Big Green Egg & Other Ceramic Grills All Encompassing Thread

[DDD Dad 14352]

[DDD Dad 14352]

OK so beef ribs are awesome and so much easier than brisket.

Plus a single plate is a whole lot more manageable for me as an empty nester than a 15 LB brisket.

Might be my new go to for BBQ.

[Dry Elbows 142]

21 hours ago, DDD Dad said:

Enough pepper?

I say add more next time. 

[Dry Elbows 142]

Here's some pics of a brisket I did a couple of weeks ago.  I soaked some post oak chunks in water for 24-30 hours and that really helped with the smoke flavor.  Brisket was probably about 12.5# after trimming.  Cook time was 9 hours at 260*.  It was sitting on the counter sliced for a while before I took that pic.

Edited June 22, 2020 by Dry Elbows

[Tailgate 3024]

[Lurch 5931]

Trying a different setup today, using one of the deflector plates as a wall and leaving the coal exposed so that I can add wood chunks/chips throughout the smoke

[CycleTex87 2981]

Picked up a 13 lb Prime packer at HEB today to give the Kamado Joe the first try at a long low cook on July 4th. Looking forward to it for sure. 

[Sam Lin 3561]

10 hours ago, Lurch said:

Trying a different setup today, using one of the deflector plates as a wall and leaving the coal exposed so that I can add wood chunks/chips throughout the smoke

That should work fine, is very similar to the Slow n Sear add-on to Weber, and you're in a kamado which has better insulation and more even temperature distribution. That said, depending on the heat distribution, you might rotate the meat 180' (point the bones to the left) midway through the cook.

[crimsonlonghorn 2306]

Tried to do a "Franklin Method" brisket on my new XL BGE yesterday and it turned out fantastic. Only weird thing was that it didn't stall until around ~185 but then it fell back under 180 for about 3 hours before rising again. Had the probe in the same spot I always stick brisket with, so maybe it was just a weird cut?

Then after I wrapped it and put it back on I couldn't get the dome temp to get back below 300, so I ended up taking it off and finishing it in the oven at 210 for a couple of hours instead. 

All in all took ~11 hours including an hour of rest before we sliced and it was great. Probably one of the best I've ever made and I didn't have to mess with adding wood or lumps one time. Pretty sure I'll figure out how to do it "right" on the BGE with a little more practice, but can't say this one wasn't all that bad to begin with. 

Did not think to get a picture of the finished brisket yesterday, but here is a pic of this afternoon's leftovers lunch after church. 

 

Edited July 5, 2020 by crimsonlonghorn

[Dry Elbows 142]

@crimsonlonghorn have you tried using a BBQ guru on your BGE to hold temp?

 

[DDD Dad 14352]

[mention=1991]crimsonlonghorn[/mention] have you tried using a BBQ guru on your BGE to hold temp?
 

This man espouses wisdom.

[crimsonlonghorn 2306]

1 hour ago, Dry Elbows said:

@crimsonlonghorn have you tried using a BBQ guru on your BGE to hold temp?

 

Just got the BGE for Father's Day, so no. Have heard it is a good tool to use. 

[DDD Dad 14352]

Just got the BGE for Father's Day, so no. Have heard it is a good tool to use. 

It will change your life.

That and a couple of other add ones that are posted up thread will enhance your enjoyment and ease your cooks.

[Baboontyme 2825]

I got my table over the weekend from JJGeorge. It's quite nice. Wife is super pleased about me having to make room on the back patio for my Primo, my WSM, my Weber Genesis and my Blackstone. (not to mention the trailer parked in the garage)

[Etexhorn13 3053]

Jumping in and getting the 18” Vision S series grill. Getting my new patio built next week and this thread has inspired me; should have it in just in time for the weekend. Anything that should be an immediate purchase with this?

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Vision-Grills-Kamado-Professional-Ceramic-Charcoal-Grill-in-Orange-with-Grill-Cover-S-O4C1D1/206493536

[HouTex 1894]

Jumping in and getting the 18” Vision S series grill. Getting my new patio built next week and this thread has inspired me; should have it in just in time for the weekend. Anything that should be an immediate purchase with this?
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Vision-Grills-Kamado-Professional-Ceramic-Charcoal-Grill-in-Orange-with-Grill-Cover-S-O4C1D1/206493536

Make sure it has a deflector plate or you’ll need to buy one for long smokes. Also get a grate with feet that sits on the main grate that allows for another level of cooking for ribs or whatever.

[Lurch 5931]

I got my table over the weekend from JJGeorge. It's quite nice. Wife is super pleased about me having to make room on the back patio for my Primo, my WSM, my Weber Genesis and my Blackstone. (not to mention the trailer parked in the garage)

I hate to drop another $800, but my original Primo stand is rusting through. Let us know what you think of this one

[Jerry Callo 8732]

2 hours ago, Etexhorn13 said:

Jumping in and getting the 18” Vision S series grill. Getting my new patio built next week and this thread has inspired me; should have it in just in time for the weekend. Anything that should be an immediate purchase with this?

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Vision-Grills-Kamado-Professional-Ceramic-Charcoal-Grill-in-Orange-with-Grill-Cover-S-O4C1D1/206493536

I've had my Vision since November 2018.  Although the electric starter seemed like an no brainer, I have gone to just using starter cubes or nests.  For the low temperature cooks I do (<300), the electric starter makes too big of a fire.  It is easier to plan for 45 mins - 1 hour to get the fire regulated than it is to get the temperature back down because of having too big of a fire.

Here are the accessories I have:

Large Woo Ring; 2 half stones; 1 whole stone; 16" drip pan - Ceramic Grill Store

Kick Ash Basket and Kick Ash Grate Hook from Kick Ash Basket 

Pit Viper Fan and Adapter from BBQ Guru paired with a FireBoard drive and fan control cable from FireBoard Labs

The Woo Ring and stones allow for multiple configurations of the grill and act as heat deflectors (smoking or indirect cooking).  The Kick Ash Basket requires removal of the electric starter shield, but it was no problem for me since I stopped using the electric starter.  The FireBoard and Pit Viper are expensive, but allow for almost effortless regulation of fire and temperature.

[Etexhorn13 3053]

I didn’t see it anywhere in the instructions but I’m pretty sure this thing starts playing the Eyes of Texas when your food is done cooking. 

Edited July 16, 2020 by Etexhorn13

[Jerry Callo 8732]

8 hours ago, Etexhorn13 said:

I didn’t see it anywhere in the instructions but I’m pretty sure this thing starts playing the Eyes of Texas when your food is done cooking. 

You'll probably want to move it outside.

 

Just a word of caution.  Be really careful when you roll it.  They are fairly back heavy with the large hinge and can easily tip over if the casters get caught in a grove or something.  I always move mine by pulling it into place from the hinge side as opposed to pushing it.

Edited July 16, 2020 by Jerry Callo

[Lurch 5931]

Anyone tried the Cowboy lump? I’d assume it sucks because it’s half the price of everything else I see for the same weight

[TankedBevo 2486]

1 hour ago, Lurch said:

Anyone tried the Cowboy lump? I’d assume it sucks because it’s half the price of everything else I see for the same weight

It sucks. I've heard good things about B&B which I haven't tried. Royal Oak and the BGE lump have been decent to good.

[Mac8111 2117]

Anyone tried the Cowboy lump? I’d assume it sucks because it’s half the price of everything else I see for the same weight

I bought it. Won’t buy it again. B&B is good.


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[CycleTex87 2981]

B&B is my go to.  $11-12 at HEB for 20#.

[Lurch 5931]

B&B is my go to.  $11-12 at HEB for 20#.

Lol you guys have it so good. Cowboy was $17, Rockwood is $25, B&B is about 30 when avail and Fogo is almost $40 per 20 lbs

[pops 7007]

9 hours ago, Lurch said:

Anyone tried the Cowboy lump? I’d assume it sucks because it’s half the price of everything else I see for the same weight

Cowboy is really sparky and gets hot and cold spots. 

[Etexhorn13 3053]

22 hours ago, Etexhorn13 said:

I didn’t see it anywhere in the instructions but I’m pretty sure this thing starts playing the Eyes of Texas when your food is done cooking. 

Alright well it didn’t actually play the eyes as my own personal meat thermometer, but I did grill a couple pork tenderloins to christen this biotch. Immediately I realized what I mistake i made five years ago when I bought a propane grill when I got married. (The mistake was the grill, not the marriage...) 

My wife is going to have to adjust to things being a little smoky, although I noticed even with a 25-30 min grill there was the tiniest bit of smoke ring. Anything to be done to mitigate that if I’m not necessarily looking for a smoke flavor? Used b&b lump. TBH never really cooked on charcoal myself unless fucking around at a friends lake house or something like that. I myself didn’t expect it to taste that smoky (it was fucking delicious though)

[Sam Lin 3561]

Did you wait long enough for the charcoal to burn "clean?" Also, different brands of coal vary in smoke flavor.

[Etexhorn13 3053]

5 hours ago, Sam Lin said:

Did you wait long enough for the charcoal to burn "clean?" Also, different brands of coal vary in smoke flavor.

This may be it. It took me a while to get the coals going so I was a little antsy to get the meat on the grill. 

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2 hours ago, Etexhorn13 said:

This may be it. It took me a while to get the coals going so I was a little antsy to get the meat on the grill. 

At grilling temps you shouldn't get much smoke at all,  but if you want to taste the meat and not the heat I think you know where to look. 

[TankedBevo 2486]

Pulled pork from the Vision Grill yesterday turned out finominle. The pork shoulder I got from one of those bulk meat delivery companies and was absolutely massive so I cut it in half so it didn't take 9 years to finish. My first trial with B&B lump charcoal and I was amazed at how easy it was to control the temp with it. I think I adjusted my vents a total of three times in an 8hr smoke, it was awesome. 

[Etexhorn13 3053]

Gonna piggyback on your post because I did very much the same thing this weekend... vision grill, b&b, pork butt and ribs. This was the first time I’ve ever actually smoked anything and i was shocked by how easy it was. Made probably a few too many adjustments to the dials early on because of impatience, but Once I figured out to just let it chill there were no issues. I stayed within 10 degrees on either side of 250 for the entire 8 hours I was smoking though, so I dont think it was a big deal. 

[Mortimer 88]

Troubleshooting. Would appreciate any feedback...

Set Up

* Bought a used 15yo LG BGE two years ago
* I'm a huge fan. Used it quite a bit - numerous pork rib cooks - St Louis, Spares
* Plenty of beef short ribs - mostly good, sometimes dry-ish but still mostly killer
* I've rocked steak, fajitas, spatchcock chickens, salmon, the usual - always turned out pretty damn good. Love the taste, love the challenge of the smoker


* I've smoked about 5 full packer briskets - the Point is usually not bad, but I'm consistently dealing w a dry Flat (reason for this post)


* Hardware: Felt seal seems okay. Egg sits on a nest w a cover on a roofed patio, when not in use
* Usually clean out ash thoroughly for air flow for important cooks


The Problem

* Whether it is a 5 lb Boston butt or a16 lb Prime brisket, my situation almost always results in a ridiculously long cook with a dried up piece of peppered jerky for the payoff

* I've cooked briskets at 225. And 275, recently. Both flats dry af

* By the time I'm happy w the bark it has been stalled for multiple hours. I wrap in butcher paper and the thing goes into marathon stall mode at 173 for another 5 or so critical hours

* I always employ a water tray - usually a big one low enough profile to accommodate a standard grill sitting atop the plate setter, across the foil tray (physically separates the meat from the heat source

* Fat side down

* I've used decent lump. Oak chunks here. Pecan there. Always the same - tough flat

* I spritz after two hours - ACV, water. Hit every 45 minutes or so after that

* I let it rest for 30-45 min after pulling off pit, rest in cooler for a couple hours afterward.

* When I attempt oven method after wrap, flat is still a dry shitshow

* My last brisket: 16 lb prime, pulled at 21 hours. Yes, dry, of course. I was told by more than a few people it should have taken less than half that cook time

Question

Guys, what am I doing wrong here?

[Chewbacca 7787]

Troubleshooting. Would appreciate any feedback...

Set Up

* Bought a used 15yo LG BGE two years ago
* I'm a huge fan. Used it quite a bit - numerous pork rib cooks - St Louis, Spares
* Plenty of beef short ribs - mostly good, sometimes dry-ish but still mostly killer
* I've rocked steak, fajitas, spatchcock chickens, salmon, the usual - always turned out pretty damn good. Love the taste, love the challenge of the smoker


* I've smoked about 5 full packer briskets - the Point is usually not bad, but I'm consistently dealing w a dry Flat (reason for this post)


* Hardware: Felt seal seems okay. Egg sits on a nest w a cover on a roofed patio, when not in use
* Usually clean out ash thoroughly for air flow for important cooks


The Problem

* Whether it is a 5 lb Boston butt or a16 lb Prime brisket, my situation almost always results in a ridiculously long cook with a dried up piece of peppered jerky for the payoff

* I've cooked briskets at 225. And 275, recently. Both flats dry af

* By the time I'm happy w the bark it has been stalled for multiple hours. I wrap in butcher paper and the thing goes into marathon stall mode at 173 for another 5 or so critical hours

* I always employ a water tray - usually a big one low enough profile to accommodate a standard grill sitting atop the plate setter, across the foil tray (physically separates the meat from the heat source

* Fat side down

* I've used decent lump. Oak chunks here. Pecan there. Always the same - tough flat

* I spritz after two hours - ACV, water. Hit every 45 minutes or so after that

* I let it rest for 30-45 min after pulling off pit, rest in cooler for a couple hours afterward.

* When I attempt oven method after wrap, flat is still a dry shitshow

* My last brisket: 16 lb prime, pulled at 21 hours. Yes, dry, of course. I was told by more than a few people it should have taken less than half that cook time

Question

Guys, what am I doing wrong here?

Are you refilling your water bath? About halfway through, the water evaporates and the fat fills in, so it looks like you still have water but you don't.

I fill a 9x13 pyrex casserole dish on top of the plate setter with water at the start and i refill about halfway through.

You are using the plate setter, right?

[Mortimer 88]

Are you refilling your water bath? About halfway through, the water evaporates and the fat fills in, so it looks like you still have water but you don't.

I fill a 9x13 pyrex casserole dish on top of the plate setter with water at the start and i refill about halfway through.

You are using the plate setter, right?

Refilling the water is interesting. Always looks very greasy/thick when I trash it the next day or two.

Always indirect with platesetter. Thank you.

[Sam Lin 3561]

Have you calibrated your thermometer?

[BigDHornfan 6553]

8 hours ago, Mortimer said:

Troubleshooting. Would appreciate any feedback...

Set Up

* Bought a used 15yo LG BGE two years ago
* I'm a huge fan. Used it quite a bit - numerous pork rib cooks - St Louis, Spares
* Plenty of beef short ribs - mostly good, sometimes dry-ish but still mostly killer
* I've rocked steak, fajitas, spatchcock chickens, salmon, the usual - always turned out pretty damn good. Love the taste, love the challenge of the smoker


* I've smoked about 5 full packer briskets - the Point is usually not bad, but I'm consistently dealing w a dry Flat (reason for this post)


* Hardware: Felt seal seems okay. Egg sits on a nest w a cover on a roofed patio, when not in use
* Usually clean out ash thoroughly for air flow for important cooks


The Problem

* Whether it is a 5 lb Boston butt or a16 lb Prime brisket, my situation almost always results in a ridiculously long cook with a dried up piece of peppered jerky for the payoff

* I've cooked briskets at 225. And 275, recently. Both flats dry af

* By the time I'm happy w the bark it has been stalled for multiple hours. I wrap in butcher paper and the thing goes into marathon stall mode at 173 for another 5 or so critical hours

* I always employ a water tray - usually a big one low enough profile to accommodate a standard grill sitting atop the plate setter, across the foil tray (physically separates the meat from the heat source

* Fat side down

* I've used decent lump. Oak chunks here. Pecan there. Always the same - tough flat

* I spritz after two hours - ACV, water. Hit every 45 minutes or so after that

* I let it rest for 30-45 min after pulling off pit, rest in cooler for a couple hours afterward.

* When I attempt oven method after wrap, flat is still a dry shitshow

* My last brisket: 16 lb prime, pulled at 21 hours. Yes, dry, of course. I was told by more than a few people it should have taken less than half that cook time

Question

Guys, what am I doing wrong here?

Flip it.   Go fat side up.

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10 hours ago, Mortimer said:

Refilling the water is interesting. Always looks very greasy/thick when I trash it the next day or two.

Always indirect with platesetter. Thank you.

 

How are you measuring temp? 

[Jerry Callo 8732]

The way the heat comes around the outside of the kamado, it tends to cook things pushed up to the edges too much.  The very end of the flats on briskets I've cooked have gotten way dried out.  I am going to try and make a shield to prevent the heat from directly touching the end of the flat for my next cook - maybe just a wall of foil.  The rest of my brisket, including most of the flat, turns out fine.

[HouTex 1894]

I cook fat side down in my egg. +2 on the part about making sure you keep plenty of water in the drip pan. And make sure not to trim too much fat from the flat part of the brisket. I tend to err on the side of more fat than less. I cook hotter than most (around 300) and the flats of my briskets are not too dry.

[Mortimer 88]

Will certainly give fat side up a try. Always thought that was a big no-no with eggs.

I use the Thermoworks Smoke. One probe (ambient) clipped just above grate usually near the front left side. Internal probe placed between Point and Flat.

The dome thermometer consistently reads 17 or so degrees hotter than the Smoke grill probe. Not a lot of fluctuation there over last two years between the two independent readings, as far as I can remember.

Internal probe was dead on with my handheld probe Lavatools Javelin. Again, two independant readings.

But yeah, who knows, maybe I need to replace the Smoke probes. I really need to calibrate every thermometer I have, at this point.

[pops 7007]

 

That's strange.  You seem to be doing everything right and the smoke is a solid thermometer.  Have you tried calibrating it?  https://www.thermoworks.com/pdf/smoke_calibration_guide_a.pdf

Does the meat ever probe like butter at any point during the cook regardless of what the thermometer reads?

I'm kind of grasping at straws here because it seems like you should be getting better results.

[HouTex 1894]

Sorry if it was mentioned but what grade of meat are you smoking? I get good results with choice or better. Select grade can be dry.

[LCHorn 2632]

1 hour ago, Mortimer said:

Will certainly give fat side up a try. Always thought that was a big no-no with eggs.
 

I'd like to hear more on this part; I haven't tried a brisket in my egg yet but my Dad is has a smoker on a trailer so I'm accustomed to assisting when he's doing 1000-1500 lbs for a charity event.  It's always been fat side up there. 

[Lurch 5931]

Side smoker will have the heat source higher so fat side up works with that setup. I’ve got to believe it should always be fat down on a Komodo as the heat is underneath

[Chewbacca 7787]

I've always done fat side up and the only time I've dried out the flat was when I ran out of water and didn't refill.  I think that's his issue.

[Baboontyme 2825]

Sounds similar to what I've mentioned on pages way back in the thread. I'm sure the water pan helps but I think there's something to the theory about the heat coming in on the side of the plate setter, as well. Obviously would be more of an issue on an 18.5" like my Primo where a brisket basically touches the lid on both sides at the start vs a bigger one. I'd be curious to hear from those that have never had this problem what size ceramic they have. I also wonder if the fire is just too close to the plate setter. Maybe a half fill would work better. 

I'm not exactly buying briskets left and right to cook for people these days, perhaps in non pandemic times I'll do some experimenting. Next brisket I cook, however, I will be going back to the WSM. 

[Lurch 5931]

Are you resting the brisket 1-2 hours on counter uncovered?

 

ETA I see you’re not. Unless you need to hold it, just pull it and set on counter at least 45 mins, preferably 1-2 hrs

 

When are you pulling it? Sure it’s not too early?

[Lurch 5931]

Also, you may be hurting your cook time with the spritzing. I don’t even look at it for 5 hours, then wrap, so it’s never needed for me.

[Mortimer 88]

All five or so briskets so far were Prime.

Will definitely be calibrating/replacing all of my probes - thanks for the link.

I usually try to cook to 203. I probably need to start probing earlier for the butter test. The brisket always - seems - nice and pliable when I lift it off the rack - so much so that I often worry it might fall apart as I place it on the resting tray. I have wondered if I need to probe directly into the meat for testing, rather than punching a hole through the butcher paper (misleading resistance).

I have been letting it sit for about 45 minutes wrapped in the butcher paper on the counter, then wrap in foil before placing in a cooler (sometimes wrapped in a towel) for at least two or so hours - sometimes longer. I'll experiment with letting it sit out longer and without any cover material.

Really appreciate all the incredible feedback. Outstanding. I have some good leads now as far as shaking my routine up. Going to try cutting out the spritzing and, as I mentioned, start the process of calibrating my equipment. Will certainly begin refilling the water pan throughout the cook - that never even occurred to me. May look at how full I'm filling the fire box, to keep better separation between the meat and the heat source.