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21 minutes ago, Gooby said:

You are right, but right now, I'm in a place where I feel like these people need to marinate in their idiocy for a while.

Difficult call. Maybe you didn't need to cuss her, but walking away from someone can be more persuasive than words sometimes. Some acts and positions are, indeed, intolerable.

I've managed to avoid the subject with facebook people. I only comment on politics on threads started by someone else. I rarely start a thread about Trump or anything. I'm thinking maybe that should change. A great many of high school acquaintances will likely fall away. Maybe a few will consider my positions seriously and at least do a little reflection.

It's not an easy call where feeling are involved.

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Hearing Eckerd is in the running for the next contract. 

Blockbuster Video will begin distributing antibody tests.  But if you don’t bring back your swab by the third evening, you have to pay the loan back with interest.  

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I see we are having the turn the cheek and be the better person conversation again. We've been the better person for forty plus years since Reagan made it cool to be a selfish prick, and every iteration of conservatives/gop is drastically worse than the previous one. They just fucked my snowflake feelings six ways from Sunday for 3 years and true to form, now that the temper tantrum is almost over, they need their back rub and comforting words. Shh shh shhh my little conservative, Biden's not black and he's not a socialist, everything is gonna be ok. Yeah fuck all that and fuck these people. It's time for them to grow the fuck up and be a better person. Admit they stand for nothing and have made conspiracy theories mainstream in order to fill the void. Apologize and make up for the past 20 years of Republican destruction. They never will. They need to be crushed and salted over or they're going to fucking end us all next time they come back even more vile than now. 

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34 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Anybody remember when Republicans were infuriated by the # of Executive Orders issued by Obama?  No?

Trump  175 (50 per year)

Obama 276 (34.5 per year)

W 291 (36.4 per year)

Clinton 364 (45.5 per year)

Bush  166 (41.5 per year)

Reagan 381 (47.6 per year)

Carter 320 (80 per year)

Ford 169 (28.2 per year)

Nixon 346 (62.9 per year)

LBJ 325 (62.9 per year)

Kennedy 214 (75.4 per year)

 

I'll stop there.  The astute reader will note that Obama issued the fewest Executive Orders per year of the last 7 Presidents.

 

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Anybody remember when Republicans were infuriated by the # of Executive Orders issued by Obama?  No?

Trump  175 (50 per year)

Obama 276 (34.5 per year)

W 291 (36.4 per year)

Clinton 364 (45.5 per year)

Bush  166 (41.5 per year)

Reagan 381 (47.6 per year)

Carter 320 (80 per year)

Ford 169 (28.2 per year)

Nixon 346 (62.9 per year)

LBJ 325 (62.9 per year)

Kennedy 214 (75.4 per year)

 

I'll stop there.  The astute reader will note that Obama issued the fewest Executive Orders per year of the last 7 Presidents.

 

Although EOs is not necessarily a good measure of executive power or the usurpation of same, those numbers do put the lie to the idea that executive power is a recent, GOP creation.  #bothsides.  Although Barr, Cheney et cie. seem to be taking it to 11, in no small part because of the recalcitrance of the legislature (self-inflicted).

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seriously how disgusting can one person be? this particular set of tweets made my physically ill. what a pile of human excrement this guy is.

It’s a literal “fuck you” to the working poor and middle class who only want access to good schools and decent communities. Oh also, it’s not 1950 anymore and suburbs aren’t virtually all white. 

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1 minute ago, Pig Bellmont said:

It’s a literal “fuck you” to the working poor and middle class who only want access to good schools and decent communities. Oh also, it’s not 1950 anymore and suburbs aren’t virtually all white. 

it's mind bottling. it's like he actively wants to lose this shit, bigly. why the fuck would he tweet that? think it, sure, I guess I get that. We've had plenty of leaders who hated a large segment of the population, but didn't say so out loud. this whole thing is just amazing at this point. I keep asking how low he can go, and he just continuously shows me another level of cretin I didn't even know existed.

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I went to a hiking trail in South Dallas in the Bon Ton neighborhood, which was one of the worst in Dallas and included two of the old-style (40s-50s) housing projects, Turner Courts and Rhoads Terrace, and they were awful.

They have torn those down, and rebuilt nice looking apartments and single-family homes all through the neighborhood and it has completely turned the place around.  There's even a farm/market in it that people from all over the city come to that provides employment for locals.

I'm sure the housing is subsidized, but it's nice and it's been there for a few years and isn't torn to shit.  When you do subsidized housing right, I don't think there's anything to fear.

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57 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Look I know he tweeted this over an hour ago, so it is old news, but how exactly does the President of the United States lower drug prices?  Does he go to CVS/Walgreens/Duane Reade and enter the new prices in their POS system?

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seriously how disgusting can one person be? this particular set of tweets made me physically ill. what a pile of human excrement this guy is.

yeah...i can't believe i'm saying this but those tweets still managed to shock me. just stunning, the quiet parts out loud.

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I went to a hiking trail in South Dallas in the Bon Ton neighborhood, which was one of the worst in Dallas and included two of the old-style (40s-50s) housing projects, Turner Courts and Rhoads Terrace, and they were awful.

They have torn those down, and rebuilt nice looking apartments and single-family homes all through the neighborhood and it has completely turned the place around.  There's even a farm/market in it that people from all over the city come to that provides employment for locals.

I'm sure the housing is subsidized, but it's nice and it's been there for a few years and isn't torn to shit.  When you do subsidized housing right, I don't think there's anything to fear.

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Ive been in favor of and vocal about 2 housing developments being proposed in my area of Houston for subsidized low income housing. The amount of pushback is substantial and amazing. They try to say things like infrastructure can’t support it, or even flooding and parking. But when you put the screws to them, it’s always crime and property values and Not In My Backyard bullshit. And we don’t love in the suburbs. Nice to see a success story. 

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Look I know he tweeted this over an hour ago, so it is old news, but how exactly does the President of the United States lower drug prices?  Does he go to CVS/Walgreens/Duane Reade and enter the new prices in their POS system?

He signed an executive order cutting Medicare payments to drug makers, which really doesn’t change anything to the consumer - but he now can try and boast that he did something for seniors despite the pandemic being out of control 

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He signed an executive order cutting Medicare payments to drug makers, which really doesn’t change anything to the consumer - but he now can try and boast that he did something for seniors despite the pandemic being out of control 

So now they will raise prices for non Medicare reimbursements. They won’t just take that loss and say, oh well 🤷🏽‍♂️

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Brought to you by the same guy who bought every bit of Remdesivir that Gilead can sell, and which Americans will get to buy for the low low price of $2,340.

If China needs Remdesivir, do you think they are going to pay Gilead a king's ransom and resell it to Chinese citizens at more than $2k a pop? 

So even in a pandemic, we can't ask a company that had 5 billion dollars in net income last year to take one on the chin to help the American people and/or get the economy back going.

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3 hours ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

I see where you are coming from, but I don’t agree. The true mags believers aren’t people you try and rationalize with or convince them of the error in their ways by using facts and logic.

fuck’em.

True believers don't change their minds after learning new information, admit they were wrong, and apologize. During that moment of clarity, maybe that person would be open to rational discourse. You can always cut them off but it's not often that you can reason with them. If they present you with an opportunity to open their mind, I think you have to at least try. 

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My point is...why post it at all? So some dudes on the internet could agree with you that you don't wanna bang her anymore? Cool cool coolcoolcool. Very hip. Very surly. emoji849.png

Your description of how far gone politically she is was enough. You didn't need to drag her physical appearance into this, much less post an actual photo. Would you have done the same if it was an old guy friend of yours?

Have you seen blacklab's avatar?

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1 hour ago, Gooby said:

You are right, but right now, I'm in a place where I feel like these people need to marinate in their idiocy for a while.

i know there are folks on "both sides" but i think you made the right call here (sorry was a couple pages late on reading your initial story).

here was someone who was willing to throw away your "friendship" over a trump-adjacent "doctor" and her crazy opinion.  she clearly had not vetted this person, because that's not what these people do.  they latch onto something they barely know anything about, then defend it to the teeth against any and all comers.  like you said, trump was not brought up, and she was the one who instigated the break in friendship (social media, or otherwise).  if this was the hill she was willing to die on, then she needed to die on that hill.

there was an article posted a couple months ago about "how do we reason with people who disagree with us (trump people)".  the takeaway was that often these people lash out against those who try to reason with them, and this makes them hold more strongly the crazy beliefs you're trying to untangle with simple logic and facts.  by trying to have a rational conversation with her (or others) you're just as likely to make her more resilient in her beliefs.  so in this case, given your history, i say fuck it, you made the right call.  with any luck, she'll examine her own ideas and opinions, and the nature with which she wields them, and wake the fuck up.  if she cannot do this on her own, all the calm words in the world wouldn't make her permanently change her mind.

it's a real shame, because i feel like we're all having moments like this.  i have one really good friend in particular, and we have a 30+ year friendship.  and he's one of these "trump is a child and he's terrible but he's goo with the economy and biden is in bed with china and aoc and hunter and spying on campaigns and blah blah".  once i hear those buzzwords, i know that i can either change the subject, or put our friendship in jeopardy.  i typically change the subject.  when we mature, we can see how conversations are going to end before they start.  i see it when i'm writing scripts.  i know how a conversation that starts in the garage next to a wrecked car on page 12 is going to end on page 15.  i know the emotions involved, and i know how each character is going to feel when it's over.  i'm 11 years older than my wife, and it's very clear that i play out the conversations we have before i start them, and she doesn't.  it's something you grow into.

in my case, with my good friend, we both know it's better to avoid getting to the boiling point.  but in your case, it sounds like this was the best remedy.  people like her can be dealt with with some tough love and personal time to stew on it, or with calming, logical words.  if you're not that close to her, the first option is the best option.  sure, in a perfect world, ideas would win out.  facts would win out.  but we're in a world where we can't even agree to what constitutes a fucking fact.  and that's the really depressing part of this.  that's a problem now, and that will still be a problem on november 4th.  and it's a problem without a solution.  this isn't like lord of the rings where one thing dies and everything controlled by it kinda disappears (i only saw it once, i don't really like that genre).

we need to win in november and win big.  we need to make sure the reasonable people in all of our lives vote.  that is more than enough.  send them videos made by dems and never-trumpers.  send them silly trump tweets and unedited videos.  make them angry.  show them what is happening in down-ballot races, house and senate, and how truly terrible some of these people are (i just read the perdue story with the anti-semitic ad).  put it in front of them, and shame them if you have to.

not everyone can be saved.  you wanna save someone, save yourself, and go from there.

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49 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

He signed an executive order cutting Medicare payments to drug makers, which really doesn’t change anything to the consumer - but he now can try and boast that he did something for seniors despite the pandemic being out of control 

Well, he signed an order telling HHS to cut payments to drug makers, to the lowest price paid by any nation.  He didn't need an EO to do that.  And it isn't effective until HHS/CMS actually do it, which could take a year or more, not including any challenges.

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4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, he signed an order telling HHS to cut payments to drug makers, to the lowest price paid by any nation.  He didn't need an EO to do that.  And it isn't effective until HHS/CMS actually do it, which could take a year or more, not including any challenges.

So like everything he's done in life, he basically just put his name on it.

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It's because the opposite requires him to admit some kind of fault on his part. Between this and the white power video, it also makes it the second time this month that he retweets something so obviously wrong on its face that the best excuse his handlers will be able to come up with is that he was unaware of the full content of what he was retweeting. Throughout this entire presidency, the threshold of "absurd" keeps getting pushed farther and farther back. I miss the good old days where we would point and laugh at a foreign leader like Duterte who would wave a gun on TV and blame the country's ills on demons and obviously fringe science. Yet, here I find myself today, commenting on the president of the world's only superpower retweeting a doctor who specializes more in the occult than actual medicine.

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