The Senate Trial of Donald J Trump 2020

[Brisketexan 104561]

Have we heard a motion to "declare Donald J. Trump the bestest president ever, and dismiss all removal proceedings against him, and in fact declare that he can't ever be removed from office by anything, even an election?"  Because that's the one I'm waiting for.

Otherwise, I fully expect this to be a complete sham, and will pay little attention to the pre-ordained conclusion led by Senators who have proudly publicly proclaimed that they will NOT adhere to the oath they just took.  Because, you know, lying under oath is HUGE -- why, the GOP told me it was a clearly impeachable offense.  But when GOP Senators do it, well, that's just good bull or something.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33834]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Have we heard a motion to "declare Donald J. Trump the bestest president ever, and dismiss all removal proceedings against him, and in fact declare that he can't ever be removed from office by anything, even an election?"  Because that's the one I'm waiting for.

Otherwise, I fully expect this to be a complete sham, and will pay little attention to the pre-ordained conclusion led by Senators who have proudly publicly proclaimed that they will NOT adhere to the oath they just took.  Because, you know, lying under oath is HUGE -- why, the GOP told me it was a clearly impeachable offense.  But when GOP Senators do it, well, that's just good bull or something.

despite your pessimism, it appears to be trending the other direction. I don't think McConnell had the votes and support he thought he did

[heso 2748]

And don’t quite get Mitch being so outspoken about coordinating with the White House. 

what is he gaining by so publicly claiming that he’s creating a sham trial?

The White House already knew this would be the case, so why announce it to the world?

[Tuco 5076]

18 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

 

This is just the evidence from the House investigation.  Previously, it would have been allowed for admittance based on a successful motion, and vote. It would have been silly to refuse to admit the House evidence, as it is already out in the public. This just protects Republican Senators from taking a wedge-issue vote on whether to admit the House evidence, because you know there are some Trumpsters who are going to be pissed about any vote that appears pro-impeachment, and most sane people realize that House evidence should be admitted.  

[Chuckie Finster 22598]

1 minute ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

despite your pessimism, it appears to be trending the other direction. I don't think McConnell had the votes and support he thought he did

I think it's equally likely that Mitch fully planned on these "last minute" changes to be the plan, but he framed it in a way that a few vulnerable senators get to look like they forced concessions.

[heso 2748]

4 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

despite your pessimism, it appears to be trending the other direction. I don't think McConnell had the votes and support he thought he did

And I think this ties into my post right after yours. Could Mitch coming out and proclaiming that it’s a sham trial with a foregone conclusion of acquittal have actually cost him some initial republican votes on things like witnesses and documents?

Edited January 21, 2020 by heso

[Jive Turkey 12568]

Seth Abramson is having a field day. 
 

 

[Tuco 5076]

51 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

Everything this Sekulow guy says is bullshit.

I'm trying to track it down, but I am almost positive that Rudy texted Parnas that he was going to contact "Jay" about Shokin not getting a travel visa.  It's not surprising at all, as Sekulow has been pushing anti-Dem conspiracy through his ACLJ for ~15 years.  The difference now is that he has been elevated to the position of being one of the President's personal attorneys.  

 

...

Found it: "Gave Jay your number" January 11, 2019. 

(In the next post, Rudy sends Parnas Jay Sekulow's contact information.) 

Edited January 21, 2020 by Tuco

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

20 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Not band related, but what an epic porn 'stach.

 

 

I called Cornyn's office this morning about the time they would be arriving to work, so even if things go south, I took a swing at the brick wall. I'd rather they had one thousand calls saying 'do the right thing and hold a fair trial/do not acquit' than simply go on about their business w/o objection. I haven't called Cruz yet, but he's next on my list.

[atomheartbevo 89409]

31 minutes ago, heso said:

And don’t quite get Mitch being so outspoken about coordinating with the White House. 

what is he gaining by so publicly claiming that he’s creating a sham trial?

Mitch is signaling to other Republican Senators that if they aren't in line with Trump, then Trump will work to primary them, or at least signal to his base not to support them.

It boils down to "you are either with President Trump, or you are opposed to everything he stands for and are a Democrat/traitor!"

[Tuco 5076]

11 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Mitch is signaling to other Republican Senators that if they aren't in line with Trump, then Trump will work to primary them, or at least signal to his base not to support them.

It boils down to "you are either with President Trump, or you are opposed to everything he stands for and are a Democrat/traitor!"

I saw it more of a message to Trump and Trumpsters.  

Trump occasionally gets cranky on the shitter and tweets out complaints that the Republican Senate is being stupid and weak about fighting the Democrats.  McConnell has to publicly pledge his allegiance to the King, to help quiet his terrors, and to make sure the Trumpsters show up to the polls.  

[Guest Lobo]

McConnell would do well to take a look at the calendars in some of the states of some of his "lockstep soldiers"  A number of those states in Class 2 have primary declaration deadlines that have either already passed or will pass while this Senate trial is going on.  Trump can't threaten to primary some of these folks if those states have already closed to the statewide primary process.  Unless of course they're gonna start fucking with myriad Secretaries of State. 

But in Class 2-closed already are Alabama, Arkansas, California, Texas, Illinois, North Carolina, Mississippi, and this week-West Virginia.  Primary filing deadlines that will close during what is likely to be the duration of the Senate Trial:  Nebraska, Georgia, Montana, New Mexico, Oregon, Idaho, Iowa, Maine, Virginia, and New Jersey.  Look at the GOP senators in those states, those are the only difference makers.  

[TXSG8R 3360]

I don't think he knows what ram this through means if he thinks its helped by asking for more witnesses and materials.

[Fudge Nuggets 19146]

3 hours ago, Irieguy said:

You are making it overly complicated. Jones winning was like Haley’s comet. Trump idiotically supported a pedophile and still lost by less than 2%.  End of story. Any other R will win in Alabama. ANY OTHER REPUBLICAN. Jesus people. Jones’s impeachment vote means nothing. Democrats aren’t winning that Bama seat. Move on. 

If they run Tubberville it might split the Roll Tide vote enough to let Jones sneak in again.  Maybe the only thing worse than  running a pedophile would be running a War Tiger.

[Irieguy 1059]

8 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

If they run Tubberville it might split the Roll Tide vote enough to let Jones sneak in again.  Maybe the only thing worse than  running a pedophile would be running a War Tiger.

 

And Jaylen Waddle is transferring to Texas any day now. Btw, what the fuck is a War Tiger?

Edited January 21, 2020 by Irieguy

[Chad Fuck 17558]

Why are they voting on now?  I got into the middle of this.

 

[InkaUtexas 25497]

11 minutes ago, Irieguy said:

 

And Jaylen Waddle is transferring to Texas any day now. Btw, what the fuck is a War Tiger?

Something like this. 

[CowboyFred 1151]

3 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Why are they voting on now?  I got into the middle of this.

 

to table (deny) the amendment requesting subpoenas be issued for documents from the White House.

[heso 2748]

3 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Why are they voting on now?  I got into the middle of this.

 

Voting on the motion to table the amendment to subpoena the White House for documents. 

straight party line vote. 

[WhatTheBuck 28705]

6 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Why are they voting on now?  I got into the middle of this.

 

Republicans voting to make it a sham trial. We'll see a lot of that. 

[Texas Jeff 1932]

4 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Why are they voting on now?  I got into the middle of this.

They are voting on amendments to what I think are the rules for the trial.  Amendments like should they subpoena various documents from the White House, State dept, etc.

R's are voting no, D's are voting yes.  So, R's have it

[Chad Fuck 17558]

So Ostrich Defense.  Head in the sand and all that.

 

[Pig Bellmont 8691]

Couldn’t get 4 votes for witnesses. This will not bode well for GOP in November. The next person hopefully suggesting Mitt Romney or Susan Collins will have a spine should be ridiculed mercilessly. 

[Chad Fuck 17558]

[Longhorn_Fan68 33834]

As someone on twitter just suggested, if the R's continue this coverup the house should just introduce a new article of impeachment every week or so. fuck them. keep them tied up in chamber (not like they were doing their job in the first place). As more evidence comes out, I don't see how this can continue to be swept under the rug.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13410]

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Sen. Susan Collins, a Republican from Maine, just issued a statement on the impeachment trial and hinted some support for a motion on witnesses.

A key line from the statement indicates it is “likely” that she will support a motion to subpoena witnesses later in the trial after both sides present their cases.

hahahahaha.  Collins will negotiate some deal with McConnell in which he will immediately refuse to honor.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33834]

 

[hpslugga 4043]

2 hours ago, heso said:

And don’t quite get Mitch being so outspoken about coordinating with the White House. 

what is he gaining by so publicly claiming that he’s creating a sham trial?

The White House already knew this would be the case, so why announce it to the world?

He wants to assure Trump that his brunchhole is more inviting than Lindsey Graham's

[Lagunamadre 1975]

20 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Couldn’t get 4 votes for witnesses. This will not bode well for GOP in November. The next person hopefully suggesting Mitt Romney or Susan Collins will have a spine should be ridiculed mercilessly. 

I'm not saying they will eventually get 4 votes for witnesses, but that ship has not sailed yet. Murkowski, Romeny, Alexander and Collins have all indicated that if they were to vote to allow witnesses, which they may or may not, that vote would come after evidence has been presented, similar to the Clinton impeachment. What they are voting against now are amendments that would ensure witnesses prior to evidence being presented. There is a lot to be outraged about here and I'm sure the "moderate" republicans will let us down like they always do, but to be fair to them they have said the whole time their vote for or against witnesses will come after the presentations. Patience grasshopper. 

[Junior Miller 1502]

[DixonHur 11171]

I highly recommend the expat lifestyle. 

It's amazing how much less stressful my life has become since fleeing the US for the Czech Republic last week.  

Instead of being inundated with Trump's stupidity I now have to actively seek out his latest shit-baggery, I also don't have to fear mass shootings, worry about the national debt, or going bankrupt if I get sick...oh, and people actually care about the environment and what goes in their food.  It's quite refreshing.  

The GOP, gun nuts, and Evangelicals used to scare me...now I can just laugh at their stupidity from afar. 

[Chad Fuck 17558]

7 minutes ago, Lagunamadre said:

I'm not saying they will eventually get 4 votes for witnesses, but that ship has not sailed yet. Murkowski, Romeny, Alexander and Collins have all indicated that if they were to vote to allow witnesses, which they may or may not, that vote would come after evidence has been presented, similar to the Clinton impeachment. What they are voting against now are amendments that would ensure witnesses prior to evidence being presented. There is a lot to be outraged about here and I'm sure the "moderate" republicans will let us down like they always do, but to be fair to them they have said the whole time their vote for or against witnesses will come after the presentations. Patience grasshopper. 

This is a set up.  It allows them to say, "Well, I've heard all I need to hear from the evidence.  Don't need no darned ole witnesses, mang." 

[Chad Fuck 17558]

3 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I highly recommend the expat lifestyle. 

It's amazing how much less stressful my life has become since fleeing the US for the Czech Republic last week.  

Instead of being inundated with Trump's stupidity I now have to actively seek out his latest shit-baggery, I also don't have to fear mass shootings, worry about the national debt, or going bankrupt if I get sick...oh, and people actually care about the environment and what goes in their food.  It's quite refreshing.  

The GOP, gun nuts, and Evangelicals used to scare me...now I can just laugh at their stupidity from afar. 

I'm sorry, I haven't seen the "Hot Czech girls I've seen being an expat" thread yet.  Can you provide a link?

[Longhorn_Fan68 33834]

10 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I highly recommend the expat lifestyle. 

It's amazing how much less stressful my life has become since fleeing the US for the Czech Republic last week.  

Instead of being inundated with Trump's stupidity I now have to actively seek out his latest shit-baggery, I also don't have to fear mass shootings, worry about the national debt, or going bankrupt if I get sick...oh, and people actually care about the environment and what goes in their food.  It's quite refreshing.  

The GOP, gun nuts, and Evangelicals used to scare me...now I can just laugh at their stupidity from afar. 

Been to CZ, amazing country. If this country shits the bed and re-elects dotus, you may have a fellow Longhorn to watch games with at 2am.

[HenryJames 65887]

The world's greatest deliberative body.

[Lagunamadre 1975]

15 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

This is a set up.  It allows them to say, "Well, I've heard all I need to hear from the evidence.  Don't need no darned ole witnesses, mang." 

I don't disagree, but that doesn't mean it's accurate at this point to claim that they have already voted to not here any witnesses. 

[Goredho 17345]

19 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I highly recommend the expat lifestyle. 

It's amazing how much less stressful my life has become since fleeing the US for the Czech Republic last week.  

Instead of being inundated with Trump's stupidity I now have to actively seek out his latest shit-baggery, I also don't have to fear mass shootings, worry about the national debt, or going bankrupt if I get sick...oh, and people actually care about the environment and what goes in their food.  It's quite refreshing.  

The GOP, gun nuts, and Evangelicals used to scare me...now I can just laugh at their stupidity from afar. 

Get back to me in 6 months.  That should be long enough to see if America is going full Brisket shitter and if a video of you being tortured and murdered shows up on the dark web.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33834]

dp

Edited January 21, 2020 by Longhorn_Fan68

[Longhorn_Fan68 33834]

4 minutes ago, Lagunamadre said:

I don't disagree, but that doesn't mean it's accurate at this point to claim that they have already voted to not here any witnesses. 

where any witnesses?

[Jive Turkey 12568]

Democrats should just show up with Lev Parnas and announce they are calling him as a witness, rules be damned. This whole process is a joke.  Why not have fun with it? The optics of Republicans blowing their gaskets and probably leaving the chambers en masses will be worth it from a PR perspective. It would literally be Rs running away from the truth. 

If McConnell is gonna rig the game, then change the game. It’s not about winning the trial. That ain’t happening.  It’s about making the Rs looks like clowns at every turn.  

Bringing Parnas there would be like showing up with Airman O’Malley and Airman Rodriguez. 

[pacman 7324]

2 hours ago, Jive Turkey said:

Seth Abramson is having a field day. 
 

 

good point made somewhere in the string of tweets

Mitch should have recused himself since he has a clear conflict of interest with his wife being appointed by Trump.

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

2 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

The optics of Republicans blowing their gaskets and probably leaving the chambers en masses will be worth it from a PR perspective. It would literally be Rs running away from the truth.

You can't really see it, though. The camera is focused on the speaker and occasionally Roberts. Every so often at the beginning or conclusion, there is a long range pic, but not that often. Nothing like the House or the Inquiry where one could watch side conversations, etc. I figured one reason McConnell did not allow it was so that the public would not see that there are few Republicans paying attention with the Democrats speak. They've made their decision.

 

That being said, Val Demings is showing all sorts of Parnas info. It's too bad her time slot is not great because she is a pistol. She could take Devin Nunes and stuff his head down into his socks before he could get squared up to fight.

[hayden_horn 11360]

5 minutes ago, pacman said:

good point made somewhere in the string of tweets

Mitch should have recused himself since he has a clear conflict of interest with his wife being appointed by Trump.

Hahahaha as if republicans care about even the optics of things any longer. nunes sat there and participated in the ukraine hearings despite being personally involved. 

they. don't. give. a. single. solitary. fuck.

[Pasken 1309]

Amendment to use subpoenas get state documents is being tabled by republicans. 3rd amendment to get budget department docs is next to be debated. Likely will also be tabled by republicans. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

27 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

Hahahaha as if republicans care about even the optics of things any longer. nunes sat there and participated in the ukraine hearings despite being personally involved. 

they. don't. give. a. single. solitary. fuck.

They don't, except they get real squirmy when their constituents get in their face. Many won't meet with voters anymore unless it is in a very controlled environment. It's pathetic. That they've hoodwinked people into thinking that all the moneyed  'elites' are socialists or that all educators are liberal, or that scientists are 'mad, crazy, disgruntled' hacks they have put themselves into a position of their own making and it is nobody's fault but their own. They don't care and that leads me to believe that they are going to cheat all the way through 2024 and beyond. The base will be just fine with that, if they economy stalls after being propped up until after November it won't matter anyway because they'll have the public on a spit and we'll be roasted and unable to do anything about it. This trial has no surprises, but I had a glimmer of hope until that first vote. There will be no witnesses despite the polling, despite the pleas from the public that call for a fair trial unencumbered by lies.

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

1 minute ago, Pasken said:

Amendment to use subpoenas get state documents is being tabled by republicans. 3rd amendment to get budget department docs is next to be debated. Likely will also be tabled by republicans. 

Are they going to vote on this after most Americans have turned off the news and retired for the evening?

[Pasken 1309]

7 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Are they going to vote on this after most Americans have turned off the news and retired for the evening?

They just voted on the 2nd. Will probably vote on the 3rd in the next 2 hours.

Edited January 21, 2020 by Pasken

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

7 minutes ago, Pasken said:

They just voted on the 2nd. Will probably vote on the 3rd in the next 2 hours.

Thanks! I've been trying to watch, but haven't been able to except in pieces.

[henrygandorf 29174]

ok, so i've been unusually busy today - what have i missed?

saw the days to present case got upped (3 days per side?).

saw that house evidence is automatically submitted into this trial (instead of pending a vote on it).

is that about it?  are we thinking mcconnell "gave in" on these because they were obvious and now he seems flexible?

has jim jordan taken his jacket off yet?

[Francisco 2.0 32318]

And there's that time that Jay Sekulow had a fit over gay pride flags: