Donald Trump 2020

[BrickHorn 18185]

On 12/15/2020 at 9:00 PM, 4th&Five said:

Our long national shower head nightmare is over!

 

I wanted to come back to this because, as absurd and laughable as Trump’s War on Low Shower Pressure is, I think it reveals something important about the real motivations driving Trumpism.

No, not shower pressure. Trumpists are driven by a general desire to return to some vague past state of existence that they intuitively believe is synonymous with “America.” 

When you and I think about what defines America, we might mention legal principles, economic theories, and geographic features that distinguish the US from other nations. We’re a resource rich, continental-scale nation that operates a regulated capitalist economy and is governed under a constitutional democracy that reserves certain rights for the people and the states. You might even mention our history as former native land that was colonized by European powers, won independence through war with the British, and then expanded through a series of purchases, wars, and other means of grabbing land.

But if you ask a Trumper what “America” is to them, I guarantee you’ll get a wholly different answer. They may pay lip service to vague ideas like freedom and liberty, but much of what Trumpers think is important about America are in reality just superficial details they recall from a hazy memory of the way “things used to be.” It might include things like prayer in school, standing for the anthem, unquestioned respect for cops, and people at stores saying “Merry Christmas” instead of some commie bullshit like “Happy Holidays.” And yes seemingly absurd shit like stronger water pressure and hard-flushin’ toilets and gas guzzling cars. 

If they’re honest, they might admit that America as they understand it had a lot fewer ethnic people. Those on the left have zeroed in on this as if racism was the driving animus for the majority of Trumpers. That is a mistake. Most Trumpers believe themselves to not be racist and, in many important respects, they likely are not. They may count minorities among their friends and family and might welcome members of all races into their flock with open arms.

Certainly there is a significant part of the Trump block that is overtly and unapologetically racist. And many of Trump’s policies have racist motivation or impact. But I don’t believe even the majority of Trump supporters are consciously, intentionally racist in the same way that, say, David Duke or Jared Taylor are. Some degree of casual racism is part of rank and file Trumpism, but I tend to think much of it is tied up with a general sentimentality for the good old days when you could say crass, insensitive, even racist stuff without being accused of actually being a racist. In other words, it’s just more sentimentality for the perceived “good old days.” 

Trumpers fundamentally want the world they think they used to have. Trump understands that instinctively, and he keeps finding different flavors of weird sentimental attachment to stroke. Meanwhile, we dismiss each one on its own specific merits as if it’s not part of a larger phenomenon. That’s a mistake. Low-flow shower heads, anthem kneeling, and PC culture are all just different perceived attacks on the same driving sentimentality. What we should be doing is emphasizing sentimental attachments to constructive ideas and policies from the past, which is of course difficult for progressives to do.

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

Maybe this will be the Constitutional education Donald J. Trump needs. Maybe this will be his Road to Damascus moment.... Maybe...

Oh, wait.

 

[Nivek 16843]

5 hours ago, brakeman said:

‘We want them infected’

Joseph Mengele would be proud. 

['stache 21744]

18 minutes ago, immamac said:

that's the part I didn't know. Thought if the initial vote exceeded the 2/3 in both it was veto-proof. 

The term "veto-proof" is used because it is not expected that anyone would change their vote after the veto. But it's been a while since we've had a group of absolutely spineless sycophants whose only objective is to pledge fealty to a cult-god president. Jim Inhofe in Oklahoma is chair of the armed forced committee and has been pressing passage of the bill. He's getting slammed as "deep state" by the idiots that voted for him, so I fully expect him to reverse course and change his vote after veto, because he is a gutless piece of human garbage and has fostered the cult to keep him in power.

[TwiceHorn 31240]

18 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

I wanted to come back to this because, as absurd and laughable as Trump’s War on Low Shower Pressure is, I think it reveals something important about the real motivations driving Trumpism.

No, not shower pressure. Trumpists are driven by a general desire to return to some vague past state of existence that they intuitively believe is synonymous with “America.” 

When you and I think about what defines America, we might mention legal principles, economic theories, and geographic features that distinguish the US from other nations. We’re a resource rich, continental-scale nation that operates a regulated capitalist economy and is governed under a constitutional democracy that reserves certain rights for the people and the states. You might even mention our history as former native land that was colonized by European powers, won independence through war with the British, and then expanded through a series of purchases, wars, and other means of grabbing land.

But if you ask a Trumper what “America” is to them, I guarantee you’ll get a wholly different answer. They may pay lip service to vague ideas like freedom and liberty, but much of what Trumpers think is important about America are in reality just superficial details they recall from a hazy memory of the way “things used to be.” It might include things like prayer in school, standing for the anthem, unquestioned respect for cops, and people at stores saying “Merry Christmas” instead of some commie bullshit like “Happy Holidays.” And yes seemingly absurd shit like stronger water pressure and hard-flushin’ toilets and gas guzzling cars. 

If they’re honest, they might admit that America as they understand it had a lot fewer ethnic people. Those on the left have zeroed in on this as if racism was the driving animus for the majority of Trumpers. That is a mistake. Most Trumpers believe themselves to not be racist and, in many important respects, they likely are not. They may count minorities among their friends and family and might welcome members of all races into their flock with open arms.

Certainly there is a significant part of the Trump block that is overtly and unapologetically racist. And many of Trump’s policies have racist motivation or impact. But I don’t believe even the majority of Trump supporters are consciously, intentionally racist in the same way that, say, David Duke or Jared Taylor are. Some degree of casual racism is part of rank and file Trumpism, but I tend to think much of it is tied up with a general sentimentality for the good old days when you could say crass, insensitive, even racist stuff without being accused of actually being a racist. In other words, it’s just more sentimentality for the perceived “good old days.” 

Trumpers fundamentally want the world they think they used to have. Trump understands that instinctively, and he keeps finding different flavors of weird sentimental attachment to stroke. Meanwhile, we dismiss each one on its own specific merits as if it’s not part of a larger phenomenon. That’s a mistake. Low-flow shower heads, anthem kneeling, and PC culture are all just different perceived attacks on the same driving sentimentality. What we should be doing is emphasizing sentimental attachments to constructive ideas and policies from the past, which is of course difficult for progressives to do.

Absolutely.  No water saving showerheads, toilets, or dishwashers in the Cleaver household, by God.

[Bozo_Casanova 26271]

31 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

He said he would veto, before the vote.  Can’t think of any rational reason the vote would change when it comes back after the veto. I can think of some irrational reasons though. 

Because Republicans, who almost to a man overperformed the president at the polls, are afraid he will be mean to them on twitter. 

[Brisketexan 104537]

15 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

I wanted to come back to this because, as absurd and laughable as Trump’s War on Low Shower Pressure is, I think it reveals something important about the real motivations driving Trumpism.

No, not shower pressure. Trumpists are driven by a general desire to return to some vague past state of existence that they intuitively believe is synonymous with “America.” 

When you and I think about what defines America, we might mention legal principles, economic theories, and geographic features that distinguish the US from other nations. We’re a resource rich, continental-scale nation that operates a regulated capitalist economy and is governed under a constitutional democracy that reserves certain rights for the people and the states. You might even mention our history as former native land that was colonized by European powers, won independence through war with the British, and then expanded through a series of purchases, wars, and other means of grabbing land.

But if you ask a Trumper what “America” is to them, I guarantee you’ll get a wholly different answer. They may pay lip service to vague ideas like freedom and liberty, but much of what Trumpers think is important about America are in reality just superficial details they recall from a hazy memory of the way “things used to be.” It might include things like prayer in school, standing for the anthem, unquestioned respect for cops, and people at stores saying “Merry Christmas” instead of some commie bullshit like “Happy Holidays.” And yes seemingly absurd shit like stronger water pressure and hard-flushin’ toilets and gas guzzling cars. 

If they’re honest, they might admit that America as they understand it had a lot fewer ethnic people. Those on the left have zeroed in on this as if racism was the driving animus for the majority of Trumpers. That is a mistake. Most Trumpers believe themselves to not be racist and, in many important respects, they likely are not. They may count minorities among their friends and family and might welcome members of all races into their flock with open arms.

Certainly there is a significant part of the Trump block that is overtly and unapologetically racist. And many of Trump’s policies have racist motivation or impact. But I don’t believe even the majority of Trump supporters are consciously, intentionally racist in the same way that, say, David Duke or Jared Taylor are. Some degree of casual racism is part of rank and file Trumpism, but I tend to think much of it is tied up with a general sentimentality for the good old days when you could say crass, insensitive, even racist stuff without being accused of actually being a racist. In other words, it’s just more sentimentality for the perceived “good old days.” 

Trumpers fundamentally want the world they think they used to have. Trump understands that instinctively, and he keeps finding different flavors of weird sentimental attachment to stroke. Meanwhile, we dismiss each one on its own specific merits as if it’s not part of a larger phenomenon. That’s a mistake. Low-flow shower heads, anthem kneeling, and PC culture are all just different perceived attacks on the same driving sentimentality. What we should be doing is emphasizing sentimental attachments to constructive ideas and policies from the past, which is of course difficult for progressives to do.

Good post.

It's interesting, we've had a lot of "yeah.....things were different back when we were kids" conversation with our own young adult kids.  Like watching movies we loved from the 80s, and having to cringe and say "yeah.....that was pretty racist.  Yeah.....the character hooking up with the unconscious girl....that's rape."  Or simple things, like explaining that I helped my dad change the oil on our cars, and my job was to take the oil pan into the open land behind our house and dump it.  Like everyone smoking, everywhere, all the time.  Bike helmets didn't really exist.  And on and on.

Kind of appalling, but definitely a different, "free-er" America.  For better, AND for worse.  Longing for something that we paint with nostalgia is rarely a smart thing.  Shit, Sixteen Candles was on the other night.  A sweet, innocent classic of the 80s...that was HORRIBLY racist with respect to the chinese character, and celebrated Farmer Ted date raping the wildly intoxicated prom queen (but hey, she decided she liked it, so all is good).  Both elements were completely cringey.  But there's definitely a strain of American culture that MISSES the fact that you usedta be able to "call a chink a chink" for laughs, and who HASN'T molested a drunk chick, that's just the way things are with boys and girls!

[Brisketexan 104537]

3 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Because Republicans, who almost to a man overperformed the president at the polls, are afraid he will be mean to them on twitter. 

1 -- they are right.

2 -- it will hurt them.  Yes, even though they outperformed him.  If he targets them, it will cost them votes.

[Beau Vine 53978]

1 hour ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Unfortunately, I don't have to imagine it.  I live too close to College Station.  I see them all the time.

We all live too close to College Station.  When I lived in Honolulu, I was living too close to College Station.

[Pato del Muerto 52336]

7 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Because Republicans, who almost to a man overperformed the president at the polls, are afraid he will be mean to them on twitter. 

No they are afraid they won’t get re-elected in 2 years if they don’t do what he wants. Or they get threatened, or bribed. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26271]

6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

1 -- they are right.

2 -- it will hurt them.  Yes, even though they outperformed him.  If he targets them, it will cost them votes.

Actually, it is true. I pointed this out elsewhere, but what they know is that while Trump costs himself himself soft R base voters, the vote for the downballot and Trump brings them the crazies. And Base R voters + crazies are a majority in a lot of places. Base R voters without the crazies are not. 
What we don't know - whether the crazies will go back in their dens without a Trump on the ballot in 2022

Edited December 17, 2020 by Bozo_Casanova

[Pato del Muerto 52336]

6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Good post.

It's interesting, we've had a lot of "yeah.....things were different back when we were kids" conversation with our own young adult kids.  Like watching movies we loved from the 80s, and having to cringe and say "yeah.....that was pretty racist.  Yeah.....the character hooking up with the unconscious girl....that's rape."  Or simple things, like explaining that I helped my dad change the oil on our cars, and my job was to take the oil pan into the open land behind our house and dump it.  Like everyone smoking, everywhere, all the time.  Bike helmets didn't really exist.  And on and on.

Kind of appalling, but definitely a different, "free-er" America.  For better, AND for worse.  Longing for something that we paint with nostalgia is rarely a smart thing.  Shit, Sixteen Candles was on the other night.  A sweet, innocent classic of the 80s...that was HORRIBLY racist with respect to the chinese character, and celebrated Farmer Ted date raping the wildly intoxicated prom queen (but hey, she decided she liked it, so all is good).  Both elements were completely cringey.  But there's definitely a strain of American culture that MISSES the fact that you usedta be able to "call a chink a chink" for laughs, and who HASN'T molested a drunk chick, that's just the way things are with boys and girls!

Remember the end of revenge of the nerds when he fucks her with the mask on because she thinks he’s her boyfriend?  And then she likes it so it’s ok?

[Brisketexan 104537]

5 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Remember the end of revenge of the nerds when he fucks her with the mask on because she thinks he’s her boyfriend?  And then she likes it so it’s ok?

Yep, that one came up as well -- oh, rape by deception!  What a hilarious gag!  But it was okay, because they actually fell in love.  Because her rapist was really good at fucking, so they fell in love.  Oh, the cringing.

[DigglerontheHoof 21044]

Hey, they weren't all rapey.  Larry Kroger didn't date rape his drunk date at the toga party, he dropped her at her house in a grocery cart, he waited til the end of the movie and had consensual sex with her at the end....after he found out she was only 13....oh, wait, nevermind. 

['stache 21744]

Wasn't Brooke Shields naked while underage in a movie that today would be child porn?

[Longhorn_Fan68 33831]

1 minute ago, 'stache said:

Wasn't Brooke Shields naked while underage in a movie that today would be child porn?

Blue Lagoon

['stache 21744]

3 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

Blue Lagoon

Apparently the nude scenes weren't her. From wiki:

Shields was 14 years of age when she appeared in the film.^[4] All of her nude scenes were performed by the film's 32-year-old stunt coordinator, Kathy Troutt.^[5] Shields did many of her topless scenes with her hair glued to her breasts.^[6][7] Atkins was 18 when the movie was filmed, and he performed his own nude scenes (which included brief frontal nudity).^[8][9][10]

[Pato del Muerto 52336]

4 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Wasn't Brooke Shields naked while underage in a movie that today would be child porn?

I don’t know the rules of underage nudity. There’s that, there’s the actress from the old Romeo and Juliet that still gets shown in high schools, more recently theres thora birch from American beauty.  Movies seem to have different rules, and parental waivers th at somehow work. 

[closetohumping 17386]

How’s it going guys?   Should we change the thread title to trump 2024?

[Woland 729]

6 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

How’s it going guys?   Should we change the thread title to trump 2024?

I want to banish the the name "Trump" from my life. I don't want to see it anymore. How about "He Who Must Not Be Named 2024".

Edited December 17, 2020 by Woland

[washparkhorn 9934]

3 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

How’s it going guys?   Should we change the thread title to trump 2024?

 

[Neonmoon 38127]

This seems like it should be a bigger story

 

 

[Red Five 40627]

28 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

there’s the actress from the old Romeo and Juliet that still gets shown in high schools

That was quite the surprise in freshman English. 

As was the full bush shot in 1984 in sophomore English.

[Biff Tannen 45491]

5 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

This seems like it should be a bigger story

 

 

I'd rather it just all end without me knowing beforehand.

[Native Horn 3485]

32 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

This seems like it should be a bigger story

 

 

This is fine.gif

[4th&Five 41457]

The actual news sites should write their headlines like RS. 

 

[Blotto 23424]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

This seems like it should be a bigger story

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Native Horn said:

This is fine.gif

It was his department after all. Too bad we can no longer tap his keen intellect to help guide us through these turbulent times. 

[washparkhorn 9934]

45 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

This seems like it should be a bigger story

 

 

41 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I'd rather it just all end without me knowing beforehand.

I hope they took the things  we wanted them to take. Should set them back 40 years.  ~ U.S. Counter-Intelligence

Edited December 17, 2020 by washparkhorn

[Dirk X West 772]

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

Apparently the nude scenes weren't her. From wiki:

Shields was 14 years of age when she appeared in the film.^[4] All of her nude scenes were performed by the film's 32-year-old stunt coordinator, Kathy Troutt.^[5] Shields did many of her topless scenes with her hair glued to her breasts.^[6][7] Atkins was 18 when the movie was filmed, and he performed his own nude scenes (which included brief frontal nudity).^[8][9][10]

Thanks for ruining it for me.

[TexasEd 8064]

15 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Go to the link. Please. It's beautiful.

 

 

HAHAHAHAHA. It took me a minute for the penny to drop. Grift shop. I'm dyiiiiiing.

I know I'm late but this is glorious.  I've been saying the Trump library would be a gift shop for months.  Wish I had thought of Grift Shop.

[staboner 4956]

man this page makes me feel like i've been missing out on all the rapin. i've been doing it all wrong. this whole fucking time. 

[staboner 4956]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

This seems like it should be a bigger story

 

 

[staboner 4956]

2 hours ago, BrickHorn said:

I wanted to come back to this because, as absurd and laughable as Trump’s War on Low Shower Pressure is, I think it reveals something important about the real motivations driving Trumpism.

No, not shower pressure. Trumpists are driven by a general desire to return to some vague past state of existence that they intuitively believe is synonymous with “America.” 

When you and I think about what defines America, we might mention legal principles, economic theories, and geographic features that distinguish the US from other nations. We’re a resource rich, continental-scale nation that operates a regulated capitalist economy and is governed under a constitutional democracy that reserves certain rights for the people and the states. You might even mention our history as former native land that was colonized by European powers, won independence through war with the British, and then expanded through a series of purchases, wars, and other means of grabbing land.

But if you ask a Trumper what “America” is to them, I guarantee you’ll get a wholly different answer. They may pay lip service to vague ideas like freedom and liberty, but much of what Trumpers think is important about America are in reality just superficial details they recall from a hazy memory of the way “things used to be.” It might include things like prayer in school, standing for the anthem, unquestioned respect for cops, and people at stores saying “Merry Christmas” instead of some commie bullshit like “Happy Holidays.” And yes seemingly absurd shit like stronger water pressure and hard-flushin’ toilets and gas guzzling cars. 

If they’re honest, they might admit that America as they understand it had a lot fewer ethnic people. Those on the left have zeroed in on this as if racism was the driving animus for the majority of Trumpers. That is a mistake. Most Trumpers believe themselves to not be racist and, in many important respects, they likely are not. They may count minorities among their friends and family and might welcome members of all races into their flock with open arms.

Certainly there is a significant part of the Trump block that is overtly and unapologetically racist. And many of Trump’s policies have racist motivation or impact. But I don’t believe even the majority of Trump supporters are consciously, intentionally racist in the same way that, say, David Duke or Jared Taylor are. Some degree of casual racism is part of rank and file Trumpism, but I tend to think much of it is tied up with a general sentimentality for the good old days when you could say crass, insensitive, even racist stuff without being accused of actually being a racist. In other words, it’s just more sentimentality for the perceived “good old days.” 

Trumpers fundamentally want the world they think they used to have. Trump understands that instinctively, and he keeps finding different flavors of weird sentimental attachment to stroke. Meanwhile, we dismiss each one on its own specific merits as if it’s not part of a larger phenomenon. That’s a mistake. Low-flow shower heads, anthem kneeling, and PC culture are all just different perceived attacks on the same driving sentimentality. What we should be doing is emphasizing sentimental attachments to constructive ideas and policies from the past, which is of course difficult for progressives to do.

a whole buncha this for sure. last sentence stings so true no doubt. 

internet. loss of world view. loss of essence. i just personally am grateful to have interpreted these feelings correctly

 

Edited December 17, 2020 by staboner

[seven 1366]

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

Wasn't Brooke Shields naked while underage in a movie that today would be child porn?

Pretty Baby with Susan surandan (?). Shields plays a tween whore and has multiple naked scenes. Used to play on one of the the movie channels a lot when I was around the same age.... 

[Biff Tannen 45491]

6 minutes ago, staboner said:

a whole buncha this for sure. last sentence stings no true no doubt. 

internet. loss of world view. loss of essence. i just personally am grateful to have interpreted these feelings correctly

 

The last sentence is saying we should be espousing FDR-like proposals, which I fully agree with, but would be met with immediate cries of lunacy from the right.  They do not want that.  They don't want anything.  They just want grievance and obstruction.  Kinda hard to run a government that way.

[staboner 4956]

4 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

The last sentence is saying we should be espousing FDR-like proposals, which I fully agree with, but would be met with immediate cries of lunacy from the right.  They do not want that.  They don't want anything.  They just want grievance and obstruction.  Kinda hard to run a government that way.

for sure. conservative has turned into go backwards, as we all know. once i interpreted those feelings correctly I managed to get some sanity back actually. 

not sure what the bottom is but surely it will take a few more cataclysmic events like covid to get there. sadly. until then its watching rust colored paint dry. 

no nuke friday kicking off over here friends. ya'll be cool. and lets hope whoever hacked the nukes doesn't have thumbs (or maybe does?) fuck I don't know man. 

 

[jimmyjazz 45538]

3 hours ago, 'stache said:

 

This. They can vote for the bill but vote against overriding a veto. I expect enough gutless pieces of shit to do so because trumps mushroom cock is so far up their ass their voters would put them on the "deep state" assassination list.

So, like an inch?

[jimmyjazz 45538]

For years I've been saying that the main driver behind conservative bigotry isn't racism, but race.  Many are racist, but all of them are secretly terrified that white America will soon no longer represent the majority.

[Brisketexan 104537]

2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

For years I've been saying that the main driver behind conservative bigotry isn't racism, but race.  Many are racist, but all of them are secretly terrified that white America will soon no longer represent the majority.

....followed by an undefined, amorphous, and likely unacknowledged fear that when minorities are in charge, they'll treat white people as shitty as white people have treated minorities.

[DonkeyCigars 144]

6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

For years I've been saying that the main driver behind conservative bigotry isn't racism, but race.  Many are racist, but all of them are secretly terrified that white America will soon no longer represent the majority.

Assuming your hypothesis is correct (I'm not saying it's not), then I would think the next logical question is "why is that? why are they afraid that white people will no longer be the majority?"

Is it because if they aren't the majority, then that means they will likely at some point lose the ability to influence and set agendas and strategy? Does that mean that then they will lose privilege? Is it a view that something intangible is being taken from them and their happy path just got more difficult, even if by degrees at first?

Or do you think it's because they know that they've been shoveling crap on non-whites and that they fear they're going to be retaliated against?

Reminds me of the CK Louis skit where he says "Being white is clearly better, but you best believe we are going to pay for it one day!"

Edited December 17, 2020 by DonkeyCigars

[DonkeyCigars 144]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

....followed by an undefined, amorphous, and likely unacknowledged fear that when minorities are in charge, they'll treat white people as shitty as white people have treated minorities.

you beat me to it.

But is it really a fair or reasonable fear, is the question?

[SydneyCarton 47836]

3 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

you beat me to it.

But is it really a fair or reasonable fear, is the question?

I don’t know. Why don’t you ask the women of the democratic countries of the Middle East in the 60s whether it was reasonable they’d ever have their right to drive and wear something other than full body garments revoked?

[Guest Lobo]

White people, not mixed but mostly white (we can get into a 23-and-me another time, most white people are maybe 80-90% 'White' by genetics), are a curious persuasion to me.  As stated above, it's not so much about racism, as just their racial station. 

The Trumper Whites want back what they think was once theirs, but it's confusing because so many of them didn't actually live through the good 'White' times.  60 years ago, you could literally stumble into a decent paying job, get a decent home, marry a decent looking woman, have a bunch of kids, maybe send 1 or 2 of 'em to college, vacation regularly, and retire okay.  All because you were white, could read and write, and didn't commit that many felonies.  But only a small percentage of his voters remember those times, and even fewer than those actually lived/worked through them.  The rest of his base only remembers this nostalgia from movies (they sure as shit don't read mid-century contemplative fiction).  So why do they feel so entitled?  I look around at them and I see uneducated, non self-starters, who are married to fat women, who the economy has passed by, with stupid kids, low financial literacy, and they are full of rage and resentment.  And the only common denominator they have is they are all White and they are all-in for Trump.  No matter who is president from Reagan to Clinton to Bush to Obama to Trump.  These tens of millions who form the Trump base will always be at the bottom in most metrics because of White Complacency.  There was a time they could have skipped the line simply for their skin color.  It wasn't right, but it was the case.  But most of them don't never lived through that time, at least not as working adults.  So where'd they get the notion? The sense of entitlement?  It was in their blood long before Trump?  Who conned them into it?  Trump was just the last guy to walk into the skim, he didn't stage the room.  

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Are we talking about white genocide?

[jimmyjazz 45538]

4 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

Assuming your hypothesis is correct (I'm not saying it's not), then I would think the next logical question is "why is that? why are they afraid that white people will no longer be the majority?"

I'm sure the answer varies from person to person, but when it comes right down to it, a person who enjoys privilege is likely to be concerned with the potential loss of that privilege.

For me, the classic upper middle class white American male, I know I have benefited greatly because of my race and gender, but I have also done the work to put myself in a position where losing that privilege won't really affect my ability to earn a living or live in peace and comfort.   Privilege was partially responsible for that opportunity, but I did capitalize on it.  Had I been a black female born into poverty, I probably wouldn't have even had the chance.  At least I see the dichotomy.  A lot of white Americans don't.  They have a nagging sense that their privilege MAINTAINS their station in life, and if they lose it, they could be fucked.

And, some are just racist pigs.

[DonkeyCigars 144]

2 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I don’t know. Why don’t you ask the women of the democratic countries of the Middle East in the 60s whether it was reasonable they’d ever have their right to drive and wear something other than full body garments revoked?

I don't follow you here, I'm sorry.

The question was, based off my last post and Brisket's input, which he beat me to, is the idea that white people should have something to fear once they are in the minority that they will be levied some degree of payback by the now majority who they once treated unequally (or outright mistreated, depending on the color of the skin)? Is it a fair and reasonable fear to have? Is retaliation appropriate? Economically or otherwise?

Genuinely curious because I think that could be some of the thinking there. It's not wholly unlike Reconstruction after the Civil War and I've heard differing opinions on it being a failure (should have came down harder and more punitive) and it being what salved and saved the union post war.

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4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm sure the answer varies from person to person, but when it comes right down to it, a person who enjoys privilege is likely to be concerned with the potential loss of that privilege.

For me, the classic upper middle class white American male, I know I have benefited greatly because of my race and gender, but I have also done the work to put myself in a position where losing that privilege won't really affect my ability to earn a living or live in peace and comfort.   Privilege was partially responsible for that opportunity, but I did capitalize on it.  Had I been a black female born into poverty, I probably wouldn't have even had the chance.  At least I see the dichotomy.  A lot of white Americans don't.  They have a nagging sense that their privilege MAINTAINS their station in life, and if they lose it, they could be fucked.

And, some are just racist pigs.

Ditto this.  I'm in this same situation, but I have no qualms about "losing" that privilege.  It's the right thing to fucking do.

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm sure the answer varies from person to person, but when it comes right down to it, a person who enjoys privilege is likely to be concerned with the potential loss of that privilege.

For me, the classic upper middle class white American male, I know I have benefited greatly because of my race and gender, but I have also done the work to put myself in a position where losing that privilege won't really affect my ability to earn a living or live in peace and comfort.   Privilege was partially responsible for that opportunity, but I did capitalize on it.  Had I been a black female born into poverty, I probably wouldn't have even had the chance.  At least I see the dichotomy.  A lot of white Americans don't.  They have a nagging sense that their privilege MAINTAINS their station in life, and if they lose it, they could be fucked.

And, some are just racist pigs.

Thanks for the thoughtful response. 

I mostly agree and relate to you in the background and in privilege. That's an interesting second-to-last sentence and maybe the driver of a lot of angst that I hadn't thought about.

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7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Are we talking about white genocide?

More like the subtle shift in power that turns “I think I’d rather give this job to a white person” to “I think I’d rather give this job to a poc” and similar. To be on the wrong side of privilege. 

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Just now, Biff Tannen said:

Ditto this.  I'm in this same situation, but I have no qualms about "losing" that privilege.  It's the right thing to fucking do.

Same. But if we are honest, is this because we've already utilized and consumed the privilege so now it's okay if we dispense with it because we are old, fat and comfortable? 

Would you feel the same way if you were still a work-in-progress?