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55 minutes ago, elfenix said:

Are you referring to Bush v. Gore? Somewhat different makeup but same court. If Wisconsin, exact same.

 

both, I suppose.  I find it interesting that the make-up of the court governs the set of rules/guidelines it operates under and from my novice perspective, it seems flexible with respect to the issue.

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1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

This was what was supposed to happen in the impeachment trial right?

Well, despite people's constant attempts to draw parallels between the impeachment "trial" and civil litigation, it's not civil litigation.  It's the ultimate political question.

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1 hour ago, F250 said:

Trump after establishing himself as the worst POTUS in history is now gunning for the top 10 of most incompetent leaders in world history.

 

Edward II or Pope John XII or Pope Rodrigo Borgia? At least that chronic masturbating king (Denmark?) was funny. 

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1 hour ago, elfenix said:

Are you referring to Bush v. Gore? Somewhat different makeup but same court. If Wisconsin, exact same.

 

Election disputes are rarely nonjusticiable political questions.  Where Bush v. Gore went astray, most likely, is that elections are almost exclusively a creature of state law and the Florida Supreme Court's decision should probably have been the end of it.

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27 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Edward II or Pope John XII or Pope Rodrigo Borgia? At least that chronic masturbating king (Denmark?) was funny. 

The Borgia comparison is good in regards to blatant nepotism and grift but I am pretty sure Rodrigo Borgia was miles ahead of Trump on competency.

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10 hours ago, F250 said:

The Borgia comparison is good in regards to blatant nepotism and grift but I am pretty sure Rodrigo Borgia was miles ahead of Trump on competency.

I tend to believe that as well.  I suppose if you mix in the rapeyness of John XII with the weakness of Edward II, and the corruption of Borgia we arrive at something close to Trump.   Just add in the chronic masturbater's prestige and we have Trump.  A modern Serpentor of incompetence.   

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On 4/14/2020 at 7:32 PM, LongestHorn said:

 

Reminds me of a character in The Little Prince: 

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"Approach, so that I may see you better," said the king, who felt consumingly proud of being at last a king over somebody.

The little prince looked everywhere to find a place to sit down; but the entire planet was crammed and obstructed by the king's magnificent ermine robe. So he remained standing upright, and, since he was tired, he yawned.

"It is contrary to etiquette to yawn in the presence of a king," the monarch said to him. "I forbid you to do so."

"I can't help it. I can't stop myself," replied the little prince, thoroughly embarrassed. "I have come on a long journey, and I have had no sleep ..."

"Ah, then," the king said. "I order you to yawn. It is years since I have seen anyone yawning. Yawns, to me, are objects of curiosity. Come, now! Yawn again! It is an order."

"That frightens me ... I cannot, any more ..." murmured the little prince, now completely abashed. "Hum! Hum!" replied the king. "Then I—I order you sometimes to yawn and sometimes to—" He sputtered a little, and seemed vexed.

For what the king fundamentally insisted upon was that his authority should be respected. He tolerated no disobedience. He was an absolute monarch.

 

(I would go on, but the next line is "But, because he was a very good man, he made his orders reasonable."  Obviously, it's not a perfect analogy.)  

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This being discussed anywhere? 3M charging the government about .63 cents per mask. Trump Admin decides that they will pay some fucking no name bankrupt company about $5.50 per mask, and fucking lulz if they end up being 3M masks. They have probably created some bullshit supply chain where the same mask gets sold 5 times before it ends up on someones face. Would love to see how much these douchebags donate to the GOP over the next year. 

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The Trump administration has awarded bulk contracts to third-party vendors in recent weeks in a scramble to obtain N95 respirator masks, and the government has paid the companies more than $5 per unit, nearly eight times what it would have spent in January and February when U.S. intelligence agencies warned of a looming global pandemic, procurement records show.

The N95 masks are essential protective gear for health-care workers and others at elevated risk of coronavirus infection, and the government has recommended that people across the country wear masks and other face coverings when outside. Demand for the masks has created a frenzied, freewheeling global market that has pitted U.S. states against the federal government and rich nations against poorer ones.

Administration officials leaped into the fray late, then embarked on a voracious spending spree. Though U.S. federal agencies made a small number of relatively modest purchases before the second half of March, the government has ordered more than $600 million worth of masks since then.

Large U.S. companies such as Honeywell and 3M have received the biggest orders, but the Trump administration also has signed high-dollar deals with third-party vendors selling masks for many times the standard price.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency awarded a $55 million contract for N95s this month to Panthera Worldwide LLC, which is in the business of tactical training. One of its owners said last year that Panthera’s parent company had not had any employees since May 2018, according to sworn testimony.

It also has no history of manufacturing or procuring medical equipment, according to a review of records produced as a result of legal disputes involving the company and its affiliates.

Panthera Worldwide’s parent company filed for bankruptcy last fall, and the LLC is no longer recognized in Virginia — where it has its main office — following nonpayment of fees, which according to Virginia code results in “the existence of a limited liability company” being “automatically canceled.”

James V. Punelli, one of the company’s executives, said he is working his military contacts to obtain the masks.

“We’ve done DoD medical training over the years and through those contacts with that community were brought sources of supply in order to assist in the COVID-19 response,” Punelli said in a text message to The Washington Post, referring to the Defense Department. “We made the connection with FEMA and offered these supplies to them.”

Asked about delivery of the masks, Punelli said: “We will provide these masks before May 1 for certain, in full and with a very high-quality product.” He said the company is registered as an LLC in Delaware and allowed its Virginia registration to lapse “because we’re not doing business in Virginia.”

According to its website, Panthera offers “elite training and mission support” for the U.S. military and other agencies. But in 2018, it entered into a 42-year lease handing over its principal asset — a 750-acre training facility in West Virginia — to a separate company that now operates the site. The facility features a mock village for training exercises in anti-terrorism and tactical operations.

“They don’t have masks. They’re not in that line of business,” said Robert Starer, a Virginia businessman who leased the training center from Panthera’s owners. “Is it possible that they have a relationship with someone in the world who could provide those masks? Who knows.”

Starer is now suing the company’s two executives — Punelli and Raymond C. Jones — alleging they overstated the extent of their contracts and customer base, resulting in financial losses for his company. In a complaint filed in Virginia’s Hanover County Circuit Court, Starer alleges that the two men misrepresented “estimated revenue” as “actual cash payments . . . based on existing contracts,” causing him to suffer cash losses in 2018 and 2019. Punelli and Jones have not responded to the lawsuit, according to an attorney who represents Starer.

Jones did not respond to requests for comment. Punelli said of the lawsuit, “Those frivolous claims are being addressed in due course.”

The FEMA contract with Panthera, which was awarded without competitive bidding, has a start date of April 1, according to a summary. Lizzie Litzow, a FEMA spokeswoman, said the Panthera contract is for 10 million masks, adding, “Panthera is not a manufacturer, they are a distributor of N95 masks.”

The price that FEMA is paying Panthera per mask, about $5.50, is significantly higher than what the government pays companies such as 3M, which charges as little as 63 cents per N95 mask, with an average cost of about $1.50 for more advanced models, according to a price index. Prestige Ameritech, the largest domestic mask manufacturer, is charging FEMA about 80 cents per mask for the government’s order of 12 million N95 respirators, part of a $9.5 million contract that started April 7.

Beyond the premium the federal government is paying to Panthera, the decision to award a contract to an insolvent organization with no apparent expertise in the given field struck experts as unusual.

“Something is amiss there,” said Chuck Hagel, a former defense secretary and Republican senator from Nebraska. “This is not how the government procures training or any type of supplies. You just wouldn’t do business with somebody like that.”

In its bankruptcy filing, Panthera Enterprises estimated that it had as many as 99 creditors and said its liabilities could be as high as $50 million. Punelli said Panthera Worldwide “has no significant debt,” but both companies are jointly owned by him and Jones and use the same facilities, according to court records.

Founded as TenX Group in 2011, the parent company is incorporated in Delaware but has its primary office in Leesburg, Va., according to court records. It has received a handful of federal contracts in recent years, primarily for training exercises such as “high-risk driving,” according to a contract summary from 2018. But Punelli said in sworn testimony in October 2019 that the subsidiary now under contract with FEMA — focused primarily on “activities outside the country” — was bringing in no income. “Not right now,” he told a U.S. attorney who asked whether there were any earnings.

Litzow, in response to questions about FEMA’s contract with Panthera, said the agency is “bound by law to follow federal acquisition requirements and processes” and did so in this case. “Per these federal acquisition requirements and processes, the Contracting Officer conducted a contractor responsibility determination.”

The Department of Health and Human Services began gathering information on global supplies of N95s in January and posted a formal notice Feb. 24 to companies that it was preparing to place large orders, according to a department spokeswoman. On March 21, HHS bought 600 million N95s from five companies, with the largest orders going to 3M and Honeywell.

If the U.S. government had attempted to make large purchases before then, it would have thrown global markets out of whack, according to Stephanie Bialek, a spokeswoman assigned to the agency’s Strategic National Stockpile.

“It is never the intent of the SNS to disrupt the supply chain when supply is able to meet demand, even if demand is high,” she said. “Making large government purchases at that time likely would have disrupted supplies.”

Among members of the public, too, demand for masks has climbed, as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has recommended that Americans wear masks and face coverings when in public. On Wednesday, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo (D-N.Y.) said he would issue an executive order requiring them for all New York residents.

Purchasing records show the Trump administration has placed at least $628 million worth of orders for masks in recent weeks. HHS has placed more than $400 million in mask orders, and the Department of Veterans Affairs has placed orders worth about $82 million.

One of the biggest buyers is FEMA, which has transformed itself into the supply chain manager for the White House coronavirus task force. The agency proposed a deal in recent weeks to obtain an additional 114 million N95 masks from Nutratrade Australia, whose website says it specializes in bulk shipments of grains, dairy products and other foodstuffs. The FEMA proposal was for $591 million worth of N95 masks, at an average cost of $5.19 per mask, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post.

The agency said late Wednesday that it does not have a contract with Nutratrade Australia. A representative for Nutratrade reached Wednesday declined to respond to questions about the proposed contract.

FEMA is importing most of the medical supplies through a process the Trump administration calls “Project Airbridge,” and uses chartered cargo flights to slash delivery times and steer shipments directly to hospitals.


The government pays the cost of the flights, but it hands over approximately half of the supplies to large private medical supply companies, which then distribute them to their clients, according to FEMA.

Critics of the arrangement say it amounts to a lavish giveaway to the private companies, but administration officials say they are just trying to get badly needed supplies to hospitals as quickly as possible.

“All the traditional procurement rules are out the window,” said Rick Grimm, executive director of the National Institute of Governmental Purchasing, which trains and advises state and local governments on procurement. Grimm said that when the market is unstable, it can invite price manipulation or the possibility “you may end up with an inferior product you can’t use.”

Jennifer Ehrlich, a spokeswoman for 3M, said the company has not raised its prices and has taken aggressive legal action against vendors selling its products at a significant markup. The company is planning to increase its output from about 1.1 billion masks per year to 2 billion during the next 12 months, Ehrlich said.

The company has filed several lawsuits within the past week against companies it says have been engaged in price-gouging and fraudulent sales, including one company that tried to sell 45 million 3M masks to New York City officials at bloated prices and another that tried to sell “tens of millions of likely nonexistent 3M N95 respirators at grossly inflated prices to the federal Division of Strategic National Stockpile, all the while falsely affiliating itself with 3M.”

 

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6 minutes ago, Blotto said:

This being discussed anywhere? 3M charging the government about .63 cents per mask. Trump Admin decides that they will pay some fucking no name bankrupt company about $5.50 per mask, and fucking lulz if they end up being 3M masks. They have probably created some bullshit supply chain where the same mask gets sold 5 times before it ends up on someones face. Would love to see how much these douchebags donate to the GOP over the next year. 

 

I smell Erik Prince...or Jared

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This being discussed anywhere? 3M charging the government about .63 cents per mask. Trump Admin decides that they will pay some fucking no name bankrupt company about $5.50 per mask, and fucking lulz if they end up being 3M masks. They have probably created some bullshit supply chain where the same mask gets sold 5 times before it ends up on someones face. Would love to see how much these douchebags donate to the GOP over the next year. 
The Trump administration has awarded bulk contracts to third-party vendors in recent weeks in a scramble to obtain N95 respirator masks, and the government has paid the companies more than $5 per unit, nearly eight times what it would have spent in January and February when U.S. intelligence agencies warned of a looming global pandemic, procurement records show.
The N95 masks are essential protective gear for health-care workers and others at elevated risk of coronavirus infection, and the government has recommended that people across the country wear masks and other face coverings when outside. Demand for the masks has created a frenzied, freewheeling global market that has pitted U.S. states against the federal government and rich nations against poorer ones.
Administration officials leaped into the fray late, then embarked on a voracious spending spree. Though U.S. federal agencies made a small number of relatively modest purchases before the second half of March, the government has ordered more than $600 million worth of masks since then.
Large U.S. companies such as Honeywell and 3M have received the biggest orders, but the Trump administration also has signed high-dollar deals with third-party vendors selling masks for many times the standard price.
The Federal Emergency Management Agency awarded a $55 million contract for N95s this month to Panthera Worldwide LLC, which is in the business of tactical training. One of its owners said last year that Panthera’s parent company had not had any employees since May 2018, according to sworn testimony.
It also has no history of manufacturing or procuring medical equipment, according to a review of records produced as a result of legal disputes involving the company and its affiliates.
Panthera Worldwide’s parent company filed for bankruptcy last fall, and the LLC is no longer recognized in Virginia — where it has its main office — following nonpayment of fees, which according to Virginia code results in “the existence of a limited liability company” being “automatically canceled.”
James V. Punelli, one of the company’s executives, said he is working his military contacts to obtain the masks.
“We’ve done DoD medical training over the years and through those contacts with that community were brought sources of supply in order to assist in the COVID-19 response,” Punelli said in a text message to The Washington Post, referring to the Defense Department. “We made the connection with FEMA and offered these supplies to them.”
Asked about delivery of the masks, Punelli said: “We will provide these masks before May 1 for certain, in full and with a very high-quality product.” He said the company is registered as an LLC in Delaware and allowed its Virginia registration to lapse “because we’re not doing business in Virginia.”
According to its website, Panthera offers “elite training and mission support” for the U.S. military and other agencies. But in 2018, it entered into a 42-year lease handing over its principal asset — a 750-acre training facility in West Virginia — to a separate company that now operates the site. The facility features a mock village for training exercises in anti-terrorism and tactical operations.
“They don’t have masks. They’re not in that line of business,” said Robert Starer, a Virginia businessman who leased the training center from Panthera’s owners. “Is it possible that they have a relationship with someone in the world who could provide those masks? Who knows.”
Starer is now suing the company’s two executives — Punelli and Raymond C. Jones — alleging they overstated the extent of their contracts and customer base, resulting in financial losses for his company. In a complaint filed in Virginia’s Hanover County Circuit Court, Starer alleges that the two men misrepresented “estimated revenue” as “actual cash payments . . . based on existing contracts,” causing him to suffer cash losses in 2018 and 2019. Punelli and Jones have not responded to the lawsuit, according to an attorney who represents Starer.
Jones did not respond to requests for comment. Punelli said of the lawsuit, “Those frivolous claims are being addressed in due course.”
The FEMA contract with Panthera, which was awarded without competitive bidding, has a start date of April 1, according to a summary. Lizzie Litzow, a FEMA spokeswoman, said the Panthera contract is for 10 million masks, adding, “Panthera is not a manufacturer, they are a distributor of N95 masks.”
The price that FEMA is paying Panthera per mask, about $5.50, is significantly higher than what the government pays companies such as 3M, which charges as little as 63 cents per N95 mask, with an average cost of about $1.50 for more advanced models, according to a price index. Prestige Ameritech, the largest domestic mask manufacturer, is charging FEMA about 80 cents per mask for the government’s order of 12 million N95 respirators, part of a $9.5 million contract that started April 7.
Beyond the premium the federal government is paying to Panthera, the decision to award a contract to an insolvent organization with no apparent expertise in the given field struck experts as unusual.
“Something is amiss there,” said Chuck Hagel, a former defense secretary and Republican senator from Nebraska. “This is not how the government procures training or any type of supplies. You just wouldn’t do business with somebody like that.”
In its bankruptcy filing, Panthera Enterprises estimated that it had as many as 99 creditors and said its liabilities could be as high as $50 million. Punelli said Panthera Worldwide “has no significant debt,” but both companies are jointly owned by him and Jones and use the same facilities, according to court records.
Founded as TenX Group in 2011, the parent company is incorporated in Delaware but has its primary office in Leesburg, Va., according to court records. It has received a handful of federal contracts in recent years, primarily for training exercises such as “high-risk driving,” according to a contract summary from 2018. But Punelli said in sworn testimony in October 2019 that the subsidiary now under contract with FEMA — focused primarily on “activities outside the country” — was bringing in no income. “Not right now,” he told a U.S. attorney who asked whether there were any earnings.
Litzow, in response to questions about FEMA’s contract with Panthera, said the agency is “bound by law to follow federal acquisition requirements and processes” and did so in this case. “Per these federal acquisition requirements and processes, the Contracting Officer conducted a contractor responsibility determination.”
The Department of Health and Human Services began gathering information on global supplies of N95s in January and posted a formal notice Feb. 24 to companies that it was preparing to place large orders, according to a department spokeswoman. On March 21, HHS bought 600 million N95s from five companies, with the largest orders going to 3M and Honeywell.
If the U.S. government had attempted to make large purchases before then, it would have thrown global markets out of whack, according to Stephanie Bialek, a spokeswoman assigned to the agency’s Strategic National Stockpile.
“It is never the intent of the SNS to disrupt the supply chain when supply is able to meet demand, even if demand is high,” she said. “Making large government purchases at that time likely would have disrupted supplies.”
Among members of the public, too, demand for masks has climbed, as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has recommended that Americans wear masks and face coverings when in public. On Wednesday, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo (D-N.Y.) said he would issue an executive order requiring them for all New York residents.
Purchasing records show the Trump administration has placed at least $628 million worth of orders for masks in recent weeks. HHS has placed more than $400 million in mask orders, and the Department of Veterans Affairs has placed orders worth about $82 million.
One of the biggest buyers is FEMA, which has transformed itself into the supply chain manager for the White House coronavirus task force. The agency proposed a deal in recent weeks to obtain an additional 114 million N95 masks from Nutratrade Australia, whose website says it specializes in bulk shipments of grains, dairy products and other foodstuffs. The FEMA proposal was for $591 million worth of N95 masks, at an average cost of $5.19 per mask, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post.
The agency said late Wednesday that it does not have a contract with Nutratrade Australia. A representative for Nutratrade reached Wednesday declined to respond to questions about the proposed contract.
FEMA is importing most of the medical supplies through a process the Trump administration calls “Project Airbridge,” and uses chartered cargo flights to slash delivery times and steer shipments directly to hospitals.

The government pays the cost of the flights, but it hands over approximately half of the supplies to large private medical supply companies, which then distribute them to their clients, according to FEMA.
Critics of the arrangement say it amounts to a lavish giveaway to the private companies, but administration officials say they are just trying to get badly needed supplies to hospitals as quickly as possible.
“All the traditional procurement rules are out the window,” said Rick Grimm, executive director of the National Institute of Governmental Purchasing, which trains and advises state and local governments on procurement. Grimm said that when the market is unstable, it can invite price manipulation or the possibility “you may end up with an inferior product you can’t use.”
Jennifer Ehrlich, a spokeswoman for 3M, said the company has not raised its prices and has taken aggressive legal action against vendors selling its products at a significant markup. The company is planning to increase its output from about 1.1 billion masks per year to 2 billion during the next 12 months, Ehrlich said.
The company has filed several lawsuits within the past week against companies it says have been engaged in price-gouging and fraudulent sales, including one company that tried to sell 45 million 3M masks to New York City officials at bloated prices and another that tried to sell “tens of millions of likely nonexistent 3M N95 respirators at grossly inflated prices to the federal Division of Strategic National Stockpile, all the while falsely affiliating itself with 3M.”
 
This would explain why he stalled on using the the War Powers Act...needed time to get some no-bid contracts done.
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2 hours ago, Blotto said:

This being discussed anywhere? 3M charging the government about .63 cents per mask. Trump Admin decides that they will pay some fucking no name bankrupt company about $5.50 per mask, and fucking lulz if they end up being 3M masks. They have probably created some bullshit supply chain where the same mask gets sold 5 times before it ends up on someones face. Would love to see how much these douchebags donate to the GOP over the next year. 

 

War-Dogs-1024x576.jpgWhile it would be gobs of fun to lay this at Trump's feet, I think it's pretty much gubmint as usual.

Of course the circumstances leading to the desperation and stupidity are directly attributable to Teh Donald.

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2 hours ago, Blotto said:

This being discussed anywhere? 3M charging the government about .63 cents per mask. Trump Admin decides that they will pay some fucking no name bankrupt company about $5.50 per mask, and fucking lulz if they end up being 3M masks. They have probably created some bullshit supply chain where the same mask gets sold 5 times before it ends up on someones face. Would love to see how much these douchebags donate to the GOP over the next year. 

 

 

good gig if you can find it 

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8 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

How many wars were fought, how much money spent, freedoms given up, to "prevent another 9/11"? Because they're basically saying they are OK with a daily 9/11.

But defense contractors can't make any money fighting this invisible enemy.

7 hours ago, ruitxn said:

No big deal.  Teachers are cheap and except for math and science teachers replaceable.  Really students might infect others in the community and grandparents but most of them wouldn’t die.  No big deal really.

Well they don't cotton much to science or math anyway.   Now start killing off some coaches and you've got an uprising.

4 hours ago, Pancho said:

 

It honestly doesn't matter if he knows where it is.  It's just important that his audience doesn't.   Surely someone had to bring this to him with that idea..."it's Pelosi, she's talking about chinese.  They'll eat it up!"

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High.

Today’s rally made me more hopeful moving forward. Kochsucker looked drugged up and did that little tracing thing while reading. After talking that shit yesterday, Trump watched IL/CA/NY swoop in and cut his nuts off. 

He punted on CV recovery and won’t see any of his appts filled. Where is he going to find a + bump, sports? I think that backfires when they try fans.

Best bet for him is to let Jared run the grift at FEMA and ratchet up the Twitter. Nobody GAF about the press conferences now. Sad!

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On April 14, 2020 at 12:15 PM, TwiceHorn said:

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Would that anyone as competent as Al Haig was in the chain of command.

I almost replied to this the other day because I had just seen a rerun the night before of a Tonight Show episode from 1982 where Johnny Carson made a joke about Reagan and Bush being next in the line of succession behind Al Haig. I decided it wasn't significant enough to warrant a post. 

But this morning I heard a line from historian Jon Meacham on Morning Joe that I felt I had to share. Regarding Trump's recent claim of total authority he said, "Who knew that Donald Trump would make Al Haig look like a strict Constitutionalist?"

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1 minute ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Fuck that article 

How many times over the last 5 years have we said "well, this is it - this is the thing that finally ends Trump once and for all"?

You may not like the conclusion but the article is spot on.  Anyone thinking that Trump is "finished" because of the half-assed approach to Covid 19 is fooling themselves.

 

He dodged the “Access Hollywood” tape fiasco. He evaded the noose of impeachment over the Ukraine deal. Those might now seem minor compared to the challenge of trying to get reelected during a worldwide health crisis and a looming depression—but if one acknowledges that he has been training in some sense for this sort of a jam for the bulk of his adult existence, then this nightmarish predicament starts to look less like an uncrackable problem than a potential capstone accomplishment.

“He’s a magician that way,” said Jennifer Mercieca, a professor at Texas A&M University and the author of the forthcoming Demagogue for President: The Rhetorical Genius of Donald Trump. “Other people would stop and recognize that they were defeated. Or that they should be shamed. He refuses.”

George Arzt, a Democratic consultant in New York, who’s known Trump for going on 50 years, likens him to the world’s most noted escape artist.

“Houdini,” he said.

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