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6 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

You understand that you're basically saying "well now that they know covering up child rape and other sex crimes is wrong it would be ridiculous to think they'd do it again," right? 

Do you think those outside groups and police just magically know everything? Was there not a chain of command that existed the first time around? Someone who knows what happened has to tell someone who isn't corrupt. 

In the current lawsuit, it's claimed that people were told and they investigated but everyone accused denied it happened. If they are lying then that is still a coverup, the difference is that it's a coverup limited to the football program. 

And when the football program's defense against the accusations at first was that it was just a player looking to get an easy transfer it certainly doesn't look good when that player sues for the behavior after he's already gotten that transfer. 

Yup. But it makes more sense when you realize that GodPa's football program is what those fucks live for. We Are....Because He Was bumper stickers are real. As are Forever 409 car magnets.

That place is evil and those people are just as fucked up because in their eyes they are better people, than you, because GodPa was their coach.

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15 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

You understand that you're basically saying "well now that they know covering up child rape and other sex crimes is wrong it would be ridiculous to think they'd do it again," right? 

Do you think those outside groups and police just magically know everything? Was there not a chain of command that existed the first time around? Someone who knows what happened has to tell someone who isn't corrupt. 

In the current lawsuit, it's claimed that people were told and they investigated but everyone accused denied it happened. If they are lying then that is still a coverup, the difference is that it's a coverup limited to the football program. 

And when the football program's defense against the accusations at first was that it was just a player looking to get an easy transfer it certainly doesn't look good when that player sues for the behavior after he's already gotten that transfer. 

I’m saying that it was much easier to cover things up 20+ years ago and that everyone involved had to know that even the slightest hint of a transgression would by hyper scrutinized. 

im certainly not saying that I don’t believe the lawsuit, just that if it’s true it’s remarkable how stupid Franklin is. If it’s even somewhat true the program should be shut down  

i also know that the attorney filing the lawsuit now has 3 active lawsuits against penn state. In one of them, an assistant AD is suing the school because he got demoted after a kid died in the frat house he was living in. He claimed he had no idea there was drinking going on at the house despite security footage showing him walking past a kid that was dying on the floor. 

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2 minutes ago, heso said:

I also know that the attorney filing the lawsuit now has 3 active lawsuits against penn state. In one of them, an assistant AD is suing the school because he got demoted after a kid died in the frat house he was living in. He claimed he had no idea there was drinking going on at the house despite security footage showing him walking past a kid that was dying on the floor. 

Man, the Atlantic article about that kid knocked me off kilter for a solid week. Still gives me the wiggins worse than any horror movie I've watched. Beautifully written, which made a horrible experience feel too real.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/a-death-at-penn-state/540657/

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52 minutes ago, heso said:

I’m saying that it was much easier to cover things up 20+ years ago and that everyone involved had to know that even the slightest hint of a transgression would by hyper scrutinized. 

im certainly not saying that I don’t believe the lawsuit, just that if it’s true it’s remarkable how stupid Franklin is. If it’s even somewhat true the program should be shut down  

i also know that the attorney filing the lawsuit now has 3 active lawsuits against penn state. In one of them, an assistant AD is suing the school because he got demoted after a kid died in the frat house he was living in. He claimed he had no idea there was drinking going on at the house despite security footage showing him walking past a kid that was dying on the floor. 

I certainly agree with the approach of not automatically believing it's all true. I made sure to use "if" when talking about the players and coaches lying about this latest allegation.

But obviously you understand there are good reasons that most people don't give PSU football program personnel much benefit of the doubt right now.

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3 hours ago, Tex Pete said:

And that's why Baylor couldn't be punished by the NCAA: because Penn State wasn't punished by the NCAA.

It sucks, but the NCAA is toothless because it chooses to be toothless.

Oh but they will come down hard if they find out a coach bought a player a candy bar in the vending machine. Anything money wise, they are there. But when it comes down to rape, murder or child rape, they turn a blind eye. Fuck the corrupt the NCAA.

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58 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Man, the Atlantic article about that kid knocked me off kilter for a solid week. Still gives me the wiggins worse than any horror movie I've watched. Beautifully written, which made a horrible experience feel too real.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/a-death-at-penn-state/540657/

Thanks for sharing man. I hadn’t read this - it’s so vivid and terrifying. 

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Man, the Atlantic article about that kid knocked me off kilter for a solid week. Still gives me the wiggins worse than any horror movie I've watched. Beautifully written, which made a horrible experience feel too real.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/a-death-at-penn-state/540657/


That article gets worse and worse. Jesus.
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4 hours ago, texifornia said:

Man, the Atlantic article about that kid knocked me off kilter for a solid week. Still gives me the wiggins worse than any horror movie I've watched. Beautifully written, which made a horrible experience feel too real.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/a-death-at-penn-state/540657/

Yikes....they murdered that kid.....

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3 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

I certainly agree with the approach of not automatically believing it's all true. I made sure to use "if" when talking about the players and coaches lying about this latest allegation.

But obviously you understand there are good reasons that most people don't give PSU football program personnel much benefit of the doubt right now.

Completely agree. They gave up their right to any benefit of the doubt in perpetuity. 

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8 hours ago, texifornia said:

Man, the Atlantic article about that kid knocked me off kilter for a solid week. Still gives me the wiggins worse than any horror movie I've watched. Beautifully written, which made a horrible experience feel too real.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/a-death-at-penn-state/540657/

What. The. Fuck.

 

Fuck Pedo State.

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19 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

Yep. Both Penn State and Baylor should have gotten the death penalty. You can't condone/cover-up such activities and still have a place at the table.

I would be happy if Texas would just separate themselves from baylor and let them rot somewhere else and stop them from profiting based on their association with UT (and ou).

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Kind of makes me glad I went to a school with no fraternity system to encourage hazing.  

I wouldn't trade my time in a fraternity for the world, but regulating them is so hard.  And his "brothers" were some of the most self-centered dipshits I've ever read about.

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DA explains why no charges were filed in Penn State hazing case

Centre County District Attorney Bernie Cantorna said Thursday that a criminal investigation conducted in April 2019 does not substantiate allegations made this week by a former player of hazing within the Penn State football program.

"What I mean by that is that the evidence doesn't meet the high threshold of filing and proving criminal charges beyond a reasonable doubt," Cantorna said at a brief news conference at Centre County Courthouse. "Based on that review, criminal charges have not been filed. These are very serious allegations. If there are individuals who have information regarding them they can contact the Centre County detective and the Centre County district attorney's office."

On Monday, former Nittany Lions player Isaiah Humphries filed a federal lawsuit against the university, coach James Franklin and ex-teammate Damion Barber. The suit alleges that Humphries was subject to hazing brought on by Barber, linebacker Micah Parsons, defensive lineman Yetur Gross-Matos and linebacker Jesse Luketa and that the coaching staff was aware of it and did not protect Humphries.

The allegations include instances when the named players collectively orchestrated, directed and facilitated a campaign to harass and haze underclassmen on the team. The hazing alleged in the suit includes the participants stating that they intended to make the underclassmen "their b---- because this is a prison." The participants allegedly referenced former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky -- who is serving a 30- to 60-year prison term for sexually abusing children -- by saying, "I am going to Sandusky you."

The alleged actions included wrestling underclassmen to the ground while maintaining restraint, simulating a "humping" action; wrestling underclassmen to the ground while another participant placed his genitals on the face of underclassmen; and instances of the participants placing their genitals on the buttocks of the alleged victims and stroking their genitalia.

Penn State released a statement Tuesday, making note of its own investigation into the allegations and emphasizing that charges were not filed.

"The university has established processes in place for responding to claims of potential misconduct. In accordance with our processes, the Office of Sexual Misconduct Prevention and Response and the Office of Student Conduct carried out investigations of the plaintiff's claims independent from Intercollegiate Athletics," the school said. "In addition, Penn State police investigated related allegations and forwarded the results of that investigation to the Office of the Centre County District Attorney. The DA reviewed the case and decided that no charges would be pursued."

When asked for comment on the allegations involving Franklin, a Penn State representative told ESPN that "based on extensive interviews, we did not learn of any information that would substantiate the claims."

When asked for comment regarding the hazing allegations, the representative said "no claims of hazing were substantiated against anyone."

Cantorna said his office received the report in April 2019 and the investigation was conducted along with the Penn State police.

"The investigation into those allegations was undertaken," he said. "Witnesses were identified who would have knowledge or evidence and information regarding those events. Police interviewed those witnesses along with other university students and staff. These investigative reports have been reviewed by our office."

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2 hours ago, texifornia said:

I wouldn't trade my time in a fraternity for the world, but regulating them is so hard.  And his "brothers" were some of the most self-centered dipshits I've ever read about.

One thing I’ve never been able to understand is the hazing practice at frats. “You’re our brother! So we’re gonna dump piss on you and force you to drink an amount of alcohol that has a legitimate chance of killing you!”

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One thing I’ve never been able to understand is the hazing practice at frats. “You’re our brother! So we’re gonna dump piss on you and force you to drink an amount of alcohol that has a legitimate chance of killing you!”

Don't ask me, mine just made us fix up the house and run errands and stuff. The ask had to be useful.

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One thing I’ve never been able to understand is the hazing practice at frats. “You’re our brother! So we’re gonna dump piss on you and force you to drink an amount of alcohol that has a legitimate chance of killing you!”

Assplay. You forgot the assplay.

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On 1/15/2020 at 4:39 PM, Vic Mackey said:

Oh but they will come down hard if they find out a coach bought a player a candy bar in the vending machine. Anything money wise, they are there. But when it comes down to rape, murder or child rape, they turn a blind eye. Fuck the corrupt the NCAA.

With pending pay for athletes with likeness for image, & potential of conference realignment, NCAA days might be numbered..?

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On 1/17/2020 at 11:41 AM, heso said:

One thing I’ve never been able to understand is the hazing practice at frats. “You’re our brother! So we’re gonna dump piss on you and force you to drink an amount of alcohol that has a legitimate chance of killing you!”

 

No Ma'am isn't like California you can't just walk in.

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https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/more-sports/respected-rutgers-insider-says-a-bad-story-is-going-to-drop-on-psu-pg-1-details/99176983/

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It does involve showers but more about cameras. It’s a very very odd text that I received from someone with all the details. I would be appalled to actually write what I’m reading on this.

I don’t know if this surfaces or not(sounds like it will). Just kind of crazy

All of the videos are in a Dropbox being circulated among college football players and we saw it through a current Clemson player

 

 

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“I probably shouldn’t have started this thread with zero details, but the source of the rumor perked my interest.”

Um, ya think? I mean, who wouldn’t trust an anonymous Rutgers fan on the internet to know what’s going on at Penn State? Because Rutgers fans are so plugged in. Maybe someone at LSU just doesn’t want James Franklin to be their next head coach.

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Should there be anything to this, I'm guessing the tape isn't of child molestation. I'm guessing that they were of muscular football players in the shower made available on some obscure site for masturbatory indulgences.

Then the question is who installed the camera.

I don't think kiddie rape porn would be put into whatever a dropbox is and circulated among college football players for amusement.

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On 1/15/2020 at 4:41 PM, heso said:

I’m saying that it was much easier to cover things up 20+ years ago and that everyone involved had to know that even the slightest hint of a transgression would by hyper scrutinized. 

im certainly not saying that I don’t believe the lawsuit, just that if it’s true it’s remarkable how stupid Franklin is. If it’s even somewhat true the program should be shut down  

i also know that the attorney filing the lawsuit now has 3 active lawsuits against penn state. In one of them, an assistant AD is suing the school because he got demoted after a kid died in the frat house he was living in. He claimed he had no idea there was drinking going on at the house despite security footage showing him walking past a kid that was dying on the floor. 

Look at what is going on in Loudoun County Virginia and the failure to report rapes and assaults.   People are still people.  They often act with groupthink in inexplicable ways.

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4 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

Should there be anything to this, I'm guessing the tape isn't of child molestation. I'm guessing that they were of muscular football players in the shower made available on some obscure site for masturbatory indulgences.

Then the question is who installed the camera.

I don't think kiddie rape porn would be put into whatever a dropbox is and circulated among college football players for amusement.

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I once gave a talk in church, years ago.  I started off my talk with this joke: "Brothers and sisters, I woke up this morning and I could feel tension mounting...... 'Tension' is the name of my dog...."  Needless to say I was never invited to speak in church again.

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I'm always amused by guys saying things like "I do it to blow off steam", do they feel like they just have to say something? Or do they think that will somehow be mitigating? Like the cops will say  "oh well since you were blowing off steam, you're free to go". 

Dude, you were screwing your dog.

We had some serious weirdos in the faculty at UT back in the day, since we didn't have as many wildlife cameras back then we may have dodged a bullet. 

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On 1/15/2020 at 3:29 PM, PittsburghTiger said:

Yup. But it makes more sense when you realize that GodPa's football program is what those fucks live for. We Are....Because He Was bumper stickers are real. As are Forever 409 car magnets.

That place is evil and those people are just as fucked up because in their eyes they are better people, than you, because GodPa was their coach.

Uh, the Beaumont Area sucks, but we aren’t systemically covering up rapes of children (that I’m aware of, anyways)….

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