Donald Trump 2020

[Neonmoon 38127]

Haha that man is a true American. 
 

fuck those cowards 

Edited November 23, 2020 by Neonmoon

[SaucyJack 3487]

36 minutes ago, Mez2 said:

Donald Trump can get butt fucked with a cactus condom from now to eternity by satan himself because fuck that bitch

Environmentally friendly, too.

 

[kopp0e 1135]

2 hours ago, tantric superman said:

Yeah.  Kind of like some of you all felt when our country was a slave-holding country and all that emancipation bullshit was starting to gain strength.

What grouping is "you all"..? Meh, nevermind, I'm not here to bash anyone's point of view, but oil/ energy is a pretty big deal in Oklahoma & Texas, that's all...

[staboner 4957]

2 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

Fucking feckless cowardly cucks.
 

[RomaVicta 29781]

2 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

Fucking feckless cowardly cucks.
 

It's weird to watch the Republicans start playing the finesse game that the Dems never manage to pull off. The Iraq invasion is a great example of them sorta backing the invasion and sorta not. Pathetic.

Now these GOPs are trying to stay good with Trump (out of fear) while trying to get on the record somewhere that they never really liked Trump. I believe that's speaking out of both sides of your mouth. This shit never works. It's legalistic bullshit.

Senator, you never opposed Donald Trump, did not vote to convice when he was impeached, and never spoke publicly other than to praise him. How to do you think this affect future elections for you.

Well, Bob, don't forget the time I whispered to a reporter that I wasn't down with Trump.

Idiotic. Most of them are fucked; they should at least try to be decent. That is, if they're not hoping to find a way to stay out of jail.

[Mole 4320]

3 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

Fucking feckless cowardly cucks.
 

Cool. That sure sounds like enough to remove a president and minimize the continued destruction. True patriots. 

[HenryJames 65889]

 

[Chooky 13302]

Donny caught on that many of the absentee ballots from military personnel didn't support him and now he resents them for not respecting his sacrifice and service.

[TwiceHorn 31268]

14 hours ago, kopp0e said:

I think on the issue of Paris Accord, (being from a oil-energy backed state) I kinda see Trump's point on this... [At least it 'feels" that way]...

 

Yeah, that's a terrible take.

You could argue, with some legitimacy, that the Paris Accord will have the effect of the US disadvantaging itself relative to third world polluters, but designed to ruin our economy is dumbshit shit.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19093]

Yeah, that's a terrible take.
You could argue, with some legitimacy, that the Paris Accord will have the effect of the US disadvantaging itself relative to third world polluters, but designed to ruin our economy is dumbshit shit.

Agreed. The Paris Accord wasn't that great (no mechanism to enforce targets and WAY too much give to China), but it wasn't designed to ruin the US economy.

[mdmost 42860]

I've never understood the Right's anger over being asked to do something about climate change. We all breathe the same air. We all live on this rock and need to do our part to ensure it's here for future generations. We could lead the world in alternate fuels and technologies. Yet, we're just worried about keeping what's ours and in no one want to be forced to sacrifice for the collective good. I'm thankful Biden will put us back in line with how the rest of the world would like to tackle climate change. 

Edited November 23, 2020 by mdmost

[immamac 42516]

22 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I've never understood the Right's anger over being asked to do something about climate change. We all breathe the same air. We all live on this rock and need to do our part to ensure it's here for future generations. We could lead the world in alternate fuels and technologies. Yet, we're just worried about keeping what's ours and in no one want to be forced to sacrifice for the collective good. I'm thankful Biden will put us back in line with how the rest of the world would like to tackle climate change. 

It's probably because assholes like you say "the Right's anger" - instead of talking about the real problems you just call them stupid and further alienate the people who don't understand the policy decisions and are making them based on anger and fear that they have been fed by their echo chamber. 

People don't think that alternative energy is bad, but they think losing their job or their friends job or whatever is bad. They can't understand that there is a natural transition for energy companies to go from trash out of the ground to other energy sources. It's also pretty helpful that the large megacorporations pay for broad sweeping propoganda campaigns that fight all of this stuff as "we will go out of business if that happens!" when really they will just not be able to profiteer as much as they have been. 10 million dollar bonuses turn into 1 million dollar bonuses and everyone knows that is unacceptable.

[mdmost 42860]

You really love to come guns blazing on people in here all the while acting like we should elevate the dialogue and you're so above all this. You're no better than people you call assholes. Nowhere did I call them stupid and I absolutely understand the fear that jobs will go away. There is odd anger and denial on the right over climate change and we should be leading the world in a quest to fight it, as we do most problems. You might want to look a bit inward since you seem to love to come in here every now and then and take a flamethrower to people. You do it quite frequently.  

Edited November 23, 2020 by mdmost

[RomaVicta 29781]

5 minutes ago, immamac said:

It's probably because assholes like you say "the Right's anger" - instead of talking about the real problems

No offense because I fear the power of the Man, but who can spot the irony here? 

The right's anger is part of the right's hate engine. It is the central problem with our country and second in the World only to addressing climate change. The right's anger was cultivated to preserve the power of the GOP and is based on lies and uncivil discourse. The GOP never planned for a failed, sociopathic bumbler to join them behind the curtain and then trip over his own excessive neckware only to pull the curtain down as he tries to save himself. 

They got the wrong sociopath, and he stole their reins. 

[WhatTheBuck 28708]

50 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I've never understood the Right's anger over being asked to do something about climate change. We all breathe the same air. We all live on this rock and need to do our part to ensure it's here for future generations. We could lead the world in alternate fuels and technologies. Yet, we're just worried about keeping what's ours and in no one want to be forced to sacrifice for the collective good. I'm thankful Biden will put us back in line with how the rest of the world would like to tackle climate change. 

The GOP is a wholly owned subsidiary of the fossil fuel industry. 

[Neonmoon 38127]

this seems relevant

 

[wildcat09 29234]

1 hour ago, mdmost said:

I've never understood the Right's anger over being asked to do something about climate change. We all breathe the same air. We all live on this rock and need to do our part to ensure it's here for future generations. We could lead the world in alternate fuels and technologies. Yet, we're just worried about keeping what's ours and in no one want to be forced to sacrifice for the collective good. I'm thankful Biden will put us back in line with how the rest of the world would like to tackle climate change. 

A significant percentage of the right is eagerly looking forward to the apocalypse. Trying to preserve and extend our ability to survive on earth goes completely against what they want.

[jimmyjazz 45554]

The vast majority of covid deniers are part of "the right".  @immamacwill likely disagree, but high degrees of intelligence aren't exactly common on that side of the aisle.

[jimmyjazz 45554]

17 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

The GOP is a wholly owned subsidiary of the fossil fuel industry. 

I think it's more of a joint venture between energy & defense.

[immamac 42516]

I was simply explaining since the post started with "I never understood..." I was giving you context and not in a "you are an asshole and I am not" lecturing tone. I am definitely "an assholes like you".  Simply the fact that we all call them stupid, laugh at them for being stupid makes them crawl deeper into their sanctuary of people that tell them they aren't stupid in their echo chamber further radicalizing themselves. Does that mean we stop doing it? No, but we have to try something else in addition to it.

This has very little to do with intelligence and more to do with wanting to feel acceptance from people who don't have a high self-confidence or lack self-awareness to the point where they can't even identify the source of their frustration/sadness/anger. I'd say it has a lot more to do with being raised to not be self-sufficient than it does with overall intelligence. 

People want to feel like they belong. Belonging to "the right" is such a privilege now because if you aren't we hate you and you are the problem. It has absolutely nothing to do with policy or politics anymore, we are in a full on mental health crisis and we keep blaming intellect or lack there of on it.

[jimmyjazz 45554]

If a person denies climate change and the existence of coronavirus, they are either stupid, or worse.  I'm very comfortable with that conclusion.  They cannot be reached with reason, so fuck 'em.

[Continental Op 3934]

Go over to the oil barons thread on DT, present facts about global warming and alternatives to fossil fuel in a dispassionate manner, and let us know what kind of response you get.  

[immamac 42516]

3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

If a person denies climate change and the existence of coronavirus, they are either stupid, or worse.  I'm very comfortable with that conclusion.  They cannot be reached with reason, so fuck 'em.

okay so you are acknowledging the problem exists, and that you are just pushing them further away from any type of remediation and "they can fuck themselves" but them fucking themselves also fucks you. 

Who's the stupid one in this scenario? just them? both of you?

[SydneyCarton 47872]

12 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

If a person denies climate change and the existence of coronavirus, they are either stupid, or worse.  I'm very comfortable with that conclusion.  They cannot be reached with reason, so fuck 'em.

While my instincts are the same as yours in every regard, that doesn't heal shit. 70 million people voted for them. Many are being radicalized. Unless something additional is done, all any of us are doing is making the situation worse and further radicalizing and marginalizing and the cycle doesn't end. Until what, enough of the older ones die and hopefully aren't replaced? If that's your end game, well, guess what, the planet will be irreversibly fucked by climate change by then, and climate change was your initial gripe. 

They may be stupid, but like it or not their vote counts as much as yours, so unless youre willing to go full on Brisket and gleefully engage in a civil war against the stupid or figure out another way to reach out to these people, then your planet is fucked. If you're a nihilist who just wants to watch the world burn, well, then in that case congratulations, you just found something that you and the evangelical christians have in common and can bond over!

Much like the one responsible kid who does the entire group project's work because they want a good grade and it to be done right, being the Adult is exhausting. Its frustrating. It's infuriating. It is thankless. But if the alternative is everyone fails, including you, and you don't get your grade and diploma, well, what are you going to do? 

 

 

Edited November 23, 2020 by SydneyCarton

[immamac 42516]

1 minute ago, Continental Op said:

Go over to the oil barons thread on DT, present facts about global warming and alternatives to fossil fuel in a dispassionate manner, and let us know what kind of response you get.  

brb

[Neonmoon 38127]

I forgot where it was posted, or what show it aired, but it was about how to get someone out of a cult. The person said they just reminding that person who they used to be before the cult, and what they were like. Any attempt to tell them they are wrong or stupid was just met with greater resistance. 

So to combat the cultist, you just how to remind them they used to believe in Democracy, in law and order, right and wrong, etc over and over again. 

[SydneyCarton 47872]

Just now, immamac said:

okay so you are acknowledging the problem exists, and that you are just pushing them further away from any type of remediation and "they can fuck themselves" but them fucking themselves also fucks you. 

Who's the stupid one in this scenario? just them? both of you?

While I enjoy your succinctness and, obviously, getting to tacitly call JimmyJazz an intellectual fascist, I believe my post would be a better example of the kind of moderate extended olive branch these kind of situations call for, sir. 

[Biff Tannen 45492]

9 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

I forgot where it was posted, or what show it aired, but it was about how to get someone out of a cult. The person said they just reminding that person who they used to be before the cult, and what they were like. Any attempt to tell them they are wrong or stupid was just met with greater resistance. 

So to combat the cultist, you just how to remind them they used to believe in Democracy, in law and order, right and wrong, etc over and over again. 

I think the problem here is that they will fight back saying YOU'RE the one who doesn't believe in Democracy, law and order, and right and wrong.  They turn it 180 degrees from reality.

[jimmyjazz 45554]

8 minutes ago, immamac said:

okay so you are acknowledging the problem exists, and that you are just pushing them further away from any type of remediation and "they can fuck themselves" but them fucking themselves also fucks you. 

Who's the stupid one in this scenario? just them? both of you?

You can't push someone further than 100% away.  I think the better use of one's energy is to reach out to the huge number of Americans who are merely apathetic.

[Bama Chick 28596]

The absolute lunacy.

[Huckleberry 32699]

10 hours ago, kopp0e said:

What grouping is "you all"..? Meh, nevermind, I'm not here to bash anyone's point of view, but oil/ energy is a pretty big deal in Oklahoma & Texas, that's all...

If you weren't dumb you would realize that alternative energy is energy. Then your big brain might realize that energy companies will be the leading money makers when it comes to alternative energy. Nobody else is as well-positioned to take in the dollars associated with a global energy shift as the energy companies. 

Unlike immamac I am all aboard the #MISA train. Make Ignorance Shameful Again. 

Edited November 23, 2020 by Huckleberry

[Brisketexan 104588]

3 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

The absolutely on-brand and predictable.
 

FIFaccuracy.

There is no GOP anymore.  None.  That body you see, that LOOKS like the old GOP?  It's just a husk.  It is completely occupied by Trumpism, a "philosophy" that is based on the single foundation of "whatever Trump wants."

You see Donald Sutherland and think "cool, Donald Sutherland!"  No.  It's not him.  It's all body snatcher....

[ConferenceRoom 6130]

To be fair I'd try to snatch Brooke Adams' body too. 

[tx 3 putt 76346]

58 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

this seems relevant

 

didn’t he bang an Olsen twin ?

[immamac 42516]

10 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

If you weren't dumb you would realize that alternative energy is energy. Then your big brain might realize that energy companies will be the leading money makers when it comes to alternative energy. Nobody else is as well-positioned to take in the dollars associated with a global energy shift as the energy companies. 

Unlike immamac I am all aboard the #MISA train. Make Ignorance Shameful Again. 

I'm still very much on that train, but after the shame you have to help people do less shameful.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

1 hour ago, immamac said:

It's probably because assholes like you say "the Right's anger" - instead of talking about the real problems you just call them stupid and further alienate the people who don't understand the policy decisions and are making them based on anger and fear that they have been fed by their echo chamber. 

what a complete fucking garbage take. jesus.

[Gatorubet 30088]

didn’t he bang an Olsen twin ?

That or a medical skeleton. He was drunk.

[immamac 42516]

3 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

what a complete fucking garbage take. jesus.

what's your take? These people are just dummies and they will go away if we yell at them hard enough?

 

[Brisketexan 104588]

1 minute ago, immamac said:

what's your take? These people are just dummies and they will go away if we yell at them hard enough?

 

No.  They are stupid.  And they're never going away.  In fact, they've found a way to coalesce and control power, and they're just fine with destroying our democratic institutions if that's what it takes.

Thus, the ledge.

[Mole 4320]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

this seems relevant

 

So the operative part of this tweet is EX head of state? Because, otherwise, he ain’t the first French head of state to stand trial...

 

Edited November 23, 2020 by Mole

[Gatorubet 30088]

You can't push someone further than 100% away.  I think the better use of one's energy is to reach out to the huge number of Americans who are merely apathetic.

Like telling people throwing rocks at school busses full of black kids ending segregation they were misguided racist fucks. You waste your breath telling them they are fucked up haters. (“Now, now Cletus, watch this diversity presentation and repudiate your core upbringing/values...um, ok?”)

You try to educate the others who might hear - and the young - and hope Cletus dies off eventually. Cletus won’t listen to your libtard socialist, fake news bullshit. In the interim, shame him.

[TXSG8R 3360]

49 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

I forgot where it was posted, or what show it aired, but it was about how to get someone out of a cult. The person said they just reminding that person who they used to be before the cult, and what they were like. Any attempt to tell them they are wrong or stupid was just met with greater resistance. 

So to combat the cultist, you just how to remind them they used to believe in Democracy, in law and order, right and wrong, etc over and over again. 

So what do you do with the people that were raised to disbelieve science?  The cult isn't always some post HS bullshit they fell into.  A large swathe of these people were raised in it from birth.  

[Degenerate Gardner 4081]

13 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Like telling people throwing rocks at school busses full of black kids ending segregation they were misguided racist fucks. You waste your breath telling them they are fucked up haters. (“Now, now Cletus, watch this diversity presentation and repudiate your core upbringing/values...um, ok?”)

You try to educate the others who might hear - and the young - and hope Cletus dies off eventually. Cletus won’t listen to your libtard socialist, fake news bullshit. In the interim, shame him.

You must first possess the capacity to be ashamed for shaming to work.

After observing Trump enablers over the last 4 years, I've got some bad news for you...

[jimmyjazz 45554]

Most people haven't done any science beyond basic HS stuff.  They have no idea how difficult it can be to control external variables, run statistical analysis, refine a hypothesis, etc.  They may not be raised "anti-science", but when they see policies change as scientists learn more about an issue, it pisses them off, because they think it means the scientists are unskilled.  In reality, most of them are just doing the work.  Throw in some good old-fashioned right wing mind control and here we are.

[Guest Lobo]

1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

didn’t he bang an Olsen twin ?

Based on the case against him, he obviously banged the one with a chatty fucking mouth on her.  

[RomaVicta 29781]

 

3 hours ago, mdmost said:

I've never understood the Right's anger over being asked to do something about climate change. We all breathe the same air. We all live on this rock and need to do our part to ensure it's here for future generations. We could lead the world in alternate fuels and technologies. Yet, we're just worried about keeping what's ours and in no one want to be forced to sacrifice for the collective good. I'm thankful Biden will put us back in line with how the rest of the world would like to tackle climate change. 

 

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

While my instincts are the same as yours in every regard, that doesn't heal shit. 70 million people voted for them. Many are being radicalized. Unless something additional is done, all any of us are doing is making the situation worse and further radicalizing and marginalizing and the cycle doesn't end. Until what, enough of the older ones die and hopefully aren't replaced? If that's your end game, well, guess what, the planet will be irreversibly fucked by climate change by then, and climate change was your initial gripe. 

They may be stupid, but like it or not their vote counts as much as yours, so unless youre willing to go full on Brisket and gleefully engage in a civil war against the stupid or figure out another way to reach out to these people, then your planet is fucked. If you're a nihilist who just wants to watch the world burn, well, then in that case congratulations, you just found something that you and the evangelical christians have in common and can bond over!

Much like the one responsible kid who does the entire group project's work because they want a good grade and it to be done right, being the Adult is exhausting. Its frustrating. It's infuriating. It is thankless. But if the alternative is everyone fails, including you, and you don't get your grade and diploma, well, what are you going to do? 

 

 

Putting these posts together suggests to me that this discussion has become assymetrical.

mdmost's post isn't the least inflammatory as far as I can judge. Immamac's initial response suggest that it so and, as such, counterproductive. The discussions drifts into a discussion of civility while still referencing mdmost's post.

I agree that we should be as civil as we can without captitulating to Trumpist GOPs and GOPs too hidebound to abandon their NFL Team political party.

I also agree with every word of mdmost's post and see it as an honest take well expressed.

I suppose a third front has opened up as well discussing the stupidity of people who refuse to recognize science regarding plague and climate. There would not even be argument if not for the willfully ignorant and profoundly selfish opposition.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

1 hour ago, immamac said:

what's your take? These people are just dummies and they will go away if we yell at them hard enough?

 

he did absolutely nothing you accused him of in your post. it was as if you just picked a post at random and started yelling at that poster.

but my take? they're complete fucking idiots that have zero desire to even remotely consider things like truth and facts. trying to convince them you are right and they are wrong is a complete waste of time. go and try it and report back. but uh, maybe work on not doing the exact thing you are accusing others of doing before you execute your plan.

[RomaVicta 29781]

1 hour ago, Bama Chick said:

The absolute lunacy.
 

Therein lies the rub for the Repubs. Trump doesn't have to control it all to control it all.

[Brisketexan 104588]

5 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Therein lies the rub for the Repubs. Trump doesn't have to control it all to control it all.

Bingo.

Look at those numbers.  Then ask the simple question -- can a GOP candidate win a high-profile office WITHOUT pledging fealty to the man who commands absolute loyalty of 1/3 of your base -- when you need EVERY vote from your base?

Trump is therefore one of two things: king, or kingmaker.  There is no king without Trump on the throne, or blessing whoever might ascend to the throne.  There is no GOP.  Only Trump.

 

That the GOP has become nothing but a cult of personality is one level of horrific.....that it has become a cult of personality worshipping perhaps the worst human being on the planet.....well, that's levels down of horrific that even Dante didn't think of.

Edited November 23, 2020 by Brisketexan

[A-Tex Devil 2445]

6 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Therein lies the rub for the Repubs. Trump doesn't have to control it all to control it all.

Agreed.  To beat Trump, the GOP is going to have to put up their version of Hilary that the rest of the base is consolidated behind.  Obviously 10-12 people think they are that person which is why we'll probably be running this election back in 2024.  I think all of Nikki Haley, Tim Scott, Rick Scott, Mike Pence, Rubio, Dan Crenshaw, and probably a half dozen I'm forgetting (including several current governors) believe in their head they fit that bill.