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Let me be candid and honest here my man. I cannot be sympathetic to your comments because this is how adult life has always been. From the moment I stepped out of my home and headed off to college I h

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it won't matter if his taxes ever come out.  it won't matter if his taxes don't ever come out.  you wanna know why?  because we already know what's in them. since early 2017 when people starting

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1 hour ago, Hookah Horns said:

How guillible can your co-worker be? Jeez Chrise.

I mean, 60 million people voted for a reality TV con man to be president.  If you weren't aware of the Babylon Bee and just saw that story tweeted real quick, is it that unlikely to be true on this horrid earth in 2020?

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9 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I mean, 60 million people voted for a reality TV con man to be president.  If you weren't aware of the Babylon Bee and just saw that story tweeted real quick, is it that unlikely to be true on this horrid earth in 2020?

Fair point, unfortunately. 

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5 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I am going to set up a gofundme for the IRS agent to be named later that is the first to leak dotard's taxes.  Target raise $50MM.

I'll handle everything for a very fair 10% admin fee.

hell, I'll do it for 1/100 that

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2 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Your preacher drove a ‘73 Camaro?  That’s bad ass. 

'twas all mine.  Well, I was buying it from my Dad, who bought it from my middle school social studies teacher for me to drive.  It was basically this car, but gross maroon, so he paid $2K for the car and spent $800 painting it bright red.  I loved that car.

Clean And Unmodified: 1973 Chevrolet Camaro LT

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2 minutes ago, plimon said:

SIAP...but holy fuck!

 

 

I can't believe I am saying this as I am posting on a political forum of a college football board in the middle of a work day, but people really do have too much time on their hands.

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5 hours ago, Ted Lange said:


 

1/57 STATES!

I mean I get that he is a moron, but if you really want to downplay the impact of this virus you should test as many people possible to get the denominator as high as possible and get the fatality rate from the virus as low as possible. Not testing actually makes the virus look much more deadly than it really is. I think a third grader would be able to figure that out.

 

is there any other country where the head of government and the heads of the departments of health and science are not on the same page with regards to how to deal with this virus? It is really stupefying to see. 

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but if you really want to downplay the impact of this virus you should test as many people possible to get the denominator as high as possible and get the fatality rate from the virus as low as possible

He was told there would be no maths.

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2 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

I, also, ANAL, so a question for someone WIAL, does this ruling free Trump's accounting firm to release documents or is the client privilege still apply?

I recall that Trump's accountants want to cooperate because they are subject to criminal proceedings. Does the fact that the transactions are criminal (in the judgment of the accountants) cancel that privilege?

I watched a lot of Law and Order, so I'm something of a lay expert on privilege law.

There is no "privilege" as between CPAs and their clients.  Meaning something inviolable absent waiver by the client.

There is confidentiality, which can be pierced without consent by law enforcement, among other entities including parties to a civil suit where the records are relevant.  That type of confidentiality is merely an "agremeent" or understanding between client and CPA, maybe a good business practice.

The act of subpoenaing client information from a CPA pierces that confidentiality.  Doesn't need to be shown to be part of criminal transaction or anything:  a law enforcement agency, and a party to a civil suit, are entitled to obtain accounting and financial records from a CPA or the party himself.  They in turn may have to agree to keep them confidential, but there's no barrier to obtaining them other than a valid court order or subpoena (relevance applies, but it's a loose standard).

Trump argued that executive privilege applied to invalidate the subpoena.  He was blown. out. of. the. water.

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13 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

There is no "privilege" as between CPAs and their clients.  Meaning something inviolable absent waiver by the client.

There is confidentiality, which can be pierced without consent by law enforcement, among other entities including parties to a civil suit where the records are relevant.  That type of confidentiality is merely an "agremeent" or understanding between client and CPA, maybe a good business practice.

The act of subpoenaing client information from a CPA pierces that confidentiality.  Doesn't need to be shown to be part of criminal transaction or anything:  a law enforcement agency, and a party to a civil suit, are entitled to obtain accounting and financial records from a CPA or the party himself.  They in turn may have to agree to keep them confidential, but there's no barrier to obtaining them other than a valid court order or subpoena (relevance applies, but it's a loose standard).

Trump argued that executive privilege applied to invalidate the subpoena.  He was blown. out. of. the. water.

Excellent points. 
 

So if the New York DA and the grand jury issue an indictment can the records be made public if they want to? You’re probably not a criminal lawyer but just thought I’d ask anyway. 

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Excellent points. 
 

So if the New York DA and the grand jury issue an indictment can the records be made public if they want to? You’re probably not a criminal lawyer but just thought I’d ask anyway. 

Usually, that sort of stuff would be subject to either a protective order by agreement or a court ordered one, at least in civil cases.

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Excellent points. 
 

So if the New York DA and the grand jury issue an indictment can the records be made public if they want to? You’re probably not a criminal lawyer but just thought I’d ask anyway. 

Dunno.  Depends on state law, I guess, and whether someone in Vance's office is willing to risk it.

I might assume, though, because it is grand jury information, that it would be cloaked with the usual secrecy of other grand jury stuff and that a DA's office might be pretty mad if grand jury secrecy was breached.

Harking back here to the redactions of the Mueller report based on Fed. R. Crim. P. 6 and grand jury secrecy.  I'm reasonably sure there is a NY state analog to Rule 6.  And there is, https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/criminal-procedure-law/cpl-sect-190-25.html:

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Grand jury proceedings are secret, and no grand juror, or other person specified in subdivision three of this section or section 215.70 of the penal law , may, except in the lawful discharge of his duties or upon written order of the court, disclose the nature or substance of any grand jury testimony, evidence, or any decision, result or other matter attending a grand jury proceeding.  For the purpose of assisting the grand jury in conducting its investigation, evidence obtained by a grand jury may be independently examined by the district attorney, members of his staff, police officers specifically assigned to the investigation, and such other persons as the court may specifically authorize.  Such evidence may not be disclosed to other persons without a court order.  Nothing contained herein shall prohibit a witness from disclosing his own testimony.

 

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There is no "privilege" as between CPAs and their clients.  Meaning something inviolable absent waiver by the client.

There is confidentiality, which can be pierced without consent by law enforcement, among other entities including parties to a civil suit where the records are relevant.  That type of confidentiality is merely an "agremeent" or understanding between client and CPA, maybe a good business practice.

The act of subpoenaing client information from a CPA pierces that confidentiality.  Doesn't need to be shown to be part of criminal transaction or anything:  a law enforcement agency, and a party to a civil suit, are entitled to obtain accounting and financial records from a CPA or the party himself.  They in turn may have to agree to keep them confidential, but there's no barrier to obtaining them other than a valid court order or subpoena (relevance applies, but it's a loose standard).

Trump argued that executive privilege applied to invalidate the subpoena.  He was blown. out. of. the. water.

And to answer your final question, RomaVicta, Trump has vowed to raise more bullshit in the district court in the Vance case.  I don't think the district court has any jurisdiction to do more at this point, so probably won't entertain anymore such bullshit.

On the Mazar's case, involving the House subpoenas, things are a little more involved and the SCOTUS order basically is to consider more bullshit, but Trump doesn't have a Kings X on subpoenas from the House.

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4 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

i don't think i'd ever seen anyone with an ankle monitor until a few weeks ago and now i've seen 2.  one was a dude hanging out at blanco state park, so i guess there aren't many restrictions.

That wasn’t an ankle monitor.  It was a first generation Fitbit.

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2 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

Holy shit, Cohen is even dumber than I thought. Or he's insane. 

 

I saw this too.  I don't get why he wouldn't be allowed to talk to the media.  He's already been convicted.  What's the issue here?  Would he not be able to do interviews in jail either?

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22 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I saw this too.  I don't get why he wouldn't be allowed to talk to the media.  He's already been convicted.  What's the issue here?  Would he not be able to do interviews in jail either?

Yeah none of it makes much sense to me. Maybe dotard trying to prevent another damaging book? 

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5 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

Dude...he took Matt Gaetz to the World Series instead of his own young son.   If my dad had 2 tickets to a world series game, I guarantee he would have chosen to take me over some dipshit from his office.

Maybe (wishful thinking here) Barron thinks so little of his dad that he doesn't want to be seen in public with him.

I'd imagine that Donnie never had any time for any of his kids when they were kids (and he seemingly only has time for two of his adult kids).

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The continued bleeding of Trump's approval numbers is a sight to behold. It just keeps going down.

Current 538 average is 40.1/55.9 among all polls.

40.1% approval is at it's lowest level in 17 months.

There is no precedent whatsoever for an incumbent to win with such a terrible net approval. He's much closer to Bush in July '92 (-17) than Bush July '04 (-0.8) or Obama July '12 (-0.3). 

 

 

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https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/trumps-impeachment-revenge-alexander-vindman-is-bullied-into-retiring

 

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It was an illusion. After Vindman’s testimony, Defense Secretary Mark Esper and Deputy Secretary of Defense David Norquist promised that the Department would protect Vindman from retaliation. That proved untrue. Two days after the Senate voted, on February 5th, to acquit Trump, the President fired Vindman. Trump also fired Vindman’s twin brother, Yevgeny, who worked as an ethics lawyer at the White House and held the same military rank. They were abruptly and unceremoniously escorted from the White House grounds.

 

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Vindman expected to go to the National War College this fall—a low-profile assignment—then take another foreign posting. But, in a final act of revenge, the White House recently made clear that Trump opposed Vindman’s promotion. Senior Administration officials told Esper and Ryan McCarthy, the Secretary of the Army, to dig for misconduct that would justify blocking Vindman’s promotion. They couldn’t find anything, multiple sources told me. Others in the military chain of command began to warn Vindman that he would never be deployable overseas again—despite his language skills and regional expertise.

 

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/trumps-impeachment-revenge-alexander-vindman-is-bullied-into-retiring

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I saw that.  Sad. 

I would have thought that outside the White House chain of command, he would have been pretty safe.

Also, just for the record, Donald John Trump is a petty little cunt.

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