Donald Trump 2020

[immamac 42850]

36 minutes ago, Blotto said:

I considered starting a new thread for election fuckery, but for now I will just post this here. The election is of little value in Trump's world. He is unhinged from reality, and exhibits gross dereliction of duty  on a daily basis now. While everybody is pointing gleefully at the polling data, what does it matter? Trump owns the Senate, the SC, and the DOJ. In addition, his campaign is already batting around the idea of appointing electors to bypass election results: 

Thats just one roadmap. People counting on the popular vote or even electoral vote to bail us out of  this mess will have a hell of a surprise. The people currently holding power are so far deep in this mess, they only have one option which is to keep digging. They aren't going to suddenly wake up on November 4th and develop a conscience. 

You guys have lost it. This is completely absurd and baseless. If you think that all 3 governing bodies are now just evil and doing one mans bidding then the country is no more and it will lose all recognition with other countries. 

If you think that, why have you not already renounced your citizenship and seeked asylum somewhere else? It's because you are fearmongering and you still believe that our democracy is a democracy, it just happens to be currently won by people who were voted in that suck pretty bad. If you really thought that this was all over already and the last election we will ever have was apparently 2012 now since 2016 was "robbed" and "stolen" from the american people, then you would be gone already.

Stop fear mongering, go vote get others to vote who think like you and then at the end of the day if your vote is counted and you lose, get the fuck over it that's how democracy works. Don't try and sell me the "holier than thou" trash that people aren't funneling money in from out of state to defeat Lindsey Graham and how "it's legal why shouldn't we do it?" comes into effect. It's all a fucking disaster and a shitshow when it comes to politics in this country that doesn't discount that votes actually get counted and that's how these people were put into power. Stop acting like there is widespread mail in voter fraud or that there is widespread voter fraud or election tampering at the ballot boxes. There are instances where software has been found to be controlled by outside entities, but it wasn't widespread and it didn't invalidate an entire elections worth of votes. 

Are you right to be concerned? Absofuckinglutely, but please for the sake of this board and for the sake of not embarassing yourselves any further stop this fear mongering trash that the world is out to fuck every american and votes no longer count.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

21 minutes ago, Blotto said:

Thats what is so infuriating. I understand why most people are just riding it out until November, because they have been conditioned to believe their entire lives that they can change things with their vote, that the will of the people plays an important role in the checks and balances of our government. Until it doesn't. 

Edit - and to be honest, I'm not sure what options we really have. Its an entire dumptruck of shit wildly careening down the highway in our direction and we are hemmed in on all sides. 

We vote in all the elections, and we spend a little time learning about the candidates. Granted, on a different level it can be harder to learn about a local person in some ways. Everybody serves on the Chamber of Commerce-what’s so special about you?

You all know the obstacles in the little local elections:money, connections, etc. 
 

‘What starts here changes the world.’ 
I’ve always liked that about your school. It’s a good motto. 

Typically, less than 10% of eligible voters cast a ballot in my town. 
That’s how the QAnon congresspeople get in the door. 

We’re voting on the front porch, but the bouncer is holding open the back door so the grifters can stroll right in. 

[Asithappens 974]

On 10/5/2020 at 9:10 AM, Horn Dog said:

If god was a person, and he was a parent, he would considered a shittier parent than a crack whore, and would at minimum be prosecuted for neglect, child endangerment and child abuse.  

Oh yeah, all this "loving god" crap the Christians spew forth is bogus.

Look at the Old Testament. God killed a lot more people than did Satan. 

The real god is nothing like that portrayed in the bible.

[Bateshorn 9927]

1 minute ago, Asithappens said:

Oh yeah, all this "loving god" crap the Christians spew forth is bogus.

Look at the Old Testament. God killed a lot more people than did Satan. 

The real god is nothing like that portrayed in the bible.

My son and I have this debate that in Blood Meridian, the Judge is actually God.  A maleviolent being intent on the misery of mankind. Tobin represents the devil: and ex priest/angel who has seen the true evil face of God and seeks to educate man (the Kid) to turn away. Of course, he ultimate fails, as man can never escape God.

[Pasken 1309]

2 minutes ago, Asithappens said:

Oh yeah, all this "loving god" crap the Christians spew forth is bogus.

Look at the Old Testament. God killed a lot more people than did Satan. 

The real god is nothing like that portrayed in the bible.

I don't think there was a Satan until the New Testament and then a few passages in the Old Testament were retconned to make it the same dude. We would be a lot better off if publishers would have rejected Revelations. What a terrible book.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

A lot of "Cousin Oliver"s at the end of the series.  7 heads and 10 horns monster?  Yeah, that fits thematically.

[TwiceHorn 31470]

18 hours ago, Tuco said:

I freakin love coal plants.  I know: it's nerdy weirdness.  It was what I was interested in working on coming out of college in '94.  I didn't find anything at that point, but seven years later I was able to get a job in the industry.  I think I've done work in every coal plant in a 100 mile radius, and even did some preliminary design for a Peabody plant that never went.  Sure, there were always environmental concerns, but they were all concerns that could be addressed with more investments and better engineering.  The back end systems (air quality control systems) grew to the point that they were roughly the size of the main part of the plant.  But, better engineering meant less pollution, so I did not have a problem working on them.  

Now, I can't.  There is really no way to get away from the fundamental chemistry that dictates the ratio between a BTU of  energy released and the CO2 that gets released with it.  Carbon capture on the scale needed for one of these plants? It's possible, but certainly less realistic than alternative energy options.  It's too bad.  They are beautiful dinosaurs.

 

I have this huge book published by Babcock & Wilcox entitled "STEAM."  All about the various uses of steam, boilers, etc.  

I, too, am an ME, actually earlier than you, but power generation generally was not on the table for Texas grads in the late 20th century.  Still, STEAM is a fascinating work.

[Biff Tannen 45685]

18 hours ago, Blotto said:

Speaking of coal....not directly Trump related, but this guy is one of Trump's dick suckers, so fuck him too.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/coal-ceo-robert-murray-files-black-lung-benefits-73369580

 

Lol, bye bitch.

[Brisketexan 105139]

4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I have this huge book published by Babcock & Wilcox entitled "STEAM."  All about the various uses of steam, boilers, etc.  

I, too, am an ME, actually earlier than you, but power generation generally was not on the table for Texas grads in the late 20th century.  Still, STEAM is a fascinating work.

I do some work that is tangentially related to the electric power industry from time to time.  I once had an expert put it in some real clear terms, and I've never forgotten it.  "Forget wind and solar -- maybe someday, but they are a tiny part of our mix.  The history of electric generation is this: we just find different ways to boil water."  That's what coal, natural gas, and nuclear energy do.  And that's by far the bulk of electric power generation, worldwide.

[tokamak 6430]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I do some work that is tangentially related to the electric power industry from time to time.  I once had an expert put it in some real clear terms, and I've never forgotten it.  "Forget wind and solar -- maybe someday, but they are a tiny part of our mix.  The history of electric generation is this: we just find different ways to boil water."  That's what coal, natural gas, and nuclear energy do.  And that's by far the bulk of electric power generation, worldwide.

I'm as green as they come. Why we haven't gone absolutely balls to the wall to develop safer and cheaper nuclear power plants and then build like 200 of the sumbitches is simply beyond me. Mind boggling. Yes, I understand that nuclear comes with some rather big risks. Still feel the same way.

That's for another thread, though.

[Pasken 1309]

15 minutes ago, tokamak said:

I'm as green as they come. Why we haven't gone absolutely balls to the wall to develop safer and cheaper nuclear power plants and then build like 200 of the sumbitches is simply beyond me. Mind boggling. Yes, I understand that nuclear comes with some rather big risks. Still feel the same way.

That's for another thread, though.

It's the up front costs that make that difficult. 

[Willfully Horn 8017]

41 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

My son and I have this debate that in Blood Meridian, the Judge is actually God.  A maleviolent being intent on the misery of mankind. Tobin represents the devil: and ex priest/angel who has seen the true evil face of God and seeks to educate man (the Kid) to turn away. Of course, he ultimate fails, as man can never escape God.

I’ve read similar thoughts on this subject on Quora, and find the discussion very interesting. But, there is a lively discussion on who, in our history, the Judge In the Glanton gang actually was.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/texashillcountry.com/monster-who-was-real-judge-holden/amp/

Edited October 6, 2020 by Willfully Horn
Fat fingers

[Chooky 13307]

Maliciously hoping someone would die is beneath me, but sometimes things just happen. Look, it is what it is. 

[4th&Five 41551]

They are definitely beating the Dems all day long in Covid cases.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33870]

nsiap. yikes

 

[Captainant 27667]

31 minutes ago, tokamak said:

I'm as green as they come. Why we haven't gone absolutely balls to the wall to develop safer and cheaper nuclear power plants and then build like 200 of the sumbitches is simply beyond me. Mind boggling. Yes, I understand that nuclear comes with some rather big risks. Still feel the same way.

That's for another thread, though.

Here's why:

If you like learning about nuclear power and its technical, safety, and economic considerations, IllinoisEnergyProf is a great youtube subscribe

[BrickHorn 18234]

42 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

My son and I have this debate that in Blood Meridian, the Judge is actually God.  A maleviolent being intent on the misery of mankind. Tobin represents the devil: and ex priest/angel who has seen the true evil face of God and seeks to educate man (the Kid) to turn away. Of course, he ultimate fails, as man can never escape God.

I like that take. I personally think the Judge is the embodiment of mankind’s fundamentally evil nature. 

But as I’ve aged and seen more clearly the capacity of mankind to do horrible things in the name of an authoritarian, capricious God, I’ve come to see the Satan character as you describe him: a misunderstood whistle-blower. His sin is opposing God. But if God is evil, isn’t that “sin” a virtue?

[HenryJames 66052]

 

[wildcat09 29354]

1 hour ago, immamac said:

You guys have lost it. This is completely absurd and baseless. If you think that all 3 governing bodies are now just evil and doing one mans bidding then the country is no more and it will lose all recognition with other countries. 

If you think that, why have you not already renounced your citizenship and seeked asylum somewhere else? It's because you are fearmongering and you still believe that our democracy is a democracy, it just happens to be currently won by people who were voted in that suck pretty bad. If you really thought that this was all over already and the last election we will ever have was apparently 2012 now since 2016 was "robbed" and "stolen" from the american people, then you would be gone already.

Stop fear mongering, go vote get others to vote who think like you and then at the end of the day if your vote is counted and you lose, get the fuck over it that's how democracy works. Don't try and sell me the "holier than thou" trash that people aren't funneling money in from out of state to defeat Lindsey Graham and how "it's legal why shouldn't we do it?" comes into effect. It's all a fucking disaster and a shitshow when it comes to politics in this country that doesn't discount that votes actually get counted and that's how these people were put into power. Stop acting like there is widespread mail in voter fraud or that there is widespread voter fraud or election tampering at the ballot boxes. There are instances where software has been found to be controlled by outside entities, but it wasn't widespread and it didn't invalidate an entire elections worth of votes. 

Are you right to be concerned? Absofuckinglutely, but please for the sake of this board and for the sake of not embarassing yourselves any further stop this fear mongering trash that the world is out to fuck every american and votes no longer count.

You can't reasonably say it's baseless when we've already got reporting from Republican officials who on record are contemplating ways to get states that vote for Biden to cast their electors for Trump anyway.  As a practical matter, it will be very hard for them to do so in most states. Every state already has laws in place casting their electors for the winner of the popular vote within the state, so new laws would need to be passed very quickly. Pennsylvania is effectively out, as the GOP doesn't have a trifecta there. But it does in Arizona, Texas, Florida, Ohio, and Georgia. That means it's not impossible. However, Congress still has to certify the electoral vote count in a joint session so if there are any obvious shenanigans the Dems can object to the certification. If that happens I'm not really sure what would be next.

They're investigating every possible avenue to steal the election but the most obvious one is the Supreme Court, which has already intervened with no legal justification in a Presidential election before. But their actual ability to steal the election depends on their ability to convincingly dispute vote counts and raise enough confusion and it will be hard for them to do so if the results resemble current polling.

[Bateshorn 9927]

11 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

I like that take. I personally think the Judge is the embodiment of mankind’s fundamentally evil nature. 

But as I’ve aged and seen more clearly the capacity of mankind to do horrible things in the name of an authoritarian, capricious God, I’ve come to see the Satan character as you describe him: a misunderstood whistle-blower. His sin is opposing God. But if God is evil, isn’t that “sin” a virtue?

As an Episcopalian, my expertise on sin is limited to divorce; Boy#1, OTOH, having been to a Benedictine school, could talk this all day long. \

Your point does make me think about how all of us need to be better humanists, which I like to use a qoute from Carl Sagan:

Quote

Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.

The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand.

It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.

 

[Mo Horn 8841]

 He's making up for lost Twitter time. I'm guessing he's stuck in bed and is bored. 

[Guest Lobo]

“ nobody that’s a leader would not do what I did“.  
 

I don’t know how Rex Kramer jerks off to quotes like that but kudos

[Brandywine 1316]

1 hour ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

nsiap. yikes

 

Sorry, but sounds kinda Lindsey Graham to me, if you know what I mean. Not like there's anything wrong with that.

Edited October 6, 2020 by Brandywine

[Eskimohorn 5635]

I'm as green as they come. Why we haven't gone absolutely balls to the wall to develop safer and cheaper nuclear power plants and then build like 200 of the sumbitches is simply beyond me. Mind boggling. Yes, I understand that nuclear comes with some rather big risks. Still feel the same way.
That's for another thread, though.

Someone like Rick Perry could be in charge again. The pandemic and global warming has revealed that many in this country will easily let others assume the risks as long as they can get theirs.

[4th&Five 41551]

 

[Blotto 23509]

2 hours ago, immamac said:

You guys have lost it. This is completely absurd and baseless. If you think that all 3 governing bodies are now just evil and doing one mans bidding then the country is no more and it will lose all recognition with other countries. 

If you think that, why have you not already renounced your citizenship and seeked asylum somewhere else? It's because you are fearmongering and you still believe that our democracy is a democracy, it just happens to be currently won by people who were voted in that suck pretty bad. If you really thought that this was all over already and the last election we will ever have was apparently 2012 now since 2016 was "robbed" and "stolen" from the american people, then you would be gone already.

Stop fear mongering, go vote get others to vote who think like you and then at the end of the day if your vote is counted and you lose, get the fuck over it that's how democracy works. Don't try and sell me the "holier than thou" trash that people aren't funneling money in from out of state to defeat Lindsey Graham and how "it's legal why shouldn't we do it?" comes into effect. It's all a fucking disaster and a shitshow when it comes to politics in this country that doesn't discount that votes actually get counted and that's how these people were put into power. Stop acting like there is widespread mail in voter fraud or that there is widespread voter fraud or election tampering at the ballot boxes. There are instances where software has been found to be controlled by outside entities, but it wasn't widespread and it didn't invalidate an entire elections worth of votes. 

Are you right to be concerned? Absofuckinglutely, but please for the sake of this board and for the sake of not embarassing yourselves any further stop this fear mongering trash that the world is out to fuck every american and votes no longer count.

There is no need to argue what will happen in the future because it will soon play out before out eyes. I never thought I would see a scenario where the sitting president of the United States would 100% try to undermine the legitimacy of our election process (because he knows he is going to lose). I never thought I would hear the President of the United States say its important he get his judges on the Supreme Court because he will have to challenge the votes. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/23/us/elections/trump-supreme-court-election-day.html

Quote

“I think this will end up in the Supreme Court,” Mr. Trump told reporters at a White House event on social media, adopting an argument for quick action made by his ally, Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas. “And I think it’s very important that we have nine justices,” instead of the eight seats currently filled.

The president again asserted without evidence that Democrats were trying to rig the election and said he wants a high court that will agree with him. “This scam that the Democrats are pulling — it’s a scam — the scam will be before the United States Supreme Court,” Mr. Trump said.

Five of the eight current court members were appointed by Republican presidents, including two by Mr. Trump. Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., who was appointed by former President George W. Bush, has on a few occasions sided with the liberals, which could potentially mean a 4-4 split.

Mr. Trump made clear he is counting on whomever he appoints for Justice Ginsburg’s seat to support him and that he wants to be declared the winner by an overwhelming majority if the results go to the Supreme Court.

They aren't even being subtle about it. What you see as fearmongering, I see as a legitimate concern because we have a president telling us  exactly what the fuck he is going to do. And recent current events tell us that whatever he wants to do, he gets cover from both the Senate and the DOJ. 

And fuck off with this "why haven't you denounced your citizenship bullshit." 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

1 hour ago, Bateshorn said:

 which I like to use a qoute from Carl Sagan:

Interrupting long enough to say much rep to you. Big Carl Sagan fan.

[Brisketexan 105139]

10 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Interrupting long enough to say much rep to you. Big Carl Sagan fan.

Carl Sagan?  You mean "egghead deep state libtard pussy," right?  Seriously, if we've learned anything, we've learned that anyone who deviates from the message of "Trump is a God, WOOHOO, MAGA!" is a deep state libtard pussy.  Duh.

[SydneyCarton 48106]

 

2 hours ago, Chooky said:

Maliciously hoping someone would die is beneath me, but sometimes things just happen. Look, it is what it is. 

 

What if you're hoping someone die not necessarily out of malice, but because it's a mercy? Say, you know, a mercy to the people of the united states, democracy, and the entire free world?

 

 

[DDD Dad 14339]

Carl Sagan?  You mean "egghead deep state libtard pussy," right?  Seriously, if we've learned anything, we've learned that anyone who deviates from the message of "Trump is a God, WOOHOO, MAGA!" is a deep state libtard pussy.  Duh.

You left out “socialist”. /tedturner

[RPM 26321]

Coastie Commandant isn't a JCS member.

The commandant of the Coast Guard is not a de jure member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff but is sometimes regarded as a de facto member, being entitled to the same supplemental pay as the Joint Chiefs, and occasionally attending meetings of the JCS by invitation. Unlike the Joint Chiefs, who are not actually in the military's operational chain of command, the commandant is both the administrative and the operational commander of the service.

IOW, he gets to hang out with the cool kids when they invite him. That usually happens when liquor stock runs low.

[4th&Five 41551]

 

 

 

 

Edited October 6, 2020 by 4th&Five

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

 

[RPM 26321]

[Nope 3114]

Extorting the electorate to own the libs

[Biff Tannen 45685]

4 minutes ago, RPM said:

Sweet fucking christ, I hope this isn't their new tagline.  Absolute.  Fucking.  Carnival.  Barking.  Con Artists.

[RPM 26321]

2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Sweet fucking christ, I hope this isn't their new tagline.  Absolute.  Fucking.  Carnival.  Barking.  Con Artists.

Buckle up buttercup.

[immamac 42850]

50 minutes ago, Blotto said:

There is no need to argue what will happen in the future because it will soon play out before out eyes. I never thought I would see a scenario where the sitting president of the United States would 100% try to undermine the legitimacy of our election process (because he knows he is going to lose). I never thought I would hear the President of the United States say its important he get his judges on the Supreme Court because he will have to challenge the votes. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/23/us/elections/trump-supreme-court-election-day.html

They aren't even being subtle about it. What you see as fearmongering, I see as a legitimate concern because we have a president telling us  exactly what the fuck he is going to do. And recent current events tell us that whatever he wants to do, he gets cover from both the Senate and the DOJ. 

And fuck off with this "why haven't you denounced your citizenship bullshit." 

lol you give his words power. They have none and I'm the fucking delusional one?

So you aren't cool with any of this stuff that is "going to happen" what happens after it happens? What's your plan then?

[RPM 26321]

Now imagine Trump was black.

[henrygandorf 29191]

12 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

 

 

 

we won't know the results of this completely fraudulent election for weeks, months, or even years, but don't worry, immediately after i win, i will make sure we pass a stimulus package to help save the country.

i don't like this plan.  i love this plan.

[Guest Lobo]

13 minutes ago, RPM said:

 

The commandant of the Coast Guard is not a de jure member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

Trump:  "Excuse me, Flo?  Who is the 'De Jure' member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff?"  

"He's the Commandant of the Coast Guard, and handles the 'Nuclear Football'."  

Trump:  "Hmmm...that sounds good.  Let me give him Covid-19."  

[4th&Five 41551]

 

Edited October 6, 2020 by 4th&Five

[Mo Horn 8841]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

2 hours ago, Chooky said:

Maliciously hoping someone would die is beneath me, but sometimes things just happen. Look, it is what it is. 

People be like, “I would never wish death on anyone but I do support the death penalty!” 

[sachick 1189]

I don''t him stopping stimulus package talks is not going to help him at all. At least give the impression your trying to negotiate. There are a lot of people out there who are losing their businesses and can't pay rent and Trump just told them nothing will come to help them until after the November election. When he will still have to negotiate with Pelosi. Where can I go read what the sticking point is? What are the democrats wanting to give the big bad democratic run cities?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Trump is trying to declare victory on the virus. This appears to be his closing argument going into the election. 

[Chooky 13307]

43 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

 

 

What if you're hoping someone die not necessarily out of malice, but because it's a mercy? Say, you know, a mercy to the people of the united states, democracy, and the entire free world?

 

 

There's poetry to that as well. Trump's first sacrifice to the country was involuntary but still self-applied through folly.

[G650 14256]

32 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

 

 

 

This is absolutely bizarre.

[SizzleChest 8284]

8 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Trump is trying to declare victory on the virus. This appears to be his closing argument going into the election. 

It's almost like he's trying.......to lose.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

1 minute ago, SizzleChest said:

It's almost like he's trying.......to lose.

I say this to myself everyday.  My conclusion is he’s a habitual failure. He’s failed upward his entire life. It’s in his DNA to be a fuck up.