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Can you even imagine the shit we're gonna hear in the years after he leaves office? Like, "... in Conway's new book out in 2029, she details the time Trump asked about the possibility of dropping nuclear bombs on all of the blue states". Shit like that is going to happen. 

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Let me be candid and honest here my man. I cannot be sympathetic to your comments because this is how adult life has always been. From the moment I stepped out of my home and headed off to college I h

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7 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Can you even imagine the shit we're gonna hear in the years after he leaves office? Like, "... in Conway's new book out in 2029, she details the time Trump asked about the possibility of dropping nuclear bombs on all of the blue states". Shit like that is going to happen. 

 

It wouldn't surprise me at all if it came out that Trump had an incredible ("a beautiful")  plan, based off a suggestion from Stephen Miller,  that involved railcars and internment camps and the military could round up protesters and riffraff and ship them away to get them off TV,  protect statutes and clean up the cities.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Maybe the plan is to let COVID run wild in Tx and FL to postpone the election ?
 

abbott and desantis have both shown it’s MAGA over the good of the state for them 

Per the Supreme Court case during hanging chad times, the election has to be decided in December. Removing Florida and Texas makes him winning impossible.

 

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7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It’s pretty clear there is no plan.

The only plan that has ever existed is how can we get trump elected. The rest is just a big fuck you to America. Since the reelection plan is obviously not gonna work they’re defaulting to the “fuck You America “plan.”

Trump - “Fuck You America!”

Trumpkins -“speak it trump!”

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You know his tweets are 'truth' to those who believe.

Verily, verily I sayeth. Law and Order shall prevail. Our heritage, our way of life, are threatened by the vast hordes of ___________. Send me your tithes, the sweat of your labor, your children, your very lives so that we may have Economy in these Dark Times. Think of these things I say to you, of the beautiful soldiers laying down their lives for bounty so that we may have golf courses and hotels in foreign lands; of the brave salon operators remaining open for the good of humanity, and the ratings--the lovely lovely ratings that tell us how wonderful I am.

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Just in case you want to know what transpired if you were working or dealing with the kids:

https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/

In case you don't like the URL, here's an excerpt from today.

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1/ Trump’s advisers anonymously sent media outlets a “lengthy list” of remarks made by Dr. Anthony Fauci in an effort to discredit him and stop him from making additional statements about the dangers of the ongoing coronavirus pandemic. One White House official said several Trump administration officials are “concerned about the number of times Dr. Fauci has been wrong on things,” citing Fauci’s comments in January that the coronavirus was “not a major threat” and his guidance in March that “people should not be walking around with masks.” The scientific and medical consensus on how to respond to the virus, however, has evolved over time, both in the U.S. and around the world. Many of Fauci’s “wrong” statements highlighted by the White House official were based on the best available data at the time and were widely echoed by Trump, other members of the coronavirus task force, and senior White House officials. Fauci, meanwhile, said that the states recently reopening had driven a spike in cases across the country. “We did not shut down entirely,” Fauci said. “And that’s the reason why — when we went up, we started to come down, and then we plateaued at a level that was really quite high, about 20,000 infections a day. Then, as we started to reopen, we’re seeing the surges that we’re seeing today as we speak.” (NBC News / Washington Post / New York Times / ABC News)

  • Trump – without evidence – retweeted a former game show personality who accused doctors and the CDC of “lying” about the coronavirus. There is no evidence the CDC or doctors are “lying.” (ABC News / Politico)

2/ Internal CDC documents warned that fully reopening K-12 schools and universities would be the “highest risk” for the spread of coronavirus. The 69-page document was circulated within the administration as Trump attacked the CDC guidelines around reopening schools as “too tough” and he, Pence, and Education Secretary Betsy DeVos increased their pressure on schools to fully reopen by the fall. During a White House task force briefing last week, Pence announced that the CDC would issue new guidance on reopening schools next week because “we just don’t want the guidance to be too tough.” CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield, however, later said that the CDC would not be releasing new guidance nor changing the guidance. (New York Times / CNN)

  • Betsy DeVos refused to say whether schools should follow the CDC guidelines on reopening, saying the guidelines are meant to be “flexible.” DeVos also told “Fox News Sunday” that “If schools aren’t going to reopen and not fulfill that promise, they shouldn’t get the funds,” and that the money should be redirected to families who can use it to find another option for their children. (CNN / Axios / Politico)

  • The Los Angeles and San Diego unified school districts will be remote-only in the fall. The two largest public school districts in California enroll about 825,000 students. (Los Angeles Times / Axios / New York Times)

  • Attorneys general in 17 states and the District of Columbia sued the Trump administration over its guidance to not allow foreign students to take online-only courses this fall. Harvard and Massachusetts Institute of Technology also filled lawsuits against the guidance last week and nearly 100 members of Congress sent a letter to DHS urging the department to rescind the policy. (CNN / New York Times)

3/ Two top health officials in the Trump administration said they “expect deaths to go up” in the U.S. as coronavirus cases continue to skyrocket in parts of the country. Admiral Brett Giroir, an assistant secretary with the Health and Human Services department, and surgeon general Dr. Jerome Adams both emphasized their concerns about the surging outbreaks, many of which are occurring in areas where people haven’t followed the recommendations from the CDC on how to limit the spread. “We’re all very concerned about the rise in cases, no doubt about that,” said Adm. Giroir, who has been in charge of the Trump administration’s testing response. “We do expect deaths to go up. If you have more cases, more hospitalizations, we do expect to see that over the next two or three weeks before this turns around.” (New York Times)

  • Florida reported a record 15,300 new coronavirus cases on Sunday – the most by any state in a single day. It shattered previous highs of 11,694 reported by California last week and 11,571 reported by New York on April 15. (Miami Herald / Washington Post / CNN / Politico)

  • California Gov. Gavin Newsom ordered indoor operations for restaurants, wineries, bars, movie theaters, and more to close immediately. 30 counties – which represent about 80% of Californians – will also be required to close fitness centers, places of worship, offices for noncritical sectors, personal care services, hair salons, barbershops, and malls. (CNBC / Politico / Axios)

  • Trump wore a mask for the first time in public. [Editor’s note: I can’t believe this is “news” but here we are.] (CBS News / CNN / Associated Press)

4/ Trump commuted Roger Stone’s jail sentence, who was convicted in 2019 of seven felonies for lying to Congress, witness tampering, and obstructing the House investigation into whether Trump’s campaign colluded with Russia to win the 2016 election. Stone was scheduled to begin his 40-month prison sentence on Tuesday. The White House denounced the “overzealous prosecutors” who convicted Stone on “process-based charges” as a result of the “witch hunts” as part of the “Russia hoax” investigation. The letter does not argue that Stone is innocent, only that he should not have been investigated in the first place. Attorney General William Barr recommended against granting Stone clemency. (Washington Post / New York Times / NBC News / Associated Press / Politico / BBC / CNN)

  • Robert Mueller responded to Trump’s claim that Roger Stone was a “victim” in the Justice Department’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. In a Washington Post op-ed, Mueller wrote: “Stone was prosecuted and convicted because he committed federal crimes. He remains a convicted felon, and rightly so.” (Washington Post / Axios / Politico)

5/ The White House granted Trump a second 45-day extension to file his personal financial disclosure forms. The forms, which were originally due on May 15, are supposed to detail Trump’s income, debt, stock holdings, and outstanding loans for 2019, but Trump got an extension until the end of June. On June 29, Scott Gast, deputy counsel to the president, granted Trump a second extension, until Aug. 13. Federal law allows only two such extensions. (Washington Post)

 

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I’ve settled into this daily routine where I think to myself “how can Trump possibly fuck this country up more than he already has,” and then like clockwork he finds a way......every fucking day!  I think I will literally lose my mind if he gets re-elected.

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On 7/11/2020 at 3:36 PM, Captainant said:

To Trump and Miller, it's selling an island of brown people for an island of white people. Galaxy brain move

According to Wikipedia, the population of Puerto Rico is 35% white. The population of Greenland is <10% white.  Not gonna happen.

 

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54 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

This is a criminal regime, killing Americans every day. Literally. Tolerating it is insanity.

this is a little off-topic, but it got me thinking today, as i heard several clips on cnn (on sirius) about testing, and how we test so much, and how we shouldn't test, because of blah blah, and 99% and all the rest of the daily nonsense bullshit.  obviously he doesn't want to test because he doesn't want higher numbers.  we fucking get it.

but here's the thing.  i have no idea how many americans have covid.  there's no ranking with other countries of cases that anyone gives a shit about like some medal count in the olympics.  i think i heard we crossed over 3mm and i'm sure i could look it up on worldo, but there's no point.

i care about the deaths.  i know we're over 135,000 deaths.  test, don't test, if people die from covid, that number grows.  you can't manipulate or lie around that number.  it don't spin. 500-800 per day for the next 3+ months and we're well over 200,000 dead americans by nov 1st.  that's just the math.

mortality rate is his new thing, but testing more (finding more cases) would actually be a good thing for the mortality rate to go down, so why isn't he pushing more testing?  positive test rate would also likely go down if he insisted everyone get tested (even the healthy asymptomatic folks), so why isn't he pushing more testing?  yeah yeah, it's about the economy, and schools, and getting people back to work, and the stock market.  but there isn't some magic number of positive cases that allows or prohibits this from happening.  sick and dying people are what prohibits this from happening.  

it just doesn't make sense because of course it doesn't.  plans make sense.  even bad plans make some sense.  no plans = no sense.

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10 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

i care about the deaths.  i know we're over 135,000 deaths.  test, don't test, if people die from covid, that number grows.  you can't manipulate or lie around that number.  it don't spin. 500-800 per day for the next 3+ months and we're well over 200,000 dead americans by nov 1st.  that's just the math.

Exactly. The absolute number of America deaths is the most important number, and the number of US deaths divided by the US population is the only rate that matters in comparison to other countries. Surprise! We are terrible on both. 

Lincoln Project or others should create spots that just highlight the cities with the same population as the number of dead. Waco, TX; Denton, TX; Torrance, CA; Metairie, LA; Savannah, GA; Rockford, IL: all gone. By November you're getting cities like Tallahassee, Eugene, Fort Lauderdale, Tempe, Shreveport, Mobile, Knoxville...holy shit. 

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7 hours ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

I can't fathom how the Democrats can't make a simple tv/email ad about this and target every veteran and active duty military person in the country with it.  Just say Donald Trump is trying to make money off of the death of service men and throw some waving flags and shit on the screen and I am pretty sure that would sway quite a few people in the military away from Trump.   Eh, who am I kidding.  They would wave it off as fake news and by another MAGA hat.  

 

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Something, something, welfare queens.  Cadillacs.  Hand up, not a hand out. Socialism.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/14/donald-trump-coronavirus-farmer-bailouts-359932

 

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Government payments to farmers have surged to historic levels under President Donald Trump as the Agriculture Department floods the industry with cash to stem the financial losses from Trump’s tariff fights and the coronavirus pandemic.

But as agriculture grows more reliant on unprecedented taxpayer support, farm policy experts and watchdog groups warn the subsidies are growing too big and too fast, with no strings attached and little oversight from Congress — and that Washington could have a difficult time shutting off the spigot.

 

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Direct farm aid has climbed each year of Trump’s presidency, from $11.5 billion in 2017 to more than $32 billion this year — an all-time high, with potentially far more funding still to come in 2020, amounting to about two-thirds of the cost of the entire Department of Housing and Urban Development and more than the Agriculture Department’s $24 billion discretionary budget, according to a POLITICO analysis. But lawmakers have taken a largely hands-off approach, letting the department decide who gets the money and how much.

 

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The massive payments have been a political boon to Trump in farm country — he tweeted in January that he hoped the money would be “the thing they will most remember” — but risk creating a culture of dependency, as farmers and ranchers work the bonus subsidies into their financial plans when making large, up-front investments in seed, feed and farm machinery.

“It’s a big problem for agriculture because it’s not sustainable,” said Anne Schechinger, senior economics analyst at the Environmental Working Group, a nonprofit watchdog organization. “It’s really difficult once you’re giving farmers this much money to then take away those [payments].”

 

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The spending surge began in mid-2018 when USDA started writing checks to farmers and ranchers to pay for the damage from Trump’s trade war, which brought about higher tariffs that crushed agricultural exports and commodity prices. Farm sales to China plummeted from $19.5 billion in 2017 to just $9 billion the next year; as producers continued to hemorrhage profits in 2019, farm bankruptcies jumped nearly 20 percent last year.

The trade bailout has now spanned three years and surpassed $23 billion, even though it was never appropriated by Congress. Instead, the money was funneled through USDA’s Commodity Credit Corporation, a Depression-era agency that can borrow from the U.S. Treasury to stabilize the farm economy.

“The administration picked these trade fights promising agriculture that this would lead to some better world at some point,” Hamilton said. “Rather than suffering any consequence for the ill-conceived strategy, they just said, ‘Hey, let’s tap the bank. We’ll buy our way out of this.’”

Because agriculture is both high-risk and vital to the food supply, the government has long been in the business of helping farmers and ranchers manage economic downturns, natural disasters and other headwinds; Congress routinely passes farm bills that include a suite of subsidies, conservation incentives, crop insurance and other safety net programs. Under the Obama administration, total direct payments to farmers ranged from $9.8 billion to nearly $13 billion per year.

But under Trump, the trade bailout and coronavirus relief efforts have pushed farm spending to more than twice that level, with far more in the pipeline.

USDA is currently distributing $16 billion in farm rescue payments, on top of standard farm bill subsidies, plus another round of trade bailout checks earlier this year. But bipartisan lawmakers are now calling for adding as much as $50 billion to Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue’s arsenal in the next stimulus package to help producers stung by supply chain disruptions.

Farm industry groups and their allies on Capitol Hill argue the money is needed to stem the steep losses after many of the biggest food purchasers, like schools and restaurants, stopped buying. Even as the cost of beef climbed at grocery stores during the pandemic, for example, the money wasn’t reaching cattle ranchers who received unusually low prices for their livestock from meatpackers.

Perdue himself has said there wasn’t enough aid to go around, forcing USDA to leave entire sectors out of its coronavirus relief program, like ethanol producers who shuttered half of their nationwide operations because of plunging fuel consumption.

A USDA spokesperson defended the aid programs as necessary to offset other nations' “unfair and illegal trade retaliation” against farmers. The spokesperson said Trump is trying to “fix broken trade deals and ensure all Americans enjoy free and fair trade with countries around the world,” touting the new USMCA pact, partial agreements with China and Japan and ongoing negotiations with the European Union and the United Kingdom.

“Recent estimates indicate damages to the U.S. agricultural sector from the pandemic alone could be as much as $50 billion over the next two years,” the spokesperson said in an email. “The president has issued billions of dollars of support to ensure American agriculture remains financially viable.”

Even before the pandemic, the industry was already in a vulnerable spot after a seven-year downturn in agriculture and farm debt rising to historic levels. The trade aid and coronavirus relief programs have been a critical lifeline for the hardest-hit producers. But the growing reliance on massive, one-off bailout packages could leave a painful hangover as soon as next year.

“It’s hard rolling back these things,” said Joseph Glauber, senior fellow at the International Food Policy Research Institute and former USDA chief economist. “The headlines are going to scream when [USDA] puts out a February 2021 farm income forecast that doesn’t show any ad hoc payments. Those will be ripped out of the balance sheet.”

For example, the University of Missouri’s Food and Agricultural Policy Research Institute in June released its baseline estimates, showing government farm payments falling from at least $32.8 billion this year to $16.6 billion in 2021. Barring a strong economic recovery, the drop-off would leave a gaping hole in many farmers’ bottom lines: According to FAPRI’s analysis, net farm income would sink from $90.6 billion in 2020 to $79.4 billion next year, a far cry from the 2013 peak of $139 billion.

For some farmers, the lost income could be the difference between staying in business or closing up shop. With less money coming in amid Trump’s trade war, a growing number of farmers started falling behind on their loans; the rate of delinquencies hit an eight-year high in the first quarter of 2020, according to S&P Global Market Intelligence.

That’s also a problem for the broader rural economy, from community banks and farm equipment makers to non-agricultural businesses that still rely on the sector to keep money flowing to the area.

The heartland’s reliance on steady farm income means the recurring debates in Washington over extending farm rescue payments for yet another year are likely to continue.

“There will obviously be political pressure to make sure the sector is as financially healthy as possible,” said Patrick Westhoff, FAPRI’s director. “If we’re looking at a sharp downturn in farm income in front of us without additional payments, you can bet there will be a lot of pressure for payments to occur.”

While most farmers and ranchers welcomed the sorely needed trade aid and coronavirus relief payments, ad hoc payments are seen as less reliable than established subsidies, crop insurance and other programs that producers can count on year in, year out. And the mixed messages from Washington each year about whether more bailout payments are on the way can leave farmers guessing as they try to make critical business decisions like securing farm loans or choosing which crops to plant.

“It’s one more source of uncertainty, and this is a time of a lot of uncertainty,” Westhoff said. “How much more complicated can we make this for producers?”

Pressure for more farm payments

Early this year, before the coronavirus started spreading in the U.S., industry groups and farm-state lawmakers were already calling for USDA to extend the trade bailout program for a third year — even though Trump had just signed a phase one pact with China that he touted as a historic win for U.S. agriculture, effectively voiding the main reason for another bailout.

Among those seeking another round of tariff relief payments in 2020 was the American Farm Bureau Federation. The powerful farm lobby group, which welcomes Trump as a regular guest at its annual gatherings, came out in support of more payments after some internal debate about whether the aid was still needed this year.

“We feel like we’ve crossed the deep part of this [trade war], but let’s trust but verify,” Dale Moore, the Farm Bureau’s executive vice president, said of the group’s thinking at the time.

Perdue repeatedly urged farmers not to plan on any more trade aid, arguing that the direct payments weren’t meant to become a permanent price-support program. But he was overruled by a Trump tweet promising farmers more bailout money if the agreement with China and the NAFTA 2.0 deal with Canada and Mexico didn’t soon pan out.

Once the coronavirus hit the U.S., any hopes for a farm rebound in 2020 were dashed, and the need for a surge of government payments to keep farmers afloat was widely accepted in Washington. Schools, restaurants and meatpacking plants shut down, and producers left without buyers were forced to start dumping milk, euthanizing livestock and plowing fruits and vegetables into the ground.

Zucchini and squash are seen after being discarded by a Florida farmer on April 1, 2020, in Florida City, Fla. | Joe Raedle/Getty Images

Between the coronavirus, trade headwinds and severe flooding in the Midwest last year, Moore said, “things are so far out of whack” that farmers need more financial help than the annual safety net programs can provide.

“Right now, that safety net is chock full of holes,” he said. “We’re headed into our seventh year of a down farm economy. Is that trendline going to change? Forget all the other factors that occurred in the last two or three years.”

November elections could shape future farm payments

Starting next year, the flood of government payments to farmers could be up in the air with a new Congress and potentially a new administration. Recent polls have shown former Vice President Joe Biden with a large lead over Trump.

“You have an election in November that could put a very different dynamic in the White House on this,” said Glauber, the former USDA chief economist.

Trump counts farmers and ranchers as some of his most loyal supporters, and he’s quick to talk up his trade bailout in stump speeches and on Twitter. “Our great farmers will receive another major round of ‘cash,’ compliments of China tariffs, prior to Thanksgiving,” Trump tweeted last November, even though U.S. businesses and consumers are paying for the duties rather than China.

That has bought the president significant support in rural America.

“The crossbar that President Trump’s team set, in terms of the number of times I’ve heard the president say ‘farmer, rancher,’ is fairly unusual,” Moore said. “Whether or not a different president would pay as much attention to agriculture as President Trump has, I can’t answer that question.”

Democrats have also stepped up their outreach to rural voters since being almost wiped out across the Midwest in 2016. It’s unclear if their renewed focus on farm policy would carry over into the White House if Biden wins in November.

So far, Biden's campaign has laid out an agriculture and rural policy platform that includes boosting farm exports and avoiding the tariff fights that have battered the industry under Trump. Biden has also hit the president specifically for the bailout payments in campaign ads. One spot features an Iowa farmer who says of Trump’s trade policy: “We’re going to screw you over and pay you off with somebody else’s money.”

The Trump administration has also faced accusations of using the trade bailout to shore up the president’s political standing with a key constituency.

“There’s definitely a connection between his supporters and the people who are getting the money from these huge payments,” said Schechinger of the Environmental Working Group. “I’m not going to say that he created [the trade bailout] to give money to his voters, because we can’t really prove that. But we do know that his base was largely in rural areas, and that is where this money has gone.”

There’s definitely a connection between his supporters and the people who are getting the money from these huge payments

Hamilton, the former Drake Agricultural Law Center director, said it’s “hard to see it as anything but political vote-buying” in battleground states like Iowa and Wisconsin that have received the bulk of the payments.

“Iowa’s kind of ground-zero in terms of the impact on soybean sales to China, or half of our ethanol plants being offline,” he said. “Look at where the payments are going. … Iowa’s probably a fairly important state in terms of the president’s hopes and plans for how he gets reelected.”

On the other hand, he said, there appears to be widespread support for the farm payments in Congress, including among farm-state Democrats. “They’re not going to say, ‘Stop the payments,’ right?” Hamilton said. “Everybody’s happy to receive them.”

The swelling of farm bailout program stands out as the defining feature of Trump’s farm policy. The record payments have overshadowed the president’s efforts to rewrite agricultural trade deals, rebalance biofuel policies between farmers and oil interests and overhaul clean water protections, meatpacking regulations and more.

“The top [issue] has to be the fact that you had record farm spending over these years,” Glauber said. “Most of it — the non-Covid stuff, the trade war in particular — was self-inflicted.”

Glauber, who spent more than three decades at USDA until 2014, said he doesn’t fault farmers who sorely need the financial help — or Perdue and the agency officials who were directed by the White House and Congress to quickly come up with complex farm rescue plans. But he said the aid should be considered “in a more rational way,” including more direction from lawmakers about how to divvy up the money among the many sectors of agriculture.

“They’re essentially giving [USDA] a blank piece of paper and saying, ‘Here’s a bunch of money. You decide how to spend it,’” he said. “The bigger question is, if you’re spending all this money, how do you wean yourself off it?”

 

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I think they know crediting Trump with getting rid of Waco would give him a big bump in his polling.

 

 

Maybe from those who post here.... but if you want to win suburban white women, destroying Waco is a bad idea. That’s their shiplaped Mecca and Medina.

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it just doesn't make sense because of course it doesn't.  plans make sense.  even bad plans make some sense.  no plans = no sense.

There’s a plan, it just appears nonsensical if you look at it from the perspective of a moral and ethical human being concerned with the well being of Americans.

Instead, think about things from the perspective of an enemy.  How could you eliminate the US as a world leader and protector of Western democracy while not being annihilated in the process?  If you take that problem and look at the totality of what has happened over the last 5 years,  then it very much looks like there is a plan at work.  A masterful plan that may prove to be the greatest geopolitical gambit in history.

BD265-DE3-BFCB-41-E5-A359-3-F568-B6-B4-E

 

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this is a little off-topic, but it got me thinking today, as i heard several clips on cnn (on sirius) about testing, and how we test so much, and how we shouldn't test, because of blah blah, and 99% and all the rest of the daily nonsense bullshit.  obviously he doesn't want to test because he doesn't want higher numbers.  we fucking get it.
but here's the thing.  i have no idea how many americans have covid.  there's no ranking with other countries of cases that anyone gives a shit about like some medal count in the olympics.  i think i heard we crossed over 3mm and i'm sure i could look it up on worldo, but there's no point.
i care about the deaths.  i know we're over 135,000 deaths.  test, don't test, if people die from covid, that number grows.  you can't manipulate or lie around that number.  it don't spin. 500-800 per day for the next 3+ months and we're well over 200,000 dead americans by nov 1st.  that's just the math.
mortality rate is his new thing, but testing more (finding more cases) would actually be a good thing for the mortality rate to go down, so why isn't he pushing more testing?  positive test rate would also likely go down if he insisted everyone get tested (even the healthy asymptomatic folks), so why isn't he pushing more testing?  yeah yeah, it's about the economy, and schools, and getting people back to work, and the stock market.  but there isn't some magic number of positive cases that allows or prohibits this from happening.  sick and dying people are what prohibits this from happening.  
it just doesn't make sense because of course it doesn't.  plans make sense.  even bad plans make some sense.  no plans = no sense.

1. We don’t really know how many people are dying from Covid. If Grandma is diagnosed with Covid, and dies two weeks later, she is counted. If she’s not diagnosed, she may not be. Eventually we will have an estimate of how many died. When Trump attacks Obama for 13k dead from H1N1, he is referring to an estimate developed by CDC scientists, not the much lower confirmed deaths. There are a lot more than 140k Americans who have died from this disease so far.

2. Trump is stupid/crazy enough to believe this is all just media hype. Confirmed cases are feeding those stories he believes are fake news. The only plan he needs is to counter the stories. The virus will just miraculously disappear one day.
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46 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Juat adding a fuck Trump and the GOP for that abortion of a tax bill. I had no idea moving expenses related to a job are no longer deductible unless you are a very small category. Fuck you.

While it sucks, the one positive thing about that tax bill is the elimination of deductions.

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I know Ivanka thinks in the fabulous Clooney world, she's the Anna Kendrick character in "Up in the Air" but she's really the Tilda Swinton character in "Michael Clayton."  

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2 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Um, fuck you.  No it is not.

At some point, if this country survives, we're either going to have to eliminate deductions and loopholes or increase the tax rate substantially.

I, like many, probably including yourself before moving, am cornholed by the elimination of the property/state tax deduction.

It pisses me off, but it needed to happen.

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1 hour ago, Tuco said:

1. We don’t really know how many people are dying from Covid. If Grandma is diagnosed with Covid, and dies two weeks later, she is counted. If she’s not diagnosed, she may not be. Eventually we will have an estimate of how many died. When Trump attacks Obama for 13k dead from H1N1, he is referring to an estimate developed by CDC scientists, not the much lower confirmed deaths. There are a lot more than 140k Americans who have died from this disease so far.

This.  While the bottom line is deaths, without massive testing, you have no idea how many people really died from it.  Which I guess is the dotard's ultimate goal.

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23 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

At some point, if this country survives, we're either going to have to eliminate deductions and loopholes or increase the tax rate substantially.

I, like many, probably including yourself before moving, am cornholed by the elimination of the property/state tax deduction.

It pisses me off, but it needed to happen.

If you eliminate the deductions, then get rid of the fucking progressive taxes.  Also, get the rates lower.  I would be ok with a flat tax of 10 or 15% provided the first 40-50k for each individual was tax free (that is honestly what it costs to live) on a pure income tax.  You get no other deductions.  You eliminate all sorts of costs with enforcement.  

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Assume we missed 25% of the deaths caused by Coronavirus.  So that puts the net total at what?---175k, 200k?  SOmething like that? 

Is that really his strategy?  It won't sit with Americans to lose 185,000 fellow citizens due to our inept handling of it, but we can live with 140,000 dead and promises of "tremendous testing?"  What the fuck?  

When your China travel restriction was the last proactive step you took, and that was 5+ months ago, I guess you gotta cling at something. 

Somebody on another thread found out at the coronavirus.gov site, the main website for government data and resources and guidelines...was registered and launched on 8 January.  Just 9 days after China revealed the Covid-19 virus strain.  Curious that his administration deployed that resource over a hoax that was already about to disappear.  Somebody sure as shit knew something was about to go horribly wrong in this country with this virus, and had that kind of foresight.  But like the Russian Bounty Hunters, it did not rise to the level of the President taking note of it on his PDB.  But what does rise to the level of the President's daily briefing interest are the words of the great Chuck Woolery.  

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19 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

If you eliminate the deductions, then get rid of the fucking progressive taxes.  Also, get the rates lower.  I would be ok with a flat tax of 10 or 15% provided the first 40-50k for each individual was tax free (that is honestly what it costs to live) on a pure income tax.  You get no other deductions.  You eliminate all sorts of costs with enforcement.  

You're starting to sound like a Republican. ;)

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