trip to the Super Bowl during Rodgers' prime. 

 

 

[StruggleBus 3922]

20 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

An analysis of Aaron Rodgers and the problems with McCarthy's offense (with gifs):

https://presnapreads.com/does-aaron-rodgers-throw-the-ball-away-too-much/

 

 

How will we be able to tell if Dak throws the ball away or he just made another terrible Dak throw?

[dcar00 14269]

Unless McCarthy is a complete disaster, this is Jerry's last ride. all questions will be answered by "I hired a Super Bowl winning coach".  IMO, Stephen will pick the next coach.

[Vic Mackey 47081]

Yep. And like Garrett, McCarthy's offense was good early on. Remember in 2007, Garrett took the league by storm. We started off like 11-1. But after the league got tape and figured it out, he never ever adjusted. And we still ran that same offense up to his last game he coached against Washington.

I am listening to ESPN Radio and they are playing a clip from a podcast with McCarthy.. How he has learned from this departure and reflecting. Now he wants to study and implement analytics and design new schemes. My question about that is why did it take leaving GB to do this? Was he that stubborn to where he did not want to change or think he had to? Sounds like the last coach we just got rid of. Everyone watching the games and all the outside noise said that McCarthy was holding Green Bay and Rodgers back and not utilizing him the best way. But his offense never changed.

And yes, defense concerns me. Like here, Green Bay's defense was never good and never seemed to be a priority under McCarthy.

[Mudcat35 196]

Not a home run hire, but if you're Jerry Jones, who are you going to get?  Most top-tier coaches are not going to want to work for Jerry.  Is McCarthy an upgrade over Garrett?  Oh, hell yes he is.

['stache 21819]

I mean Randy Kitchens was available and would have been a perfect lap dog for Jerry. Or he could have adopted Kellen Moore as his new pet ginger. It could have been a whole lot worse. If its true McCarthy is doing some reevaluating, it could work on both ends (keeps Jerry happy, not scared to innovate).

[JohnnyRage 1617]

Holy long cat post.

[DanTheHorn 4934]

1 hour ago, Trey3216 said:

[DougO 5250]

McCarthy is a lot like Jason Garrett, except he had a sure-fire HOF quarterback in his prime for 13 years making his offense look a lot better than it was. He was a system guy, for what is now an antiquated system that has had many revisions and updates since. Rodgers didn't have kind things to say about him. When one of your primary needs is  a great coach/QB relationship with an eye towards innovation and getting ahead of the curve and a quick mind to handle game situations, this doesn't seem like a good hire. Just more of the same.

The change in offensive system could be beneficial for a while, but before long every team will know what the Cowboys are going to do better than the Cowboys, which sounds familiar. I hope that stories about McCarthey re-inventing himself with tremendous research and studying tendancies since he was fired have some merit, but a coach generally doesn't change his personality after he's been in the business and had a modicum of success. A system guy is a system guy.

 

[DanTheHorn 4934]

1 hour ago, michaelpshayes said:

I knew it when I saw the interview peter king did with McCarthy ... that knob sucking was perfect for Jerry 

[Irish Wrist Watch 1379]

10 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

On the bright side for Cowboys fans, McCarthy is very likely an immediate upgrade over Garrett. On the downside, that is a woefully underwhelming hire when considering all the options. McCarthy was a great offensive mind when he started as the Packers' HC, but he failed to innovate or update his scheme much at all and by his last years, everyone knew exactly what was being run, so their only option for success was Rodgers making off schedule plays. He also kept Dom Capers for about 4 years too long.  Maybe he's reinvented himself during his year off, but it seems a lot more likely that he's the same guy who wasted most of Rodgers' prime and kept a horrible DC in place for far too long.

You nailed it. How the fuck can the Joneses make such an important decision so damn fast? This was an opportunity to talk with a dozen of the sharpest offensive minds in pro football and learn a little bit about why the fuck their old coach couldn't keep up. They could have hired one of these guys and ushered in a whole new era of a multiple set/creative playmaking power fucking football.

Winning in the NFL isn't about getting a little bit better - it's about getting better faster than your opponents. Everybody will be a little better next year, and here we have a fucking retread who is basically old school, but capable of calling time outs - maybe. Now the question is, what fucking OC will he get. It won't be an OC from a good team. Who the fuck that's good would make a lateral more. The answer is, nobody. Some fucking QB coach or wide receivers coach from a good team - maybe. It isn't the same thing.

The Joneses don't know how to win. They got lucky with Jimmy Johnson - that's the only winning they've ever done. they're just a couple of hicks from Arkansas with money.

[dcar00 14269]

Stephen probably would have hired a guy like Roman.  Jerry did not want to deal with an unknown.

the funny thing is this hire is exactly why you don't give a 90M contract to a running back, who needs to be "fed".

[Vic Mackey 47081]

2 minutes ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

You nailed it. How the fuck can the Joneses make such an important decision so damn fast? This was an opportunity to talk with a dozen of the sharpest offensive minds in pro football and learn a little bit about why the fuck their old coach couldn't keep up. They could have hired one of these guys and ushered in a whole new era of a multiple set/creative playmaking power fucking football.

Winning in the NFL isn't about getting a little bit better - it's about getting better faster than your opponents. Everybody will be a little better next year, and here we have a fucking retread who is basically old school, but capable of calling time outs - maybe. Now the question is, what fucking OC will he get. It won't be an OC from a good team. Who the fuck that's good would make a lateral more. The answer is, nobody. Some fucking QB coach or wide receivers coach from a good team - maybe. It isn't the same thing.

The Joneses don't know how to win. They got lucky with Jimmy Johnson - that's the only winning they've ever done. they're just a couple of hicks from Arkansas with money.

Yep. Why be in a hurry? So many guys out there that will be looking to prove themselves. And like you said, sharp offensive minds. That is what we need. We ran a stale offense for over a decade under Garrett. We desperately need some new fusion to this offense with Dak. The offense he ran was not suited for him. We are not utilizing his strengths. Which was the knock on McCarthy.

Jerry in essence hired the first guy he genuinely interviewed. Marvin Lewis was a Rooney Rule interview. He was never a true candidate. 

[clapclapclap 9000]

I hope making his daughter Melissa a cheerleader wasn't part of the deal.

[AUS-97HORN 11809]

underwhelmed.

although McCarthy has won a superbowl in the Deathstar.... and his packers beat Romo in the Deathstar a few years ago...

meaning he has just as many playoff wins in the Deathstar as Garrett had in 2 fewer years

 

[Incredulity 11675]

46 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

An analysis of Aaron Rodgers and the problems with McCarthy's offense (with gifs):

https://presnapreads.com/does-aaron-rodgers-throw-the-ball-away-too-much/

 

 

Honestly,

I wish I cared enough about, pretty much anything, to put this much work into it.

Jesus.

[Huckleberry 32997]

16 minutes ago, Mudcat35 said:

Not a home run hire, but if you're Jerry Jones, who are you going to get?  Most top-tier coaches are not going to want to work for Jerry.  Is McCarthy an upgrade over Garrett?  Oh, hell yes he is.

Exactly. This was about as good a hire as Jerry Jones could make for the Cowboys.

It's weird to me how many people think Lincoln Riley and/or Matt Rhule are sure things in the NFL. It's the same sport but it's a completely different environment. They could both completely flop.

[DigglerontheHoof 21202]

Jerry's still the GM, right?  It don't make a shit.  Get ready for more of what you've seen the last 25 years. 

[Irish Wrist Watch 1379]

It's a good bet McCarthy came cheap. So Jerry for all his fucking talk about spending whatever it takes, turned into an old fucking miser, counting his pennies. So McCarthy wants to build an analytics department. Good luck with that. The clown car just got more crowded.

 

[Tex Pete 20399]

1 hour ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

You expected Jerry to make a great hire after keeping Garrett for that long?

No, this is a meh hire, and that's absolutely what I expected from Jerry. He won't ever be overshadowed by his coach again. He learned his lesson when Jimmy Johnson built a multiple Super Bowl winning organization.

[dcar00 14269]

3 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

Yep. Why be in a hurry? So many guys out there that will be looking to prove themselves. And like you said, sharp offensive minds. That is what we need. We ran a stale offense for over a decade under Garrett. We desperately need some new fusion to this offense with Dak. The offense he ran was not suited for him. We are not utilizing his strengths. Which was the knock on McCarthy.

Jerry in essence hired the first guy he genuinely interviewed. Marvin Lewis was a Rooney Rule interview. He was never a true candidate. 

He was in a hurry because McCarthy was the only Super Bowl winning coach available.  If he lost him where does he go?  This was the safe easy hire and makes me think he really really really didn't want to fire Garrett.  the Zeke contract was built around Garrett's offensive philosophy.  It is a complete waste of money now and no one knows if Dak can run the Aaron Rodgers offense.

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[Tex Pete 20399]

Just now, dcar00 said:

He was in a hurry because McCarthy was the only Super Bowl winning coach available.

That sounds like aggy talking about Jimbo.

Now, Jerry is going to start telling us all about NFC East speed! It just means more.

[Vic Mackey 47081]

2 of McCarthy's NFC championship game appearances came because he got to face Garrett with Rodgers. One of this other ones he had Favre.

McCarthy had Favre and then Rodgers his entire duration. Garrett had Romo and Dak. Favre/Rodgers >>> Romo/Dak. I think anyone would agree with that.

I just recall so many blunders under McCarthy like the Garrett era. Mainy clock management issues and just not being prepared out of timeouts and clock stoppages.

[dcar00 14269]

Just now, Tex Pete said:

That sounds like aggy talking about Jimbo.

Now, Jerry is going to start telling us all about NFC East speed! It just means more.

well he wasn't a sitting NFL Super Bowl winning head coach but close enough!

[Post Oak 20244]

I'm underwhelmed but maybe I'm selling McCarthy short.

Honestly, it doesn't matter, I'll have talked myself into it in August.  Even though I know better.

Go Cowboys. I guess

[dcar00 14269]

Just now, Post Oak said:

I'm underwhelmed but maybe I'm selling McCarthy short.

Honestly, it doesn't matter, I'll have talked myself into it in August.  Even though I know better.

Go Cowboys. I guess

yes you will because the NFC East is so bad every team thinks they have a shot.

[Vic Mackey 47081]

2 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

He was in a hurry because McCarthy was the only Super Bowl winning coach available.  If he lost him where does he go?  This was the safe easy hire and makes me think he really really really didn't want to fire Garrett.  the Zeke contract was built around Garrett's offensive philosophy.  It is a complete waste of money now and no one knows if Dak can run the Aaron Rodgers offense.

How many coaches have won Super Bowls with multiple teams in the history of the sport? None. As a head coach that is. I don't think being a Super Bowl winning coach means much going forward. Especially when that title was about a decade ago.

Every single Super Bowl winning coach I can think of, was not some huge hotshot before then. Mike Tomlin was unproven. Coughlin never won consistently before he won it all. Belichik was a great DC under Parcells. Had a few good seasons with Cleveland and then was fired. Pete Carroll was an NFL flameout before he came back to do it again.