Donald Trump 2020

[Neonmoon 38,130]

21 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Weird how Trump’s every move with respect to international policy seems to benefit Russia

It is weird. If only there was some way to solve this impossible mystery 

[Red Five 40,877]

9 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

It is weird. If only there was some way to solve this impossible mystery 

We should very superficially look into this. Like without even looking at his finances or questioning him. And make it last for years. 

[4th&Five 41,571]

 

[RPM 26,328]

1 hour ago, Chooky said:

It really is stunning that this isn't being explained on a thorough level.  I say that as I too have giggled about the Randy Quaid nonsense distraction.  

 

 

WTF isn't this getting more coverage? Can't Congress do something to stop this?

[Mole 4,333]

2 hours ago, totallynotabuttpirate said:

Florida-Georgia is my favorite band. I think they edge out the Highwaymen as the best country group ever.

-tjhooker

Team Luke Bryan .

[shakahorn 1,645]

I don’t think OAN has official credentials. They attend presidential press conferences as ‘guests of the administration’ or something like that.

[bluto 4,934]

I don’t think OAN has official credentials. They attend presidential press conferences as ‘guests of the administration’ or something like that.

Hence why Chanel doesn’t have a seat and just stands along the wall with her coffee cup spouting off stupid shit

[RDCanecutter 26,458]

2 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

um, this open skies abandonment should be bigger news. does the military say "nah" on destroying the planes? are they seriously going to do that?

Should we have a "shit trump is destroying on his way out" thread?

They probably want some new planes anyway.

[TommyGufano 6,021]

3 hours ago, conVINCEd said:

He likes big numbers.  If I created something called Trump’s Really Awesome Index Totally Obstructing Reality and it was 200,000  I would probably get a retweet.

200k isn't a sacred number, you fool

[RPM 26,328]

Just now, RDCanecutter said:

They probably want some new planes anyway.

I'm sure Putin has the full specs on the current ones, so you may have a point.

[Nivek 16,949]

44 minutes ago, RPM said:

WTF isn't this getting more coverage? Can't Congress do something to stop this?

Have any details beyond a title and a paywall?

[RPM 26,328]

Just now, Nivek said:

Have any details beyond a title and a paywall?

I know nothing /Shultz

I don't even know if it's true. That's why I want more coverage. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

[Neonmoon 38,130]

[Neonmoon 38,130]

 

[WhatTheBuck 28,794]

2 hours ago, RDCanecutter said:

They probably want some new planes anyway.

The planes are made by Boeing. Defense Secretary and former Boeing lobbyist Mark Esper had been pushing for an upgrade to a newer model. I have no doubt that if Trump is dismantling the planes he's doing it to create an obstacle for Biden should he wants to rejoin the treaty. But if Biden does recommit then at least Esper's going to get his wish. 

[Guest Lobo]

That surveillance system has a redundant pair of aircraft behind it.  We're fine.  They're Lockheed-Martin birds, but they're just as good.  We're fine.  

[staboner 4,984]

there is absolutely no way that any Euro leader with a brain (Merkel) will trust anything American after this retard gets another 70M votes. not even considering the four years of dumb they had to endure. 

 

[High Plains Drifter 11,050]

9 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

 

Parler is now deleting #WriteInTrumpforGeorgia posts.

This is one of the greatest things ever.

 

I wish I could see these idiots' faces when they get to the voting booth, and there isn't a write in option.

 

 

 

[Jester 382]

2 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

I wish I could see these idiots' faces when they get to the voting booth, and there isn't a write in option.

 

 

 

I see no harm in letting them try.  then they'll lose the senate altogether.

[UpperWestside 6,172]

The cult members should have the freedom to sow confusion over the senate seats in Georgia. Just go all out and do everything possible to ensure the Trumpkins lose both seats.

[washparkhorn 9,939]

4 hours ago, RPM said:

WTF isn't this getting more coverage? Can't Congress do something to stop this?

I am surprised he isn't selling all of our ammunition. 

Churlish.

[Hookah Horns 3,083]

Anyone here educated on the Russian compliance or lack thereof with Open Skies? If it's true they've been shirking their obligations, I'm not going to get worked up about nixing the deal. But for some weird reason I have a hunch it's not true. 

[Dr. Teeth 5,845]

There is no line for write in candidates in a Georgia runoff. It sort of defeats the purpose of a two person runoff. It’s like when Trump allies talk about him doing a network a couple of weeks before the election if he loses. Republicans try to suppress voter turnout in a variety of ways. This is one of them. Get enough Dems to think it is in the bag. Not saying it works, but it is proven that they try it. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

 

[henrygandorf 29,194]

1 hour ago, longhornmatt said:

I am trying to focus it more on stressing how much happier and more at peace they were before political rage became their pastime.  

That gets met with pushback like “But I’m only like this because this is life and death!  I can’t just pretend it doesn’t exist and put my head in the sand!” Etc.  But ultimately I think it works better if you keep at it.  Their resistance to deprogramming is ultimately about ego and not admitting they were so wrong about something so central to their identity.  When you tell them they used to not fall for conmen, you’re telling them they used to be smart but now they’re gullible and stupid.  When you tell them they used to believe in honesty and the rule of law, you’re telling them they used to have principles but now they’re deplorable shitbags.  Neither of those is going to be received well.

If you tell them they used to be happy and now they’re making themselves miserable, you’re not casting their character in such a negative light.  In some ways it even appeals to their victim complex.  “Yeah - why shouldn’t I be happy?  I deserve that!”  They also have  an additional and more self-centered incentive to change (their own happiness) rather than the only incentive being other people thinking better of them - which they may not give two shits about. 

These people are almost uniformly angry and miserable almost all the time from what I can tell.  And some of them I can understand feeling left behind and bitter, but there’s a huge class of Trump voters that are really pretty comfortable but nonetheless just have negative energy about everything.  

It’s going to take awhile, but I just can’t believe it’s impossible to get people to decide at some point that it’s more fun to be happy than to make themselves miserable with rage and righteous indignation 24/7.  

there was a well-written article from a year or so ago about conversations like these.  they found, in most instances, that approaching people like this with logic and reason was a fool's errand.  that when confronted, even calmly and from a good place, the resistance increased.  the conversation actually strengthened their resolve.  they saw this as an attack, and defended themselves and their beliefs.

they're either going to figure it out on their own or they won't figure it out at all.

[henrygandorf 29,194]

12 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

the one thing that needs to be named after trump is the "trump law" or "trump amendment" that effectively shortens the lame-duck period from 75 days to a week or less (or to whenever they call the election).

[Biff Tannen 45,695]

15 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

But I was told he was extremely tough on Russia. Tougher than any president. 

[conVINCEd 21,469]

4 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

there was a well-written article from a year or so ago about conversations like these.  they found, in most instances, that approaching people like this with logic and reason was a fool's errand.  that when confronted, even calmly and from a good place, the resistance increased.  the conversation actually strengthened their resolve.  they saw this as an attack, and defended themselves and their beliefs.

they're either going to figure it out on their own or they won't figure it out at all.

My experience leads me to believe that the article you are referring to is absolutely correct.

[TwiceHorn 31,512]

12 hours ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

How he keeps people in his thrall I don’t get.  People side with him over generals?

I'm not sure we should worship generals either.  Plenty of dufus general officers.

But, until they have shown themselves to be dufuses, I think we should probably give them respect.

[TwiceHorn 31,512]

10 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

 

Parler is now deleting #WriteInTrumpforGeorgia posts.

This is one of the greatest things ever.

 

9 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Dumbasses.

 

How To Be a Senator for Dummies

God, I hope enough dumbshits do it to throw the runoffs to the Ds.

But there's probably no ability to write-in a candidate in a runoff.  Dammit.

Edited November 25, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[TwiceHorn 31,512]

15 minutes ago, conVINCEd said:

My experience leads me to believe that the article you are referring to is absolutely correct.

I tend to agree.  But I think longhornmatt raises a potentially valid way to chip away at it and that is to try to disentangle their identity from Donald Trump and from politics more broadly.  Sure, it's important, but nothing to completely wrap yourself up in.

Edited November 25, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[Bevo14 8,355]

14 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

 

God, I hope enough dumbshits do it to throw the runoffs to the Ds.

But there's probably no ability to write-in a candidate in a runoff.  Dammit.

You think that's gonna stop a mean green MAGA badass with a badass pair of oakleys, some badass guns, and a badass pickup truck? He's just gonna sharpie all over that bitch and show the deep state who's boss.

Edited November 25, 2020 by Bevo14

[RomaVicta 29,949]

2 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

The planes are made by Boeing. Defense Secretary and former Boeing lobbyist Mark Esper had been pushing for an upgrade to a newer model. I have no doubt that if Trump is dismantling the planes he's doing it to create an obstacle for Biden should he wants to rejoin the treaty. But if Biden does recommit then at least Esper's going to get his wish. 

 

2 hours ago, Lobo said:

That surveillance system has a redundant pair of aircraft behind it.  We're fine.  They're Lockheed-Martin birds, but they're just as good.  We're fine.  

Rachel Maddow spoke at length about his on her show Monday night. She touched on the main point of the program, but I don't think she had a great feel for the context. Also, she was focused on Trump not merely ending the program but ordering the planes liquidated.

I believe this program exists so we can share aerial intelligence with allies without revealing what our satellites are capable of, which has always been extremely confidential. The program presented allies with foreknowledge of military movements and was a deterrent to invasion. I doubt the US needed the plane surveillance but surely used it.

Maddow also reported that Trump had cut the request for replacement aircraft the defense department planned to contract.

Who benefits? Russia. They can get ready for expansion knowing their neighbors have limited intelligence.

Trump doesn't give a shit about anybody or any country. Now he's upset and doing as much damage to us and as much good for the Russians as he can. He's a punk who needs to be cuffed around the Oval Office and then literally kicked out the front door. Kicked hard with pointy boots.

[ndawg 1,242]

54 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

there was a well-written article from a year or so ago about conversations like these.  they found, in most instances, that approaching people like this with logic and reason was a fool's errand.  that when confronted, even calmly and from a good place, the resistance increased.  the conversation actually strengthened their resolve.  they saw this as an attack, and defended themselves and their beliefs.

they're either going to figure it out on their own or they won't figure it out at all.

Este, but also one more thing. When someone zealously believes in utter nonsense, they'll react in a predictable way the closer your dialog threatens to reveal that nonsense. They'll get more violent, specifically -- the subconscious detects when it has to protect some irrational belief. They're not deciding to get angry... their ego is just stepping right in front of their consciousness and making an executive decision to get angry on their behalf. So, if the root cause of their particular worship of Trump is that, for instance, they want to get back to their idea of the "glory days" of America when they can work a union job for $25/hr and a pension... well, the closer you get to showing them how unlikely it is that such a job and retirement will ever return to America, the more angry they'll get. They can't help it. (And actually, the more likely root cause is that they are insecure about their financial future, but anything that touches on the "glory days" motif will be close enough to that root cause to trigger them)

All the stupid arguments they engage in are also defense mechanisms. They're designed to keep the conversation about abstract things that don't impact them, so that the conversation never runs the risk of broaching their underlying brokenness. Notice that they'll never, ever willingly talk about anything that matters to them. They lose the moment they admit to caring about anything, because once that happens, the empathy channel opens, and their stupid ego loses agency.

I'm not a religious man, but it's possible that Jesus (even the imaginary one) didn't just say "before you take the plank out of your friend's eye, take it out of your own" out of an egalitarian sense of fairness. He might have also been providing a clue for how to disentangle someone else's hypocrisy. If other people first see you model a willingness to self-reflect, they might be nudged slightly towards becoming comfortable to do the same. And if everyone around them models similarly, eventually they might realize it's safe to stop pretending to invulnerable. You just have to not come across as weak in the process (because they still respect "strength," after all).

These are people that are extremely afraid of being themselves. That's why they appropriated a shared "tough guy" identity in the first place. They're hurting. It's hard to feel any sympathy for them, given how their reaction to that hurt has led them to be complicit in a whole lot of cruelty, but so long as they're among us in line to vote, our destiny is tied to theirs.

Oh fuck, I did it again. 2020 is like the year of suddenly discovering I'm off-gassing on an internet forum. What a tense, shitty year it's been.

Edited November 25, 2020 by ndawg

[Tom 2,959]

13 hours ago, Chooky said:

Pretty normal shit here:

(and Quaid's nose looks like a tiny penis)

 

 

Is this asshole still stuck in Vermont for life?

 Poor Vermont if so.

[TwiceHorn 31,512]

13 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

 

Rachel Maddow spoke at length about his on her show Monday night. She touched on the main point of the program, but I don't think she had a great feel for the context. Also, she was focused on Trump not merely ending the program but ordering the planes liquidated.

I believe this program exists so we can share aerial intelligence with allies without revealing what our satellites are capable of, which has always been extremely confidential. The program presented allies with foreknowledge of military movements and was a deterrent to invasion. I doubt the US needed the plane surveillance but surely used it.

Maddow also reported that Trump had cut the request for replacement aircraft the defense department planned to contract.

Who benefits? Russia. They can get ready for expansion knowing their neighbors have limited intelligence.

Trump doesn't give a shit about anybody or any country. Now he's upset and doing as much damage to us and as much good for the Russians as he can. He's a punk who needs to be cuffed around the Oval Office and then literally kicked out the front door. Kicked hard with pointy boots.

Yep, I think this treaty was mostly about European/NATO security and maybe more in a symbolic sense than a real sense.

So, this is Trump lashing out at Europe for laughing at him and supporting Biden.

[kevwun 15,811]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

I'm not sure we should worship generals either.  Plenty of dufus general officers.

But, until they have shown themselves to be dufuses, I think we should probably give them respect.

I used to have a very high opinion of generals.  Then I worked for a retired 3 star general who was a complete dumbass.  Now I'm quite positive there are at least a few who got promoted because they were good at shuffling papers and looking like they knew what they were doing.

[NorthLoop 14,218]

1 minute ago, kevwun said:

I used to have a very high opinion of generals.  Then I worked for a retired 3 star general who was a complete dumbass.  Now I'm quite positive there are at least a few who got promoted because they were good at shuffling papers and looking like they knew what they were doing.

That's pretty much how all of corporate America works.

[Hookah Horns 3,083]

15 hours ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Also lulz at the quiet Appeal to Authority. “Obama ( the guy I know you respect) did this too.”

And, of course, it's not even true. 

[Hookah Horns 3,083]

25 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

And, of course, it's not even true. 

Actually it is, nevermind. 

[SydneyCarton 48,134]

8 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

there was a well-written article from a year or so ago about conversations like these.  they found, in most instances, that approaching people like this with logic and reason was a fool's errand.  that when confronted, even calmly and from a good place, the resistance increased.  the conversation actually strengthened their resolve.  they saw this as an attack, and defended themselves and their beliefs.

they're either going to figure it out on their own or they won't figure it out at all.

 

8 hours ago, conVINCEd said:

My experience leads me to believe that the article you are referring to is absolutely correct.

It’s just the oatmeal cartoon on steroids. So, Yes. 

https://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe

ndawgs post above was nice as well. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

 

It’s just the oatmeal cartoon on steroids. So, Yes. 

https://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe

ndawgs post above was nice as well. 

 I have never seen that comic before. That was kinda cool. Thanks.

[Bateshorn 9,928]

11 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

I'm not sure we should worship generals either.  Plenty of dufus general officers.

But, until they have shown themselves to be dufuses, I think we should probably give them respect.

Just a quick reminder that Mike Pompeo graduated top of his class at West Point. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

Comment regarding the President's supposed joining of Giuliani in Pennsylvania:

Ka-Pow!

[WhatTheBuck 28,794]

10 hours ago, kevwun said:

I used to have a very high opinion of generals.  Then I worked for a retired 3 star general who was a complete dumbass.  Now I'm quite positive there are at least a few who got promoted because they were good at shuffling papers and looking like they knew what they were doing.

You worked for Mike Flynn?

[kevwun 15,811]

Nah, more stupidity, but less treason.

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

Today is the International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women. The President has no public events scheduled so I take it there will be no comment either in person or on twitter (not that I am surprised about this or anything). So, on behalf of women around the world I will leave this text taken from the former Vice President, and now President-Elect, Joe Biden on November 24, 2010:

Quote

Around the globe, violence against women is an epidemic. Violence robs women and girls of their full potential and causes untold human suffering.  Violence against women impedes economic development, threatens peace and prosperity, and inhibits full participation in civic life. For every woman who has been beaten in her own home, for the millions of women who have been raped as a weapon of war, for every girl who has been attacked on her way to school, for all of the children - girls and boys - who have witnessed this brutality, we must do better.  On this International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women, we join with the world community in calling for an end to these abuses. Our Global Development Policy makes clear our commitment to investing in the health, education and rights of women. Today, we are working to reduce gender-based violence in schools, provide care for rape victims, and train health workers. The U.S. government is committed to continuing our efforts to respond to, reduce, and work toward eliminating gender-based violence worldwide.

Worldwide, may nasty women and the men who love them keep working to make the world a better safer place for all humanity.

[aggie08 21,508]

34 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Comment regarding the President's supposed joining of Giuliani in Pennsylvania:

Ka-Pow!

I had an unannounced movement this morning. Barely made it to the bathroom in time.

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

3 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

I had an unannounced movement this morning. Barely made it to the bathroom in time.

So a Pickett's Discharge?

[Ted Lange 16,110]

Grittysburg.