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Let me be candid and honest here my man. I cannot be sympathetic to your comments because this is how adult life has always been. From the moment I stepped out of my home and headed off to college I h

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it won't matter if his taxes ever come out.  it won't matter if his taxes don't ever come out.  you wanna know why?  because we already know what's in them. since early 2017 when people starting

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13 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

"Trump is a mirror that reflects the ugliest face of the American character; greedy, selfish, dismissive of sacrifice, jealous of accomplishment, a braggart without cause, contemptuous of suffering, gleefully cruel, devoid of decency, incapable and unworthy of respect."  ----- A. Whitney Brown

Outstanding quote.  It accounts for the fact that American character - human character - is inclusive of all those facets as a part of our nature.

Trump channels and amplifies our worst potentials. On a bad day, all of us can look personality disordered.  Trump makes it a regular state of mind.  Get rid of the piece of shit and our strengths and healthier attributes will start to get reasserted.  But Trump isn’t the beginning or end of it. The potential for the bad shit to resurface isn’t ever going away, and that’s fine.

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1 minute ago, tantric superman said:

Intuitively, it seems to me that slapping Trump on the wrist for .1% of his tweets gives just a bit more credence to the other 99.9%.

To the extent that there is anyone in this country who either 1) is drinking Trump koolaid or 2) hates Trump.

I'd agree, if they don't consistently apply their new standards going forward. If they do, then it's easy enough for them to just say that they didn't do it sooner because they were still developing the technical capability.

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1 minute ago, tantric superman said:

Intuitively, it seems to me that slapping Trump on the wrist for .1% of his tweets gives just a bit more credence to the other 99.9%.

To the extent that there is anyone in this country who either 1) is drinking Trump koolaid or 2) hates Trump.



Intuitively, anything that drives Trump into having a conniption fit and therefore stroking out seems like a good thing.  This madness is hurting too many people.  

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I'd agree, if they don't consistently apply their new standards going forward. If they do, then it's easy enough for them to just say that they didn't do it sooner because they were still developing the technical capability.

 

I think Twitter should simply not allow politicians to Tweet.  That is to say if you are an elected official you'll have to reach your constituents via your website,  mail, TV etc...  One problem solved. 

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I find it funny that Trump has backed down somewhat against Twitter. Sure he's arguing that Twitter is taking away his free speech (they're not and it's impossible for them to do so) BUT he hasn't said anything again about violence.

It's very possible that they issued Trump a warning that another violence tweet will result in a suspension. He knows that a public time-out for the POTUS would be extremely embarrassing.

 

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Rick Wilson lays it all out for Twitter.  

https://www.thedailybeast.com/twitter-boss-finds-the-balls-to-call-out-trumps-race-war-tweetbut-this-is-just-the-beginning?ref=home

 

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In the wake of Trump’s batshit executive order on social media, it looked as if Twitter was about to get fucked and fucked hard by Donald Trump. 

The platform‘s decision early Friday morning to conceal a Trump tweet for “glorifying violence” — so that users had to see that disclaimer first, and then click through to see the tweet itself — was stunning, and suggested that they just might be willing to fuck him right back. Trump’s tweet, quoting an infamous 1967 threat from then-Miami-Dade County Sheriff Walter Headley about how “When the looting starts, the shooting starts” — a threat that was aimed specifically at black teenagers — represented a new low even for President Good People On Both Sides. 

 

 

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Trump’s eagerness to call out the troops, guns blazing, marked one hell of an escalation in the Social Media Wars—with the president deliberately provoking not only corporate Twitter, but America. The echoes of Richard Nixon’s Roger Ailes-inspired 1968 “law and order” play are loud, and sharp, and this time Trump will try to litigate them on Jack Dorsey’s platform. That means Donald has to play by Jack’s rules, if Jack keeps enforcing them.

I know I should couch all this in some McKinsey-speak or Valley-slang. It might be more understandable to the Twitter board if I talked about the company "entering a business phase in which it will face significant challenges from political externalities that could not have been anticipated," but that's insufficient for the fucking Trump has in store for Twitter and his plan to use the platform as a vector for an incendiary, racially charged culture-war political play.

 

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A president completely out of control, abusing government power to achieve his political ends and desperate to prevent any check on his colossal Niagara Falls of bullshit, is about to make Twitter an object lesson, the first trophy in Trump's expanding war against free speech. 

Trump sees a soft, easy target and, like all predators, moves in. Like Roy Moore in a Build-A-Bear store, Trump has a lot of victims to choose from, but Twitter, his favorite platform, has attracted the president's particular ire. 

 

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They evoked Trump's rage not by censoring him, even though Trump — particularly in the past weeks — has pushed outrageous lies and vile claims that nakedly violate the site's terms of service.  What he does with predictable, shitty frequency would get any ordinary user booted from the platform. No, what sent Trump into a spiral of spittle-flecked fury was Twitter's placing anodyne fact-checks below some of his more nakedly dishonest and inaccurate tweets, with spittle-flecked racing about how mail-in voting would usher in widespread fraud. 

As a President who relied on disinformation to attain and hold power, those neutral fact checks set off more governmental action in a month than anyone could have imagined, given Trump's laconic response to the first two months of the COVID-19 pandemic.

And his supporters are cheering. There's a significant subset of the Trumpiverse—incel bloggers, social media "stars," wannabe Fox News contributors, and writers of tiresome "but duh librul media" jeremiads at dead-ender shitholes like Breitbart— that now blames Twitter for their woes. 

It strikes them as inconceivable that their tendentious, bad, stupid, racist, hateful, shitbird content isn't gaining traction. Instead, there must be some evil libtard algorithm or Soros-funded AI on the social media platforms suppressing their lambent wit and compelling genius.

Many of them would have been in the streets with torches and pitchforks if Obama had signed an executive order threatening social media companies if they try to police misinformation. But with Trump it's so much less Kenyan Muslim Socialist Soros Sleeper Agent, so we're all good. What would have been an outrage is now a delight. "Wildly expand executive power to own the libs!"

The bullshit lies of the Tea Party Era GOP are shattered now, gone entirely. 

Free markets? Hayek, please. 

Markets and companies are only free as long as they're on the Dear Leader's Good List. I could start a company tomorrow called We Shred Live Babies In A Rusty Meat Grinder And Feed The Sausage To Stray Dogs, Inc. and if the corporate Twitter feed said the right MAGA claptrap and the check to Trump's campaign cleared, we'd be fine. 

Spare me your "Only Trump will protect our economic freedumb" line: this is a president who seeks to use the power of the regulatory state (which I was told was a Very Bad Thing during the Clinton and Obama years) to break corporations to his political will.

Of the moribund strict constitutionalist wing of the GOP, the less said the better. Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Mike Lee and others who raced to the microphones at the slightest hit of Obama overstepping the lines were damn quiet as Trump wildly colored outside the lines of any rational version of executive power.

On the legislative side, Trump has a handful of nationalist-socialist — I mean, nationalist-populist, sorry — types like Josh Hawley, Marsha Blackburn, and Tom Cotton who have decided that they're the chosen ones to make Big Government work for conservatism, because what could ever go wrong?

This cohort's eagerness to push something legislative that Trump can wield in his war on non-compliant social media companies is unseemly, and of course, getting wall-to-wall glowing coverage on Fox. Fortunately, their proposals have a 0.00001 chance of moving in the House before the sun cools to a dark cinder, and Mitch McConnell's control of the Senate isn't precisely rock-solid right now. 

It's why Trump will move fast, with hatchetman Bill Barr and the regulatory state backing his play, to make an example of Twitter. Executive power abuses backed up by an attorney general who could care less about the law are a virus for which Washington and corporate America have no antibodies.

Unless Dorsey and his company learn to fight back, and fast, they will go down as the tech bros who first empowered, then placated, and finally were destroyed by Donald Trump. 

Jack, you don't strike me as a guy who's been in a lot of bar fights, but brother, you're in one now. This executive order isn't just Trump being Trump or simply bullshitting his base. No, it's vastly more than that. No bully — and Trump is the apotheosis of every bully, ever — is every satisfied with just one day's worth of your lunch money. No bully ever turns down a free shot when his posse pins back your arms.

Take this lying down, give in one inch to his threats, and he will never stop coming at you. This is the lesson of all bullies: Punch back. Defy them. Get back on your feet and never, ever give an inch. Throw armies of litigators at the problem. Suspend his ass for a couple days and watch him screech. 

You’re still a private platform. He still signed your terms of service and president or no, he’s bound by those rules. Trust me, he’s a man who has tied up more than a few people with NDAs and contracts; he’ll get that you have his tweets in a vice. Add more features and warnings to his lies. He’s a coward and a thug; hit back. Say it with me; “Fuck me? No, fuck you, Mr. President.”

Jack, you might have seen this trend on your site from time to time; Everything Trump Touches Dies. #ETTD isn't just a hashtag; it's a cautionary tale. 

Trump won't be satisfied with merely avoiding scrutiny of his mendacious tweet vomit. He'll want more, and take more, until you have nothing left to give. 

 

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What the fuck is Trump tweeting Polk slogans for?  Coronavirus and Minnesota is on fire, and this guy wants to re-annex Oregon?  

I'm okay with him wanting to emulate Polk though.  Polk only served one term (though it was planned) and he died just shortly after leaving office.  

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What the fuck is Trump tweeting Polk slogans for?  Coronavirus and Minnesota is on fire, and this guy wants to re-annex Oregon?  

I'm okay with him wanting to emulate Polk though.  Polk only served one term (though it was planned) and he died just shortly after leaving office.  

It's the satire site, dude.  He didn't post that.

I mean, I know we live in a post-satire world, but still.

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Shit, my bad.  I'm not on twitter.  I see a cut-n-paste of his name on a tweet, I just assume it's him.  I'm beyond trying to decipher what the hell he's talking about most of the time and I only see a handful of his tweets/retweets.  I can't imagine how insane it is for those that follow him regularly and get his dozens per day teetering on the lamentations of the borderline insane.  

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5 minutes ago, Lobo said:

What the fuck is Trump tweeting Polk slogans for?  Coronavirus and Minnesota is on fire, and this guy wants to re-annex Oregon?  

I'm okay with him wanting to emulate Polk though.  Polk only served one term (though it was planned) and he died just shortly after leaving office.  

Pretty sure that's a fake tweet.

Trump has no idea there was ever a President named Polk, or what 54 40 or fight represented.

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NPR was talking about Section 230 and how it's repeal would change the internet forver. They said it protected websites (like Surly) from getting sued over copyrighted material. I hope we don't have to build a Surly warchest for lawsuits over Seinfeld gifs...

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8 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

NPR was talking about Section 230 and how it's repeal would change the internet forver. They said it protected websites (like Surly) from getting sued over copyrighted material. I hope we don't have to build a Surly warchest for lawsuits over Seinfeld gifs...

It would seem both presidential candidate want 230 repealed. I don't see how it lasts.

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7 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

NPR was talking about Section 230 and how it's repeal would change the internet forver. They said it protected websites (like Surly) from getting sued over copyrighted material. I hope we don't have to build a Surly warchest for lawsuits over Seinfeld gifs...

Not just copyrighted material, all content.  It absolved the site owner from being responsible for anything that got posted to a website from a third party.  If they rescind or alter 230 it will effectively break the internet as we know it.  

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Not just copyrighted material, all content.  It absolved the site owner from being responsible for anything that got posted to a website from a third party.  If they rescind or alter 230 it will effectively break the internet as we know it.  

I was told that only Kardashian silicone donkey ass breaks the internet.

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15 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

NPR was talking about Section 230 and how it's repeal would change the internet forver. They said it protected websites (like Surly) from getting sued over copyrighted material. I hope we don't have to build a Surly warchest for lawsuits over Seinfeld gifs...

This would destroy most of my posts.

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19 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

NPR was talking about Section 230 and how it's repeal would change the internet forver. They said it protected websites (like Surly) from getting sued over copyrighted material. I hope we don't have to build a Surly warchest for lawsuits over Seinfeld gifs...

For sites like surly, can't that be solved by hosting sites offshore?  Or will a great firewall of America also come into play?

Attacking Twitter and Facebook is a bad move for Trump.  His voters are technological ground sloths who are the last to move to new platforms.  He needs to feed them disinformation where they already are.

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48 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

Wait, I don't see anything about shooting people. I thought that was obligatory in tweets written by Presidents. I haz confused. 

It seems like it was 30 1/2 years ago that this man was the President, not 3 1/2 years ago.  We have gone from apples to oranges.  Damn.

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1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Rick Wilson lays it all out for Twitter.  

https://www.thedailybeast.com/twitter-boss-finds-the-balls-to-call-out-trumps-race-war-tweetbut-this-is-just-the-beginning?ref=home

 

 

 

 

 

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They evoked Trump's rage not by censoring him, even though Trump — particularly in the past weeks — has pushed outrageous lies and vile claims that nakedly violate the site's terms of service.  What he does with predictable, shitty frequency would get any ordinary user booted from the platform. No, what sent Trump into a spiral of spittle-flecked fury was Twitter's placing anodyne fact-checks below some of his more nakedly dishonest and inaccurate tweets, with spittle-flecked racing about how mail-in voting would usher in widespread fraud. 

As a President who relied on disinformation to attain and hold power, those neutral fact checks set off more governmental action in a month than anyone could have imagined, given Trump's laconic response to the first two months of the COVID-19 pandemic.

And his supporters are cheering. There's a significant subset of the Trumpiverse—incel bloggers, social media "stars," wannabe Fox News contributors, and writers of tiresome "but duh librul media" jeremiads at dead-ender shitholes like Breitbart— that now blames Twitter for their woes. 

It strikes them as inconceivable that their tendentious, bad, stupid, racist, hateful, shitbird content isn't gaining traction. Instead, there must be some evil libtard algorithm or Soros-funded AI on the social media platforms suppressing their lambent wit and compelling genius.

Many of them would have been in the streets with torches and pitchforks if Obama had signed an executive order threatening social media companies if they try to police misinformation. But with Trump it's so much less Kenyan Muslim Socialist Soros Sleeper Agent, so we're all good. What would have been an outrage is now a delight. "Wildly expand executive power to own the libs!"

The bullshit lies of the Tea Party Era GOP are shattered now, gone entirely. 

Free markets? Hayek, please. 

Markets and companies are only free as long as they're on the Dear Leader's Good List. I could start a company tomorrow called We Shred Live Babies In A Rusty Meat Grinder And Feed The Sausage To Stray Dogs, Inc. and if the corporate Twitter feed said the right MAGA claptrap and the check to Trump's campaign cleared, we'd be fine. 

Spare me your "Only Trump will protect our economic freedumb" line: this is a president who seeks to use the power of the regulatory state (which I was told was a Very Bad Thing during the Clinton and Obama years) to break corporations to his political will.

Of the moribund strict constitutionalist wing of the GOP, the less said the better. Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Mike Lee and others who raced to the microphones at the slightest hit of Obama overstepping the lines were damn quiet as Trump wildly colored outside the lines of any rational version of executive power.

On the legislative side, Trump has a handful of nationalist-socialist — I mean, nationalist-populist, sorry — types like Josh Hawley, Marsha Blackburn, and Tom Cotton who have decided that they're the chosen ones to make Big Government work for conservatism, because what could ever go wrong?

This cohort's eagerness to push something legislative that Trump can wield in his war on non-compliant social media companies is unseemly, and of course, getting wall-to-wall glowing coverage on Fox. Fortunately, their proposals have a 0.00001 chance of moving in the House before the sun cools to a dark cinder, and Mitch McConnell's control of the Senate isn't precisely rock-solid right now. 

It's why Trump will move fast, with hatchetman Bill Barr and the regulatory state backing his play, to make an example of Twitter. Executive power abuses backed up by an attorney general who could care less about the law are a virus for which Washington and corporate America have no antibodies.

Unless Dorsey and his company learn to fight back, and fast, they will go down as the tech bros who first empowered, then placated, and finally were destroyed by Donald Trump. 

Jack, you don't strike me as a guy who's been in a lot of bar fights, but brother, you're in one now. This executive order isn't just Trump being Trump or simply bullshitting his base. No, it's vastly more than that. No bully — and Trump is the apotheosis of every bully, ever — is every satisfied with just one day's worth of your lunch money. No bully ever turns down a free shot when his posse pins back your arms.

Take this lying down, give in one inch to his threats, and he will never stop coming at you. This is the lesson of all bullies: Punch back. Defy them. Get back on your feet and never, ever give an inch. Throw armies of litigators at the problem. Suspend his ass for a couple days and watch him screech. 

You’re still a private platform. He still signed your terms of service and president or no, he’s bound by those rules. Trust me, he’s a man who has tied up more than a few people with NDAs and contracts; he’ll get that you have his tweets in a vice. Add more features and warnings to his lies. He’s a coward and a thug; hit back. Say it with me; “Fuck me? No, fuck you, Mr. President.”

Jack, you might have seen this trend on your site from time to time; Everything Trump Touches Dies. #ETTD isn't just a hashtag; it's a cautionary tale. 

Trump won't be satisfied with merely avoiding scrutiny of his mendacious tweet vomit. He'll want more, and take more, until you have nothing left to give. 

 

Glorious. I don't think I've read that guy before. I like his style, dude. 

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