The Senate Trial of Donald J Trump 2020

[DDD Dad 14,332]

 

So in other words nothing matters.

Ah well nevertheless.

It was a good republic while we were able to keep it.

[jw4381 3,072]

We fight at the ballot box in November. Blue tidal wave. 
 

 

[Pasken 1,309]

Hey guys, maybe Ted Cruz will do the right thing.

[JimmyJames 12,271]

2 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

 

Interesting. He’s admitting that trump did what he’s accused of doing but saying it just doesn’t matter.

Pretty much a perfect encapsulation of the modern day GOP. 
 

Rules don’t matter. Every man for himself. The party of nihilism. The party of Johnny Sack.

[shnsajax 3,591]

Hey guys, maybe Ted Cruz will do the right thing.

He’s moving back to a Canada?

[VinyVango 689]

Hey guys, maybe Ted Cruz will do the right thing.

Chew the cyanide capsule?


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[Gil Bang 25,944]

I've never thought that Bolton was worth a shit.

But, if he's a true Patriot, he calls into Morning Joe 8 hours from now.

[Gap03 3,304]

12 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Manu Raju is reporting Alexander is a no.

Based on the question he posed today I’m not surprised (with Cruz and others asking about the prior bipartisan impeachment votes).

I might have missed it, but did Romney or Murkowski  say they'd vote against witnesses?  I thought there was still a shot at 50 votes + Roberts, given Collins is in favor of witnesses.

[Gil Bang 25,944]

5 minutes ago, Pasken said:

Hey guys, maybe Ted Cruz will do the right thing.

[Biff Tannen 45,673]

Nothing changes. Fucking Nazis. 

[DDD Dad 14,332]

It won’t come to that.

Even with 50 motion for witnesses would fail (no tiebreaker vote).

I know NYT has a piece suggesting otherwise but I disagree.

[Anastasis 23,469]

1 minute ago, DDD Dad said:

Even with 50 motion for witnesses would fail (no tiebreaker vote).

[JimmyJames 12,271]

7 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

It won’t come to that.

Even with 50 motion for witnesses would fail (no tiebreaker vote).

I know NYT has a piece suggesting otherwise but I disagree.

Actually Roberts can break the tie if he wants to. He probably won’t though.

[Party_Taco 3,724]

I guess most likely is 51-49 NO and the nazis take it, but my personal bet is 50-50 with Roberts abstaining and then united GOP vote to overturn as it provides maximum cover while confusing the voters with parliamentary BS.

“Oh, I voted FOR witnesses before I voted against them...”

[Cairn Horn88 8,262]

You can’t acquit....without a trial...and this was no trial.  Just a Q&A session.

[DDD Dad 14,332]

I might have missed it, but did Romney or Murkowski  say they'd vote against witnesses?  I thought there was still a shot at 50 votes + Roberts, given Collins is in favor of witnesses.

Sorry, I didn’t answer your question. NYT reports Romney has confirmed he supports witnesses and documents. Nothing yet from Murkowski.

[jimmyjazz 45,899]

3 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Actually Roberts can break the tie if he wants to. He probably won’t though.

I'll be shocked if this cake wasn't baked before tonight.  There's almost no way they'll get to a position where Roberts might screw them over.  This was 51-49 "hey, we were serious about the process and we considered the evidence but ultimately just couldn't see the need for witnesses" all along.

[JimmyJames 12,271]

This whole sham of a trial is a perfectly orchestrated Moscow Mitch soviet style “trial.”

Hes known about Bolton for months. The leak on Sunday. The outrage on Monday. The calming on Tuesday, and blah blah blah.

Murkawski has been told to hold off until Moscow Mitch knows what Roberts will do. Will he break a 50-50 tie and order witnesses? Then it will never come to that and Murkawski will vote no making it 51-49. If he won’t order witnesses she votes yes making it 50-50 and then nothing happens.

Its all a farce.

[Chuckie Finster 22,694]

I'll be shocked if this cake wasn't baked before tonight.  There's almost no way they'll get to a position where Roberts might screw them over.  This was 51-49 "hey, we were serious about the process and we considered the evidence but ultimately just couldn't see the need for witnesses" all along.

Yep. It’s never been in doubt, and the Republicans threw Collins a bone that they hope will help her re-election chances. A complete farce.

[Zavala 1,384]

Look at those lady's giggling in the background yikes

https://mobile.twitter.com/Shem_Infinite/status/1223091669987471360

[JimmyJames 12,271]

I mean it’s actually too fucking obvious. Two republicans are a hard yes with one a soft yes and a few undecideds. You would think they could make it less obvious but I guess not.

The really scary thing is they just don’t give a shit. Ken Starr lamenting about the age of impeachment is just a giant fuck you to everyone. 

We do what we want. Fuck your feelings. 

[Chuckie Finster 22,694]

I mean it’s actually too fucking obvious. Two republicans are a hard yes with one a soft yes and a few undecideds. You would think they could make it less obvious but I guess not.
The really scary thing is they just don’t give a shit. Ken Starr lamenting about the age of impeachment is just a giant fuck you to everyone. 
We do what we want. Fuck your feelings. 

I will never forget Trump inviting Henry fucking Kissinger to the White House the day after the Comey firing. Just a giant middle finger to everyone.

[RomaVicta 29,905]

42 minutes ago, VinyVango said:

Chew the cyanide capsule?


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Suppository. Spiked suppository. Red hot, spiked suppository.

[A-Tex Devil 2,446]

41 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

It won’t come to that.

Even with 50 motion for witnesses would fail (no tiebreaker vote).

I know NYT has a piece suggesting otherwise but I disagree.

Yeah. If Roberts tries to intervene there will be a weird constitutional crisis.  Even democrat Senators have admitted 51 are needed. The only precedent, I believe, was in the 1860s or 70s and highly controversial. 

[jimmyjazz 45,899]

4 minutes ago, A-Tex Devil said:

Yeah. If Roberts tries to intervene there will be a weird constitutional crisis.  Even democrat Senators have admitted 51 are needed. The only precedent, I believe, was in the 1860s or 70s and highly controversial. 

Armybrat should weigh in here.

[Continental Op 3,934]

1 hour ago, Pasken said:

Hey guys, maybe Ted Cruz will do the right thing.

Maybe I will suffocate at the bottom of a pile of Victorias Secret models. 

[TexArcher 37,774]

Of course we're not getting witnesses and of course Trump is getting acquitted.  This was only going to end one way.

Schiff was brilliant.  And none of the people who needed to hear it did.

And the fact is that a big percentage of this country cares more about figuring out who the next masked singer is than whether or not Trump is removed from office.

We actually have a reality tv star, a slum lord, a money launderer, a rapist, and a racist in the White House at the same time.  He abused his power, obstructed justice, and violated the Separation of Powers laid out in the Constitution.  And the people in the very body whose power he usurped are unanimous that he did all of that, and more than half of them want him to remain in power anyway, because it helps them remain in power.

And I'm afraid that we're going to find out that if this show moved the needle at all, it moved it toward Trump.  After he's acquitted, he'll have a witch hunt narrative he can actually sell.

This isn't the country I grew up in.  Donald Trump would've been laughed out of the primary 30 years ago.  Look at us now, dumbed down by 20+ years of Fox News, spiraling public education, and mindless reality tv.  We're a dying star, slowly burning itself out.  The future is China's and eventually India's.  We will become a former superpower relegated to mid-major status, like Spain or Portugal.  It's already started.

And you know what?  We deserve it.  Any country where the last 3.5 years could happen doesn't deserve to be leading anyone.

 

Edited January 31, 2020 by TexArcher

[David Dennison 18,854]

18 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

Of course we're not getting witnesses and of course Trump is getting acquitted.  This was only going to end one way.

Schiff was brilliant.  And none of the people who needed to hear it did.

And the fact is that a big percentage of this country cares more about figuring out who the next masked singer is than whether or not Trump is removed from office.

We actually have a reality tv star, a slum lord, a money launderer, a rapist, and a racist in the White House at the same time.  He abused his power, obstructed justice, and violated the Separation of Powers laid out in the Constitution.  And the people in the very body whose power he usurped are unanimous that he did all of that, and more than half of them want him to remain in power anyway, because it helps them remain in power.

And I'm afraid that we're going to find out that if this show moved the needle at all, it moved it toward Trump.  After he's acquitted, he'll have a witch hunt narrative he can actually sell.

This isn't the country I grew up in.  Donald Trump would've been laughed out of the primary 30 years ago.  Look at us now, dumbed down by 20+ years of Fox News, spiraling public education, and mindless reality tv.  We're a dying star, slowly burning itself out.  The future is China's and eventually India's.  We will become a former superpower relegated to mid-major status, like Spain or Portugal.  It's already started.

And you know what?  We deserve it.  Any country where the last 3.5 years could happen doesn't deserve to be leading anyone.

 

Just think if he wins again. And the Democrats lose the House.

That could happen.

[TexArcher 37,774]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Just think if he wins again. And the Democrats lose the House.

That could happen.

I think the former is probable.

And I think it means some historically bad things are coming.  

[Bama Chick 28,596]

Go do this to cheer yourselves up a bit.

Trump isn’t winning in November.
The Democrats majorly in the House will get larger.

And we’re also taking the Senate.

Entertaining the thoughts of anything less makes me almost homicidal, so I refuse to do it.

[burntorangebongos 10,710]

Fuuuuuck. I'm posting on the drunk thread for the next 3 weeks or more. Fuck Trump and all the complicit bastards for the state of my poor liver.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13,581]

10 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Go do this to cheer yourselves up a bit.

 

 

Trump isn’t winning in November.
The Democrats majorly in the House will get larger.

And we’re also taking the Senate.

Entertaining the thoughts of anything less makes me almost homicidal, so I refuse to do it.

 

From what I saw, he did an admirable job.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13,581]

5 minutes ago, burntorangebongos said:

Fuuuuuck. I'm posting on the drunk thread for the next 3 weeks or more. Fuck Trump and all the complicit bastards for the state of my poor liver.

#teamdrunkuary

#lolyouresober

[Chooky 13,307]

Nerf treason!  Fuck yeah!  Sweet Victory!"

[henrygandorf 29,189]

49 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Go do this to cheer yourselves up a bit.

 

 

Trump isn’t winning in November.
The Democrats majorly in the House will get larger.

And we’re also taking the Senate.

Entertaining the thoughts of anything less makes me almost homicidal, so I refuse to do it.

 

that link didn't seem to work.

https://www.jfklibrary.org/events-and-awards/profile-in-courage-award

[horncyclist 1,387]

1 hour ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

From what I saw, he did an admirable job.

Adam Schiff for President! Only half joking. The democratic primary has gone about as bad as possible if the goal for the prospects of beating Trump. Most likely outcomes are Biden with a bunch of pissed off progressives or Bernie and god knows what. The chaos in the party either way will lay the groundwork for Trump's victory. Plus, why shouldn't he just call up Putin tomorrow and say "I've been thinking about lifting Russian sanctions in the national interest. And uhh... oh yeah, we need you to do us a favor. You remember those Russian intelligence guys you had helping us out in 2016. Can they fire up their operation again? No quid pro quo! Thanks, Vlad!" This is a dark day and a majority of the country is clueless. 

 

 

[tantric superman 4,667]

5 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

Go do this to cheer yourselves up a bit.

 

 

Trump isn’t winning in November.
The Democrats majorly in the House will get larger.

And we’re also taking the Senate.

Entertaining the thoughts of anything less makes me almost homicidal, so I refuse to do it.

I'm keeping the bar lower than that.  Make sure my Texas state rep and senator are reelected (we drove the Trumpistas out in 2018) and grow the advantage in the House and narrow it in the Senate. 

Entertaining the thoughts of more will kill me.

[TwiceHorn 31,450]

8 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court is actually given a lot of power in an impeachment trial. It’s not recognized because it’s happened so rarely and the judicial branch has always been supposed to be number 3 when it comes to power after the executive and the congress. Roberts is so far being a pussy in my opinion. 
 

The framers intended it that way that the courts were number 3 but we’re supposed to have power over impeachment.

Marbury v. Madison, however, was the ultimate court power grab and for some strange reason it worked. 
 

It’s the senate that’s relinquishing it’s power here to emperor trump. That’s because Moscow Mitch is an amoral power hungry asshole. 

Show your work.

Edited January 31, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[tantric superman 4,667]

4 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

that link didn't seem to work.

https://www.jfklibrary.org/events-and-awards/profile-in-courage-award

Done!

That felt good.

[JimmyJames 12,271]

8 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Show your work.

He can break a tie in the senate, just like the Vice President normally could.

I guess a better answer would be the Chief Justice has as much power during an impeachment trial as the Vice President normally would in the Senate. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.scotusblog.com/2020/01/the-role-of-the-chief-justice-in-an-impeachment-trial/amp/

[TwiceHorn 31,450]

4 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

He can break a tie in the senate, just like the Vice President normally could.

I guess a better answer would be the Chief Justice has as much power during an impeachment trial as the Vice President normally would in the Senate. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.scotusblog.com/2020/01/the-role-of-the-chief-justice-in-an-impeachment-trial/amp/

Which isn't much.  As that very article notes.

When you think about it, it sort of makes sense.  Despite using the word "tried" in the Senate, ultimately impeachment is governed by a vote of the members of the respective houses.  They do that all the time, under rules they set up.  They even hold hearings and take "evidence," or at least testimony.

Not only is the impeachment process political, but it's really legislative in nature. 

It's unfortunate for the current proceeding, but all this wishing for a strong judge to come in and make them observe rules of evidence and procedure really has no basis in anything.

Edited January 31, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[TXSG8R 3,362]

8 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

Interesting. He’s admitting that trump did what he’s accused of doing but saying it just doesn’t matter.

Pretty much a perfect encapsulation of the modern day GOP. 
 

Rules don’t matter. Every man for himself. The party of nihilism. The party of Johnny Sack.

Dersch’s wacky opinion gave them the cover they needed. Fuck that guy so hard. 

[JimmyJames 12,271]

Just now, TwiceHorn said:

Which isn't much.

 

I disagree. The notion that Roberts has little power stems from the obvious fact his rulings can be overruled by a majority vote. 
 

If there’s one thing we know about Moscow  Mitch and the GOP coward crew in the Senate, they don’t like to have to make tough votes, which overruling a Chief Justice would be.

[TwiceHorn 31,450]

3 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

I disagree. The notion that Roberts has little power stems from the obvious fact his rulings can be overruled by a majority vote. 
 

If there’s one thing we know about Moscow  Mitch and the GOP coward crew in the Senate, they don’t like to have to make tough votes, which overruling a Chief Justice would be.

And someone has to ask him to rule on something, which no one is likely to do.

[Enchubben 5,510]

6 hours ago, TexArcher said:

I think the former is probable.

And I think it means some historically bad things are coming.  

 

[WhatTheBuck 28,776]

That's just a poll, and not a particularly informative one at that. But then consider the source. 

Cutting and pasting your opinions directly from Fox News doesn't make you politically informed or involved. Or relevant. 

[Captainant 27,654]

Just now, WhatTheBuck said:

Cutting and pasting your opinions directly from Fox News doesn't make you politically informed or involved. Or relevant. 

Unless you're a Boomer, apparently

[TXSG8R 3,362]

21 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

 

FN viewers are definitely more satisfied with race relations under trump. 

[WhatTheBuck 28,776]

12 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

FN viewers are definitely more satisfied with race relations under trump. 

[deech 2,274]

Now a group of Russian oligarchs have their banking restrictions removed the day before a huge vote in the Senate by the Treasury.   Wonder how much of that money is going to make it in into GOP coffers in the next year?