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11 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

“Maybe we should fully vet anonymous source reporting that is going to be used to justify scuttling peace talks related to a two decade war and stoke our involvement in Syria and other proxy battles with Russia. The IC has a long track record of being involved in putting us in extremely bad positions with compromised reporting.”

 

Trumpkin! Gary Johnson! Carter page! fisa! Orange man!


lol. You guys. 

Maybe you should prove that the source has not been fully vetted.   Lulzers.

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8 hours ago, Anastasis said:

“Maybe we should fully vet anonymous source reporting that is going to be used to justify scuttling peace talks related to a two decade war and stoke our involvement in Syria and other proxy battles with Russia. The IC has a long track record of being involved in putting us in extremely bad positions with compromised reporting.”

 

Trumpkin! Gary Johnson! Carter page! fisa! Orange man!


lol. You guys. 
 

 

 

Idk if you are being purposefully obtuse or just astonishingly lack self awareness on this topic because you are usually pretty even keeled. 

Mistrust of the IC, while sometimes being warranted is definitely a huge deal with Trump and his supporters. I know the way you are saying to be wary of IC without blindly accepting it is good intentioned and rooted in logical decision making, but you have to understand the optics dude. 

I don't trust the IC because most everyone I met while I was involved with it was completely incompetent, but they were all trying to do the right thing. 

There's a complex truth and then there's a simple truth:

The simple truth is that Donald Trump didn't listen to the IC briefing on this, was most likely made aware of it several times over the course of the last 6 months and has not only entirely rejected it, but has lobbied for Russia a known subversive actor to rejoin the G8. People are tired of this bullshit and are wanting to see smoke to yell fire.

Meanwhile the same buffoon that blatantly disregards all intelligence and military recommendations. Literally tweeted a video of people yelling "white power". This isn't the "is the IC fucked and trustworthy at all" thread it's the Donald Trump 2020 thread. 

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21 minutes ago, USMCHorn said:

Y’all do realize that Trump tweeted that racist video to distract from the Russian bounty news right?

Yep, I said as much in post #19328.  Also, President Trump needs to die in September as the simulation has scheduled.  

Having said that, it's gotta be tough for immamac to not trust the Intelligence Community.  We are here for you sir ;) 

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19 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

“Maybe we should fully vet anonymous source reporting that is going to be used to justify scuttling peace talks related to a two decade war and stoke our involvement in Syria and other proxy battles with Russia. The IC has a long track record of being involved in putting us in extremely bad positions with compromised reporting.”

 

Trumpkin! Gary Johnson! Carter page! fisa! Orange man!


lol. You guys. 
 

 

 

I found it interesting that British Intelligence confirmed the story. Of course they're "allies" but that doesn't always mean shit in the intelligence world. Also I would expect the Russians to pay the Afghans to kills us. Hell who hasn't paid the Afghans to kill their enemy?

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1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

I would never vote for somebody who didn’t know where Aleppo was. But keep defending a system that has resulted in needless war after needless war because Americans are easily manipulated to support the war machine. 

Anastasis : IC sources report foreign government acts against American interests :: triplehorn : study shows HCQ doesn’t cure COVID

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14 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Anastasis : IC sources report foreign government acts against American interests :: triplehorn : study shows HCQ doesn’t cure COVID

Terrible analogy and exactly the opposite. We assume the null until decisive evidence based on sound methodology is presented to reject the null posture. Jumping whole whole hog on unsourced anonymous reporting is like data presented in a letter to the editor without any control or control for confounding factors. I think you have this one backwards. 

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24 minutes ago, immamac said:

Mistrust of the IC, while sometimes being warranted is definitely a huge deal with Trump and his supporters. I know the way you are saying to be wary of IC without blindly accepting it is good intentioned and rooted in logical decision making, but you have to understand the optics dude. 

I don’t much care about the optics. I have been consistent in my skepticism since Iraq, through the patriot act, clapper lies, Snowden revelations, as well as recent events. 
 

if this thread is not the place for critical questioning of anonymous source reporting that appears to coincidently be intended to throw a wrench in peace talks and amplify tensions in Syria and other places we are engaged with Russia so be. Orange man bad. Real bad. And we’ll leave it at that. I guess we will figure out the implications of all that other shit out after Biden is sworn in. 

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President openly retweeting “white power!” chants.
Hell, a society where we still have those chants, and they are directly correlated with support for the sitting president.
President doing nothing about a foreign power putting a bounty on the beads of US troops. Is it because he’s a moron who can’t listen to 10 seconds of an intelligence briefing? Is it because he doesn’t believe anything he doesn’t want to hear? Is it because he’s a lap dog of a foreign power? Who knows?
A president who does nothing to lead during the greatest crisis in generations...he just tweets, and golfs. And occasionally signs some xenophobic EO that an evil little troll drafted for him to sign.

Remember the two truths of the Trump era: 1) it only gets worse, and 2) there is no bottom.
Between now and January 20th, hundreds of thousands will die (who wouldn’t otherwise have died), and millions of lives will be ruined. And that’s the BEST CASE scenario. We are on a plane plummeting to the ground, piloted by a man who simultaneously claims to be a better pilot than chuck yeager, doesn’t believe in gravity, and blames the passengers for everything going wrong. Enjoy the ride.

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4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Terrible analogy and exactly the opposite. We assume the null until decisive evidence based on sound methodology is presented to reject the null posture. Jumping whole whole hog on unsourced anonymous reporting is like data presented in a letter to the editor without any control or control for confounding factors. I think you have this one backwards. 

So your theory is that we can't believe Russia put a bounty on US soldiers until . . . when, exactly?  The IC wouldn't cooperate with requests for information.  UK sources corroborated the story.  All of this was laid out in the NYT article -- presumably the same happened in WaPo (I have a subscription but haven't searched) and the WSJ (for which I have no subscription).

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I find it really fucking hard to swallow the President retweeting a video where someone yells “White Power” and his comment was “Thank you”. That’s a real thing that happened in the midst of a massive movement attempting to address racial injustice.

This is the Republican Party and this is what it means to support Trump. No more code words. Just racism. 

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1 minute ago, longhornmatt said:

How is that going to throw a wrench in peace talks?   You keep using that assumption as the bedrock of your theory, and it doesn’t even follow.

Anastasis’s response to every IC story is predictable and Pavlovian. He doesn’t put logical thought into it.

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6 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I don’t much care about the optics. I have been consistent in my skepticism since Iraq, through the patriot act, clapper lies, Snowden revelations, as well as recent events. 
 

if this thread is not the place for critical questioning of anonymous source reporting that appears to coincidently be intended to throw a wrench in peace talks and amplify tensions in Syria and other places we are engaged with Russia so be. Orange man bad. Real bad. And we’ll leave it at that. I guess we will figure out the implications of all that other shit out after Biden is sworn in. 

You did question it, I'm letting you know why your line of questioning is falling on deaf ears. This is the thread discussing Trump (seems like mostly bad, but also good things) and you are going hard on this IC line. Everyone is willing to accept some level of suspect IC, the topic at hand is the complete and blatant constant disregard to ANY intelligence that doesn't fit into Trump's already existing agenda. 

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4 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

How is that going to throw a wrench in peace talks?   You keep using that assumption as the bedrock of your theory, and it doesn’t even follow.   We’re not going to go to war with Russia, and we’re not going to stay in Afghanistan longer because of this story.   It’s a story about Trump bring a depraved, compromised monster.

I’m happy to discuss this further in a new thread. 

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I don’t much care about the optics. I have been consistent in my skepticism since Iraq, through the patriot act, clapper lies, Snowden revelations, as well as recent events. 
 

if this thread is not the place for critical questioning of anonymous source reporting that appears to coincidently be intended to throw a wrench in peace talks and amplify tensions in Syria and other places we are engaged with Russia so be. Orange man bad. Real bad. And we’ll leave it at that. I guess we will figure out the implications of all that other shit out after Biden is sworn in. 

You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in.

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And I’m still pissed that y’all fucking neg banned the swam. That guy was the most unintentionally hilarious poster on the shag with his constant self ownage. This board is a lesser place without him. 
No it was like watching Mike Tyson fight a cripple, and the cripple won't stop getting off the mat.
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6 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

I was totally of the belief we should make a deal with the Taliban and pull our troops out of Afghanistan, but now that I know the Russians put a bounty on our troops and POTUS did jack, I am now on team Shock and Awe!!!    

I assume hyperbole, but just in case:

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No war for hurt feelings. 

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What a cesspool. 

Welcome to ground zero for geriatrics who are seriously getting it on.

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2 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

He’s the best and most intelligent troll on the board. It’s a better place with him than without. 

No conversation is made better through intellectual dishonesty. 

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And I’m still pissed that y’all fucking neg banned the swam. That guy was the most unintentionally hilarious poster on the shag with his constant self ownage. This board is a lesser place without him. 

Wrong again. 

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Because the risk to deployed troops doesn't really matter to the voting public at least in relation to the possibility that we may lose face by backing down.  Leaving now would just be giving the dirty Russians and the Taliban what they want and we can't have that.  

The public largely despises Trump and has no idea what’s going on in Afghanistan. And very few people want to see Trump as a wartime President.

The story is not doing jack-shit about Russia’s interference in our election and now their bounties on allied forces.

The solution is to get people under oath and get Trump and other scum out of the White House.
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1 hour ago, longhornmatt said:

How is that going to throw a wrench in peace talks?   You keep using that assumption as the bedrock of your theory, and it doesn’t even follow.   We’re not going to go to war with Russia, and we’re not going to stay in Afghanistan longer because of this story.   It’s a story about Trump bring a depraved, compromised monster.

Ding ding ding. 

Obfuscation is hard to sift through.

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1 hour ago, GW Hayduke said:

I was totally of the belief we should make a deal with the Taliban and pull our troops out of Afghanistan, but now that I know the Russians put a bounty on our troops and POTUS did jack, I am now on team Shock and Awe!!!    

What deal? As soon as we're gone they'll go right back to being who they are and always have been. That was a foregone conclusion when we invaded in 2001. They'll say whatever they have to in order to get us to leave. But we're the infidels and their only covenant is with God. If we pull out entirely then any deal we made won't be worth the paper it was written on. 

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3 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Pssst.....it's because they're fucking lying.  They have nothing -- no plan, only a couple of catch-phrases.

This is a murderous regime that is the tip of the spear of a nihilist death cult.  It is a danger to humanity as a whole.  

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4 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The alliance between fascism and Christianity has always existed because they have similar authoritarian centralized power/wealth patriarchal power structures. Mussolini made an alliance with the Pope.  The Catholic Church in Spain aligned with Franco to protect the priests from the socialists. For the church, fascism offers the protection of their wealth and supremacy.  For the fascist, the church offers easier control of the population from violent uprisings.  It’s a natural alliance. 

To the extent the Roman Catholic Church represents Christianity, you may be right.  But not a whole lot of Catholics support Trump.

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7 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

The fact that the best they could come up with is “nobody told us” is amazing. This story and how trump ignored it will just keep getting bigger as more comes out. By the end of the week he’ll once again be taking Putin’s word over his own intelligence agencies. 

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4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

To the extent the Roman Catholic Church represents Christianity, you may be right.  But not a whole lot of Catholics support Trump.

You haven't met my in-laws.  Spiritual short-cuts are just as convenient as political ones.  

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3 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

The fact that the best they could come up with is “nobody told us” is amazing. This story and how trump ignored it will just keep getting bigger as more comes out. By the end of the week he’ll once again be taking Putin’s word over his own intelligence agencies. 

Trumpsters, this is your God.  His consistent, repeated defense to failure after failure is "I'm not evil....just breathtakingly fucking ignorant."  You have made a God of this man, and it's the stupidest fucking god in history.

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13 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

You joke, but I would put money there’s a greater than 50% chance of this happening. October surprise and whatnot. 

in the hannity interview or something last week, he said that was the charge in his obama allegations.  i wasn't joking.

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5 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The alliance between fascism and Christianity has always existed because they have similar authoritarian centralized power/wealth patriarchal power structures. Mussolini made an alliance with the Pope.  The Catholic Church in Spain aligned with Franco to protect the priests from the socialists. For the church, fascism offers the protection of their wealth and supremacy.  For the fascist, the church offers easier control of the population from violent uprisings.  It’s a natural alliance. 

This isn't unique to fascism or Christianity. Historically, organized religion and the state have always been married, the concept of separation of Church and State was a novel concept for humanity.

 

 

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Take it to InfoWars, Carter.

@Anastasisis part of that subset of the populace that is comprised almost wholly of IT guys and people who think Dilbert is funny, and harbor a wildly irrational view of what the IC is and what they do, with all sorts of half baked Libertarian theories. It's an unintentionally hilarious group that thinks they have cottoned on to some subtle truth that everyone else has just conveniently missed, even those of us who have studied this sort of thing in depth.

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I love the White House response to the taken down white power tweet:

“White House spokesman Judd Deere said the president "did not hear the one statement made on the video" but saw "tremendous enthusiasm from his many supporters".”

Ok.  But what about the low hanging fruit?  It’s just another instance where this administration essentially admits it supports and accepts the support of white supremacists.  

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