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23 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

 

 

Putting these posts together suggests to me that this discussion has become assymetrical.

mdmost's post isn't the least inflammatory as far as I can judge. Immamac's initial response suggest that it so and, as such, counterproductive. The discussions drifts into a discussion of civility while still referencing mdmost's post.

I agree that we should be as civil as we can without captitulating to Trumpist GOPs and GOPs too hidebound to abandon their NFL Team political party.

I also agree with every word of mdmost's post and see it as an honest take well expressed.

I suppose a third front has opened up as well discussing the stupidity of people who refuse to recognize science regarding plague and climate. There would not even be argument if not for the willfully ignorant and profoundly selfish opposition.

Well, I didn’t really have an issue with mdmost’s post. I jumped in and was referring more to JJ’s posts, which I thought I made clear by quoting him directly. 

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1 minute ago, Continental Op said:

Small sample size, but so far we've got two "lol can't get off fossil fuel!" and one "I don't care if it's real or not."  There's no reason to bother with pleasantries with these people. 

Not a single person was hostile to the idea nor were they hostile in general. Not sure why you feel that the responses in that thread merit hostility as a default in dealing with "those people." If you find people on the opposing side to your views willing to engage in debate without hostility, then encourage the debate by avoiding using hostility. This is really where we've gone sideways as a nation. We've got to get back to being able to exchange ideas freely and without hostility looming over good faith arguments.

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12 minutes ago, Eastwood said:

Not a single person was hostile to the idea nor were they hostile in general. Not sure why you feel that the responses in that thread merit hostility as a default in dealing with "those people." If you find people on the opposing side to your views willing to engage in debate without hostility, then encourage the debate by avoiding using hostility. This is really where we've gone sideways as a nation. We've got to get back to being able to exchange ideas freely and without hostility looming over good faith arguments.

I don't think we should be hostile.  I just don't think there's any reason to kiss their ass and try to get them on board.  The default response should be "OK... we're going to do this shit to fix the problem and you can be on board or not."

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9 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

I would rather see Pence or Don Jr on top of the ticket than Hawley.  

Hawley scares me because he actually seems intelligent.  Evil geniuses are much more dangerous than evil morons.

Well at least we won't have to lament getting done in by a certified moron on the ride over to the concentration camps.

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They don't argue in good faith.

A lot of them don't, but the point was that imma would go into the Oil Baron thread and get a Trumper-like response. Several people over the years have come into the Oil Baron threads and have attempted to stir the pot by trying to "out" climate change deniers and I can't recall a single time where someone has outright denied climate change, called it a hoax, or denied the science behind it. That's because everyone in that thread is college educated, many of them having post-graduate degrees in various sciences. Most people who bring that argument receive ambivalence, at worst.

There are plenty of climate change deniers in the industry, for sure, but in my personal experience they have been the older generations (65+) and the roughnecks, neither of which are a key demographic for this website.

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45 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Well, I didn’t really have an issue with mdmost’s post. I jumped in and was referring more to JJ’s posts, which I thought I made clear by quoting him directly. 

I'm just thrilled someone finally acknowledged my intellectual fascism.  

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21 minutes ago, Eastwood said:

Not a single person was hostile to the idea nor were they hostile in general. Not sure why you feel that the responses in that thread merit hostility as a default in dealing with "those people." If you find people on the opposing side to your views willing to engage in debate without hostility, then encourage the debate by avoiding using hostility. This is really where we've gone sideways as a nation. We've got to get back to being able to exchange ideas freely and without hostility looming over good faith arguments.

There is much merit to this. I'll differ with this: 

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This is really where we've gone sideways as a nation. We've got to get back to being able to exchange ideas freely and without hostility looming over good faith arguments.

I don't know if it's uniquely American, but we do seem overprone to boil a complex problem to one issue or see things as good versus evil. In this case, I think the complex problem is oversimplified. I assume without political intent, you pretty much set up a both sides viewpoint in that "We've" got to this bad position generally as a single group. I don't believe that is accurate.

Things changed with the hate engine fueled and maintained by prejudiced media outlets and personalities. There's always been nastiness, of course. I don't know that nastiness became an organized quasi-religion where adherents are taught that their political opponents are not merely wrong but are seeking to harm this country and you!

Decades of people buying this message from the radio (Rush) then politicians (Reagan and the nasty fucks that followed), and then a TV outlet (FOX) masquerading as a news outlet got us here. I don't think that occured on both sides.

Dems are not united and organized enough to create such a hate cult. It takes homogenizing to get the congregation of one mind. There is no homegenizing the disparate groups whom the Dems must keep in tenuous coalition. 

Does it do any good to assign blame? Often, no. Most often, I choose to move towards a solution and review blame later if at all. Here, you can't address the problem without dropping the idea that all sides are equal and equally to blame. To do otherwise means equating actions on each side that are not equal. That's the heart of a the both sides fall back that the Trumpist right uses when routed from their last ditch. We're better than you. Oh, we did something terrible. Well, so do you!  So see, that makes it okay! Nyeah!

"We've got to get back." We are not collective. We have a large segment uninterested in getting back to anything other than some illusory paradise where they call all the shots. That's profoundly worse and more systemically dangerous than individual Dems calling individual GOPs or even the collect GOP idiots. In fact, merely name calling seems sort of quaint these days.

I don't know what the solution is. Dilution of the right through attrition over time? That may be it. "We" aren't going to gather to make things civil so long as a sizable plurality of "We" views the majority as anti-American, Socialist, Anarchist Police Haters who are themselves the stupid ones.

It's not the school yard. We can't just say "bygones be bygones," shake hands, and walk off arm in arm. We're on battlelines now.

The first step is averting war.

 

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44 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

I would rather see Pence or Don Jr on top of the ticket than Hawley.  

Hawley scares me because he actually seems intelligent.  Evil geniuses are much more dangerous than evil morons.

Strangely, there was no Sen. Romney.  Call me crazy but by Feb of 2024 batshit crazy won't get it done for the Repubs.  Trump will be in jail or broke or both and Kinder and Gentler (not much kindler and gentler) will be the way to reclaiming those 7 or 9 million votes they need.

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3 hours ago, immamac said:

I was simply explaining since the post started with "I never understood..." I was giving you context and not in a "you are an asshole and I am not" lecturing tone. I am definitely "an assholes like you".  Simply the fact that we all call them stupid, laugh at them for being stupid makes them crawl deeper into their sanctuary of people that tell them they aren't stupid in their echo chamber further radicalizing themselves. Does that mean we stop doing it? No, but we have to try something else in addition to it.

This has very little to do with intelligence and more to do with wanting to feel acceptance from people who don't have a high self-confidence or lack self-awareness to the point where they can't even identify the source of their frustration/sadness/anger. I'd say it has a lot more to do with being raised to not be self-sufficient than it does with overall intelligence. 

People want to feel like they belong. Belonging to "the right" is such a privilege now because if you aren't we hate you and you are the problem. It has absolutely nothing to do with policy or politics anymore, we are in a full on mental health crisis and we keep blaming intellect or lack there of on it.

Well said. Thoughtful. Nuanced. Reconciliation will be required in the Nation. 

But we are not at the reconciliation phase yet. And we have actual morons doing their best to undermine the credibility of an election and install a candidate who lost the Electoral and popular vote in a landslide. 

Until they bend the knee and stop this anti-democratic demonstration of power thievery, no quarter should be given to those seeking to install a non-elected President.

Period. 

A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship. But it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered shields, when the age of men comes crashing down. But it is not this day! This day, we fight.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Well said. Thoughtful. Nuanced. Reconciliation will be required in the Nation. 

But we are not at the reconciliation phase yet. And we have actual morons doing their best to undermine the credibility of an election and install a candidate who lost the Electoral and popular vote in a landslide. 

Until they bend the knee and stop this anti-democratic demonstration of power thievery, no quarter should be given to those seeking to install a non-elected President.

Period. 

A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship. But it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered shields, when the age of men comes crashing down. But it is not this day! This day, we fight.

Every single person who was involved in the undermining of the election this year needs to be dealt with punitively, everyone who says otherwise is just part of the cyclical problem. Just like calling them stupid isn't enough. Allowing them to rampantly undermine the fundamental system allowing America to be America should be dealt with way more than a strongly worded letter. Look, I hate the fuck out of Mitch McConnell, but you don't see his ass out there saying the president won. All he said (and I've looked for his support for Trump far and wide) is that it is his legal right to challenge these results through the proper channels. I have not once heard of him saying doing things against the will of the people such as having unfaithful electors vote for Trump. 

That's not me defending McConnell, but he's not doing treasonous bullshit.

Lindsey Graham is doing treasonous bullshit. Several other Senators are doing treasonous bullshit. They all need to be nailed to the cross and their carcasses left to show those who try to do this shit again as a warning. 

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Jesus Christ. Digs Mandingos is exactly what this country needs right now. This is the type of vision that can get this country back on track

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NRATV host Dan Bongino went on a tear Friday about the drama between Democrats and Republicans over Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, declaring: “My entire life right now is about owning the libs.” 

 

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Jesus Christ. Digs Mandingos is exactly what this country needs right now. This is the type of vision that can get this country back on track

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nratv-dan-bongino-my-life-is-all-about-owning-the-libs-now_n_5bb78317e4b0876eda9dc907

 

I thought he had windmill cancer; did he find a cure?

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17 minutes ago, immamac said:

Actually a really fucking awesome video posted by @sunset87 this is some super fucked up weird trumper shit gone awry apparently that thread isn't filled with fucking MAGA regards.

The oil barons thread is as pragmatic as they get on the internet. If you read that thread and are offended it doesn't pass some sort of liberal purity test than that is a you problem and you are not invited to my dinner party. 

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5 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

If you weren't dumb you would realize that alternative energy is energy. Then your big brain might realize that energy companies will be the leading money makers when it comes to alternative energy. Nobody else is as well-positioned to take in the dollars associated with a global energy shift as the energy companies. 

Unlike immamac I am all aboard the #MISA train. Make Ignorance Shameful Again. 

Hold up. so your 1st impression of my question is to respond with who is "dumb", when the question was pertaining to:

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 tantric superman said:

Yeah.  Kind of like some of you all felt when our country was a slave-holding country and all that emancipation bullshit was starting to gain strength.

My point is, don't paint folks with a wide brush, you don't even know me, or how I vote, or thought process... If this was realignment, sure most know my thoughts...

But alas, I am reckoning many oil & gas workers may be displaced, could they be retrained, yes, but it's still a blip on the economy's workforce... The infrastructure has to be put in place as well, in locales that plan to go "zero-emissions" in a decade or so, that might not be a quick shift in a state as Oklahoma (Texas maybe, but the state is far more advanced in having more population with well educated potential employees)...

But just my opinion, I'm not here to slam someone as being "dumb" in disagreement... We all have room to improve & find mediation on issues...

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4 hours ago, Continental Op said:

Small sample size, but so far we've got two "lol can't get off fossil fuel!" and one "I don't care if it's real or not."  There's no reason to bother with pleasantries with these people. 

This post is disingenuous at best. Posters disagreed with the 5-10 year timeframe to transition to alternatives. That’s it. There was one “don’t care if it’s real or not” post. You didn’t mention that every other person believed in climate change.

We can discuss the probabilities of it happening within 5-10 years all day. I’ve worked in O&G for 15 years. Climate change is real, and if I had a magic lever, I would transition all energy to renewables. That doesn’t mean I believe the US will be logistically capable of transitioning to renewables within 10 years. We are working on it. Energy companies are spending billions to do it. Not only because of climate change, but because it’s the right thing to do, ethically, morally, and monetarily. Clean energy is a better product than fossil energy. Period. 

Back to the overall point, I think there has to be a way to engage the other side. How to bring people together on some shares reality

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40 minutes ago, Lobo said:

So can we call the Trump biopic, "True Grift"?  The Coen Brothers could direct. 

I'm not sure that even they could manage such a veritable cavalcade of comically underprepared people and genuinely terrible individuals.

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6 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

I would rather see Pence or Don Jr on top of the ticket than Hawley.  

Hawley scares me because he actually seems intelligent.  Evil geniuses are much more dangerous than evil morons.

Here's the thing though.  Because Trump is a moron, he never let slip any sign of intellectual elitism.  

I think it's actually going to be rather difficult for someone to fully captivate the morons the way Trump did.  Because he's one of them.

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4 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Here's the thing though.  Because Trump is a moron, he never let slip any sign of intellectual elitism.  

I think it's actually going to be rather difficult for someone to fully captivate the morons the way Trump did.  Because he's one of them.

So that is what they meant when they said he is one of us?

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