Building a gaming PC

[Fudge Nuggets 19188]

36 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

MS recommends a Ryzen 7 or i7 as their high-end spec, so if you get either a 9 or i9, you'll be just fine.

You need to make sure you have 32GB of RAM and a high-end video card more than worrying about Ryzen 9 or i9.  Especially the video card if you intend on doing the full 4K experience MS is promising.

 I still can't believe that was in-game footage.  That game looks fucking amazing.

I’m going high class on this and plan to get the GeForce 2080 Ti and 64 GB RAM unless there’s something way better in the same price range coming out in the near future.

For storage I would love to go with a 4TB SSD PCIe, but will most likely wind up with a 2TB drive just due to availability.  The SSD will have my OS and games, but will complement with an old fashioned SATA HDD for the crap that isn’t as important.

That’s the general plan for now.

[seven 1367]

One thing I really liked building my new system is the cases now make cable management so much easier. I don't really get into the rgb stuff, but love how clean an interior can be now. 

[elfenix 34223]

new nvidia cards at the end of this month, amd should have something shortly as well.  not a great time to buy a new graphics card because the market is about to shift.  if/when the old cards get discounted jump on them, or get new ones. 

Edited August 14, 2020 by elfenix

[Doc Reeves 6434]

On 8/14/2020 at 2:34 PM, elfenix said:

new nvidia cards at the end of this month, amd should have something shortly as well.  not a great time to buy a new graphics card because the market is about to shift.  if/when the old cards get discounted jump on them, or get new ones. 

Nvidia also cancelled all production of the 2080/2080tis.  

3080ti (or maybe called 3090) is planned to be release about the same time as Cyberpunk 2077 which is Nov. 7.

Ive read people expect it to be around $1200 but i would expect it to be closer to $1500.

Ive got my new updated rig sitting complete except for the new water block and card. 

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With its GeForce RTX 30-series "Ampere" graphics cards on the horizon, NVIDIA has reportedly taken the first steps toward discontinuing popular SKUs in its current RTX 20-series graphics cards. Chinese publication ITHome reports that several premium RTX 20-series SKUs, which include the RTX 2070, RTX 2070 Super, RTX 2080 Super, and the RTX 2080 Ti, are on the chopping block, meaning that NVIDIA partners are placing the last orders with upstream suppliers for parts that make up their graphics cards based on these GPUs.

It is a slow process toward product discontinuation from this point, which usually takes 6-9 months, as the market is left to soak up leftover inventory. Another juicy bit of information from the ITHome report is NVIDIA allegedly guiding its partners to increase prices of its current-gen high-end graphics cards in response to a renewal in interest in crypto-currency, which could drive up demand for graphics cards. NVIDIA is expected to announce its GeForce RTX 30-series on September 17, 2020.

 

[atomheartbevo 89626]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16057/nvidia-announces-the-geforce-rtx-30-series-ampere-for-gaming-starting-with-rtx-3080-rtx-3090

Announcement is official

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The first card out the door will be the GeForce RTX 3080. With NVIDIA touting upwards of 2x the performance of the RTX 2080, this card will go on sale on September 17th for $700. That will be followed up a week later by the even more powerful GeFoce RTX 3090, which hits the shelves September 24th for $1500. Finally, the RTX 3070, which is being positioned as more of a traditional sweet spot card, will arrive next month at $499

8K gaming at 60fps seems like you'd need kind of a beefy system.

And the 3090, and maybe 3080, take up 3 slots due to cooling.

[pearlandhorn 3269]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16057/nvidia-announces-the-geforce-rtx-30-series-ampere-for-gaming-starting-with-rtx-3080-rtx-3090

Announcement is official

8K gaming at 60fps seems like you'd need kind of a beefy system.

And the 3090, and maybe 3080, take up 3 slots due to cooling.

3080 is still a 2 slot card which is surprising.  The 3090 would pair great with a threadripper 3990x.  Of course, then you're around $5k for a CPU and GPU lol.

Nvidia just whipped it's nuts out on the table in front of AMD.  Big Navi will probably have a hard time competing with this at that price point.  You mean to tell me I can spend $500 on a GPU and essentially get a better 2080TI?  Sign me the fuck up right now.

[Fudge Nuggets 19188]

Go big or go home.  I'm getting me one of them 3090's when they come out and then wait another three months for them to actually be in stock.  The higher the number the better, right?

Glad I didn't get started on this little project before now.

[Doc Reeves 6434]

13 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Go big or go home.  I'm getting me one of them 3090's when they come out and then wait another three months for them to actually be in stock.  The higher the number the better, right?

Glad I didn't get started on this little project before now.

They really do look incredible. All you’ll need then is 3, 8K monitors at 144hz

[Fudge Nuggets 19188]

Now you’re talking. Might get four monitors and keep one as a backup. 

[pearlandhorn 3269]

Seriously considering the 3070.  I'm not a super hardcore PC gamer but do enjoy as many frames as possible.  Probably wait for a 3rd party (EVGA most likely) and see if they come out with a 3070 super or Ti version of it.  Probably won't be able to get my hands on one until after Christmas anyway.

[Doc Reeves 6434]

11 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Now you’re talking. Might get four monitors and keep one as a backup. 

It may be smart to keep the specs but just make that extra one a 55”

you know, easier in the eyes

[atomheartbevo 89626]

5 hours ago, pearlandhorn said:

Seriously considering the 3070.  I'm not a super hardcore PC gamer but do enjoy as many frames as possible.  Probably wait for a 3rd party (EVGA most likely) and see if they come out with a 3070 super or Ti version of it.  Probably won't be able to get my hands on one until after Christmas anyway.

Might be in luck.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/lenovo-confirms-rtx-3070ti-with-16gb-gddr6

 

[Doc Reeves 6434]

You know, I’m really curious about the Xe. There have been some unsubstantiated rumors that put it at very competitive clock rates and blurbs here and there about their RayT that have me interested. 
 

according to this it drops today

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-xe-graphics-all-we-know

Edited September 2, 2020 by Doc Reeves

[ztejas 43411]

On 9/1/2020 at 2:06 PM, atomheartbevo said:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16057/nvidia-announces-the-geforce-rtx-30-series-ampere-for-gaming-starting-with-rtx-3080-rtx-3090

Announcement is official

8K gaming at 60fps seems like you'd need kind of a beefy system.

And the 3090, and maybe 3080, take up 3 slots due to cooling.

Fuuuuuck those are affordable. Wonder how quickly they'll sell out and what the price will be from resale. Might want to try and flip my 1080 8GB before then.

(Shit, would anyone be interested in purchasing mine? Pm me if so. It's pretty lightly used and just collecting dust rn)

 

Edited September 2, 2020 by ztejas

[pearlandhorn 3269]

6 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Might be in luck.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/lenovo-confirms-rtx-3070ti-with-16gb-gddr6

 

If Nvidia is really going to wait until AMD releases their new specs on Big Navi to release Supers and Ti's, they're going to piss off a whole lot of people (like they did with the 2000 series).  People who are going to run out and buy these new cards (the 3080 and 3090) are going to be pissssssed they didn't wait.

[atomheartbevo 89626]

Crossposting - Guru3D has some notes on Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 and hardware/video cards.  It likes 8GB video cards, no surprise.   It will fully utilize quad-core, but after that four cores it stops utilizing them as we much (looks like 6 cores is the sweet spot).

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/microsoft_flight_simulator_(2020)_pc_graphics_performance_benchmark_review,4.html

 

[seven 1367]

Just bought a 2070 2 months ago, I didn't want to wait a few months to build a system. What's the market like for barely used cards? 

[Fudge Nuggets 19188]

dp

Edited September 3, 2020 by Fudge Nuggets

[Fudge Nuggets 19188]

4 hours ago, seven said:

Just bought a 2070 2 months ago, I didn't want to wait a few months to build a system. What's the market like for barely used cards? 

 

On 5/6/2020 at 6:02 AM, Leamas said:

I paid $1350 for my MSI 2080 TI Gaming X Trio and would happy to get back $1050 around a month or two before the aftermarket 3080 TI gets sold. If I want to sell it, I will post it here first and see if there's interest. I would rather sell locally (I'm in Tomball).

I'll give you $20 cash for it right now.  I'm just up about 15 minutes on I-45 from you.

[ztejas 43411]

Okay so anyone not trying to flip their current card on here?

*waits for a raised hand*

[Fudge Nuggets 19188]

I buy all the 2080's!!!!  Give you twenty dolla.

[elfenix 34223]

a 2080Ti might be worth $400 if 3070s can be had at MSRP

[Your Mom 4805]

Thanks to Sam Lin for pointing out this thread.  Didn't even know these sub-forums existed.

My 12 year old son wants to build his first PC soon.  He's saving the money and is almost there.  I know nothing about it but I'm looking forward to doing this together.  He has been looking at this one on PCpartpicker. (1st pic)

 https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/2cLrxr/modest-amd-gaming-build  

He plays Rainbow Six Siege, COD, etc...    He wants was to stream some of his stuff and earn a billion dollars on Twitch too.  Would that PC be a decent place for him to start?  If he had more money to spent how would is best be spent?  

The other option he's been looking at is a pre-built from NZXT (second pic, $899 version).  Any opinions?  I'd rather we build it but lately he's leaning toward the other NZXT pre-built because of something he read on some other random website...  Is either of these machines better or more suitable than the other?  

 

[Doc Reeves 6434]

2 hours ago, Your Mom said:

Thanks to Sam Lin for pointing out this thread.  Didn't even know these sub-forums existed.

My 12 year old son wants to build his first PC soon.  He's saving the money and is almost there.  I know nothing about it but I'm looking forward to doing this together.  He has been looking at this one on PCpartpicker. (1st pic)

 https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/2cLrxr/modest-amd-gaming-build  

He plays Rainbow Six Siege, COD, etc...    He wants was to stream some of his stuff and earn a billion dollars on Twitch too.  Would that PC be a decent place for him to start?  If he had more money to spent how would is best be spent?  

The other option he's been looking at is a pre-built from NZXT (second pic, $899 version).  Any opinions?  I'd rather we build it but lately he's leaning toward the other NZXT pre-built because of something he read on some other random website...  Is either of these machines better or more suitable than the other?  

 

 

I would say both are fairly capable and the performance would probably be about the same. Quality wise the build would probably be better. It is true you can get good systems prebuilt for competitive pricing if you feel confident in the places work and warranty.
Just my 2 cents from my experience would be to go with the build. The AMD he picked out is a good processor and more power efficient than the intel, so less heat. 
I’m not sure about what motherboard the prebuilt has, but chances are good the MSI he’s chosen is better. You can download bios updates easier than if the prebuilt is using a generic. 
Also, with prebuilts they sometimes will skimp on the power module which can be a headache to diagnose  
 

[ztejas 43411]

12 hours ago, elfenix said:

if 3070s can be had at MSRP

[elfenix 34223]

3 hours ago, ztejas said:

yeah, i know. 

 

@Your Mom if you're in dallas or houston you should check microcenter for some of your purchase.  3600s are usually ~$160 and they're usually fairly competitive at everything other than power supplies (not sure if these are still in short supply or not - coronavirus really fucked up the supply chain). 

[ulukinatme 1763]

How well do those Ryzen's run with stock cooling?  I've found my AMD processors tend to run hotter than Intels I've had in the past, but they also pack more punch typically.  I know Ryzens are all the rage right now.

[elfenix 34223]

31 minutes ago, ulukinatme said:

How well do those Ryzen's run with stock cooling?  I've found my AMD processors tend to run hotter than Intels I've had in the past, but they also pack more punch typically.  I know Ryzens are all the rage right now.

ryzens run cool.  this isn't TSMC's 28 nm process being flogged to 4GHz at 100+ watts.  stock cooler is serviceable though i thought the one that came with a 3600X was loud when spun up.  it was also on an open bench 2' behind me.  might be more tolerable in a case hidden under a desk. the higher up processors come with better coolers (other than the XT line) and i think the tower one is kinda decent - $15 or $20 at retail sort of thing. 

Edited September 9, 2020 by elfenix

[ulukinatme 1763]

1 minute ago, elfenix said:

ryzens run cool.  this isn't TSMC's 28 nm process being flogged to 4GHz at 100+ watts.  stock cooler is serviceable though i thought the one that came with a 3600X was loud when spun up.  it was also on an open bench 2' behind me.  might be more tolerable in a case hidden under a desk. 

I'm still using an AMD FX8320 8 core processor.  Thing still holds up surprisingly well after all this time, but it also gets super hot and I had to upgrade to a water cooled loop.  Before that I had a quad core AMD that was also pretty hot, used a giant heatsink and fan the size of two large donuts.  Been thinking of going to a Ryzen sometime soon, but the ones I want have been out of stock at my local Microcenter.

[elfenix 34223]

2 minutes ago, ulukinatme said:

used a giant heatsink and fan the size of two large donuts.

the big fans run quiet so we still use those.  a big air cooler is more quiet than a lot of water coolers (pumps are noisy, i guess). 

i have an 8320e and the dinky little cooler that thing came with was something you might have gotten with a celeron 300A back in the day.  no way that was sufficient for anything bulldozer related. 

the phenom2/athlon2 from before the FX line undervolted pretty well.  OG phenom were pretty bad about power iirc. 

[Captainant 27628]

On 9/9/2020 at 3:09 PM, ulukinatme said:

How well do those Ryzen's run with stock cooling?  I've found my AMD processors tend to run hotter than Intels I've had in the past, but they also pack more punch typically.  I know Ryzens are all the rage right now.

I use the stock cooler on a 3700x and it boosts up to 4.7ghz no problemo. Highest temps are in the 80s when I'm using all 8c/16t doing tensor flow shit

Sidenote: I am fucking HYPE for the 3080 cards. It will be nice to use the broadcast features for work calls and presentations and shit too, no more background distractions in my audio and video

[elfenix 34223]

looks like ryzen 4000 processors should debut at an october 8 keynote, with new graphics debuting a couple weeks after that.  if you're getting a 3080 you're probably safe in terms of the radeon front, but 3070 might get a challenger. 

 

Edit: rumors flying around that AMD is just shy of the 3080 in rasterization (traditional) 3D performance at lower power, but slower in ray tracing (tho faster than 2000 series)

 

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/75139/amd-big-navi-hits-spitting-distance-of-geforce-rtx-3080-performance/index.html

[Leamas 29]

On 9/3/2020 at 4:28 PM, Fudge Nuggets said:

 

I'll give you $20 cash for it right now.  I'm just up about 15 minutes on I-45 from you.

Lulz. It's likely I'll hold onto it until we get the RTX 40s, then sell it to my nephew for $100. That's life as a PC enthusiast. I'm happy I've gotten a lot out of it for two years now.

I think my next upgrade will happen when we get display port 1.5 (or whatever the next generation will be) and ultrawide 4K/144hz monitors become a reality.

[Captainant 27628]

17 hours ago, Leamas said:

Lulz. It's likely I'll hold onto it until we get the RTX 40s, then sell it to my nephew for $100. That's life as a PC enthusiast. I'm happy I've gotten a lot out of it for two years now.

I think my next upgrade will happen when we get display port 1.5 (or whatever the next generation will be) and ultrawide 4K/144hz monitors become a reality.

Hdmi 2.1 is good enough for 8k/60, so it should good for 4k/144

Edited September 15, 2020 by Captainant

[Bevo14 8303]

Well that was a solid RTX 3080 launch. Nah fuck that. I did manage to get in a preorder at b&h when that asus card went up for a little while a week ago. They haven't cancelled it yet but I'm not sure it's coming any time soon. What a bullshit launch.

[Your Mom 4805]

So the boy has ordered all the parts for the “Moderate gaming build” on pcpartpicker. Everything should be here by Saturday and we are planning to build it Sunday. First time for both of us. We bought some extra thermal paste and a ESD strap. I have all the screwdrivers and needle nose pliers.

Anything else I should pick up?  Any recommendations on monitors under $300?  And a keyboard?  Probably will buy a monitor locally in Austin since we haven’t ordered one yet. It would be a buzzkill to build the thing and not know if it’s working



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[Captainant 27628]

I would go with a 24 to 27" 1080p 144hz monitor. 

I found this one from a quick look on Amazon for $160 and it's even got 1ms response time, so it'll be extra snappy for shooters. Reviews say it's g-sync compatible but it's iffy for variable refresh rate. 

Or just go to Costco, they actually have a decent but narrow gaming monitor selection. Definitely grab a starter/cheapo keyboard and mouse and you can give upgrades as future gifts! Another thought too is to grab a WiFi adapter if the motherboard doesn't have an integrated card

Edited September 18, 2020 by Captainant

[crony 359]

This some bullshit.

 

https://www.pcmag.com/news/how-a-bot-bought-dozens-of-rtx-3080-units-before-consumers-could-grab-them

[Captainant 27628]

@Your Mom I just took a look and this monitor is pretty much perfect and is probably in stock at your local costco

https://www.costco.com/msi-optix-27"-class-fhd-freesync-curved-gaming-monitor.product.100655709.html

It looks like it has decent support for g-sync compatibility too, so that'll be one hell of a monitor

[Your Mom 4805]

Thanks Captainant!  We’ll check that out. 

[Doc Reeves 6434]

uh oooh...

Guess the market for the 3090 is already here, sort of. 
 

https://gizmodo.com/nvidias-new-rtx-3080-can-barely-run-crysis-remastered-1845110781

Nvidia's New RTX 3080 Can Barely Run Crysis: Remastered at 4K

What happens when you have a copy of Crysis: Remastered and Nvidia’s new RTX 3080 graphics card in your possession? You see if the RTX 3080 can run it, naturally. One of my hopes for Crysis: Remastered was that it would be just as punishing on PCs today as it was when originally released in 2007. Now that the game has been redone with new lighting, updated assets, ray traced reflections, 8K textures, and a bunch of other things that add a much more real and detailed look to the entire world—oh yeah, Crysis: Remastered is still the beast it was 13 years ago.

During a recent interview with PC Gamer, the game’s project lead Steffen Halbig said that “in 4K, there is no card out there which can run it in ‘Can it Run Crysis’ mode at 30 fps.” I tested that claim out for myself with the same test bench I used to review the RTX 3080: Intel i9-10900K,  Asus ROG Maximus XII, 16 GB (8 GB x 2) G.Skill Trident Z Royal 2133 Mhz, Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2 PCIe SSD, Corsair H150i Pro RGB 360mm AIO cooler, and Seasonic 1000W PSU. While running the game with every graphics setting cranked to the max will still net you just above 30 fps, that frame rate is by no means consistent. Like the Metro Exodus and Control ray tracing 4K tests I did for my RTX 3080 review, Crysis: Remastered will also cycle between stutters, freezes, and smooth frame rates. But gosh it looks so pretty!

 

Can it Run Crysis?’ is a special graphics setting that pushes the player’s PC to the max. Think of it like the ‘ultra’ setting on a lot of games. This setting cranks up the quality of objects, shadows, and other texture and lighting affects to push the limitations of your GPU. Halbig wasn’t exaggerating. Maybe the RTX 3090 will be able to run it, but the RTX 3080 struggled. It performed as well as Control did at 4K on ultra with ray tracing turned on, which wasn’t exactly playable.

If you want to get over 60 fps with all the graphical settings maxed out, dropping the resolution down to 1080p will do the trick. The game runs at a smooth 70 fps at 1080p. But it struggles at 1440p too, netting just 48 fps. Given the 15-20 fps lead the RTX 3080 has over the RTX 2080 Ti with ray tracing turned on, don’t even bother trying to get this game to run on anything lower than an RTX 3080 if you max out the settings.

On medium settings, the RTX 3080 gets an average of 110 fps on 4K and 60 fps on high at 4K, which is the minimum  setting required to activate all the ray tracing effects. That would put the RTX 2080 Ti somewhere around 90 fps and 40 fps on the same settings.

So, there still are PCs with a RTX 2080 Ti or lower that will be able to run the game, but players will have to compromise between higher frame rates and lower graphics settings or lower resolutions. One thing’s for sure—Crysis: Remastered is in a good position to make its way back into every reviewer’s list of benchmarks. I have a few fun benchmarking tests planned, so stay tuned.

[MadBurgerMaker 404]

5 hours ago, Doc Reeves said:

RTX 3080: Intel i9-10900K,  Asus ROG Maximus XII, 16 GB (8 GB x 2) G.Skill Trident Z Royal 2133 Mhz, Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2 PCIe SSD, Corsair H150i Pro RGB 360mm AIO cooler, and Seasonic 1000W PSU

It's like 3 grand for that GFX card, SSD, board, PSU, processor, etc, then they shove $60 Newegg special RAM in it.  Probably doesn't make a huge difference in something like Crysis, but it's still weird.

[Leamas 29]

And if you want to run the 9th or 10th gen Intel chip at a higher clock speed, then shell out another $80 for the AIO.

We're not close to mainstream 4K/144hz ultrawide yet. And I mean 4K at 144hz with 10-bit color and no chroma subsampling or smeared texts. Acer and Asus will rush to market the first 32-inch monitors and they will be $3000+ at launch with quality control issues. It may be one year before Dell, LG, Samsung, et al. even join the fray and the prices go down to ~$1800.

I've been rolling with the AW3418dw for a while now and it only makes sense for me to upgrade to 4K ultrawide. At this point, I'm more likely to stay with 1440p and go wider like the LG 38-incher or the G9 (quality control issues and all). Or just use an OLED TV.

[Captainant 27628]

5 minutes ago, Leamas said:

Or just use an OLED TV.

Input lag tho

[elfenix 34223]

On 9/15/2020 at 12:15 PM, Captainant said:

Hdmi 2.1 is good enough for 8k/60, so it should good for 4k/144

hdmi can handle 4k/144, but requires compression for 8k/60/120.  displayport 2 can handle 10k uncompressed.  and i took leamas's post to mean he wanted something like 5120x2160, which is just illustrative of why using columns instead of rows was and is stupid.

[Captainant 27628]

4 minutes ago, elfenix said:

hdmi can handle 4k/144, but requires compression for 8k/60/120.  displayport 2 can handle 10k uncompressed.  and i took leamas's post to mean he wanted something like 5120x2160, which is just illustrative of why using columns instead of rows was and is stupid.

HDMI 2.1 supports 4k/120 and 8k/60 with no compression by spec, but it will do 10k/120 with compression. But yeah I agree you're better off just using displayport or thunderbolt if you have the option

Edited September 23, 2020 by Captainant

[elfenix 34223]

12 minutes ago, Captainant said:

HDMI 2.1 supports 4k/120 and 8k/60 with no compression by spec, but it will do 10k/120 with compression. But yeah I agree you're better off just using displayport or thunderbolt if you have the option

that doesn't say no compression for 8k/60.

hdmi 2.1 has 42.6 Gbit/s of useable bandwidth.  8k is 33,177,600 pixels x 24 bpp x 60 hz = 47.8 Gbit/s.  47.8 > 42.6.  hdmi 2.1 does not have the bandwidth to do 8k/60 without compression. 

Edited September 23, 2020 by elfenix

[Captainant 27628]

32 minutes ago, elfenix said:

that doesn't say no compression for 8k/60.

hdmi 2.1 has 42.6 Gbit/s of useable bandwidth.  8k is 33,177,600 pixels x 24 bpp x 60 hz = 47.8 Gbit/s.  47.8 > 42.6.  hdmi 2.1 does not have the bandwidth to do 8k/60 without compression. 

first line of the hdmi 2.1 spec page says it has up to 48Gbps of bandwidth

Edited September 23, 2020 by Captainant

[elfenix 34223]

7 minutes ago, Captainant said:

first line of the hdmi 2.1 spec page says it has up to 48Gbps of bandwidth

and it has 12% overhead.  *useable* bandwidth is 42.6. 

[mapplewhite132 309]

got an order in for a 3080 founders edition last night from nvida. fingers crossed it doesn't get cancelled.