Donald Trump 2020

[Hiphopopotamos 21158]

39 minutes ago, Lobo said:

I realize they're not in the business of revealing their sources, but if the NYT could drop some more evidence or names on America's birthday, I think the Republic could use a little gift of honesty about now.  

Bolton said that he briefed the president last year on the Russian bounty intelligence.

Every single news agency at this point has confirmed the story.

Foreign new agencies have confirmed with allied governments that they were given Russian bounty intelligence by the US so they could protect their own troops.

Short of Putin admitting it - I'm not sure what more the NYT/CNN/Reuters could do.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Fuck Trump and this last post on page bullshit

Edited July 1, 2020 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Francisco 2.0 32545]

 

 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Dnaguy 12575]

1 hour ago, Mo Horn said:

 

So we started with silence, then moved to I was never briefed on it, then to the White House confirming he was now briefed on this that was in his February briefing, to now it's just another hoax. I love waking up in the morning to see what craziness the day holds. 

Isn’t that his playbook on everything?

Not to sound shitty, but it’s worked in the past.... why change now!

[Mo Horn 8933]

1 minute ago, Dnaguy said:

Isn’t that his playbook on everything?

Not to sound shitty, but it’s worked in the past.... why change now!

Yup, you say it enough times and it becomes reality. 

[SydneyCarton 49332]

37 minutes ago, NoRagrets said:

Yeah I don’t want that to happen because that person would go to jail for revealing classified information.

I mean, if the person chose to do it willingly, and as a symbol for a broken nation, I’d cheer them. And hopefully see them pardoned in a few months.

[Guest Lobo]

4 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

Yup, you say it enough times and it becomes reality. 

Yeah, didn't realize NATO and FoxNews were the same thing.  Holy shit, this thing really is blowing up faster and better than I thought it would.  

His fucksticks can blame China for WuhanFlu, they can blame black people for police brutality, they can blame Pelosi for the economy, but who in the world are you idiots gonna look to when your messiah looked the other way when Russia played bounty hunter with our sons' lives?  He's done.  The bad news is his supporters are now boxed into a corner like a frightened pit bull.  Election Day to Inauguration Day...77 Days.  They will be the darkest period in our nation in long while.  We are not yet at our lowest point.

[Chad Fuck 18092]

A lot of people with no college degrees made a shit ton of money with the oil boom in the Victoria area and became shitbirds.

Money doesn’t make people assholes. It frees them to be who they were all along.

[landman 564]

21 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

The reduction has been 51 though.  

[Pig Bellmont 8867]

Just dropping in to say Trump will not veto the NDAA. It would take 60 votes to remove Warren’s amendment to rename military bases, and that’s not happening. Trump is weak- he absolutely will not take the sole political heat for the veto

[wildcat09 29561]

11 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Just dropping in to say Trump will not veto the NDAA. It would take 60 votes to remove Warren’s amendment to rename military bases, and that’s not happening. Trump is weak- he absolutely will not take the sole political heat for the veto

He might. He really seems to think starting a race war will benefit him.

[Mango4 191]

Expect South Dakota to become a COVID hotspot after Friday because our dumbass of a Governor said that social distancing will not be practiced when the occupant of the White House is at Mount Rushmore on Friday. I'm excited for my state to show how many dumbasses actually live here and I can't wait for them to give Trump a standing ovation after he claims he brought fireworks back to Mount Rushmore even though everyone in this state knows there hasn't been fireworks for 10 years due to the pine beetle infestation. But the citizens in this state will completely ignore that because Trump told them to . 

[Pig Bellmont 8867]

1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

He might. He really seems to think starting a race war will benefit him.

I think this is like when he tweeted he was going to fight the corrupt NY AG over the Trump foundation lawsuit, then when the rubber meets the road, he capitulated. Dissolved the foundation and agreed not to run a non-profit in the state again 

[Guest Lobo]

Wait, you can't light fireworks around pine beetles?  

This changes my whole fucking weekend! 

[Bozo_Casanova 26773]

9 hours ago, Degenerate Gardner said:

Rooted in denial or not, I can't regularly indulge that sort of despair. But I will admit to moments lasting days-weeks-months of it. How do other people with progeny and the presumption of a horizon for them reconcile this outlook with hope for the generations to come? I'll hang up and listen.

Look, I’m not saying hope is lost. I’m saying when we come out the other side of whatever happens, things will be very different. Hopefully that’s better for most, and hopefully we can do it without lots of people dying, although I would argue that the death toll is already running, because our failure to contain COVID due to poor compliance is a man-made disaster.

As for the kids- I think revolution is what they want. If you think about what a Gen Z person has experienced in their life, nothing has ever gotten better. They woke up to Obama and are entering young adulthood with Trump. They think Democrats are lying clowns, that Republicans are an existential threat to the earth, and use terms like “late stage capitalism” to describe the market failures that result from rent seeking and grifter mentality .
You and I want to save our institutions and systems from Trumpism. The kids see Trump as a natural, eventual outcome of our systems and want to see our institutions overturned. 
They want a better world, and I think they will put us on the path towards one eventually. They are smart, motivated and totally unsentimental about the past. But if it is left to them the path will be harder and more difficult than it needed to be because we will start with ashes. 
I've said this before: it’s up to millennials with all the help Gen X can give them. They are the last cohort who remembers, if distantly, what is at stake and just how much we have to lose. After that, the deluge. 

Edited July 1, 2020 by Bozo_Casanova

[Horndog 2293]

26 minutes ago, Mango4 said:

Expect South Dakota to become a COVID hotspot after Friday because our dumbass of a Governor said that social distancing will not be practiced when the occupant of the White House is at Mount Rushmore on Friday. I'm excited for my state to show how many dumbasses actually live here and I can't wait for them to give Trump a standing ovation after he claims he brought fireworks back to Mount Rushmore even though everyone in this state knows there hasn't been fireworks for 10 years due to the pine beetle infestation. But the citizens in this state will completely ignore that because Trump told them to . 

Maybe it will look like this when he gets there. 

 

[Brisketexan 106635]

2 hours ago, Mo Horn said:

 

So we started with silence, then moved to I was never briefed on it, then to the White House confirming he was now briefed on this that was in his February briefing, to now it's just another hoax. I love waking up in the morning to see what craziness the day holds. 

Again, add it to the stack of outlandish lies, because...

1 hour ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Bolton said that he briefed the president last year on the Russian bounty intelligence.

Every single news agency at this point has confirmed the story.

Foreign new agencies have confirmed with allied governments that they were given Russian bounty intelligence by the US so they could protect their own troops.

Short of Putin admitting it - I'm not sure what more the NYT/CNN/Reuters could do.

For fuck's sake, the people in his own admin have admitted that he was briefed on it.  He might as well be denying that gravity exists.....but it will work.  Because lies are truth.

1984 was a fucking romance novel compared to the world that Trumpism is bringing to fruition.

[Captainant 28407]

16 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Look, I’m not saying hope is lost. I’m saying when we come out the other side of whatever happens, things will be very different. Hopefully that’s better for most, and hopefully we can do it without lots of people dying, although I would argue that the death toll is already running, because our failure to contain COVID due to poor compliance is a man-made disaster.

As for the kids- I think revolution is what they want. If you think about what a Gen Z person has experienced in their life, nothing has ever gotten better. They woke up to Obama and are entering young adulthood with Trump. They think Democrats are lying clowns, that Republicans are an existential threat to the earth, and use terms like “late stage capitalism” to describe the market failures that result from rent seeking and grifter mentality .
You and I want to save our institutions and systems from Trumpism. The kids see Trump as a natural, eventual outcome of our systems and want to see our institutions overturned. 
They want a better world, and I think they will put us on the path towards one eventually. They are smart, motivated and totally unsentimental about the past. But if it is left to them the path will be harder and more difficult than it needed to be because we will start with ashes. 
I've said this before: it’s up to millennials with all the help Gen X can give them. They are the last cohort who remembers, if distantly, what is at stake and just how much we have to lose. After that, the deluge. 

I'm a millennial who feels very much the same as what you described for genZ. My family has been fucked over by grifting corporations (parents lost their retirement when WorldCom went down), have spent every last drop of savings on my dad's Parkinson's, and my sister and I graduated with mountains of student debt because our college funds were hollowed out so my dad wouldn't fade away to his disease.

The vast majority of their platform of easy access to healthcare and education, corporate reform, and a rejection of market norms sounds pretty fucking good to me. The current system is not set up to benefit even a majority of Americans. It's a fucking vacuum sucking up the American dream and leaving us with a not even interesting dsytopia

[Brisketexan 106635]

23 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Look, I’m not saying hope is lost. I’m saying when we come out the other side of whatever happens, things will be very different. Hopefully that’s better for most, and hopefully we can do it without lots of people dying, although I would argue that the death toll is already running, because our failure to contain COVID due to poor compliance is a man-made disaster.

As for the kids- I think revolution is what they want. If you think about what a Gen Z person has experienced in their life, nothing has ever gotten better. They woke up to Obama and are entering young adulthood with Trump. They think Democrats are lying clowns, that Republicans are an existential threat to the earth, and use terms like “late stage capitalism” to describe the market failures that result from rent seeking and grifter mentality .
You and I want to save our institutions and systems from Trumpism. The kids see Trump as a natural, eventual outcome of our systems and want to see our institutions overturned. 
They want a better world, and I think they will put us on the path towards one eventually. They are smart, motivated and totally unsentimental about the past. But if it is left to them the path will be harder and more difficult than it needed to be because we will start with ashes. 
I've said this before: it’s up to millennials with all the help Gen X can give them. They are the last cohort who remembers, if distantly, what is at stake and just how much we have to lose. After that, the deluge. 

I fucking hate that I agree with every damned word of this.  We've let the cancer become so widespread and metastatic that the treatment for it, if we are to survive....is going to be fucking brutal.  We're going to look very different after the regimen of surgery, radiation, and chemo we'll get over the next 20 years.  With no guarantees that it will even work.  Shit, with no guarantee that we'll even get the chance to treat it - the cancer may well just flat-out win.  I actually think that's the most likely outcome.  We end up a corporate-fascist state, with periodic violent resistance from the young and disaffected.

2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I'm a millennial who feels very much the same as what you described for genZ. My family has been fucked over by grifting corporations (parents lost their retirement when WorldCom went down), have spent every last drop of savings on my dad's Parkinson's, and my sister and I graduated with mountains of student debt because our college funds were hollowed out so my dad wouldn't fade away to his disease.

The vast majority of their platform of easy access to healthcare and education, corporate reform, and a rejection of market norms sounds pretty fucking good to me. The current system is not set up to benefit even a majority of Americans. It's a fucking vacuum sucking up the American dream and leaving us with a not even interesting dsytopia

It's not just that we've built a system designed to fuck over most Americans for the benefit of a few oligarchs, it's that we actively lionize that system as "the American Way!", and any opposition to it is "treasonous commie America-haters!  SOCIALISM!"  The GOP is not interested in negotiation, compromise, or good-faith discussion.  They have drawn a line in the sand.  Victory or death.  That's where we are.

[TXSG8R 3362]

Chris Stewart was just on FN to move the bounty story along.  

Opened with "haven't we seen this before, just another leaked hoax"

Host's next question is whether the story is plausible, he responds "This isn't surprising to anyone, Russia wants to kill our troops, they do it all the time"

Then discusses how they have been investigating this for years, but Trump has been tougher on Russia than anyone, blah blah.

 

[Neonmoon 38130]

Trump has exposed the two party system. When there’s only two teams, everyone chooses a side and defends their side to the death, even if that means defending traitors. 

[4th&Five 41905]

 

[wildcat09 29561]

1 minute ago, Neonmoon said:

Trump has exposed the two party system. When there’s only two teams, everyone chooses a side and defends their side to the death, even if that means defending traitors. 

We’ve always only had two viable political parties at a time. Since the civil war we haven’t seen a political party go insane. There’s more to it than the fact that the game only allows two teams on the field.

[Nope 3151]

1 minute ago, 4th&Five said:

 

He’s right, the cost of yellow paint is through the roof these days 

[Pig Bellmont 8867]

2 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Wait. He thinks “Black Lives Matter” is a symbol of hate? Jesus Christ. I should expect nothing less from someone who thanks supporters shouting “white power”

[Brisketexan 106635]

2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Since the civil war we haven’t seen a political party go insane.

This.  If you want to imagine what this would have been like in another era, imagine if one of our political parties had straight-up aligned with Mussolini's Republican Fascist Party in the 1930s and imported their views and tactics here wholesale.  That's what we're dealing with.

[Biff Tannen 46063]

2 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

5.  Mr. President, do you plan to pardon try to fuck your daughter Ivanka before or after the election?  Or both?

fixed

[Brisketexan 106635]

2 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Wait. He thinks “Black Lives Matter” is a symbol of hate? Jesus Christ. I should expect nothing less from someone who thanks supporters shouting “white power”

Again....repeated for emphasis.  He just characterized the statement "Black Lives Matter" as a symbol of hate.

He's a racist.  He's the president of, by, and for racists.  If you support him, that's what you support.  Period.  No excuses, fuck any argument you try to muster to the contrary.  You support a racist piece of shit, which makes you a racist piece of shit.

[TornACL 7792]

I always enjoy when some protestor, who is among thousands in the streets, individually starts an offensive chant, and immediately that person represents the entire group. 

But cops kill an innocent unarmed man and they're just bad apples. You shouldn't judge them all on one bad cop.

Fucking idiocy. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

15 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Trump has exposed the two party system. When there’s only two teams, everyone chooses a side and defends their side to the death, even if that means defending traitors. 

Not sure it’s a product of the two party system as much as it is society fundamentally bankrupt when it comes to integrity and ideas.  
 

I reflexively push back on these “two party system to blame” critiques because it’s usually a lazy way of saying both parties suck and we need a third party.  

Why not no parties?  

 

Edited July 1, 2020 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Mdhorn 6153]

2 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I would like to see reporters start framing questions towards dotard as if his landslide defeat is a foregone conclusion.  For example:

1.  Mr. President, has your staff started working on a succession plan with the future Biden administration?

2.  Mr. President, what advice would you give to Mr. Biden on how to successfully unfuck all the stuff you have fucked?  (might have to work the language on this one a bit)

3.  Mr. President, do you think Mr. Biden's inauguration will have 50% or 100% more attendees than yours?

4.  Mr. President, what is your projection for occupancy rates at your properties starting November 4?

5.  Mr. President, do you plan to pardon your daughter Ivanka before or after the election?

The only thing I'd change is the Mr. President part.   

2 hours ago, Mo Horn said:

 

So we started with silence, then moved to I was never briefed on it, then to the White House confirming he was now briefed on this that was in his February briefing, to now it's just another hoax. I love waking up in the morning to see what craziness the day holds. 

That's how his hooker and Russian denials began too.  

[Red Five 41601]

"a symbol of hate". Bad move, dotard. Really bad move. 

I'm now really wondering if he wants to win re-election. 

[TXSG8R 3362]

33 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Look, I’m not saying hope is lost. I’m saying when we come out the other side of whatever happens, things will be very different. Hopefully that’s better for most, and hopefully we can do it without lots of people dying, although I would argue that the death toll is already running, because our failure to contain COVID due to poor compliance is a man-made disaster.

As for the kids- I think revolution is what they want. If you think about what a Gen Z person has experienced in their life, nothing has ever gotten better. They woke up to Obama and are entering young adulthood with Trump. They think Democrats are lying clowns, that Republicans are an existential threat to the earth, and use terms like “late stage capitalism” to describe the market failures that result from rent seeking and grifter mentality .
You and I want to save our institutions and systems from Trumpism. The kids see Trump as a natural, eventual outcome of our systems and want to see our institutions overturned. 
They want a better world, and I think they will put us on the path towards one eventually. They are smart, motivated and totally unsentimental about the past. But if it is left to them the path will be harder and more difficult than it needed to be because we will start with ashes. 
I've said this before: it’s up to millennials with all the help Gen X can give them. They are the last cohort who remembers, if distantly, what is at stake and just how much we have to lose. After that, the deluge. 

Yea, but I struggle to see them being engaged enough, long enough, to affect real change.  Targeting Trump, or whoever the next singular target is, is relatively easy.  The problem is much bigger than Trump though.  Its bigger than the R or D party.  Politics is an oil tanker, it takes massive, sustained momentum to get it to change course.  It takes more than one election, and it takes effort at the local, state, and the national level.  Booting Trump, or Mitch, is a band-aid.  The real treatment is cycling people through the local and state levels that will fix things at those levels (gerrymandering, voter suppression, etc), and position better politicians for the national level down the road.  You're talking a decade+ of work, and that level of engagement has been hard to attribute to the vine/tik tok generation.  

Seeing this getting a nomination tells me that we have a long way to go.  I will love to be proven wrong, but I think the kids are looking for some heads to hang on the wall and call it a job well done.  

 

[4th&Five 41905]

6 minutes ago, TornACL said:

I always enjoy when some protestor, who is among thousands in the streets, individually starts an offensive chant, and immediately that person represents the entire group. 

But cops kill an innocent unarmed man and they're just bad apples. You shouldn't judge them all on one bad cop.

Fucking idiocy. 

Three days ago he tweeted a video of one of his supporters yelling “white power!” In that case though it pretty much represents the entire group. 

[A-Tex Devil 2492]

20 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

So he is encouraging police to revolt against the city.  MMMMkay...... Stephen Miller has him on a roll these last 24 hours.

[TXSG8R 3362]

4 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Not sure it’s a product of the two party system as much as it is society fundamentally bankrupt when it comes to integrity and ideas.  
 

I reflexively push back on these “two party system to blame” critiques because it’s usually a lazy way of saying both parties suck and we need a third party.  

Why not no parties?  

 

Because no parties doesn't work.  Candidates need to advertise their ideas.   At a minimum, parties serve as vehicles for raising and spending money strategically for people with common ideas/platforms.  Like it or not, strategy and money are parts of politics that aren't going away. The problem with 2 parties is that it forces a lot of moderate people to align with rigid party pillars and forces them to choose a side on issues that aren't always binary.  It moves people away from compromise.  

[Biff Tannen 46063]

9 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

Seeing this getting a nomination tells me that we have a long way to go.  I will love to be proven wrong, but I think the kids are looking for some heads to hang on the wall and call it a job well done.  

I mean, she was nominated by conservatives.  I think it's pretty much been proven they are not on the up and up.  Millennials and Gen Z skew much further left overall.  I do agree that it's worrisome that we may not be in this for the long haul.  For the record, I am, assuming Step 1 is taken care of in November.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Just now, TXSG8R said:

Because no parties doesn't work.  Candidates need to advertise their ideas.   At a minimum, parties serve as vehicles for raising and spending money strategically for people with common ideas/platforms.  Like it or not, strategy and money are parts of politics that aren't going away. The problem with 2 parties is that it forces a lot of moderate people to align with rigid party pillars and forces them to choose a side on issues that aren't always binary.  It moves people away from compromise.  

The parties don’t have inherent ideologies.  They are merely vehicles of power.  People have ideologies and they can move a party in any direction they want.  Look at Trump and the transformation that occurred from 2012 Mitt Romney GOP to 2016 Trump GOP.  

The parties can be as closely aligned or diametrically opposed as the leaders of the parties want them.

[Brisketexan 106635]

14 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

Yea, but I struggle to see them being engaged enough, long enough, to affect real change.  Targeting Trump, or whoever the next singular target is, is relatively easy.  The problem is much bigger than Trump though.  Its bigger than the R or D party.  Politics is an oil tanker, it takes massive, sustained momentum to get it to change course.  It takes more than one election, and it takes effort at the local, state, and the national level.  Booting Trump, or Mitch, is a band-aid.  The real treatment is cycling people through the local and state levels that will fix things at those levels (gerrymandering, voter suppression, etc), and position better politicians for the national level down the road.  You're talking a decade+ of work, and that level of engagement has been hard to attribute to the vine/tik tok generation.  

I will tell you, anecdotally, from hearing my kids and their peers, yes, they see Trump as a huge, evil problem, a complete buffoon, etc.  But they also clearly see huge structural problems, institutionalized racism, failure of basic expectations of government, etc.  For example, they hate Trump....but they also believe that it's insane that we don't have a functioning system of universal healthcare.  They hate Trump....but they also believe that our model of higher education (including its costs) is broken as shit.

Am I putting a lot of hope onto their shoulders?  Yes I am.  Our job as Gen X and Millenials is to clear the way for them the best we can.  But we won't ever be able to punch a ball across the goal line -- they might.

[Hornius Emeritus 12780]

8 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

Because no parties doesn't work.  Candidates need to advertise their ideas.   At a minimum, parties serve as vehicles for raising and spending money strategically for people with common ideas/platforms.  Like it or not, strategy and money are parts of politics that aren't going away. The problem with 2 parties is that it forces a lot of moderate people to align with rigid party pillars and forces them to choose a side on issues that aren't always binary.  It moves people away from compromise.  

 

My unorthodox ideas:

1) It could be that humans are ungovernable over the long term
2) Looking to history doesn't help us because every historical situation is unique i.e. it has new players, new historical antecedents, new motivations, and new understandings of history, PLUS historians can't even agree on the reasons why something happened, or how

3) We're conditioned to believe that choice X is better than choice Y because of whatever.  What if this is incorrect? What if both choices are equally bad?
4) If having two parties has worked for us for 200+ years, there's no reason it will continue to do so.  Similarly, if having many parties hasn't worked for Italy since World War II, there's no reason it can't start working for Italy ---- or for us.

5) We're screwed or we're not.
6) You never know what worse luck your bad luck saved you from.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

People like to say Trump doesn’t have an ideology but I think he absolutely does an ideology and it’s white supremacy.  That was his appeal, he took the mask off modern day conservatism and they embraced him for it.  

[RomaVicta 30505]

1 hour ago, Mango4 said:

Expect South Dakota to become a COVID hotspot after Friday because our dumbass of a Governor said that social distancing will not be practiced when the occupant of the White House is at Mount Rushmore on Friday. I'm excited for my state to show how many dumbasses actually live here and I can't wait for them to give Trump a standing ovation after he claims he brought fireworks back to Mount Rushmore even though everyone in this state knows there hasn't been fireworks for 10 years due to the pine beetle infestation. But the citizens in this state will completely ignore that because Trump told them to . 

You've come to the right place*, S. Dakota. Texas is a box of giant shit donuts with a few metropolitian areas acting as the holes.

State embarrassment is the new braggadociousness. Welcome to the party, pal! Bring your auto-rifle and don your Balaclava to attend the Covid-fest where you protest the cruel burden of wearing a mask!

*Only white people need apply. Valid only in states where denial, deceit, and dumbasses dominate. Side effects could include trouble breathing, permanent organ damage, death, tendency to scream profanities at good citizens, and cultism. Consult FOX NEWS or OAN for further details before making up your mind forever. Tolerance void where prohibited.

[Hookah Horns 3089]

24 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Not sure it’s a product of the two party system as much as it is society fundamentally bankrupt when it comes to integrity and ideas.  
 

I reflexively push back on these “two party system to blame” critiques because it’s usually a lazy way of saying both parties suck and we need a third party.  

Why not no parties?  

 

It's not the system per se that's the problem, it's that so many jackwagons base their identity on being a member of the team and their allegiance to the party overtakes their allegiance to the country and their ability to think critically. 

I'll never understand how so many people can't bring themselves to criticize or question those they voted for. God damned sheep. 

[Bama Chick 28596]

Trump has exposed the two party system. When there’s only two teams, everyone chooses a side and defends their side to the death, even if that means defending traitors. 

Look, I’m never going to clim Democrats as perfect angels but this is untrue.

Democrats have proven that they will rebuke and toss out shitbags or officials who behave badly. And they often don’t stall and blather about “waiting for all the evidence” before doing so.

Just being an accused Democrat will get you gone - to the detriment of the party at times.

See - Anthony Weiner, Al Franken, Katie Hill.

[TwiceHorn 31994]

2 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

Isn’t that his playbook on everything?

Not to sound shitty, but it’s worked in the past.... why change now!

I don't recall him ever saying "me and the Republican Party."  It's always "me, me, me."  And, as far as I can tell, this doesn't really implicate the party.  Not that I am defending them, but I think he's trying to build some solidarity with the party.  Potentially portentous!

[TwiceHorn 31994]

13 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

People like to say Trump doesn’t have an ideology but I think he absolutely does an ideology and it’s white supremacy.  That was his appeal, he took the mask off modern day conservatism and they embraced him for it.  

Well, its really Trump supremacy.  And he's a white male so all those non-white, non-male people tend to threaten Trump supremacy, so their interests align perfectly.  Plus he's racist, so it's that much better.

It's very much like how he's a "conservative."  He's a sorta wealthy white dude and a lot of "librul" policies might adversely affect his lifestyle and existence, so he makes fun of them and builds a "platform" of sorts around that.  

Edited July 1, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[Red Five 41601]

So I guess Trump is just gonna pretend that Covid went away for the rest of his presidency? I'm kind of expecting him to start tweeting soon that the whole thing is a hoax and that there never was a virus. 

[TXSG8R 3362]

7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The parties don’t have inherent ideologies.  They are merely vehicles of power.  People have ideologies and they can move a party in any direction they want.  Look at Trump and the transformation that occurred from 2012 Mitt Romney GOP to 2016 Trump GOP.  

The parties can be as closely aligned or diametrically opposed as the leaders of the parties want them.

Trump's actions may be a lot different from Romney, but the GOP platform really hasn't changed from 2012 to 2016.  Anti-immigration, anti-abortion, religious liberty, small government, fiscal responsibility, pro-military.  Trump is more bombastic on some of the platforms, and pillars rise or lower depending on what voters are responding to more in each election, but they never really changed.  Hell, they didn't even bother to change the platform language from 2016 that was attacking the "current president."  

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/us/politics/republican-platform.html

The platforms weed out moderate candidates that would otherwise probably be really strong candidates nationally.  Kasich is a good example of that.  

[Macanudo 13258]

9 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Look, I’m never going to clim Democrats as perfect angels but this is untrue.

Democrats have proven that they will rebuke and toss out shitbags or officials who behave badly. And they often don’t stall and blather about “waiting for all the evidence” before doing so.

Just being an accused Democrat will get you gone - to the detriment of the party at times.

See - Anthony Weiner, Al Franken, Katie Hill.

In all fairness, Anthony Weiner tossed his weiner out so many times they didnt really have a choice.