The Senate Trial of Donald J Trump 2020

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10 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Most of Gen Z is not at fault.  Most of them haven't been able to vote yet.  And they will bear the brunt of most of this.  If we are talking generations, it obviously has to be the baby boomers.

that's who i blame.  a bunch of olds nursing grudges for the last half century for having to share schools with darkies, looking for some way to lash out.

[Beantown Express 2.0 6568]

I blame Mack Brown, Charlie Strong, Tom Herman... wait what was the question again?

[Ted Lange 16157]

 

[hayden_horn 11365]

13 hours ago, Gap03 said:

MSNBC is saying Nadler cut Schiff off.  If so, Pelosi needs to take him behind the woodshed because he sucks compared to Schiff.

 

13 hours ago, Anastasis said:

"Jerry, Jerry, Jerry" is what I heard from Schiff while Nadler headed to the lectern. 

 

13 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

Schiff is a much more effective advocate than nadler. That’s been obvious for months. 

i know these post were from last night, but i actually saw this happen and immediately thought it was a terrible look for nadler and the democrats. nadler is clearly angry with the republicans, but he doesn't come across good, and frankly, schiff and deming are the ones who need to be doing the talking. nadler has been petulant this whole trial, and letting his emotions run away with him does no one any favors.

[David Dennison 19120]

Just now, Ted Lange said:

 

God he sucks.

[Biff Tannen 45767]

1 minute ago, Ted Lange said:

 

[David Dennison 19120]

Just now, Biff Tannen said:

Well, not nothing. All of the information is going to come out. And there's an election in November.

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1 minute ago, Ted Lange said:

 

hahahahahaha holy shit. that cipollone can stand up there with a straight face...there is no shame amongst these trump people. no shame at all.

[Brisketexan 105576]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Well, not nothing. All of the information is going to come out. And there's an election in November.

Oh.  You think there will be an actual fair election.

You're adorable.

Dark oligarch money will drive the bus, and win.  Voter disenfranchisement efforts (hey, Texas just cited for shamelessly violating voter registration laws!) will work.  The die has been cast -- minority rule wins the day, and we'll never effectively wrest it back.

[Brandywine 1320]

26 minutes ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

Citizens United opened the door for unlimited $$$ pumped into the elections.  We may never see another Democratic president.

Russia will be pouring $$$ and misinformation in so that Trump and other Republican stay in power.

You may be right as long as Republicans are the only ones that vote. These people that don’t vote because “I don’t like who’s running”, “My vote doesn’t matter in this state and I’ll start voting when the Dems get competitive” crap will only keep the Republicans in charge from now on, and the Supreme Court conservative for years. It also opens the door to candidates like Trump running. The Reps played the long game and won. It’s disheartening because this economy the country is enjoying is the Obama economy. The Trump policies like deregulation and massive tax cuts will blow up at some point. Maybe it’s only right that he’s in power when it does instead of a Democrat having to clean it up again and taking the blame from Republicans. 

[RomaVicta 30080]

Last night I had to wait in the car for my beloved who was undergoing some therapy. I got a 32 oz Miller and listened to the QA.

The managers remained decorous and on point. I was proud of them all.

On the other side, you have the shameless sophistry and distortion.

The whole thing reminded me of the Michael Jackson trial where the obvious signs that the man was perhaps a tragic freak were absolutely ignored by his supporters. They only wanted to hear exculpatory evidence to remain deluded as to Jackson's normality.

So it is here with the constant liar Trump. The supporters in the Senate can convince themselves that good man Donald is a victim. Donald seeks only to do good. His daily demonstrations of deplorable character don't factor into the appraisal of his totally in character extortion scheme.

It's obvious. He has no business leading this or any free country, but it just doesn't matter to so many people.

Thus fails a republic. Thus wickedness becomes the embraced norm. Thus the shining city on a hill gathers tarnish and smut to never shine again.

 

Edited January 31, 2020 by RomaVicta

[Biff Tannen 45767]

10 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

we'll never effectively wrest it back.

without a revolution

[JFKFC 4946]

Cipollone was in the room. He was a fact witness to this crime, and acted as Trump's attorney. My God, this is so illegal. 

[FondrenRoad 4378]

11 minutes ago, Brandywine said:

You may be right as long as Republicans are the only ones that vote. These people that don’t vote because “I don’t like who’s running”, “My vote doesn’t matter in this state and I’ll start voting when the Dems get competitive” crap will only keep the Republicans in charge from now on, and the Supreme Court conservative for years. It also opens the door to candidates like Trump running. The Reps played the long game and won. It’s disheartening because this economy the country is enjoying is the Obama economy. The Trump policies like deregulation and massive tax cuts will blow up at some point. Maybe it’s only right that he’s in power when it does instead of a Democrat having to clean it up again and taking the blame from Republicans. 

Hopefully, Trump winning will finally put that "my vote doesn't matter" shit to bed. You never hear that statement from conservatives or old people. It's time for liberals and young people to realize that their vote matters quite a bit. 

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20635]

44 minutes ago, NWBuck said:

As a Z, I'm just hoping that the Millinieals will start working soon enough and with enough magnitude to allow me to experience the universal tax-subsidized goodies that they're all going to be voting for.

 

I'll take those over the non-universal tax subsidized goodies that go mostly to the rich. 

[jimmyjazz 46476]

5 minutes ago, JFKFC said:

Cipollone was in the room. He was a fact witness to this crime, and acted as Trump's attorney. My God, this is so illegal. 

I won't comment on the illegality of it, because I'm not qualified to do so, but I am qualified to say Cipollone was clearly out of his element in those proceedings.  He just doesn't have the intellectual horsepower to hang with the better attorneys in the room.

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6 minutes ago, JFKFC said:

Cipollone was in the room. He was a fact witness to this crime, and acted as Trump's attorney. My God, this is so illegal. 

Sekulow communicated with Parnas. 

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

I won't comment on the illegality of it, because I'm not qualified to do so, but I am qualified to say Cipollone was clearly out of his element in those proceedings.  He just doesn't have the intellectual horsepower to hang with the better attorneys in the room.

But just like Jim Jordan in the house hearings, intelligence and facts don’t matter here. His job is to sound smug, and indignant, and aggressive so that the Fox News PR hype machine can repackage clips as evidence to feed to the rubes. 

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[David Dennison 19120]

The entire Republican Party is rotten to the core. All of it. Every single bit of it.

It's a tremendous problem for this country.

[RomaVicta 30080]

45 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

 

 

i know these post were from last night, but i actually saw this happen and immediately thought it was a terrible look for nadler and the democrats. nadler is clearly angry with the republicans, but he doesn't come across good, and frankly, schiff and deming are the ones who need to be doing the talking. nadler has been petulant this whole trial, and letting his emotions run away with him does no one any favors.

The Naddler issue reminds me of a comment on NPR last night critical of something Schiff said that could have irritated the GOPs. 'He didn't do himself any favors."

Underlying this criticism there seems to be the assumption that there is a formula of perfect moves that could humor the GOPs, win their favor, and carry the day.

It's clear that such a formula is illusory. The failure to remove Trump will have nothing to do with the manager's efforts. They were excellent. The case, implications, and consequences of leaving Trump in office are crystal clear.

The triumph of shameless criminality oozes from Moscow Mitch and his putrid partisans.

[JimmyJames 12271]

I’m sitting at lunch next to a couple gentlemen at the bar. White, appear to be successful, about 60 years old. 
 

One of them brings up the subject of impeachment. The other says he’s tired of it, and that there’s no need for more witnesses because the republicans will then have to call the Biden’s and the whistleblower turning it into a circus. 
 

The problem is not the rural white trash. It’s the White baby boomer olds. They’re the ones that should know better. 

[Nivek 17039]

16 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

And the reality of the situation is that the Constitution gives the Chief Justice a minimal role in this proceeding and the Supreme Court none.

He's not acting as a federal district judge presiding over a criminal trial and Liz damn well knows it.  Weak analogies between this and a criminal trial are ok for laypeople I suppose, but not for Elizabeth Warren.

Why is he there but if not to lend fake credibility to the preceding?  She knows it, and she is attempting to get him to admit this is a sham, and remove that attempt of legitimacy.  You seem to have a hard-on for calling her out for calling this rigged circus a circus.   

[Biff Tannen 45767]

3 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

turning it into a circus. 

If this isn't a circus already, I'd hate to see the real circus.

[Dbeasy 15233]

Is it too early for an in-depth post-mortem here?  I'd be curious on people's thoughts about the individuals most responsible for the death of the Republic.  I'll start, in no particular order:

• Rush Limbaugh / Rupert Murdoch - as leaders of the fear-mongering movement that led to the creation and solidification of "The Base" (you know ... morons)
• Koch brothers / Robert Mercer / Sheldon Adelson - for funding the modern GOP's efforts to undermine the principal tenets of democracy over the last several decades 
• Justices Kennedy and Roberts (along with assists from Alito, Thomas and Scalia) - for their decisions in Citizens United (allowing the flood of dark money into US politics) and Shelby County v. Holder (killing the VRA because "there wasn't enough racism to justify it" (ha!))
• Bill Barr - for his cover-up of the GOP's blatant criminality 
• Mitch McConnell - for his tactics in packing the judiciary, covering up GOP criminality and generally taking partisan politics in Congress "up to 11"
• Donald Trump - for pushing the country into a post-truth dystopia (with an assist from Fox News / Murdoch)

Who else shares the blame with where we are?
 

It’s Limbaugh. He started the propaganda wars disguised as a political commentator.

[4th&Five 41702]

wow...WOW!

 

[Dbeasy 15233]

Most of Gen Z is not at fault.  Most of them haven't been able to vote yet.  And they will bear the brunt of most of this.  If we are talking generations, it obviously has to be the baby boomers.

Although Gen X has been completely worthless so far.

[Jive Turkey 12723]

Stick a fork in it. Trial is done. 

 

[Pasken 1309]

 

wtf does that even mean?

[pacman 7429]

1 hour ago, heso said:

 

The rural poor, the racists, the evangelicals have made Trump their fat, orange, god-king.

Are there any good books analyzing humans decisions to follow people like Hitler and Trump?

Trump could not be any more polar opposite than his followers. They literally have nothing in common.

Hell, natural selection dictates people like Hitler and Trump should sink to the bottom of the gene pool. Yet, they find a way to convince millions to prop them up.

[Biff Tannen 45767]

1 minute ago, Pasken said:

 

wtf does that even mean?

Wait what?  She's just giving it all up even though she has the power to stop it?

[TXSG8R 3362]

1 minute ago, Pasken said:

 

wtf does that even mean?

The way I read it she knows her vote wont matter, so why bother.  

[jimmyjazz 46476]

Just now, Biff Tannen said:

Wait what?  She's just giving it all up even though she has the power to stop it?

I called it last night.  51-49 was baked in.  It allows furrowed brows, maybe a little aisle-crossing, but in the end, "oh well, the votes just weren't there."

[Biff Tannen 45767]

Burn them all.

[pacman 7429]

Can we stop calling it a trial now? That is misleading given that it in no way resembles a trial.

[Biff Tannen 45767]

Just now, pacman said:

Can we stop calling it a trial now? That is misleading given that it in no way resembles a trial.

Nope.  They will scream vindication and that the trial was fair.  And people will believe it.

[JimmyJames 12271]

5 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Why is he there but if not to lend fake credibility to the preceding?  She knows it, and she is attempting to get him to admit this is a sham, and remove that attempt of legitimacy.  You seem to have a hard-on for calling her out for calling this rigged circus a circus.   

People’s only memory of an impeachment trial is the really stupid one against Clinton for lying in a deposition about a blowjob. Everyone knew he lied, but nobody gave a shit except newt and the Republican corrupt crew. Lying about blowjobs, even under oath, is not even close to a high crime or misdemeanor.

So during that trial, Chief Justice Rehnquist wisely didn’t do jack shit except wear a super fancy robe. 

Back in the 19th century, however, the Chief Justice Chase inserted himself into the trial by declaring he could break a tie in the senate.  And I believe he was right to do so even if controversial.

If the senate can’t decide and ties, normally the Vice President is the deciding vote. Since during an impeachment trial this would be an obvious conflict of interest, the founders put the Chief Justice in place of the Vice President. To argue he can’t break a try is to argue he really shouldn’t even be there and either Lenny or Squiggy should “preside” over the trial instead. 
 

And I know I’m right because the Washington Times disagrees with me. 
 

 

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8 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

wow...WOW!

 

Just when you thought Dersch was the low point.  

[Mdhorn 6097]

6 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Wait what?  She's just giving it all up even though she has the power to stop it?

Well, she's one woman against something that requires a spine.

[JimmyJames 12271]

8 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

Stick a fork in it. Trial is done. 

 

Looks like Chief Justice Roberts agreed with me and told Moscow Mitch if the vote is a tie he’s ordering witnesses and documents. 
 

Moscow Mitch understood,  then ordered Murkawski to vote no. She’s safe in her seat, so she complied, probably securing a new bridge to nowhere in the process, one named after her with a large Russian payment as a bonus. 

[Mdhorn 6097]

I fully expect Trump'll pardon everybody now because why not, he's innocent so they are as well. 

Edited January 31, 2020 by Mdhorn

[Pasken 1309]

Man, imagine if Beto would have won and Nelson would not have lost.

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14 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

wow...WOW!

 

Rubio is such an embarrassment.  I cannot see how he appeals to anyone, and I mean that in the sense that I get how people support Trump.  Who is the core demographic of a pussy that looks like he's wearing his dad's suit?

[Anastasis 23508]

37 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

i know these post were from last night, but i actually saw this happen and immediately thought it was a terrible look for nadler and the democrats. nadler is clearly angry with the republicans, but he doesn't come across good, and frankly, schiff and deming are the ones who need to be doing the talking. nadler has been petulant this whole trial, and letting his emotions run away with him does no one any favors.

It was a pretty bad way to close. All star watching the bottom of the line up grab the bat and go to the plate. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

Murkowski references an attempt to pull the Supreme Court into this mess. That means she was told by Moscow Mitch if she votes for witnesses creating a tie that Chief Justice Roberts was going to break it. I hate being right sometimes.  
 

If trump wins in November the senate is done as an institution. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26683]

Although Gen X has been completely worthless so far.

Gen X is OK, there are just too few of them to matter.

[Chad Fuck 17843]

21 minutes ago, pacman said:

Are there any good books analyzing humans decisions to follow people like Hitler and Trump?

Trump could not be any more polar opposite than his followers. They literally have nothing in common.

Hell, natural selection dictates people like Hitler and Trump should sink to the bottom of the gene pool. Yet, they find a way to convince millions to prop them up.

 

[JimmyJames 12271]

Murkowski blames “Congress” instead of the senate to deflect her own failure as a representative. She and the rest of the Republican caucus failed the country today and they know it. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

27 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

wow...WOW!

 

Marco Rubio and the rest of the Republican caucus failed the country today and they know it. His statement admits it. 

[JFKFC 4946]

Trump's strategy is brilliant. So much crime, so much corruption, so many lies - the American public becomes exhausted.

 

Time for the Dems to use the same playbook. New impeachment charges; bribery, treason, etc. Impeach Trump a 2nd time, a 3rd time, a 4th time. Impeach him over and over until the GOP senators are exhausted.