Donald Trump 2020

[TwiceHorn 31283]

11 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I wish but these Trumpers aren’t going anywhere and they’re not going to all of a sudden reject white supremacy.  The challenges we’re looking at are going to take a generation to resolve, if we’re lucky.

Thing is, they were already there.  

Now they are louder and more "empowered."

But at the same time, the rest of us now know they exist and to some extent who they are.

If Trump loses, they will be largely "unempowered."  And we still know they exist and who they are.

Advantage, us.

[TwiceHorn 31283]

2 hours ago, Homercles said:

This is the truth.  I’ve been on there for ages under a different user name, and never frequented anything but the main and recruiting boards.  Decided to check politics once, it’s like going back in time to when guys like Swam ran the CR on shaggy.  (Class of 02 Poke here)

Point of order.  Swam never "ran" CR.  He was always a buffoon.  Was he loud on CR, yes.  Was he not shouted down and negged to Bolivia, yes.  But he was routinely exposed.

[Pancho 44487]

42 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

rumpers aren't going to all of a sudden reject white supremacy because the vast majority of them have been rejecting it their entire lives.  

[TwiceHorn 31283]

23 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

Right, you want someone to fight against ideas like healthcare for all Americans, fixing our deteriorating education system, fixing our deteriorating climate before it kills us all, a woman's right to decide what happens literally inside her own body, marriage equality for gay people, equal access to voting for minorities, etc.

You want someone to fight against the idea that all Americans should be treated fairly and we should plan for the future and correct the mistakes we've made so far.

And Trump's your boy.

But I'll give you credit for admitting it.  That's more than most Republicans are capable of.

EMAW is the perfect example of what's wrong with modern "conservatism."

You don't want to "fight" the "liberal agenda," you want to find alternative and compromise solutions to real problems that are more efficient, less costly, and don't delegate all responsibility for everything to the federal government.

You don't say "everything's fine" when it's clearly not. 

This whole obstructionist, "turn back the clock" crap is where the conservatives went violently wrong.  They were wrong on other things, too.  But from a really big picture standpoint, that's it.

[tantric superman 4667]

43 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

So maybe you're right.  Maybe they are just making it up.  But I don't think so.  There are plenty in my friends/familiy group who have not yet seen the light.  I'm still working on them.

This is less about me believing you or them than me being a "hope for the best, expect the worst" kind of person....

[mchookem 16224]

2 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

That said, I have two close friends from high school who are deeply religious and voted for Trump because they couldn’t stomach Hillary. They both gave up on Trump long ago and are voting straight Dem to teach the GOP a lesson. So there is some hope. They’ve been as pissed as I’ve ever seen them the last week or so.

a friend's husband is ex-marine, very conservative... we generally 'agree to disagree' when he's defended Trump before...

i made a remark in jest about a military coup after Mattis' letter yesterday; his response this morning: "The Leader of Marines has spoken.  Dude's a Legend.  Trump just lost a TON of military voters.  Myself included (though I was done about a week ago)."

holy shit is it possible we have actually reached a turning point? 😮 has he actually gone too far??

[Chad Fuck 17566]

5 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

This is less about me believing you or them than me being a "hope for the best, expect the worst" kind of person....

Fair enough.  I have no quibble with that.

[DDD Dad 14252]

2 minutes ago, mchookem said:

holy shit is it possible we have actually reached a turning point? 😮 has he actually gone too far??

Nope.  There is no bottom.  @Brisketexan out front should have told ya.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13546]

28 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Thing is, they were already there.  

Now they are louder and more "empowered."

But at the same time, the rest of us now know they exist and to some extent who they are.

If Trump loses, they will be largely "unempowered."  And we still know they exist and who they are.

Advantage, us.

This is, at least, my hope. That the jaded, apolitical, non-voting both-siders in this moment of compounded crisis are able to start discerning differences in the sides and how they have a major impact on their lives.

[Chad Fuck 17566]

10 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Nope.  There is no bottom.  @Brisketexan out front should have told ya.

/obligatory

[burntorangebongos 10681]

1 hour ago, EMAWesome said:

Really?

https://www.cjonline.com/news/20200407/kansas-coronavirus-update-gov-laura-kelly-extends-crowd-limits-to-churches-funerals

https://www.njspotlight.com/2020/06/two-south-jersey-churches-reopen-defying-gov-murphys-orders-on-indoor-gatherings/

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-05/court-upholds-california-ban-on-church-services-in-coronavirus-pandemic

https://abcnews.go.com/US/kentucky-governor-warns-worshipers-congregate-easter-weekend/story?id=70101091

https://time.com/5834708/court-kentucky-ban-mass-gatherings-churches-coronavirus/

https://kstp.com/minnesota-news/governor-walz-faces-another-lawsuit-asking-to-end-unconstitutional-shutdown-orders-for-small-business-churches-covid-19-pandemic/5721855/

https://www.registerguard.com/news/20200508/churches-sue-gov-brown-over-oregon-coronavirus-restrictions

Notice what every one of those states have in common? A Democratic governor.

Now compare the reaction by Republicans.

https://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20200405/coronavirus-florida-governor-exempts-worship-from-stay-at-home-restrictions-many-religious-leaders-say-lsquostay-homersquo

https://www.wtok.com/content/news/WATCH-LIVE-Gov-Reeves-coronavirus-press-conference--569479841.html

https://www.jurist.org/news/2020/05/doj-extends-support-to-church-in-virginia-covid-19-shutdown-case/

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/04/02/texas-churches-coronavirus-stay-open/

 

It's not a matter of how much of a Christian Trump is.  It's a matter of how anti-religion he isn't.

 

It looks like the Democrats believe in Science first when it comes to Public Safety. We should vote for more of them.

[TXSG8R 3360]

1 hour ago, EMAWesome said:

Really?

https://www.cjonline.com/news/20200407/kansas-coronavirus-update-gov-laura-kelly-extends-crowd-limits-to-churches-funerals

https://www.njspotlight.com/2020/06/two-south-jersey-churches-reopen-defying-gov-murphys-orders-on-indoor-gatherings/

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-05/court-upholds-california-ban-on-church-services-in-coronavirus-pandemic

https://abcnews.go.com/US/kentucky-governor-warns-worshipers-congregate-easter-weekend/story?id=70101091

https://time.com/5834708/court-kentucky-ban-mass-gatherings-churches-coronavirus/

https://kstp.com/minnesota-news/governor-walz-faces-another-lawsuit-asking-to-end-unconstitutional-shutdown-orders-for-small-business-churches-covid-19-pandemic/5721855/

https://www.registerguard.com/news/20200508/churches-sue-gov-brown-over-oregon-coronavirus-restrictions

Notice what every one of those states have in common? A Democratic governor.

Now compare the reaction by Republicans.

https://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20200405/coronavirus-florida-governor-exempts-worship-from-stay-at-home-restrictions-many-religious-leaders-say-lsquostay-homersquo

https://www.wtok.com/content/news/WATCH-LIVE-Gov-Reeves-coronavirus-press-conference--569479841.html

https://www.jurist.org/news/2020/05/doj-extends-support-to-church-in-virginia-covid-19-shutdown-case/

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/04/02/texas-churches-coronavirus-stay-open/

 

It's not a matter of how much of a Christian Trump is.  It's a matter of how anti-religion he isn't.

 

Or you know, its more of a science issue since some of the initial hot spots from COVID were churches or church related.  People close together, singing and praying, for an hour, is an unnecessary risk based on what we know about how the virus spreads.  

No one is stopping anyone from churching it up, there are plenty of online and TV options to get your faith on.  I'm not religious, but my mom's side of the family is deeply catholic.  Shes in Germany with her mom, and while they are sad that they cant attend in person, they get it, and the clergy are on board.  I find it ironic that Catholics, who generally get shit on by various christian denominations in the US about their attachment to rites and tradition, can accept church from home, but various churches cant.  I'm a cynic, I think its more about some of these preachers sweating empty collection plates, but maybe some of them really believe that god will protect them from the virus.  I guess the others that caught it in a church didn't pray hard enough.  

 

EDIT:  Damn it, Bongos beat me to it.  

Edited June 4, 2020 by TXSG8R

[BrickHorn 18194]

13 minutes ago, mchookem said:

a friend's husband is ex-marine, very conservative... we generally 'agree to disagree' when he's defended Trump before...

i made a remark in jest about a military coup after Mattis' letter yesterday; his response this morning: "The Leader of Marines has spoken.  Dude's a Legend.  Trump just lost a TON of military voters.  Myself included (though I was done about a week ago)."

holy shit is it possible we have actually reached a turning point? 😮 has he actually gone too far??

It’s an amazing thing watching cultists snap out of their trance. And the beauty is: once they flip, confirmation bias starts doing the Lord’s work.

This is a time of opportunity. Your friend has decided to not support Trump and will be actively seeking reasons to justify that decision. Feed them to him. Just make sure those reasons align with his values. Don’t start jamming Obamacare and Herstory down his throat. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

6 minutes ago, burntorangebongos said:

It looks like the Democrats believe in Science first when it comes to Public Safety. We should vote for more of them.

I can’t imagine how bad Louisiana would be right now if we elected Eddie Rispone Governor back in November. 

Glad we dodged this bullet.

Edited June 4, 2020 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Nice Guy Eddie 13414]

18 minutes ago, mchookem said:

a friend's husband is ex-marine, very conservative... we generally 'agree to disagree' when he's defended Trump before...

i made a remark in jest about a military coup after Mattis' letter yesterday; his response this morning: "The Leader of Marines has spoken.  Dude's a Legend.  Trump just lost a TON of military voters.  Myself included (though I was done about a week ago)."

holy shit is it possible we have actually reached a turning point? 😮 has he actually gone too far??

Maybe but it's also possible that these changing opinions are very shallow and they will revert back very quickly.

[RomaVicta 29794]

2 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

[Chad Fuck 17566]

1 minute ago, BrickHorn said:

It’s an amazing thing watching cultists snap out of their trance. And the beauty is: once they flip, confirmation bias starts doing the Lord’s work.

This is a time of opportunity. Your friend has decided to not support Trump and will be actively seeking reasons to justify that decision. Feed them to him. Just make sure those reasons align with his values. Don’t start jamming Obamacare and Herstory down his throat. 

This last part is really important.  Meet them on their turf, on the issues that are important to them.  For my friends, that was asking simple questions:  Would you let Trump teach your Sunday school class?  OK, well then why not?  Then how can you support him?  

I know you don't like Obama care, but have you seen the Republican alternative?  No?  Let me show you.  

 

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

1 hour ago, EMAWesome said:

The Trump movement is a reject the radical leftness of the Democrat Party movement.  It is only pro-Trump in the sense that Trump is the only "Republican" with the balls to sling the shit back at the media and the Democratic establishment (toe-mate-toe, toe-mot-toe) instead of trying to placate them.  We want someone to fight the Democrat agenda, not someone who will cut the least shittiest deal with them. 

it's strange you picked a life-long democrat to fight that battle.

i wonder what it will take for you to realize you got conned?

lol just kidding.

[Pig Bellmont 8692]

A lot of people and politicians are going to start to find their principles if Biden continues to poll at +8 or +11 nationally

[burntorangebongos 10681]

The Republican alternative for healthcare is that there is no plan. They are in the courts trying to shut down Obamacare without an alternative. They had a lot of time to plan what that would be and strategize a plan and did not because they just want to claw back from the people a benefit that costs the elites something that they don't want to pay for at all. That is it, imo. 

[Gooby 633]

13 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:

That didn't take very long 

 

Somebody tell Dumbfuck Donnie that Mattis resigned.

[Gatorubet 30115]

Maybe but it's also possible that these changing opinions are very shallow and they will revert back very quickly.

[SizzleChest 8275]

8 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Maybe but it's also possible that these changing opinions are very shallow and they will revert back very quickly.

Former Trumpkins will ultimately tire of being lectured to about, well, everything, so hopefully people understand that talking down or general condescension is wholly ineffective with these newly turned out folks.  How would you feel if your worldview and all associated sensibilities were just completely upended? 

[Brisketexan 104628]

Just now, SizzleChest said:

Former Trumpkins will ultimately tire of being lectured to about, well, everything, so hopefully people understand that talking down or general condescension is wholly ineffective with these newly turned out folks.  How would you feel if your worldview and all associated sensibilities were just completely upended? 

Like an utter fucking dumbass.

Which they are.

You think these people  will be "turned."  Keep dreaming.

[Pig Bellmont 8692]

2 minutes ago, burntorangebongos said:

The Republican alternative for healthcare is that there is no plan. They are in the courts trying to shut down Obamacare without an alternative. They had a lot of time to plan what that would be and strategize a plan and did not because they just want to claw back from the people a benefit that costs the elites something that they don't want to pay for at all. That is it, imo. 

In the current form, the Republican Party is incapable of governing and doing the hard work to pass anything of significance 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

9 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

A lot of people and politicians are going to start to find their principles if Biden continues to poll at +8 or +11 nationally

I wouldn’t hold my breath on this.  Trump has always been historically unpopular.  The risk/reward calculation for Republicans on whether to turn on Trump has always been to double down on Trump.   Look at what happened to folks that spoke out before:  McCain, Flake, Corker, Sanford, Romney, Amash...they end up being despised by everyone. There is no incentive for these people to do the right thing.  With Mattis, he has nothing to lose. 

Edited June 4, 2020 by Hugo Stiglitz

[SizzleChest 8275]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Like an utter fucking dumbass.

Which they are.

You think these people  will be "turned."  Keep dreaming.

I'm witnessing it myself, but you have a schtick to maintain, so carry on.

[Ghost of LL 15492]

11 hours ago, Disco Strangler said:

You on the party line with Brisket, or is there a phone talkin’ club that the rest of us can’t join?

Brisket and I occasionally need to talk on professional matters.  So no--y'all assholes can't join that.

But we are thinking about doing a podcast.

23 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

It’s an amazing thing watching cultists snap out of their trance. And the beauty is: once they flip, confirmation bias starts doing the Lord’s work.

This is a time of opportunity. Your friend has decided to not support Trump and will be actively seeking reasons to justify that decision. Feed them to him. Just make sure those reasons align with his values. Don’t start jamming Obamacare and Herstory down his throat. 

There's a lot to this.  And I say that speaking from a lot of personal experience as a former Republican.

14 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

A lot of people and politicians are going to start to find their principles if Biden continues to poll at +8 or +11 nationally

It's not just about finding principles.  There's something weird in our psychology that we don't want to back the losing horse.  If Trump is going down by 10 points, then a lot of the MAGAts--many of whom very rarely voted before 2016--won't vote.  And a lot of independents who say they dislike both candidates will vote for Biden just to say that they voted for the winner.

It's weird, but 10+ point leads have a way of really snowballing in high-profile races (see, e.g., Abbott's victory over Wendy Davis).

Edited June 4, 2020 by Ghost of LL

[Blotto 23434]

4 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I wouldn’t hold my breath on this.  Trump has always been historically unpopular.  The risk/reward calculation for Republicans on whether to turn on Trump has always been to double down on Trump.   Look at what happened to folks that spoke out before:  McCain, Flake, Corker, Sanford, Romney, Amash...they end up being despised by everyone. There is no incentive for these people to do the right thing.  With Mattis, he has nothing to lose. 

They are way past the point of turning on Trump. After 3+ years of cradling the balls, stroking the shaft, working the pipe, and swallowing the gravy, they are all-in. If they abandon Trump now they lose with certainty, if they stick with Trump they have a shot. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

25 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

It’s an amazing thing watching cultists snap out of their trance. And the beauty is: once they flip, confirmation bias starts doing the Lord’s work.

This is a time of opportunity. Your friend has decided to not support Trump and will be actively seeking reasons to justify that decision. Feed them to him. Just make sure those reasons align with his values. Don’t start jamming Obamacare and Herstory down his throat. 

My brother and I had a discussion about this yesterday.  We agreed that going all in your face is the wrong move. Gotta come from a place of empathy to their perspective, do more listening than talking, and try to keep the focus on the important stuff. 

[Brisketexan 104628]

7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I wouldn’t hold my breath on this.  Trump has always been historically unpopular.  The risk/reward calculation for Republicans on whether to turn on Trump has always been to double down on Trump.   Look at what happened to folks that spoke out before:  McCain, Flake, Corker, Sanford, Romney, Amash...they end up being despised by everyone. There is no incentive for these people to do the right thing.  With Mattis, he has nothing to lose. 

Hugo is spot on with this.  There is only one direction for the party and its supporters -- Trump, and more Trump.

Anyone who chose to support Trump and who is telling you now that they don't is someone who 1) is perceptive enough to realize that there's social shaming involved, and they don't want to feel ashamed, and 2) is lying to you.  Because they didn't vote for any set of policies or anything like that.  They voted for a cult, they joined a cult, and people don't just leave cults.  The psychology here isn't groundbreaking -- it's actually boring and predictable.

We will never, ever change their hearts and minds.  The only sound strategy is to shame them, force them back under the rocks whence they came, and do all we can to prevent them from infecting future generations.  But they will always be there, ready to break out in another pandemic of gluttonous stupidity and cruelty.  They always were, and they always will be.  Here's the fun part -- now that we know they are here, and they are legion, 20 years from now, when they are quieter than they are today, you'll look around at the white people you're dealing with (and they're pretty much all white people, let's not kid ourselves) and wonder....is he one of them?  Is she?  It's gonna be lovely.

Kinda like meeting a German in 1960 and wondering what they did to support the regime.

[Brisketexan 104628]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

My brother and I had a discussion about this yesterday.  We agreed that going all in your face is the wrong move. Gotta come from a place of empathy to their perspective, do more listening than talking, and try to keep the focus on the important stuff. 

Or, alternate strategy -- do all you can to shame them, discourage them, and have them stay home in November.  Again, conversion is such a low-percentage game at this point that it's not even worth playing.

[Degenerate Gardner 4081]

7 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

But we are thinking about doing a podcast.

Don't think. Do.

[yoladu 4067]

3 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

Are we sure those are not George Soros delivered pallets full of "weapons" to throw?

[pacman 7330]

Gun rights activists, and the NRA, have surely denounced Trump's Lafayette Square travesty, using the military against our right to organize,  right?

 

I mean, they gassed the clergy of the very Church they used for the photo op.

Edited June 4, 2020 by pacman

[Nice Guy Eddie 13414]

17 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

In the current form, the Republican Party is incapable of governing and doing the hard work to pass anything of significance 

Their main function right now is to pack the courts with as many judges that can sit on the bench for the next 25-30 years. And McConnell has done a great job of executing this plan. There have been a few rejections but you have to wonder how many other unqualified judges have slipped in.

One can only imagine that is going to happen if the GOP loses both the Senate and the WH. That last 2 months is going to be a firestorm of confirmations and attempts to pass senate rules to hurt the next Dem majority. As in passing new rules with a simple majority but find a method that requires a super-majority to overturn.

[Irwin F Fletcher 3550]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Or, alternate strategy -- do all you can to shame them, discourage them, and have them stay home in November.  Again, conversion is such a low-percentage game at this point that it's not even worth playing.

This is where I've moved to. After 3.5 years of exposure to Trump. his cult isn't going to open up for a dialogue. Let them own it all. Post his insane rants for all to see. Call out the use of force to disperse peaceful protesters, violating their constitutional rights to peacefully assemble, so he could hold a staged photo op to feed his narcissistic desire to try and show some kind of false narrative he was a leader. Then tear them apart as they try to defend it. Though, honestly most don't either have the courage to defend it publicly or are just to tired of trying to do so now. None the less, expose Trump and his followers to the disinfectant of light. 

[WhatTheBuck 28713]

40 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Maybe but it's also possible that these changing opinions are very shallow and they will revert back very quickly.

"I just couldn't vote for a Democrat."

[Brisketexan 104628]

9 minutes ago, pacman said:

Gun rights activists, and the NRA, have surely denounced Trump's Lafayette Square travesty, using the military against our right to organize,  right?

 

I mean, they gassed the clergy of the very Church they used for the photo op.

I mean, I'm 100% certain they totally intended to, and were gonna.  Musta been some problem with their printer or something.....

[mchookem 16224]

34 minutes ago, SizzleChest said:

Former Trumpkins will ultimately tire of being lectured to about, well, everything, so hopefully people understand that talking down or general condescension is wholly ineffective with these newly turned out folks.  How would you feel if your worldview and all associated sensibilities were just completely upended? 

yeah... i'm probably not really gonna say anything more to him lol. i started to reply this morning but decided not to and just gave him a 'like'. 

some of the thinking is SO irrational, the whole 'let's support the most heinous shit Trump does just to see libtard years' mentality is just baffling... i'm not pushing my luck with this one lol. 

i highly doubt he'd vote Biden, but he would easily not vote. that's all it takes. 

Edited June 4, 2020 by mchookem

[gmr548 16517]

EMAW is the perfect example of what's wrong with modern "conservatism." You don't want to "fight" the "liberal agenda," you want to find alternative and compromise solutions to real problems that are more efficient, less costly, and don't delegate all responsibility for everything to the federal government.

You don't say "everything's fine" when it's clearly not. 

This whole obstructionist, "turn back the clock" crap is where the conservatives went violently wrong.  They were wrong on other things, too.  But from a really big picture standpoint, that's it.

 

Their reason existance is to thwart the Democratic agenda and own the libtards. They have no original plans and no independent identity. If Obama and Hillary came out advocating for a border wall tomorrow, they'd be for completely open borders. Add in the cult like tendencies when it comes to worship of their leader and it starts looking really familiar. 

 

It's the party/ideology of aggy.

 

 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

11 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Or, alternate strategy -- do all you can to shame them, discourage them, and have them stay home in November.  Again, conversion is such a low-percentage game at this point that it's not even worth playing.

All I can say to this is it depends.  Many (white) people were not paying as much attention until now because they believed elections could never touch them.  With the pandemic, economic collapse, widespread civil unrest and Trump’s disastrous response to all of it, it’s a situation they can no longer ignore.  The distractions and daily routines they were accustomed to have been upended and reality is hitting or about to hit them right in the face.  They will now be looking for alternatives to get back to whatever has been lost.  Sometimes it’s best to try and appeal to the better angels of their nature. 

[Beantown Express 2.0 6555]

26 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Brisket and I occasionally need to talk on professional matters.  So no--y'all assholes can't join that.

But we are thinking about doing a podcast.

 

I don't want to hear Brisket's real voice.  I prefer reading all of his posts hearing it in Gilbert Gottfried's voice.  It makes them much more impactful to me.

[WhatTheBuck 28713]

39 minutes ago, SizzleChest said:

Former Trumpkins will ultimately tire of being lectured to about, well, everything, so hopefully people understand that talking down or general condescension is wholly ineffective with these newly turned out folks.  How would you feel if your worldview and all associated sensibilities were just completely upended? 

When I gave up religion, the world suddenly made sense. It was quite liberating. 

[Ghost of LL 15492]

1 minute ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

I don't want to hear Brisket's real voice.  I prefer reading all of his posts hearing it in Gilbert Gottfried's voice.  It makes them much more impactful to me.

Well, as fortune would have it, Brisket's voice does have a real Gilbert Gottfried quality to it.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13414]

12 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

"I just couldn't vote for a Democrat."

Which all of us know that when you stay home or vote Gary Johnson (or claim to), you're helping the candidate that is expected to win.

[smuggs 9342]

12 minutes ago, Irwin F Fletcher said:

None the less, expose Trump and his followers to the disinfectant of light. 

Suppose that we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light... supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. I think it's a great thing to look at.

[SimonBolivar 10932]

17 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

As I told Brisket on the phone this morning, the Trump Presidency ended Monday evening.  He may still reside in the White House, but he has no legitimacy.  Anything he tries to do will be met with such blow-back that it'll have to be walked back.  And since it's now his defeat in November is becoming a foregone conclusion, he becomes ever more impotent.

And that is actually really scary.

Come on now you know the political memory of our country lasts about a week. Things will change in the next 5 months and new issues will get everyone riled up. Lindsey Graham already said his committee hopes to have a report out before the election on Obama & Biden's meddling into the Trump campaign in 2016. They're going to be throwing every single piece of shit onto the wall that they can find and I'm sure a lot of it will stick when the white guilt is gone and whites are looking for any reason to vote for team R.

Edited June 4, 2020 by SimonBolivar

[burntorangebongos 10681]

Biden Republicans will vote Trump out and maybe some Republicans down ballot that they see as enablers. But many of them will not feel comfortable in the inevitable progressive lean that the Democratic party is going to take simply because the younger generation is woke as shit and will demand it. The generation that got fucked by past tax breaks and the looting of money from Education so that they had to take on debt to get one, are going to swing shit in their favor. Hopefully, we can make that be a gentler swing but it is going to happen and they will use the Democratic Party to make it so. 

The problem for the Biden Republicans is the Republican party is a fucking mess and will need to be purged of the Trumpian corruption and Tea Party-like philosophy that was simply to obstruct the other party, but put forth no real agenda of value. All the talk about deregulation was to line up at the trough and gorge while fucking up our water, air and oversight of industry. It was bullshit so they could steal legally. And less government spending....hahahahahaha. We have to unfuck so much.

But that is another topic. The topic is where will these people go when the Dem party moves too far left if they can't purge their party quickly of the Tea Party fuckery? They will either have to fuck those motherfuckers up in an in-party civil war or they will try to keep the Democratic party from becoming too progressive. That won't be possible forever and might create havoc in the Dem party. I kind of hope that they clean up their Republican house and move out of ours because I'm not sure I want them to slow our progressive roll too much. Hopefully the Republican establishment is as transactional as Trump and will bury him and his minions quick after they get sidelined. I don't know, I can see it going both ways with bad consequences (in my opinion) either way.

I just hope for all our sake that Trump and his cult will adhere to the rule of law and fucking take the loss, pussy. But with Bill Barr and his task force of federal agents, the fence they are putting up at the White House might be for other ominous purposes. Holy shit, no more bad shit please sweet black baby Jesus.

[henrygandorf 29177]

38 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

But we are thinking about doing a podcast.

fine, i’ll be a special guest. stop begging, it’s tacky.