Donald Trump 2020

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[Guest Lobo]

18 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Does that mean, like..."Hey you guys in Space Force...get out and vote!'  Or like is that type of super-impenetrable type of vote...a "Space Force Vote"?  Or is that a command from their Commander-in-Chief, like "Space Force.  Activate."?  I think it's probably, "Hey America remember that I invented Space Force, so vote for me this November."  I'm pretty sure that's what it means because it's the dumbest of the four options I laid out, so that means it's the one he meant. 

With everything going on right now in the United States, the security of Outer Space wouldn't crack any American's Top 10 list of concerns.  It wouldn't crack the Top 10 list of concerns of NASA or the Air Force.  This guy is on serious drugs this morning.  

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31 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

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18 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Does that mean, like..."Hey you guys in Space Force...get out and vote!'  Or like is that type of super-impenetrable type of vote...a "Space Force Vote"?  Or is that a command from their Commander-in-Chief, like "Space Force.  Activate."?  I think it's probably, "Hey America remember that I invented Space Force, so vote for me this November."  I'm pretty sure that's what it means because it's the dumbest of the four options I laid out, so that means it's the one he meant. 

With everything going on right now in the United States, the security of Outer Space wouldn't crack any American's Top 10 list of concerns.  It wouldn't crack the Top 10 list of concerns of NASA or the Air Force.  This guy is on serious drugs this morning.  

Given his propensity for punctuation errors, I add a final option. He meant to place the period after the word, space.

Thus:

SPACE. FORCE VOTE!

 

Like many of us in the year 2020, we are awaiting the asteroid that will accomplish what worldwide fires, earthquakes, murder hornets, twin hurricanes, war, and pandemic could not.

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39 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Does that mean, like..."Hey you guys in Space Force...get out and vote!'  Or like is that type of super-impenetrable type of vote...a "Space Force Vote"?  Or is that a command from their Commander-in-Chief, like "Space Force.  Activate."?  I think it's probably, "Hey America remember that I invented Space Force, so vote for me this November."  I'm pretty sure that's what it means because it's the dumbest of the four options I laid out, so that means it's the one he meant. 

With everything going on right now in the United States, the security of Outer Space wouldn't crack any American's Top 10 list of concerns.  It wouldn't crack the Top 10 list of concerns of NASA or the Air Force.  This guy is on serious drugs this morning.  

Nope. I'm a single issue pro-Space Force voter. The security of outer space is the only thing that matters. I've seen Independence Day. I was wavering because I am against every single other thing he does, but I'm now back in the fold.

 

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17 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

Nope. I'm a single issue pro-Space Force voter. The security of outer space is the only thing that matters. I've seen Independence Day. I was wavering because I am against every single other thing he does, but I'm now back in the fold.

 

We fuckin wish it was real. 
 

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20,400]

"Trump was sent here by God!" You'd think that the thousands of times in which people have held idiotic beliefs like this and wound up really regretting it would resonate with these people, but that would be an erroneous assumption.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/05/maga-supporters-walter-reed-trump-covid-426295
 

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9 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

"Trump was sent here by God!" You'd think that the thousands of times in which people have held idiotic beliefs like this and wound up really regretting it would resonate with these people, but that would be an erroneous assumption.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/05/maga-supporters-walter-reed-trump-covid-426295
 

What I always love about this is the simple truth that "so were the fucking plagues of Egypt."  Be careful with your associations there, shitty theologians.

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17 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

"Trump was sent here by God!" You'd think that the thousands of times in which people have held idiotic beliefs like this and wound up really regretting it would resonate with these people, but that would be an erroneous assumption.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/05/maga-supporters-walter-reed-trump-covid-426295
 

If god was a person, and he was a parent, he would considered a shittier parent than a crack whore, and would at minimum be prosecuted for neglect, child endangerment and child abuse.  

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45 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

What I always love about this is the simple truth that "so were the fucking plagues of Egypt."  Be careful with your associations there, shitty theologians.

A lot of the Old Testament is God mercifully delaying but ultimately giving His people the terrible things that they want, including terrible leaders. God sent does not necessarily mean God-approved. 
 

I actually agree that Trump was appointed by God, I just think it means something a little bit different than Trump’s supporters.

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1 hour ago, Horn Dog said:

If god was a person, and he was a parent, he would considered a shittier parent than a crack whore, and would at minimum be prosecuted for neglect, child endangerment and child abuse.  

Which god? And why assume a masculine gender?

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I know the other thread is the hot ticket right now, but putting this quote here for posterity: 

Donald J. Trump, 10/5/2020: “Don’t be afraid of Covid.”

Holy shit.

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Don't be afraid of Covid! If you get it, just get in your Marine helicopter and be flown to a hospital that will give you $100K+ worth of treatments that you won't have to pay for!

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Great article from NYT.  We, er, most of us here knew what kind of shit and outright lies the Trump admin was telling the coal industry while it was dying.  But to read how it bent over backwards to try to save the industry at the same time the industry is dying is another thing.  

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/05/us/politics/trump-coal-industry.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

 

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For decades, waves of electricity poured from this behemoth of a power plant on the high desert plateau of the Navajo reservation in northwestern Arizona, lighting up hundreds of thousands of homes from Phoenix to Las Vegas as it burned 240 rail cars’ worth of coal a day.

But as the day shift ended here at the Navajo Generating Station one evening early this year, all but a half-dozen spaces in the employee parking lot — a stretch of asphalt larger than a football field — were empty.

 

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It was a similar scene at the nearby Kayenta coal mine, which fueled the plant. Dozens of the giant earth-moving machines that for decades ripped apart the hillside sat parked in long rows, motionless. Not a single coal miner was in sight, just a big, black Chihuahuan raven sitting atop a light post.

Saving these two complexes was at the heart of an intense three-year effort by the Trump administration to stabilize the coal industry and make good on President Trump’s 2016 campaign promise to end “the war on coal.”

 

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“We’re going to put our miners back to work,” Mr. Trump promised soon after taking office.

He didn’t.

Despite Mr. Trump stocking his administration with coal-industry executives and lobbyists, taking big donations from the industry, rolling back environmental regulations and intervening directly in cases like the Arizona power plant and mine, coal’s decline has only accelerated in recent years.

 

Spoiler

And with the president now in the closing stages of his struggling re-election campaign, his failure to live up to his pledge challenges his claim to be a champion of working people and to restore what he portrayed four years ago as the United States’ lost industrial might.

The story of the complex in Arizona demonstrates the lengths the administration went to in helping a favored industry, the limits of its ability to counter powerful economic forces pushing in the other direction and ultimately Mr. Trump’s quiet retreat from his promises.

In the years after Mr. Trump’s election, the federal government offered help valued at as much as $1 billion to keep this one power plant and coal mine up and running by embracing an industry plan to relax costly air-quality requirements.

A Republican lawmaker from Arizona sought to force one of the state’s largest utilities to continue to buy power from the plant. Peabody, the world’s largest coal company, offered to discount the price of the coal it was selling the power plant from the Kayenta mine.

None of it proved to be enough. By late last year, both the Kayenta mine and the Navajo Generating Station had gone offline, a high-profile example of the industry’s broader collapse and the resulting economic and political aftershocks.

Alvin Long, 61, who spent nearly three decades maintaining the earth-moving machines at the Kayenta mine before it closed and remains unemployed, said the past several years have led him to reassess his political allegiance. After backing Republicans since the 1970s and voting for Mr. Trump in 2016, he said he was leaving the party.

“We really thought we had a chance to keep it going, when we voted for Trump,” he said. “But I don’t care to listen to him anymore. All of his promises went down the drain.”

To some degree, Mr. Trump was defeated by powerful market forces, primarily, low natural gas prices that made coal a less attractive fuel for power plants and the increasing economic viability of renewable energy sources like solar and wind. The pandemic made matters worse, slowing coal sales as energy consumption in the United States dipped.

But an examination of the administration’s efforts to support coal in Arizona and elsewhere, including a review of thousands of pages of emails and other documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, also raises questions about whether the president had any realistic prospect of saving the industry or whether he mostly wanted to be seen as trying.

After all of the efforts the administration made in Mr. Trump’s first three years in office, the White House has offered no big new plans this year to keep the industry afloat, casting doubt on how much political capital he is willing to invest to protect coal jobs. The president rarely mentions it on the campaign trail.

Peter Shulman, a historian at Case Western Reserve University and the author of “Coal and Empire,” about the history of the industry, said he suspected that Mr. Trump was focused as much on coal as a convenient symbol as he was the fate of the industry.

“Trump’s pledges to coal miners were rhetorical appeals to hard-working, blue-collar Americans like when Nixon put on a hard hat after a meeting with labor union leaders back in 1970,” Mr. Shulman said. “But there was no policy Trump could have implemented that would have changed this situation with coal.”

The White House defended Mr. Trump’s record, saying he had reversed policies enacted by the Obama administration that were strangling the industry, and other officials said coal now had a better chance of remaining competitive.

“Our actions have given coal a fair chance in the future,” said Mandy Gunasekara, the Environmental Protection Agency’s chief of staff.

Since Mr. Trump was inaugurated, 145 coal-burning units at 75 power plants have been idled, eliminating 15 percent of the nation’s coal-generated capacity, enough to power about 30 million homes.

That is the fastest decline in coal-fuel capacity in any single presidential term, far greater than the rate during either of President Barack Obama’s terms. An additional 73 power plants have announced their intention to close additional coal-burning units this decade, according to a tally by the Sierra Club.

An estimated 20 percent of the power generated in the United States this year is expected to come from coal, down from 31 percent in 2017.

In part because of the coronavirus-induced recession, total coal production is expected to drop this year to 511 million tons, down from 775 million tons in 2017. That 34 percent decline is the largest four-year drop in production since at least 1932.

Far from bringing back jobs, the downturn has translated into 5,300 coal mining jobs, or nearly 10 percent, being eliminated since Mr. Trump took office.

Nationwide, 12,000 jobs were lost at fossil-fuel burning power plants in the United States in the first three years of Mr. Trump’s term, despite efforts by many coal-burning utilities, including the owner of the Navajo Generating Station, to find work for employees at other plants.

For people like Marie Justice, the former president of the United Mine Workers of America union local and a Navajo tribe member who worked for Peabody in two mines in northwestern Arizona for 31 years, the shutdowns were a betrayal.

“We were lied to,” Ms. Justice said. “Every time we turned around they kept telling us coal miners they would save our jobs. That is what we heard from Trump. But the mines keep closing.”

Arizona is now an electoral battleground for Mr. Trump. But the economic trauma from coal’s rapid collapse extends to Kentucky and other coal-mining states. After the shutdown of coal-fueled power producers like the Paradise Fossil Plant in western Kentucky, the Genesis Mine in Centertown, Ky., laid off its 250 workers in late February.

Coal’s accelerating decline has produced one of the Trump era’s most counterintuitive outcomes: Air pollution in the United States related to power production has declined rapidly despite the administration’s aggressive rollback of environmental regulations.

The amount of sulfur dioxide coming from power plants, which can cause health complications including breathing difficulties and heart disease, dropped by nearly 30 percent nationwide in the first three years of Mr. Trump’s tenure, a faster rate of decline than the first three years of Mr. Obama’s presidency. Nitrogen oxide, another hazardous pollutant, also dropped much faster than in Mr. Obama’s first three years.

Coal-fired power plants are the largest source in the United States of the carbon emissions that are responsible for climate change. Navajo Generating Station alone emitted 15 million tons of carbon dioxide a year, equal to about 3.7 million cars driven for one year.

In northwestern Arizona, the closing of the Navajo Generating Station means less haze clouding views across the Grand Canyon.

The Promise

A dozen coal miners lined up behind Mr. Trump one afternoon in March 2017 during his first visit to the headquarters of the Environmental Protection Agency. He was there for a carefully choreographed event to celebrate a profound shift in federal policy.

The Obama administration had spent eight years rolling out measures intended to curb climate change — regulatory actions that either increased the cost of operating a coal-burning power plant or restricted access to new sources of coal.

Modern mining machines used on the surface mines in the West had already drastically curbed the number of coal jobs. The fracking boom had further reduced employment by driving down the price of natural gas to a point where even newer and more efficient coal-burning power plants could not compete.

Mr. Trump had come to the E.P.A. headquarters to promise coal miners that he was going to turn back the clock.

“The miners told me about the attacks on their jobs and their livelihoods,” Mr. Trump said, moments before he signed an executive order instructing federal agencies to freeze or reverse many of the Obama-era measures. “They told me about the efforts to shut down their mines, their communities and their very way of life. I made them this promise: We will put our miners back to work.”

Among those in the audience were lobbyists and top executives from some of the country’s largest coal mining companies. Mr. Trump and Republicans had reaped millions of dollars in campaign donations from those on hand, including J. Clifford Forrest III, the chief executive of Rosebud Mining in Pennsylvania; Joseph W. Craft III of Alliance Resource Partners of Oklahoma; and Robert E. Murray, the chief executive of Murray Energy, the owner of the Genesis Mine in Kentucky.

Just days earlier, Mr. Murray had sent the White House and a number of cabinet agencies a detailed “action plan” for “getting America’s coal miners back to work.”

The members of the team Mr. Trump had assembled to carry out his plan — including Scott Pruitt, the E.P.A. administrator, and Ryan Zinke, the interior secretary — had been carefully selected.

Mr. Pruitt came from Oklahoma, where he had gained a national reputation while attorney general for defending coal and natural gas companies from the Obama-era environmental rules. His actions there included an unsuccessful lawsuit that attacked the same regulation that required the Navajo Generating Station to spend as much as $1 billion on new emissions controls.

Mr. Pruitt would also select as his chief of air pollution policy a coal-industry lawyer named William Wehrum, who had spent the past decade as a paid advocate for coal-burning power plant owners. Now he would oversee the dismantling of the coal-industry regulatory system.

Other top advisers on Mr. Pruitt’s team included Andrew Wheeler, a former coal-industry lobbyist, who would go on to replace Mr. Pruitt.

Mr. Zinke had repeatedly pressured the Interior Department while he represented Montana in the House to abandon a plan to increase royalties paid by coal companies for coal extracted from federal and Indian lands. He had also pressed federal officials to sign off on a new ship terminal in Washington State to allow a major expansion of coal exports to power plants in Asia.

“We sit on one-third of our nation’s recoverable coal reserves, which are valued at more than $1.5 trillion on the global marketplace,” Mr. Zinke wrote in a May 2015 letter to Mr. Obama’s interior secretary at the time, Sally Jewell, referring to coal reserves in Montana.

The tables had now turned. Ms. Jewell was out. And Mr. Zinke was in charge.

‘What Do We Do Now?’

At its peak in 1988, coal generated 57 percent of all of the electricity in the United States, while only 9 percent came from renewables, like solar, hydroelectric and wind.

In Arizona, coal can be credited in large part for the rise of Phoenix, now the fifth largest city in the United States. The Navajo Generating Station opened in 1974 to create the huge amount of power needed to move 1.5 million acre-feet worth of water annually from the Colorado River down along 336 miles of canals into the once-desertlike reaches of central and southern Arizona, where golf courses and grass-filled yards and parks have since bloomed.

The station, built 15 miles from where the Colorado River enters Grand Canyon National Park, dominates the community of Page. The plant’s 775-foot-tall caramel smokestacks, which are among the largest structures in Arizona, tower above everything else, including the region’s famed sandstone formations.

The mines and the power plant became the workplaces of choice for generations of local families, helping build a middle class in an otherwise poor region.

Ernest J. Whitehorse, 57, started working at the plant as a welder when he was 18. His brother Earl also worked there, as did his son Jerome who took a job in the control room. Attending a high school basketball game early this year, where one of his grandsons was on the court, Mr. Whitehorse looked out at the bleachers and counted up the many faces he knew from the plant.

When the mine and power plant closed, tens of millions of dollars’ worth of paychecks, local government tax revenues and retail sales disappeared. The plant and mine directly employed about 850 Native Americans from the area’s Navajo and Hopi tribes, paying $100 million a year in wages and benefits. Wages at the mine averaged $117,000 per employee in a community where nearly 40 percent of the population lives in poverty.

The plant and mine also made payments worth about $50 million a year to the tribes for coal royalties and other benefits, including college scholarships.

In 1920, a typical miner in the United States extracted an average of four tons of bituminous coal per day. Today in the western United States, which has the largest surface mines in the nation, that figure is about 140 tons a day.

This surge in productivity meant huge declines in jobs even when coal was the dominant source of fuel for power plants, dropping from 862,000 miners in the 1920s to 135,000 by 1990, before leveling off around 50,000 nationwide during the Obama administration.

That number dropped to 42,000 in April, as coronavirus shutdowns spread nationwide, federal data shows. The industry has started to rehire some of those workers, but employment is not expected to reach 2019 levels again, with long-term consequences for local economies built around mining and coal-burning power plants.

“What do we do now?” Mr. Whitehorse said, as he looked out at the crowd during the Page Sand Devils basketball game. “What is next? I don’t know the answer for this town.”

A Rush to Save the Plant

When the levers of power flipped in Washington on the day Mr. Trump was sworn in, there was an immediate sprint among the cabinet agencies to prove who could move the fastest to help the coal industry.

The Interior Department moved first, lifting a moratorium on new coal leases on federal lands that was imposed under Mr. Obama. Mr. Zinke, the department’s chief, also repealed a plan to increase the royalties paid for coal extracted from federal lands. And with the help of Congress, the agency nullified a rule restricting coal companies from dumping waste from coal extraction into area streams.

At the E.P.A., work began to reverse the Obama administration’s highest profile climate-change effort, called the Clean Power Plan, which was projected to cut carbon emissions from power plants by a third. Mr. Pruitt, the E.P.A. administrator, then moved to further cut costs at coal-burning power plants by delaying deadlines for a rule that required them to stop the discharge of toxic metals into rivers.

Inside both agencies, another effort got underway with a more targeted goal: saving Navajo Generating Station and the Kayenta mine.

The Interior Department’s 24 percent stake in the power plant was under the control of a federal agency called the Bureau of Reclamation, which had helped settle the West by delivering a steady supply of water.

The bureau was told by Mr. Zinke to work with the power plant, as well as with Peabody, the owner of the mine, and leaders of the Navajo and Hopi tribes to find a way to save Navajo Generating Station, known as N.G.S.

“One of interior’s top priorities has been to roll up our sleeves with diverse stakeholders in search of an economic path forward to extend N.G.S. and Kayenta mine operations after 2019,” Mr. Zinke said in a statement in 2017.

Ray Shepherd, a former House aide who had gone on to work as a lobbyist for Peabody, repeatedly intervened with officials to develop a rescue package that would include the repeal of the costly air-quality requirements.

Mr. Shepherd worked most closely with Scott Cameron, a top political appointee who then supervised the Bureau of Reclamation.

“Is Peabody eligible to take this tax credit at NGS?” Mr. Cameron wrote in an email, suggesting a tax break that the company could take on its sales to the power plant.

Yes, Mr. Shepherd responded, assuming Congress extended the tax break.

Shortly after Mr. Trump signed an executive order calling for agencies to curb regulatory costs on energy companies, Mr. Shepherd wrote again to Mr. Cameron.

“Given the President’s recent EO,” Mr. Shepherd wrote, “I wonder whether we couldn’t fashion some regulatory relief for NGS.”

Mr. Shepherd soon offered a more detailed plan. In an effort in 2014 to reduce haze that plagues the Grand Canyon, the E.P.A. adopted a rule that most likely would have required the Navajo plant to spend as much as $1 billion to install devices that curb the release of nitrogen on two of its three coal-burning units, and to shut down the third.

Eliminating that upgrade, which had been projected to avoid nearly 800 asthma attacks each year in Arizona among other more serious ailments, would make it much easier to find a new buyer who could keep the plant and coal mine in business.

“This requirement is a significant obstacle for new ownership,” Mr. Shepherd wrote.

Mr. Shepherd also pushed a top E.P.A. official, Ms. Gunasekara, the agency’s chief of staff.

“Happy to discuss further, but the key is $1 billion in value from regulatory relief,” he wrote in a May 2017 email, forwarding her a slide presentation that detailed a rescue plan.

Agency records show at least two dozen meetings or conference calls to discuss the Arizona plant, including trips to Arizona by E.P.A., Energy Department and Interior Department officials to meet with plant executives and local leaders.

Mr. Cameron made clear that he was willing to push other federal agencies to help, asking Mr. Shepherd for his “wish list” of regulatory rollbacks.

“I’ll then explore options on those items with other agencies,” he wrote to Mr. Shepherd.

In response, Mr. Cameron received a 12-item agenda titled, “Peabody/Lazard’s N.G.S. Asks,” which he passed on to his boss, James Cason, a deputy Interior Department secretary.

“Attached are what Lazard and Peabody have asked us to do, based on two very long phone calls this week,” Mr. Cameron wrote. “I think these are reasonable requests that don’t put us at risk.”

The administration then moved to grant Peabody what it wanted. Mr. Pruitt wrote a letter to Peabody’s financial adviser confirming a tactic the plant could use to avoid the $1 billion project to install new emissions controls. He called the shift “compliance flexibilities.”

Representative Paul Gosar, Republican of Arizona, also floated a plan that would have waived additional Clean Air Act requirements and exempted the plant and mine from federal environmental reviews if a new owner took over.

‘Yes to N.G.S.’

In Arizona, a campaign to save the Navajo Generating Station was funded by Peabody and other mining industry players, who formed an alliance with the Navajo tribe and the United Mine Workers union to create a movement they called “Yes to N.G.S.”

The plan was to put pressure on the Central Arizona Project — the agency that runs the canal system providing water to the region — to continue to buy power from the plant. The group would also push officials in Washington to follow through with the cost-cutting regulatory rollbacks.

But the Central Arizona Project board refused to back down, after concluding that its customers would save $14 million in 2020 alone by stopping all power purchases from the plant.

Ms. Justice, then the union president, and other miners went to Washington — with the cost covered by the coal industry, she said — seeking help from Congress.

“If these operations shut down a quarter-century before Congress intended, the impact will be devastating,” she said at a House hearing in April 2018. “For Navajo, this represents our children, our grandchildren, grandparents, aunts and uncles.”

But Nicole Horseherder, a Navajo tribe member and the leader of a local environmental group promoting a shift to solar and wind energy, was there, too, with a very different message. The coal miners and the administration were trying to hold on to a “fairy tale,” she told lawmakers.

“There is nothing that will halt the decline in coal,” she told the House committee.

Ms. Justice began to wonder if the whole pro-coal effort was a charade.

Little actual progress had been made, she said, to line up customers who wanted to buy the electricity the plant produced. “We were getting a lot of lip service, but not enough action,” she said.

She was hardly the only one doubting that the government would deliver on Mr. Trump’s promise.

Environmental groups like the Sierra Club had been pressuring officials in California and Nevada to stop buying coal-powered electricity from the Navajo station and even consider selling off stakes they owned in the plant, which Los Angeles did.

George W. Bilicic, the vice chairman of investment banking with Lazard, the firm hired by Peabody to find a buyer for the plant, also grew worried.

“There needs to be a discipline and sense of urgency applied to the process around the various sides of the octagon-shaped table,” Mr. Bilicic wrote in one email to officials at the Interior Department. “We are having lots of discussions but limited concrete progress.”

The message was becoming clear, Mr. Bilicic warned: “There are clearly, in our mind, some folks who would be quite pleased to see the plant shut-down.”

But Peabody kept pushing ahead, at least until a surprising turn: The Navajo tribe, an ally until that point, switched sides. Tribal leaders decided to embrace a new clean-energy future, in effect ending the effort to save the plant.

“Our people, our sovereignty and our right to self-determination predate the first coal seam found on Navajo, and we will endure and thrive together,” Seth Damon said in announcing the decision last year, shortly after he was elected as a new leader of the tribe.

What Happened to Paradise?

A different fight was playing out in Kentucky over the Paradise Fossil Plant, owned by the Tennessee Valley Authority, the federally chartered company created during the Great Depression to help bring jobs and electricity to much of the rural South.

By the 1960s, the T.V.A. had become the biggest consumer of coal in the United States, eventually operating 12 coal-burning plants, including Paradise, which had the largest coal-burning units in the world when it opened in 1963.

Mr. Trump sought to buttress the T.V.A.’s commitment to coal, filling four vacancies on its board with his own appointees, including Kenneth Allen of Kentucky, a former executive at Armstrong Coal, whose customers included the Paradise plant.

By the summer of 2018, the president was talking as if he had successfully completed his work in reviving the industry.

“We are back. The coal industry is back,” Mr. Trump declared to a crowd in Charleston, W.Va., including miners in their hard-hats holding signs that said “Trump Digs Coal” and “Promises Made. Promises Kept.”

But that was hardly evident in the postage-stamp-size town of Paradise, Ky., made famous by a 1971 song by the folk singer John Prine, whose family was from the area. The town of Paradise no longer really exists, except for a small cemetery that overlooks the power plant’s three giant cooling towers,

“The coal company came with the world’s largest shovel,” Mr. Prine sang about the town, adding, “Mister Peabody’s coal train has hauled it away.”

Despite Mr. Trump’s reassuring words about the industry, Bill Johnson, then the T.V.A. president, was having second thoughts about continuing to burn coal there. Paradise was built to provide so-called base load power, meaning once its coal-burning units were running, they rarely shut off. But modern power needs are increasingly cyclical, rising at one point, then dropping at others.

“To get these plants to run on Thursday, you have to start them on Tuesday,” Mr. Johnson explained to his board last year.

Natural gas prices had also fallen so low that the authority could get power cheaper from gas plants. Maintenance issues at Paradise were also causing increasingly frequent “forced outages.”

A T.V.A. staff report had concluded that if the agency closed Paradise and a second coal-burning plant it owns, its ratepayers would save $320 million by turning to cheaper, gas-fueled plants and other alternatives sources, including solar power.

Murray Energy, which operated three Kentucky coal mines that delivered more than one million tons of coal to the Paradise plant in 2018, joined with plant workers, business owners and even teachers to protest the plan

One plant employee called Mr. Johnson an “anti-coal Obama appointee.” A second said he was in “disbelief when I look at the massive number and cost of upgrades that have been done to this plant in the last couple of years, to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, and T.V.A. wants to shut us down.”

Senator Mitch McConnell, Republican of Kentucky and the majority leader, along with Kentucky’s governor at the time, Matt Bevin, and other top elected officials, joined the campaign.

“It is wonderful to imagine on a sunny day that the sun is going to power our electricity and the wind is going to blow,” Mr. Bevin said early last year during a Kentucky rally organized by the coal industry to save the plant. “But it is not real.”

For weeks, there was silence from the White House, until Mr. Trump weighed in on Twitter just after that rally.

“Coal is an important part of our electricity generation mix and @TVAnews should give serious consideration to all factors before voting to close viable power plants, like Paradise #3 in Kentucky!” Mr. Trump tweeted.

But just three days after Mr. Trump’s tweet, the T.V.A. board, including three of Mr. Trump’s four appointees, voted to shut the plant down. The T.V.A. as recently as 2007 drew 58 percent of its power from coal. As of 2020, it would be 15 percent.

“It is not about coal,” Mr. Johnson said. “It’s about keeping rates as low as feasible.”

Drifting Toward Death

“Alpha Silo Ratchet Gate Closed,” came the call on the radio from the coal unit controller at the Navajo Generating Station back in northwestern Arizona. The controller’s job was to make sure the plant had a steady supply of coal.

But this was not a normal day, according to interviews with many of those who were present and a later visit to the site. For weeks, employees had been watching as the mountainous pile of coal they keep at the site — delivered by rail cars from the Kayenta mine 78 miles away — was slowly shrinking, leaving a black-stained, muddy field. By last November, they were ready for the closing act.

“Bravo Silo Ratchet Gate Closed,” the call came back.

The act of turning coal into power is cacophonous, with high-pitched steam releases from the boiler after it heats the water to 1,001 degrees and 3,500 pounds of pressure, the deafening roar of the steam-driven turbine, and the piercing hum of the generator, a bus-size rotating electromagnet surrounded by a large coil of wires that produces the electricity.

But it all starts in the so-called firebox, where pulverized coal is blown into the boiler and ignited in a fireball more than 25 feet tall.

The firebox has seven separate levels of coal dust that can be ignited at once. So turning off the plant means carefully shutting down seven levels of fire. That is what the coal-unit controller was announcing on the radio, as he closed off the gates, starving the boiler of fuel.

In the control room was Fred Larson, who started working part time at the Navajo Generating Station when he was 22. He was now 64 and standing along with a dozen other workers as the alarms started to go crazy, warning that the plant was running out of coal.

Bells were ringing. Lights were flashing. Warnings were popping up on the computer screens, as the machinery there all but begged for more coal. Gauges measuring throttle pressure, boiler temperature, feed pump suction pressure and water flow all began to slope down.

Mr. Larson had perhaps the most important job still to do. He watched as the power output slowly dropped, as the seven levels of fires burned out one at a time, as the Navajo Generating Station drifted toward its death.

The plant was built to produce as much as 2,250 megawatts of power. It was now producing 20. Then 15. Then 10. Mr. Larson’s boss walked over and made sure he was ready.

“This is the moment you have been waiting for,” he said, which Mr. Larson thought to himself was the entirely wrong thing to say.

The power output dropped to just five megawatts and Mr. Larson reached out to put his hands on the pistol grip-shaped handle of the two main breakers that connect the power plant to the grid. At once, he flipped them both open. The plant was now offline. In fact, to keep the lights on at the plant, as well as the flashing strobes atop the exhaust stacks, the power plant started to pull electricity from the grid.

An eerie silence took over as the crew members on this last shift gathered their personal items and prepared to walk out.

On a visit early this year, the lights were still on in the plant, and the equipment was still in place, including operating manuals in the control room and the clipboard recording the final load of power.

In the room where the workers had gathered at the beginning of their daily shifts, hard hats rested atop open lockers, and leftover lunch supplies, like a jar of kosher dill pickles and a can of cannellini beans, sat inside, waiting for crews that will never return.

Three months later, in western Kentucky, Paul Stalker headed into work at the Genesis Mine on a Thursday night. Once there, he took the 45-minute shuttle ride through a tunnel for about five miles until it reached the well-lit spot, about a quarter-mile below ground.

Crews there used a machine to rip coal from the face of mine, before it was carried to a feeder that cut it up and then to the surface on a conveyor belt. It was a normal shift for Mr. Stalker, he later recounted, until the day shift supervisor showed up.

“I just heard from the surface,” said the supervisor, according to Mr. Stalker. “They said, ‘Square the unit up.’”

Mr. Stalker knew what this meant.

A notice had been sent out on the day after Christmas to all of the Genesis mine workers informing them that “there will be a mass layoff and subsequent plant closing.” It added that “this layoff will be permanent.”

Genesis had long been one of the mines that helped fuel the Paradise plant, which had shut down in early February. Having lost a major customer, a wave of coal mines were closing in Kentucky.

Squaring the unit up meant making sure there was a clean, straight line on the underground wall of coal they had just cut. The foreman wanted this last cut to be neat.

“I guess this is it then, ain’t it,” Mr. Stalker told his boss.

The night shift of about 30 men assembled in the locker room and were told to wait for a boss to come in.

“‘You guys know this has been coming,’” Mr. Stalker recalled the Murray Energy executive telling them. “‘You are the best group of men I have ever worked with. You never slowed down. But we are going to stop producing coal here. And unfortunately some of you guys are going to get laid off. It has been good working with you. You have all done a good job.’”

There was not much show of emotion, according to several of the miners there that day.

But in the employee parking lot, Mr. Stalker, 45, ran into a fellow miner, who was much newer in his career — still in his 20s. He had some advice for him.

“Man, get out of this industry,” Mr. Stalker said. “Don’t be like me, 45 years old and looking for a new industry to start out in.”

“Yeah, my dad has been telling me the same thing,” his colleague responded.

In 2017 and 2018, the Trump administration had granted Murray Energy several of the changes it had sought in the “action plan” submitted by Mr. Murray, but the power plants and mines still closed.

Murray Energy itself filed for bankruptcy, and its assets were sold last month to a new, smaller company.

Bruce Summers, 45, who has been on unemployment since the Genesis Mine closed, said he was fed up and unsure who to vote for this year.

“I did not believe in the beginning. Honestly I really didn’t,” he said. “You really can’t change what was already in motion.”

The Aftermath

On a hillside a few minutes from Peabody’s now-closed Kayenta coal mine, two new solar complexes have recently been constructed by the Navajo tribe.

They are tiny for now, generating only about 2.5 percent of the power that the Navajo plant was capable of producing. Only two people work at the Navajo solar complex, compared to the roughly 850 who worked at the power plant and coal mine.

Mr. Whitehorse, the former plant worker, said the community, and the Navajo tribe at large, would be hurt given Mr. Trump’s failure to honor his promise.

“As a community, we will suffer,” he said. “But we will get through it. We will persevere, survive, like our forefathers did.”

 

[tokamak 6,430]

Trump riding to the rescue of the coal industry was always one of the most laughable lies of the 2016 campaign. Obviously the problem was mean ol' Obama, not the fact that, you know, natural gas is just way fucking cheaper than coal and is going to stay that way for the rest of eternity.

[Tuco 5,076]

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But it all starts in the so-called firebox, where pulverized coal is blown into the boiler and ignited in a fireball more than 25 feet tall.

I freakin love coal plants.  I know: it's nerdy weirdness.  It was what I was interested in working on coming out of college in '94.  I didn't find anything at that point, but seven years later I was able to get a job in the industry.  I think I've done work in every coal plant in a 100 mile radius, and even did some preliminary design for a Peabody plant that never went.  Sure, there were always environmental concerns, but they were all concerns that could be addressed with more investments and better engineering.  The back end systems (air quality control systems) grew to the point that they were roughly the size of the main part of the plant.  But, better engineering meant less pollution, so I did not have a problem working on them.  

Now, I can't.  There is really no way to get away from the fundamental chemistry that dictates the ratio between a BTU of  energy released and the CO2 that gets released with it.  Carbon capture on the scale needed for one of these plants? It's possible, but certainly less realistic than alternative energy options.  It's too bad.  They are beautiful dinosaurs.

 

[Blotto 23,509]

Speaking of coal....not directly Trump related, but this guy is one of Trump's dick suckers, so fuck him too.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/coal-ceo-robert-murray-files-black-lung-benefits-73369580

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CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- Former coal CEO Robert E. Murray, who has fought federal regulations on the industry, has filed an application with the U.S. Department of Labor for black lung benefits, according to a published report.

West Virginia Public Broadcasting and Ohio Valley ReSource report the former head of Murray Energy said on the form that he is still board chairman of the company but can no longer serve as president and CEO due to his health.

Murray has fought federal mine safety regulations for years. His company filed an unsuccessful lawsuit in 2014 over regulations to cut the amount of coal dust in coal mines to reduce the incidence of black lung disease, saying they were overly burdensome and costly to the industry.

In the black lung claim, Murray, 80, says he is heavily dependent on oxygen and is “near death.”

 

[DDD Dad 14,339]

2 hours ago, Vito Andolini said:

I know the other thread is the hot ticket right now, but putting this quote here for posterity: 

Donald J. Trump, 10/5/2020: “Don’t be afraid of Covid.”

Holy shit.

I don't know why, but this reminds me of this scene.

 

[Vito Andolini 9,126]

26 minutes ago, Blotto said:

Speaking of coal....not directly Trump related, but this guy is one of Trump's dick suckers, so fuck him too.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/coal-ceo-robert-murray-files-black-lung-benefits-73369580

 

Any chance I can share this bit from John Oliver, I do. This episode won him the Emmy.

 

[4th&Five 41,552]

Gotta get out there and spread this deadly virus!

 

[Francisco 2.0 32,393]

Hey everyone, Bob Woodard released more audio today.

https://www.axios.com/trump-woodward-tapes-fauci-65d56832-854f-41f6-99ec-c8d4c61e1a17.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

 

Woodward excoriated Trump for suggesting that the coronavirus arrived in the U.S. in "one day," arguing that the president's refusal to meet with the nation's top infectious-diseases expert and listen to warnings from national security experts were "so irresponsible."

The exchange: 

TRUMP: "[Fauci's] sharp. And he's doing a good job. He's very dedicated."

WOODWARD: "Have you ever sat down alone with him?"

TRUMP: "Yes, I guess, but honestly, there's not a lot of time for that, Bob. It's a busy White House. This is a busy White House. We've got a lot of things happening. And then this came about. Look, we have the greatest economy on Earth. The greatest economy we've ever had. And in one day, this thing came in and we had a choice to make. Close everything up and save potentially millions of lives, you know hundreds of thousands of lives. Or don't do anything and watch, look at body bags every day being taken out of apartment buildings."

FAUCI: "Who told you that?"

TRUMP: "Me. I told me that."

[Bama Chick 28,596]

Twitter removed the dumb Team Trump ad lol.

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

There is a resemblance, somewhat.

 

[tx 3 putt 76,958]

6 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

There is a resemblance, somewhat.

 

did Il Duce also have to shoot scenes twice ???

[Captainant 27,668]

2 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

did Il Duce also have to shoot scenes twice ???

we don't have Il Duce as president, we have an ill douche

[4th&Five 41,552]

Back to the classics!

 

[Red Five 40,858]

Biden wants to execute newborn babies!! Vote!

[BradInATX 9,208]

Back to the classics!

He's going to be unhinged today and this week with the new polling showing him getting destroyed. Maybe for the next month. Shit show

 

[WhatTheBuck 28,781]

2 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Biden wants to execute newborn babies!! Vote!

Needs to be in all caps. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

I'm hedging he tweeted those himself. He always calls Warren by the nicknames. That's not like him.

[mdmost 43,001]

I guess negative ads for Biden can recommence. 

[TornACL 7,698]

3 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

did Il Duce also have to shoot scenes twice ???

I just want to know what the fuck Trump was saluting from the balcony. That was insane. 

[WhatTheBuck 28,781]

4 minutes ago, TornACL said:

I just want to know what the fuck Trump was saluting from the balcony. That was insane. 

If he "wins" reelection we will definitely see the general's jacket with fake medals. The transformation to a dictatorship will be complete. 

[SydneyCarton 48,106]

18 minutes ago, TornACL said:

I just want to know what the fuck Trump was saluting from the balcony. That was insane. 

I believe he was saluting Marine One. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

16 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

If he "wins" reelection we will definitely see the general's jacket with fake medals. The transformation to a dictatorship will be complete. 

Yeah, I was a little alarmed by Matt Gaetz saying he would never love another President again because I was like, 'wait? if the GOP pulls some stunt to wrest control, what's it going to be called?" but then I realized it was Gas Mask Gaetz and my heart rate stabilized pretty quickly.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

Every institutional check on a Trump dictatorship has failed so far, the only thing remaining is this election.  Our democracy has been ravaged by this man and his congressional co-conspirators. The response from democrats after the midterms has also been chickenshit. 

[immamac 42,850]

6 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Every institutional check on a Trump dictatorship has failed so far, the only thing remaining is this election.  Our democracy has been ravaged by this man and his congressional co-conspirators. The response from democrats after the midterms has also been chickenshit. 

This is absolutely correct. This is also the only institutional check that EVERYONE in the US who is registered to vote gets to be a part of.

Voting is ALWAYS this important. It won't just be for this election. 

[Captainant 27,668]

5 minutes ago, immamac said:

This is absolutely correct. This is also the only institutional check that EVERYONE in the US who is registered to vote gets to be a part of.

Voting is ALWAYS this important. It won't just be for this election. 

I'd like you to revisit these comments after the trump admin tries to get millions of votes thrown out or not counted.

I agree that voting is important. But the structures to count and certify those votes have been strategically and systemically eroded over the last four years. Go out and vote. But be prepared to know that it may not get counted.

[tx 3 putt 76,958]

49 minutes ago, TornACL said:

I just want to know what the fuck Trump was saluting from the balcony. That was insane. 

His legion of followers !!!!

#silentmajority 

[Lagunamadre 1,975]

Biden: "I'm removing negative ads out of respect for the President's illness" 

Trump: "Biden wants to execute newborn babies" 

[Blotto 23,509]

6 minutes ago, immamac said:

This is absolutely correct. This is also the only institutional check that EVERYONE in the US who is registered to vote gets to be a part of.

Voting is ALWAYS this important. It won't just be for this election. 

I considered starting a new thread for election fuckery, but for now I will just post this here. The election is of little value in Trump's world. He is unhinged from reality, and exhibits gross dereliction of duty  on a daily basis now. While everybody is pointing gleefully at the polling data, what does it matter? Trump owns the Senate, the SC, and the DOJ. In addition, his campaign is already batting around the idea of appointing electors to bypass election results: 

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The president is not directly elected by the people — the official votes are cast by electors on behalf of the voters in their states. Though states have historically chosen their electors by popular vote, the Constitution does not mandate that, saying only that a state shall appoint its electors "in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct."

Every state has allowed its voters to make the call in every election since the late 1800s. But in 2000, the Supreme Court held in Bush v. Gore that the states "can take back the power to appoint electors."

According to a Sept. 23 article in The Atlantic, campaign advisers to Trump, in conjunction with Republican state leaders, are preparing to test this theory. Sources in the Republican Party, at both state and national levels, say that the campaign is considering a plan to "bypass" the popular vote results and install its own electors in key battleground states where the legislatures are controlled by Republicans.

Republicans control both legislative bodies in the six closest battleground states: Arizona, Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Of those six, both Arizona and Florida have Republican governors.

Thats just one roadmap. People counting on the popular vote or even electoral vote to bail us out of  this mess will have a hell of a surprise. The people currently holding power are so far deep in this mess, they only have one option which is to keep digging. They aren't going to suddenly wake up on November 4th and develop a conscience. 

[Gatorubet 30,238]

He's going to be unhinged today and this week with the new polling showing him getting destroyed. Maybe for the next month. Shit show
 

[Brisketexan 105,139]

7 minutes ago, Blotto said:

I considered starting a new thread for election fuckery, but for now I will just post this here. The election is of little value in Trump's world. He is unhinged from reality, and exhibits gross dereliction of duty  on a daily basis now. While everybody is pointing gleefully at the polling data, what does it matter? Trump owns the Senate, the SC, and the DOJ. In addition, his campaign is already batting around the idea of appointing electors to bypass election results: 

Thats just one roadmap. People counting on the popular vote or even electoral vote to bail us out of  this mess will have a hell of a surprise. The people currently holding power are so far deep in this mess, they only have one option which is to keep digging. They aren't going to suddenly wake up on November 4th and develop a conscience. 

This.

Think of the most shameless ways that the GOP would try to steal this election.  Then realize that your imagination is pathetically limited compared to a massive criminal conspiracy.

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

Exactly. Ron DeSantis just ran over to Matt's house and put his hand over the idiot's mouth.

[Blotto 23,509]

11 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

This.

Think of the most shameless ways that the GOP would try to steal this election.  Then realize that your imagination is pathetically limited compared to a massive criminal conspiracy.

Thats what is so infuriating. I understand why most people are just riding it out until November, because they have been conditioned to believe their entire lives that they can change things with their vote, that the will of the people plays an important role in the checks and balances of our government. Until it doesn't. 

Edit - and to be honest, I'm not sure what options we really have. Its an entire dumptruck of shit wildly careening down the highway in our direction and we are hemmed in on all sides. 

Edited October 6, 2020 by Blotto

[Michael Knight 12,977]

 

[Blotto 23,509]

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Trump campaign spokesman Hogan Gidley just claimed on Fox that Trump was “alone on the balcony outside” when he was maskless.

Is that photographer rich, can she give money to his campaign or in others ways contribute to his cause? If not, fuck her, she's not a person. 

[4th&Five 41,552]

Most of his followers would love to die for him. 

[27-25 2,047]

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

Biden wants to execute newborn babies!! Vote!

Biden's new campaign poster: