Donald Trump 2020

[hookemATL 11602]

7 minutes ago, TexasEd said:

This would make a great Meidas or other anti-Maga add.  The greatest Generation vs the MAGA generation

The analogy to WW2 and the sacrifices the American public made during that time has been forefront in my brain since the beginning of all this mess (particularly once it became clear that we should ALL mask up).  WW2 was a moral imperative, and on the whole everyone did their part to contribute to the effort, both at home and abroad.  The inspirational nature of these years long sacrifices (minimal sacrifices / medium sacrifices / and ultimate sacrifices) are all a part of something that has lived in my heart as a shining example of what WE are capable of when we put each other ahead of ourselves. 

There are millions of folks making these sacrifices during COVID, even those giving their lives to help care for fellow Americans and fight this insidious virus.  We should ALL be pulling together to support one another.  Everyone mask up, limit contact and contribute to the "war effort" against the virus, and we will be ok and try to learn from such a pivotal moment in our history.  Sadly, depressingly, crushingly, there is not enough tying us together, not enough pride and love for one another and country, to limit the damage.  We are incapable of suppressing our selfishness long enough to see the bigger picture, do our part, and ensure that people dont die meaninglessly whilst the country itself goes tits-up.  Yes there has been a deep schism in American society for a very long time, but ultimately you WANT to believe in better angels and that folks will give the slightest of fucks by putting a piece of fabric on their face while in public spaces.  This isnt about politics, its science/disease/facts.  But it DONT.  MAKE.  A.  SHIT.

So we will continue to FAAFO, and continue to fail spectacularly wrt to aggressively stamping out COVID.  Its fucking exhausting.

[TXSG8R 3360]

1 minute ago, hookemATL said:

The analogy to WW2 and the sacrifices the American public made during that time has been forefront in my brain since the beginning of all this mess (particularly once it became clear that we should ALL mask up).  WW2 was a moral imperative, and on the whole everyone did their part to contribute to the effort, both at home and abroad.  The inspirational nature of these years long sacrifices (minimal sacrifices / medium sacrifices / and ultimate sacrifices) are all a part of something that has lived in my heart as a shining example of what WE are capable of when we put each other ahead of ourselves. 

There are millions of folks making these sacrifices during COVID, even those giving their lives to help care for fellow Americans and fight this insidious virus.  We should ALL be pulling together to support one another.  Everyone mask up, limit contact and contribute to the "war effort" against the virus, and we will be ok and try to learn from such a pivotal moment in our history.  Sadly, depressingly, crushingly, there is not enough tying us together, not enough pride and love for one another and country, to limit the damage.  We are incapable of suppressing our selfishness long enough to see the bigger picture, do our part, and ensure that people dont die meaninglessly whilst the country itself goes tits-up.  Yes there has been a deep schism in American society for a very long time, but ultimately you WANT to believe in better angels and that folks will give the slightest of fucks by putting a piece of fabric on their face while in public spaces.  This isnt about politics, its science/disease/facts.  But it DONT.  MAKE.  A.  SHIT.

So we will continue to FAAFO, and continue to fail spectacularly wrt to aggressively stamping out COVID.  Its fucking exhausting.

Yea, I cant imagine the reaction to stuff like ration books, fuel rations, and scrap drives with our current society.  "Patriots" would be front and center leading the charge against the greater good screaming SOCIALISM.  Asking Rednecks to swap their big steel brushguards and bumpers for some wood shit for the greater good would probably lead to more deaths than covid.  

[Brisketexan 104537]

10 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Exactly right. MAGA is nothing more than the idea that you, as a red-blooded American, should get to do whatever the fuck you want to do no matter how selfish, destructive, counterproductive, or reckless it is. As a corollary, you also have the right to demand that everyone else abstain from doing anything that offends your fragile sensibilities because this is America, where others are obligated to follow any arbitrary customs you deem required by your self-centered notions of Law & Order and patriotism. 

MAGA encourages grown adults to behave like cranky toddlers. It’s a 180 degree shift from the old Republican notion of personal responsibility. 

FANTASTIC post.  Dead-center of the bullseye.

1 -- you can't make me do anything, or not do anything, because FREEDOM AMERICA LIBERTY PATRIOT EAGLE GUN!

2 -- but we MAGAs can use the force of law to crush anyone who isn't sufficiently "American" enough in their behavior, ethnicity, etc.  And if you don't like it, GIT OUT!

Our national creed these days is that of a fucking petulant toddler.  Which perfectly matches the president we elected in 2016.

[texastough 1128]

8 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Which perfectly matches the president we elected in 2016.

while we are mentioning Russia, I'll take issue with this

[Ojo Rojo 1888]

Who thinks DT will win the GOP nomination in '24? 

I don't know if he'll actually run.  Probably depends on how his financial situation plays out over the next four years.  If he does run, I don't think he'll get the nomination.  His formula worked in '16; it didn't work in '20.  Politics seems to move on from its losers pretty quickly.

[Biff Tannen 45491]

2 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

Who thinks DT will win the GOP nomination in '24? 

I don't know if he'll actually run.  Probably depends on how his financial situation plays out over the next four years.  If he does run, I don't think he'll get the nomination.  His formula worked in '16; it didn't work in '20.  Politics seems to move on from its losers pretty quickly.

He won't be running because he'll either be in prison, have fled the country, or will be holed up in Florida awaiting extradition.  But if he did run, he would ABSOLUTELY get the nomination.  His cult ain't going away.  If anything, they're going to get worse.

[Gardner Barnes 1562]

Speaking of the trump cult.

This is a great, albeit long story about the betting markets sucked in the gullible trumpers

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/12/trump-betting-markets-sportsbooks-offshore-2020-election-gambling.html

I actually scored a nice little +640 win about 10p on election night.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11668]

I agree MAGA is the exact opposite of WWII mentality, but I think y'all are wrong that people couldn't get back into WWII mode if it popped up again.  MAGA basically needs enemies to survive.  Right now, the enemy is fellow countrymen -- the educated, the urban.  They instinctively act in opposition to those values.  If we declared war on the Chinese tomorrow, the Chinese would be the enemy.  You'd see instinctive reaction to hurt the Chinese, and they'd be just as rockflageagle about it as they are now.  These people are without principles.  They are pointed in whatever direction their leaders tell them to be.

[Captainant 27403]

I haven't seen any talk of this yet

Pentagon halts Biden transition briefings

 

 

[elfenix 34169]

5 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I haven't seen any talk of this yet

Pentagon halts Biden transition briefings

 

 

ban post delete user:

https://www.surlyhorns.com/board/index.php?/topic/13045-donald-trump-2020/&do=findComment&comment=2881623

[Ojo Rojo 1888]

7 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

He won't be running because he'll either be in prison, have fled the country, or will be holed up in Florida awaiting extradition.  But if he did run, he would ABSOLUTELY get the nomination.  His cult ain't going away.  If anything, they're going to get worse.

We should be so lucky.  I don't think he'll be in prison or in exile.  Holed up in Florida, maybe.  I don't see much political advantage in going after him for the Dems.  Their strategy has been to cast themselves as the non-crazy adults in the room and it worked.  Going after him will just make the Dems look vindictive and obsessed. I like their approach, which is "Moving along." Whether to prosecute him should not be a political decision anyway.

The Trumpstains/Neocons/Fascists are not going away, but I don't see their numbers swelling either. They still represent a significant part of the GOP base, but it's not enough to win a presidential election.  I think the GOP is going to have to step back from the edge of the cliff if they are going to win the presidency in the next 20 years. Trump cannot be a part of that movement.

[HenryJames 65884]

 

[deech 2251]

5 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Here come the family Pardons. I would say campaign fraud on this scale is unheard of, but I kind of feel like anyone who donated to the campaign gets what they deserve.

[NAVY 6738]

[RomaVicta 29769]

3 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Of course they robbed the campaign. His campaign manager flaunted it. Almost a billion disappeared and the media went with the simpleton explanation that the campaign had merely unwisely waged a real campaign. IT WAS FUCKING OBVIOUS WHAT WAS HAPPENING. Even I opined as much as soon as the story broke.

Stop assuming that just because Trump doesn't know anything about anything other than scheming to steal and get himself out of trouble that he's not proficient at the things he concentrates on. 

Thanks for posting this and all the other stuff you post, Henry. I can still be astounded that something that I and others have seen as obvious can become a news story months later. This scam dovetails perfectly with Trump's current fundraising to STOP THE STEAL except I'll be stealing the stop the steal fund, you idiots™  efforts.

[Biff Tannen 45491]

18 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

Whether to prosecute him should not be a political decision anyway.

It's not a political decision.  It's the right thing to do.  There have to be consequences for his actions.  I expect it will be all state crimes.  Also, you said nomination.  Not presidency.  He absolutely would win the nomination.

[jimmyjazz 45538]

I can't get past the paywall.  How much did they say was diverted to the family?

[Biff Tannen 45491]

34 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I haven't seen any talk of this yet

Pentagon halts Biden transition briefings

 

 

Failing to see the problem here.

[Blotto 23424]

for anybody that wants to read that BI article behind a paywall, you can visit the outline.com website and paste in the URL from BI. 

[NAVY 6738]

I wonder what happens when Putin decides his number one asset is now a liability 

[Ojo Rojo 1888]

Just now, Biff Tannen said:

It's not a political decision.  It's the right thing to do.  There have to be consequences for his actions.  I expect it will be all state crimes.  Also, you said nomination.  Not presidency.  He absolutely would win the nomination.

Yeah, I'm assuming that the GOP would not nominate someone who had zero chance of winning the general.  I guess I just want really badly to put all things Trump in the rear view mirror and never look back.

[HenryJames 65884]

The inauguration spending was the original sin.

[Biff Tannen 45491]

4 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

Yeah, I'm assuming that the GOP would not nominate someone who had zero chance of winning the general.  I guess I just want really badly to put all things Trump in the rear view mirror and never look back.

You think the GOP has any say in this?  They do whatever the cult wants or they get vanished.  That's how this works.

[conVINCEd 21468]

Just now, HenryJames said:

The inauguration spending was the original sin.

The original sin was his mother opting to not have an abortion.

[Francisco 2.0 32313]

3 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

The inauguration spending was the original sin.

 

I'd say Fred not pulling out was, but yeah.

 

 

[RPM 26208]

1 minute ago, HenryJames said:

The inauguration spending was the original sin.

It's just the tip of the iceberg.

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

1 minute ago, NAVY said:

I wonder what happens when Putin decides his number one asset is now a liability 

[NAVY 6738]

1 minute ago, RPM said:

It's just the tip of the iceberg.

In the next few years It will be interesting to learn the extent of the grift 

[Mdhorn 5910]

1 minute ago, NAVY said:

In the next few years It will be interesting to learn the extent of the grift 

as well as Russia's role.  Hacking is just part of it.  

[wildcat09 29213]

12 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

Yeah, I'm assuming that the GOP would not nominate someone who had zero chance of winning the general.  I guess I just want really badly to put all things Trump in the rear view mirror and never look back.

Donald Trump increased his voters by 10 million and only lost this election by something like 65,000 voters across three states and you think he'd have no chance at winning in 2024 after Biden spends his entire 4 years letting the GOP Senate sabotage any economic recovery efforts?

 

Edited December 18, 2020 by wildcat09

[DigglerontheHoof 21044]

1 minute ago, Mdhorn said:

as well as Russia's role.  Hacking is just part of it.  

And 40% of the country will think it’s “fake news “.

[Francisco 2.0 32313]

1 minute ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

And 40% of the country will think it’s “fake news “.

Two years from now, the DOJ, CIA, FBI, NSA and whatever other acronym agency could hold a joint press conference, with full details, receipts, phone records, bank transactions...literally any kind of physical evidence that could be produced showing the Trump family grifted millions not only from the gullible public, but the federal government itself...and laundered this money in countless ways.

It would be breathtaking in scale.

 

 

 

And 40% would say it's fake news.

 

 

[elfenix 34169]

37 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

[Neonmoon 38127]

37 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Holy shit. The amount of corruption in this administration is bonkers. 

[Chewy's Hairy Horn 868]

2 hours ago, Bookman said:

This was a big conspiracy by the do-nothing Democrats to make you question the efficiency of capitalism.

You left out the involvement bidet cartel in the conspiracy.  

[elfenix 34169]

21 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I can't get past the paywall.  How much did they say was diverted to the family?

hit F5 and then hit ESC quickly afterward.  same trick as reading NYT cooking recipes. 

[Biff Tannen 45491]

4 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Two years from now, the DOJ, CIA, FBI, NSA and whatever other acronym agency could hold a joint press conference, with full details, receipts, phone records, bank transactions...literally any kind of physical evidence that could be produced showing the Trump family grifted millions not only from the gullible public, but the federal government itself...and laundered this money in countless ways.

It would be breathtaking in scale.

 

 

 

And 40% would say it's fake news.

 

 

This,  These people aren't going away and cannot be reasoned with.  They live in an alternate reality.

[elfenix 34169]

4 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Holy shit. The amount of corruption in this administration is bonkers. 

we all knew this was the plot of the producers, didn't we?

[RomaVicta 29769]

21 minutes ago, NAVY said:

I wonder what happens when Putin decides his number one asset is now a liability 

Someone with tens of millions of devoted American adherents who believe any lie he tells will never not be an asset to any foreign entity enemy or friend.

[TexasEd 8064]

1 hour ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

I agree MAGA is the exact opposite of WWII mentality, but I think y'all are wrong that people couldn't get back into WWII mode if it popped up again.  MAGA basically needs enemies to survive.  Right now, the enemy is fellow countrymen -- the educated, the urban.  They instinctively act in opposition to those values.  If we declared war on the Chinese tomorrow, the Chinese would be the enemy.  You'd see instinctive reaction to hurt the Chinese, and they'd be just as rockflageagle about it as they are now.  These people are without principles.  They are pointed in whatever direction their leaders tell them to be.

The irony is that the Regan era enemy was Soviet Russia and now we have a Russian controlled president.

 

[RPM 26208]

15 minutes ago, NAVY said:

In the next few years It will be interesting to learn the extent of the grift 

Fake news, witch hunt, etc

[Francisco 2.0 32313]

So, yeah.  I had forgotten that as a former President, Trump is eligible to receive funds from GSA for "office space".

In FY 2016, GW received just over a million in pension, office space, printing, etc.  This link covers up to FY 18, and includes Obama

Other than pension, I have no idea if these amounts are fixed, or can be adjusted according to cost.  I have no doubt that Trump isn't going to use any of this money on some kind of post-office staff, as Maggie is mentioning in the tweet below:

 

 

 

Edited December 18, 2020 by Francisco 2.0

[Bozo_Casanova 26271]

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

I haven't seen any talk of this yet

Pentagon halts Biden transition briefings

 

 

Basically it’s third world shit

[Degenerate Gardner 4081]

1 hour ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

I agree MAGA is the exact opposite of WWII mentality, but I think y'all are wrong that people couldn't get back into WWII mode if it popped up again.  MAGA basically needs enemies to survive.  Right now, the enemy is fellow countrymen -- the educated, the urban.  They instinctively act in opposition to those values.  If we declared war on the Chinese tomorrow, the Chinese would be the enemy.  You'd see instinctive reaction to hurt the Chinese, and they'd be just as rockflageagle about it as they are now.  These people are without principles.  They are pointed in whatever direction their leaders tell them to be.

The starkest difference with the culture of WW2 era Americans is the pervasive influence of misinformation and proliferation of malcontent today. Rush, Hannity and Q can join you in your living room morning, noon and night telling you to be angry and afraid. Cultivating the worst in us is quite the cottage industry. Hobble that industry and perhaps we can start being fellow Americans again.

Edited December 18, 2020 by Degenerate Gardner

[Brisketexan 104537]

2 minutes ago, Degenerate Gardner said:

The starkest difference with the culture of WW2 era Americans is the pervasive influence of misinformation and proliferation of malcontent today. Rush, Hannity and Q can join you in your living room morning, noon and night telling you to be angry and afraid. Cultivating the worst in us is quite the cottage industry. Hobble that industry and perhaps we can start being fellow Americans again.

If they'd been around back then, we 100% would have stayed out of the war in Europe and cooperated with the Nazi regime, both overtly and covertly.  It's really not even a hypothetical.

[kevwun 15608]

1 hour ago, deech said:

Here come the family Pardons. I would say campaign fraud on this scale is unheard of, but I kind of feel like anyone who donated to the campaign gets what they deserve.

I'd bet he violated some State campaign laws in the process of doing that.  New York would be happy to add it to their list.

[wildcat09 29213]

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

 

I'm sure everyone who was very concerned about Hunter Biden will be furious over this.

[TwiceHorn 31240]

1 hour ago, Ojo Rojo said:

We should be so lucky.  I don't think he'll be in prison or in exile.  Holed up in Florida, maybe.  I don't see much political advantage in going after him for the Dems.  Their strategy has been to cast themselves as the non-crazy adults in the room and it worked.  Going after him will just make the Dems look vindictive and obsessed. I like their approach, which is "Moving along." Whether to prosecute him should not be a political decision anyway.

The Trumpstains/Neocons/Fascists are not going away, but I don't see their numbers swelling either. They still represent a significant part of the GOP base, but it's not enough to win a presidential election.  I think the GOP is going to have to step back from the edge of the cliff if they are going to win the presidency in the next 20 years. Trump cannot be a part of that movement.

It matters little, but I think that neocons, among recentish conservative movements, are the most likely to be identified as anti-Trump.  Lincoln Project is mostly former neocons, IIRC.  Tea Partiers/Freedom Caucusers are the ones you're looking for there.

Edited December 18, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[Chad Fuck 17548]

If they'd been around back then, we 100% would have stayed out of the war in Europe and cooperated with the Nazi regime, both overtly and covertly.  It's really not even a hypothetical.

But it was around then. You guys know “America First” was a thing then. So were conservative racist broadcasters. Father Coughlin anyone?

We were at each other’s throats until we found a good lot of external enemies to unite us.

[Underdog 28443]

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Edited December 18, 2020 by Underdog