2020 Poker: Color Up!

[NateHitch 1282]

What's the opinion on BetOnline? That's what I play on and like it well enough. I don't play much cash, I generally stick to tournaments and sng's but there seems to be plenty of people on at any given time

[Stung 6]

I'm just googling this stuff, but 2 different sites claim BetOnline is legit and it is ranked in the top 5 for US poker sites in both traffic and credibility.

 

2 sites to avoid are Carbon Poker and OddsPoker 

 

https://www.cardschat.com/poker-site-reviews.php

[Lurch 5919]

I know Joey was planning on putting together a podcast or video covering the US options for online poker, but didn’t see if he ever followed through

[Blotto 23418]

Another good resource (almost too much information) is the twoplustwo forum for internet poker.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/

As alluded to, not many options for US players, and the options that exist each have a fair amount of warts.

My sportsbook used to have a skin on ACR's network so I used to play there, but ACR had a major upgrade to their software last year that was about as much of a disaster as you could imagine. Once my book dropped them, I told myself then, never again. 

Turns out "never" was about 10 months, as here I am, feeling the itch.

 

[Bookman 4610]

Played a cash game on the Pokerrrr2 app. We're seven handed. Blinds are 25/50 (which equates to $0.50/$1.00). 

Four players at the table, including the villain in this hand, are completely unknown to me. I have everyone covered.

On hand no. 11, the player to my left had just entered and she paid the SB and BB. The effective stack is 3,798, I'm UTG +1 and the villain is in the BB.

I open with A-A and raise to 150. Button calls, SB calls, and the BB calls. Pot is 675.

Flop is 4 of spades, 7 of hearts, 8 of diamonds. SB and BB check and I bet 350 into the 675 pot. Fold, fold, but the BB-villain check-raises me to 1,050 total.

I had played two previous hands with him. On the hand immediately before, I three-bet him preflop and he folded to a flop c-bet, and a few hands before he was the preflop raiser but folded on the flop to my bet in position.  In my mind he's repping a straight or a set, but given the two previous hands I think he might be on tilt. He also has 9-10 and 6-9 as bluffs. I call.

Turn is A of spades, so I now have top set. Villain bets 1,387 into a 2,775 pot and I call. The pot is now 5,549 and the villain only has 1,211 left. I'm expecting him to shove all rivers. 

River is the K of spades, so no full house but a backdoor flush got there. The villain checks!

That really threw me off. Anyway, I convince myself he flopped a straight and is scared of the flush so I check. He had 8-9 of hearts.

Should this always be a value bet given the stacks? He would've called with 8-8, 7-7, and 4-4, which is 9 combinations. He has 16 combinations of 5-6. Possible flush with 9-10 of spades.

Thoughts? I really don't like checking the river but it made sense in the heat of the moment.

 

Edited March 28, 2020 by Bookman

[Party_Taco 3671]

Played a cash game on the Pokerrrr2 app. We're seven handed. Blinds are 25/50 (which equates to $0.50/$1.00). 
Four players at the table, including the villain in this hand, are completely unknown to me. I have everyone covered.
On hand no. 11, the player to my left had just entered and she paid the SB and BB. The effective stack is 3,798, I'm UTG +1 and the villain is in the BB.
I open with A-A and raise to 150. Button calls, SB calls, and the BB calls. Pot is 675.
Flop is 4 of spades, 7 of hearts, 8 of diamonds. SB and BB check and I bet 350 into the 675 pot. Fold, fold, but the BB-villain check-raises me to 1,050 total.
I had played two previous hands with him. On the hand immediately before, I three-bet him preflop and he folded to a flop c-bet, and a few hands before he was the preflop raiser but folded on the flop to my bet in position.  In my mind he's repping a straight or a set, but given the two previous hands I think he might be on tilt. He also has 9-10 and 6-9 as bluffs. I call.
Turn is A of spades, so I now have top set. Villain bets 1,387 into a 2,775 pot and I call. The pot is now 5,549 and the villain only has 1,211 left. I'm expecting him to shove all rivers. 
River is the K of spades, so no full house but a backdoor flush got there. The villain checks!
That really threw me off. Anyway, I convince myself he flopped a straight and is scared of the flush so I check. He had 8-9 of hearts.
Should this always be a value bet given the stacks? He would've called with 8-8, 7-7, and 4-4, which is 9 combinations. He has 16 combinations of 5-6. Possible flush with 9-10 of spades.
Thoughts? I really don't like checking the river but it made sense in the heat of the moment.
 

That’s a fine play IMO - There are still a number of hands out there that beat you, and I could see such a player holding 10/J suited in that position.

Now, value players might tell you to make that bet because he’ll likely shove, but my opinion is that you’ve got plenty in the pot and it might not be worth seeing his reaction if you push him.

[Lurch 5919]

It’s ok to value bet on the small side here. Chk raise flops are quite often 2pr, or maybe Tptk. Once he checks river, we’re pretty sure he doesn’t have a set or straight, so we need to bet small enough to entice a call. You’re pretty much just repping AQ, 66, 55 (24 combos) that he can beat, and TT-AA (24 combos) which he loses to. I’d go 1/3 pot.

Keep in mind, we should often be betting here as bluffs, too.

[Lurch 5919]

Tapadupe

[bigup2dahorns 3343]

[Stung 6]

I've been playing on Ignition. They have Zone Poker. 6 handed you are instantly moved to another table and dealt a new hand as soon as you fold. So there is no down time. It's quite addictive. I'm getting in around 150 hands per hour and am playing at .10/.25.

Day 1 +$75 

Day 2 -$100 BOO!

Day 3 +$50

 

[Party_Taco 3671]

Shit has been wild lately... my local group is still playing 3X a week at the Ritz but I am fucking OUT on that business until this blows over.

In the meanwhile, I have friends from 3 different states who have all started up on Pstars + Venmo and these bitches want to play every night. Too much action for me to pass up...

[StruggleBus 3922]

I’m bored as shit. Is Bovada legit for playing online real money games?

[Lurch 5919]

I think it’s mostly ACR now. Damn good tourneys, pretty good cash

[NateHitch 1282]

Had a good dad/bad dad moment today.

Have spent a lot of time over the last few years teaching my older son to play. Taught him the basics and it went from letting him cover for me while I went to take a leak or while I was cooking to letting him play cheap sit and goes on his own. I'd gained enough trust in him to the point I would call him in if I was struggling in a tournament just to provide a breath of fresh air as our playing styles are a little different.

He had gotten to the point where he was consistently cashing in sng's so I finally signed him up for his own online account and dropped some money in it and told him I'd give him advice if he asked but wouldn't say anything otherwise.

So he's playing a $15 sit and go, 3 people are out and he raises with A9 spade, gets 2 callers. Flop comes 345 spade, he bets, one fold one call. Turn is 6 of hearts, son bets, other guy goes all in and has him covered and my son folds. I was being silent, letting him do his thing, he was doing well so far but I asked him why he hell he folded and he said "Because I think he hit the straight". And I said "Yes, that's what you wanted!!"

I keep retracing my steps along the past few years, after all the time I spent teaching him and all the time I've let him play for me and let him play many, many times on his own and I somehow never taught him that a flush beats a straight.

[workswithseed 2033]

That sucks, but yeah you dropped the ball on that one.

[po elvis 2070]

10 hours ago, NateHitch said:

Had a good dad/bad dad moment today.

Have spent a lot of time over the last few years teaching my older son to play. Taught him the basics and it went from letting him cover for me while I went to take a leak or while I was cooking to letting him play cheap sit and goes on his own. I'd gained enough trust in him to the point I would call him in if I was struggling in a tournament just to provide a breath of fresh air as our playing styles are a little different.

He had gotten to the point where he was consistently cashing in sng's so I finally signed him up for his own online account and dropped some money in it and told him I'd give him advice if he asked but wouldn't say anything otherwise.

So he's playing a $15 sit and go, 3 people are out and he raises with A9 spade, gets 2 callers. Flop comes 345 spade, he bets, one fold one call. Turn is 6 of hearts, son bets, other guy goes all in and has him covered and my son folds. I was being silent, letting him do his thing, he was doing well so far but I asked him why he hell he folded and he said "Because I think he hit the straight". And I said "Yes, that's what you wanted!!"

I keep retracing my steps along the past few years, after all the time I spent teaching him and all the time I've let him play for me and let him play many, many times on his own and I somehow never taught him that a flush beats a straight.

obv the guy had 6-7 spades and your kid is a frickin prodigy.

[AUS-97HORN 11654]

I would rather have that moment happen in a $15 tourney instead of a $100 tourney. 

good news is, its a great lesson learned.

[Blotto 23418]

13 hours ago, NateHitch said:

Had a good dad/bad dad moment today.

Have spent a lot of time over the last few years teaching my older son to play. Taught him the basics and it went from letting him cover for me while I went to take a leak or while I was cooking to letting him play cheap sit and goes on his own. I'd gained enough trust in him to the point I would call him in if I was struggling in a tournament just to provide a breath of fresh air as our playing styles are a little different.

He had gotten to the point where he was consistently cashing in sng's so I finally signed him up for his own online account and dropped some money in it and told him I'd give him advice if he asked but wouldn't say anything otherwise.

So he's playing a $15 sit and go, 3 people are out and he raises with A9 spade, gets 2 callers. Flop comes 345 spade, he bets, one fold one call. Turn is 6 of hearts, son bets, other guy goes all in and has him covered and my son folds. I was being silent, letting him do his thing, he was doing well so far but I asked him why he hell he folded and he said "Because I think he hit the straight". And I said "Yes, that's what you wanted!!"

I keep retracing my steps along the past few years, after all the time I spent teaching him and all the time I've let him play for me and let him play many, many times on his own and I somehow never taught him that a flush beats a straight.

I'm beyond puzzled that anybody could observe/play poker over a period of even a few weeks and never absorb that a flush does in fact beat a straight, as that scenario comes up all the time. The only explanation I can come up with is your son is similar to the lead character in Memento, but without the ability to take polaroids/notes. 

[BillyGoatHill 4276]

14 hours ago, NateHitch said:

Had a good dad/bad dad moment today.

Have spent a lot of time over the last few years teaching my older son to play. Taught him the basics and it went from letting him cover for me while I went to take a leak or while I was cooking to letting him play cheap sit and goes on his own. I'd gained enough trust in him to the point I would call him in if I was struggling in a tournament just to provide a breath of fresh air as our playing styles are a little different.

He had gotten to the point where he was consistently cashing in sng's so I finally signed him up for his own online account and dropped some money in it and told him I'd give him advice if he asked but wouldn't say anything otherwise.

So he's playing a $15 sit and go, 3 people are out and he raises with A9 spade, gets 2 callers. Flop comes 345 spade, he bets, one fold one call. Turn is 6 of hearts, son bets, other guy goes all in and has him covered and my son folds. I was being silent, letting him do his thing, he was doing well so far but I asked him why he hell he folded and he said "Because I think he hit the straight". And I said "Yes, that's what you wanted!!"

I keep retracing my steps along the past few years, after all the time I spent teaching him and all the time I've let him play for me and let him play many, many times on his own and I somehow never taught him that a flush beats a straight.

I thought you were going to tell us that you asked him.... "How many times he has done that why playing for you?" 🤷‍♂️

[NateHitch 1282]

I'm still puzzled by it as much as I've watched him play. I quizzed him afterwards about full houses, 4 of a kind and what beats what and he knew everything else. Somehow that one detail slipped through the cracks. He did well afterwards, got a 1st and 3rd place and didn't place in another one. Live and learn

[bigup2dahorns 3343]

[Lurch 5919]

The most charismatic man in poker, folks. The virus has won.

[Lurch 5919]

This is amazing...I’m dying over here. Stay for the very end

[dirtonia 269]

Still getting hit up for live games in Austin...  hard pass.  

[bigup2dahorns 3343]

Testing at the poker room parking lot

[bigup2dahorns 3343]

LAS VEGAS (Apr. 20, 2020) – The 51st running of the World Series of Poker (WSOP), set to begin Tuesday, May 26 from the Rio All-Suite Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas is officially being postponed as a result of the public health emergency involving COVID-19. It is now targeted for fall of 2020, with exact dates and events to be determined.

“We are committed to running the World Series of Poker this year but need additional time to proceed on our traditional scale while prioritizing guest and staff well-being,” said Ty Stewart, Executive Director of the World Series of Poker. “In the interim, official WSOP competitions are expected to be played online this summer, and we will soon announce details of an expanded series of tournaments to be played on WSOP.com and through partnership with international operators, which will allow players to chase WSOP glory from their homes.”

[bigup2dahorns 3343]

Rhode Island-based Twin River Worldwide Holdings said Friday it was acquiring three casino properties currently operated Eldorado Resorts and Caesars Entertainment for a combined $180 million in separate transactions that would seemingly help the two companies move along their pending 10-month-old $17.3 billion merger agreement.

In separate deals, Twin River said it will acquire Eldorado Shreveport in Louisiana and the Mont Bleu Resort Casino in Lake Tahoe, Nevada from Eldorado for a combined $155 million. The transaction canceled Eldorado’s previously announced sale of the two properties to Las Vegas-based Maverick Gaming.

Twin River is also buying Bally’s Atlantic City from Caesars and real estate investment trust VICI Properties for $25 million.

[October sky 61]

Does anyone know why Shreveport lost the WSOP circuit events they were suppose to Host earlier this year?

[Bookman 4610]

Playing a $0.50/$1.00 game on the Pokerrrr2 app. Hand No. 152.

I've been running over the table. I've picked off some bluffs and have gotten good cards at the right times.

It folds to me at UTG+3 and I raise A diamonds J spades to $3.00, which was my standard open. Others had been opening more, and others less. It folds to the SB who calls with a $109.56 stack, and the BB, with a $263.64 stack, calls.

$9.00 in pot. Flop is 7 hearts 5 clubs J diamonds. Check, check, I bet $4.50, SB calls.

$18.00 in pot. Turn is A of hearts. Check, bet $9.00 and SB raises me to $45.00. He has $57.56 left.

I don't think anyone's ever made a play like this against me, ever. I've played with the villain five or six times and I don't recall any check raises from him in a cash game. He did a bizarre check raise in a tournament last week against me and another guy, when both of us were obviously strong, and he folded after we both called.

Anyway I folded. I could have a set here, but other than that AJ is the best hand I'll have in this spot. He has to have 5-5 or 7-7 right? Did he turn a flush draw and just decide to go crazy?

Too nitty? How would you have played it?

[Lurch 5919]

Set seems very reasonable. He checks flop because two players behind so no reason to donk bet a flopped set. He loves the turn so gives you chance to hang yourself with another check. Chk raise because straight draw and flush draw need to pay more.

 

Unfortunately, it’s also possible that you folded to A7 or A5. 12 combos of those vs 6 set combos.

 

You jam here, he calls 100% of the time with those 18 combos, and you win 66% of those.

 

You’d be paying $91 to win $200. You only need to win $140 to make this ev+.

 

Gotta jam, imo

 

[Lurch 5919]

I guess there is a paper thin chance he did this w the 1 combo of JJ as a super nit, but doesn’t really change the math.

[Bookman 4610]

Thanks, that has has been bugging me. Really think A-5 or A-7 is raising me there? I guess if they were scared of the hearts.

Same game, different player. I announce that the game is over in ten minutes, pick up A-K offsuit UTG +1, and raise to $3.00. Hijack raises to $11.00, leaving $33.49 left behind. I've played the whole game with this guy but I can't recall anything that he had done. I can't recall him even winning a hand. 

I decide to call but I think I should have shoved. In a tournament I'm shoving 100% of the time.

Anyway, I flop a K, check, he shoves, I call and he shows AQ offsuit.

With those stacks is that always a shove on my part?

[Lurch 5919]

Thanks, that has has been bugging me. Really think A-5 or A-7 is raising me there? I guess if they were scared of the hearts.

 

Not even “scared” but raising for value. He wants you to have a strong Ace, not seeing his two pair, or to have picked up a flush draw. With both, he’s likely not going to get another bet from you on the river, but he expects to get called or even shoved into on the turn with a card yet to come, so he thinks he’s about to get paid by a weaker hand or a missed draw once the river comes

[Lurch 5919]

Same game, different player. I announce that the game is over in ten minutes, pick up A-K offsuit UTG +1, and raise to $3.00. Hijack raises to $11.00, leaving $33.49 left behind. I've played the whole game with this guy but I can't recall anything that he had done. I can't recall him even winning a hand. 
I decide to call but I think I should have shoved. In a tournament I'm shoving 100% of the time.
Anyway, I flop a K, check, he shoves, I call and he shows AQ offsuit.
With those stacks is that always a shove on my part?

I shove pre over loose aggressive HJ here because they’ll probably play for stacks at end of night like this with lesser hands, but just call a tight HJ. I like your play.

[Bookman 4610]

Real quick, played in a two-table tournament last night. In the middle/later stages, the villain to my immediate left had been shoving -- massive, massive overbets -- a significant number of pots both preflop and postflop. So was playing tight just hoping for an opportunity to trap.

I see a five-way flop with 4-4, and the flop is 4-4-K. I'm second to act, I min bet, thinking that every K is calling me, and villain immediately raises 5x. I tank and call. Turn is a 10. She puts in 90% of her remaining chips, I shove, and she calls with 10-10. River is a K.

That was fun. Wonder how that would have played out if I had checked. Never know how to play flopped quads.

Won the tournament, by the way. Last hand I got lucky calling an all-in shove preflop with A-J against A-Q.

[Buzzrock 14867]

You know when you have AQ and flop AQ and play it right to get the table captain to shove with AK and then he hits a K on the river? That sucks.

[bigup2dahorns 3343]

Potential new rules from NV Gaming board for 4 players per table max. Don’t think that will allow many rooms if any to open right away.


Table Games and Card Games:

Plans must limit the number of patrons based on type of game to ensure proper distance between players by limiting the number of seats or betting positions per table. For example, player limit per table should be limited to: three players per blackjack table, six players per craps table, four players per roulette table, and four players per poker table. Casino supervisors and managers must ensure that patrons do not congregate in groups around gaming tables. Licensees should ensure dealers have hand sanitizer available to offer to patrons throughout their shifts.


https://gaming.nv.gov/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=16731

[TonyTexas 10478]

4 players per table will kill casino poker. Maybe it will speed along online. 

[Blotto 23418]

6 hours ago, TonyTexas said:

4 players per table will kill casino poker. Maybe it will speed along online. 

With everybody handling the same chips and cards constantly, I can't really see the point in limiting the number of players at the table. If somebody is sick and shedding the virus, I imagine it would be all over the table shortly regardless. 

Also noticed this week that the Austin Poker Palace signage has come down and something called the Palms Social Club has gone up in its place. That place was like a free neighborhood ATM , would hate to see it go. Anybody have any knowledge on what this new joint is? I'm hoping its just a rebrand, but not counting on it. 

[Lurch 5919]

I just don’t see playing live until there is a vaccine. Regardless of what procedures they put in place, it won’t be safe until then.

[Chewbacca 7727]

I just don’t see playing live until there is a vaccine. Regardless of what procedures they put in place, it won’t be safe until then.

Yep. I won't be in a casino until then, most likely.

[AUS-97HORN 11654]

22 minutes ago, Blotto said:

Also noticed this week that the Austin Poker Palace signage has come down and something called the Palms Social Club has gone up in its place. That place was like a free neighborhood ATM , would hate to see it go. Anybody have any knowledge on what this new joint is? I'm hoping its just a rebrand, but not counting on it. 

saw the change in sign earlier today and was gonna come here and post/ask the same question @blacklab  any info you can share?

 

Edited May 2, 2020 by AUS-97HORN

[blacklab 11841]

I don't but I'll ask around

[blacklab 11841]

Apparently sold to the guy who owns TCH

Not sure if they were losing money or owner was just greedy but he stopped paying dealers so they were just getting tips and over half of them quit, most going to Austin Lodge at 183/620

[AUS-97HORN 11654]

15 minutes ago, blacklab said:

Apparently sold to the guy who owns TCH

Not sure if they were losing money or owner was just greedy but he stopped paying dealers so they were just getting tips and over half of them quit, most going to Austin Lodge at 183/620

thanks for looking.  The dealers not getting paid must have happened very recently.  My last day playing there was March 13th, and pretty much all the normal dealers were there. 

and none of them seemed pissed off ( which I sure as shit would be - even if they were only getting $9 /hr + tips)

If he did that the last 2 weeks the place was open, I wouldnt be surprised if he was actually losing money. rather than getting super cheap. 

The guy kept burning money, for items that probably didnt need to happen. 

Example. he redid the table felt twice in the last 6 months, he changed out the chips (which was probably hella expensive), bought new chairs at least twice since the summer, and redid the "high roller" room,  the redoing of the high roller room  (of 1 table) ended up taking up the space of where 5 fucking tables had been, meaning he cut down the max amount the place could make in a day, as well as limiting the number of players who can play in a tourney by reducing the number of available tables to play.

--plus the idiotic overlooking of needing to add a wheelchair ramp to the new high roller room until it was pointed out to him after the room was built, causing the ramp to shoot into the middle of the room blocking a way to walk around and taking up the space of another table area.

 

I understand you have to keep the place looking nice to keep people coming in, but he spent a lot of money on items that could have waited 

[blacklab 11841]

Yeah, he did some dumb stuff.

Dealers stopped getting paid in november, and had gotten pay cuts the previous 2 months as well. May not have been half, but every dealer at Austin Lodge was ex-APP

[BillyGoatHill 4276]

21 hours ago, Blotto said:

With everybody handling the same chips and cards constantly, I can't really see the point in limiting the number of players at the table. If somebody is sick and shedding the virus, I imagine it would be all over the table shortly regardless. 

Also noticed this week that the Austin Poker Palace signage has come down and something called the Palms Social Club has gone up in its place. That place was like a free neighborhood ATM , would hate to see it go. Anybody have any knowledge on what this new joint is? I'm hoping its just a rebrand, but not counting on it. 

Put a dagger in me now....that sucks if it closed down. I agree with regarding it being an ATM. Though only playing a couple days a week, I was having a very good year there b4 all this BS came around.

[bigup2dahorns 3343]

Yikes

[AUS-97HORN 11654]

51 minutes ago, bigup2dahorns said:

Yikes

 

really dont understand what anyone with a brain thinks this will accomplish.   you are still touching the chips, and the cards, and probably at some point touching your face.

if you really want to play safer,  make it mandatory to wear a n95 mask along with vinyl gloves- the more robust type like you would wear in BBQ competition.

although you would have to be real, REAL careful that you pronounce any poker action very, very carefully.   

Ive been at a live table several times without a mask and heard a guy say "fold" in such a way that it sounds like "call", and a verbal fight breaks out because half the table heard fold, the other half heard call. 

[po elvis 2070]

21 hours ago, bigup2dahorns said:

Yikes

 

won't work. no place for my beer.