Houston Texans Offseason 2020

[Braff Zacklin 13429]

Just now, Deej said:

Good luck building a team with all the draft picks they traded away. 

Yeah, O'Brien dug them quite a hole.

Shit O-line and not much of a supporting cast. Gave away Hopkins and Clowney for virtually nothing. It's been infuriating to watch that bloated carcass of a coach/GM make one poor decision after another.

Maybe I'm seeing things through Clemson-colored glasses, but I think Watson is a franchise guy. Great leader. Clutch. Just has "it."

[Deej 76582]

The next coach is just holding a spot for whoever comes after him. They are going to waste three years of Watson's prime while they recover from BoB.

[Braff Zacklin 13429]

Fucking infuriating.

[Patrick Bateman 3903]

1 minute ago, Braff Zacklin said:

Yeah, O'Brien dug them quite a hole.

Shit O-line and not much of a supporting cast. Gave away Hopkins and Clowney for virtually nothing. It's been infuriating to watch that bloated carcass of a coach/GM make one poor decision after another.

Maybe I'm seeing things through Clemson-colored glasses, but I think Watson is a franchise guy. Great leader. Clutch. Just has "it."

Even he needs help.  Notice how he hasn't been "clutch" this year.  Not his fault necessarily, but BoB has really destroyed the assets on the balance sheet.  Bad OL.  Mediocre skill players.  Mediocre Defense.  Bad salary cap. Bad draft ledger.  The GM hire is the most important hire.  That's the difference between a 2/3 year rebuild and wandering the desert.

 

[Brothahorn 10085]

4 minutes ago, Braff Zacklin said:

Yeah, O'Brien dug them quite a hole.

Shit O-line and not much of a supporting cast. Gave away Hopkins and Clowney for virtually nothing. It's been infuriating to watch that bloated carcass of a coach/GM make one poor decision after another.

Maybe I'm seeing things through Clemson-colored glasses, but I think Watson is a franchise guy. Great leader. Clutch. Just has "it."

I agree. I actually think he is a better qb than Jackson, because he can use the whole field from the pocket. He just needs a coach/O line.

[LTtxfan 48999]

Fuck Yah.... BoB is GONE!!!

[Deej 76582]

2 minutes ago, Brothahorn said:

He just needed a competent GM.

fify.

[Brothahorn 10085]

Adam Gase	+150
Dan Quinn	+200
Matt Patricia	+600
Doug Marrone	+700
Mike Zimmer	+700
Anthony Lynn	+900
Bill O'Brien	+900
Vic Fangio	+1400
Kevin Stefanski	+2500
Matt Nagy	+2500
Frank Reich	+3300

 

BoB finally won something significant. 

[Burt Macklin 18999]

51 minutes ago, Murfdogg21 said:

2. How many top 3 or top 5 paid WRs do you see holding up Lombardi trophies?

2 of the last 5 teams to win a title had top 5  paid WRs on them, but don’t let that get in the way of your narrative. 
 

The idea to trade Hopkins was stupid. The Texans didn’t have money to sign him because they made an even dumber trade for Tunsil earlier, but that doesn’t make trading Hopkins a good move. And you’re also wrong about the Tunsil trade being market value at the time. It was a drastic overpay that no other team in the league would’ve done. 

[Braff Zacklin 13429]

Just now, Burt Macklin said:

It was a drastic overpay that no other team in the league would’ve done. 

Don't underestimate the stupidity of Jerrah.

[RollLeft 5040]

I stopped watching the day he was hired.  What a joke that guy was.  

[Deej 76582]

2 minutes ago, RollLeft said:

I stopped watching the day he was hired.  What a joke that guy was.  

The joke was making him GM.

It was like putting Vic Mackey in charge of the Victoria's Secret Runway show.

Edited October 6, 2020 by Deej

[ztejas 43266]

1 minute ago, Burt Macklin said:

2 of the last 5 teams to win a title had top 5  paid WRs on them, but don’t let that get in the way of your narrative. 
 

The idea to trade Hopkins was stupid. The Texans didn’t have money to sign him because they made an even dumber trade for Tunsil earlier, but that doesn’t make trading Hopkins a good move. And you’re also wrong about the Tunsil trade being market value at the time. It was a drastic overpay that no other team in the league would’ve done. 

Thanks Burt. I'm exhausted and didn't have the energy to reply to what he wrote. I think you captured my main points. My MAIN point would have been that teams win super bowls in all kinds of ways. There is no proven "formula". Nowhere in the book does it say "don't make a top 3 wide receiver the highest paid receiver in the NFL". 

It's almost impossible to win back to back super bowls, especially in this era. The league constantly asjusts and readjusts to itself and refines everything on the field. It's either the most competitive or 2nd most competitive sports league on the planet - no one has it figured out. 

[Murfdogg21 4412]

38 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

2 of the last 5 teams to win a title had top 5  paid WRs on them, but don’t let that get in the way of your narrative. 
 

The idea to trade Hopkins was stupid. The Texans didn’t have money to sign him because they made an even dumber trade for Tunsil earlier, but that doesn’t make trading Hopkins a good move. And you’re also wrong about the Tunsil trade being market value at the time. It was a drastic overpay that no other team in the league would’ve done. 

2019 KC - Tyreek Hill was on last year of rookie deal and made $2.2M (he had signed a 3 year extension but was still on rookie deal)

2018 Patriots - Edelman made $3.9M and Chris Hogan made $3.5M

2017 Eagles - Alshon Jeffery made $10.7M

2016 Patriots - Edelman and Hogan again

2015 Broncos - Demaryius Thomas made $13.2M (was this top 5 money?)

You didn’t exactly refute the point that having the top paid WR or committing 12+% of your salary cap to one WR is the way to win championships. The conclusion is to have a great defense and/or Tom Brady or Pat Mahomes with several competent weapons. 

Edited October 6, 2020 by Murfdogg21

[Harrison Stafford 3327]

Well, Bill, I guess we let it all play out.

[Brothahorn 10085]

Someone at ESPN actually wrote a decent article.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30048456/the-texans-fired-bill-obrien-now-barnwell-strange-timing-rocky-tenure-houston-future

 

 

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Monday's news that the Houston Texans were firing head coach/general manager Bill O'Brien after an 0-4 start was somehow simultaneously stunning and not surprising at all. I've been skeptical of O'Brien's decision-making since he assumed personnel power in 2019, with move after move seemingly betraying either a lack of long-term vision or a failure to understand how the rest of the NFL values players. I can understand why Texans ownership would evaluate those moves and plan to find a solution to replace O'Brien as the team's general manager in the years to come.

Firing O'Brien the coach right now, though, makes absolutely no sense. The Texans are 0-4 and flailing in the AFC South, but they've played the league's toughest schedule, with games against the Chiefs, Ravens and Steelers before a loss on Sunday to the Vikings. Losing to the previously winless Vikings obviously isn't anything great, but O'Brien had won four division titles in his prior five seasons with the organization. Four losses against mostly excellent competition shouldn't be enough to drastically steer the organizational ship in the opposite direction and start a brand-new direction. It makes you wonder how much ownership was actually paying attention before this slow start.

Let's split the decision across O'Brien's two different roles, because I look at each differently:

Firing Bill O'Brien the GM

How much could really have changed between now and the end of August? Sure, O'Brien's decision to trade away wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins for running back David Johnson and a second-round pick doesn't look great, but it looked bad in March when ownership presumably signed off on the idea of trading away the team's star player. Other trade acquisitions such as running back Duke Johnson and cornerback Gareon Conley have been injured. The overpays for low-ceiling free agents such as wideout Randall Cobb and safety Eric Murray haven't gone well -- the Texans were interested in free agent Earl Thomas to replace Murray in the starting lineup, with Justin Reid playing more strong safety, before O'Brien's players reportedly talked him out of the move -- but those were decisions that looked awful at the time.

 

O'Brien paid over the odds to lock up young core pieces including quarterback Deshaun Watson, offensive tackle Laremy Tunsil and linebacker Zach Cunningham, handing out contracts that were more generous than market value, but that's also not a fireable offense. Under any circumstances, the level of oversight from Texans ownership is baffling. There was a time to pull the reins back on O'Brien, but it was a while ago. His 2019 moves suggested he was overmatched when it came to trades and contract negotiations. Letting him get a second offseason in charge of personnel decisions was the mistake ownership made.

OK, so, with the Texans spending a league-high $249.3 million on players this season while starting 0-4, why not correct that mistake as early as possible and get O'Brien out of the GM chair? For one, they can't go out and get an immediate replacement. Early reports suggest Houston will turn things over to former Patriots chaplain Jack Easterby, who was brought by O'Brien to Houston in 2019 and became vice president of football operations in 2020. Pretty much every bad move O'Brien has made over the past two years has come with Easterby in the picture, so the idea that Easterby is somehow going to fix the problems left with this organization after O'Brien's departure seems curious.

Furthermore, while the Texans have Watson and several other promising young players, this is going to be one of the least appealing jobs in the league. The Texans didn't have their first- or second-round picks in 2018 after trading for Watson and dumping Brock Osweiler's contract. They sent away 2020 first- and second-round selections as part of the trades for Tunsil and wide receiver Brandin Cooks, and while they got one back in the Hopkins deal, they don't have their first- or second-round choices in 2021.

Any general manager who takes this job is going to be feeling the pinch of those missing picks and won't get another crack at a high pick until 2022. Ownership just committed a ton of money to contracts, meaning the Texans aren't likely to be aggressive in free agency over the next year or two. Plus, while some would-be general managers might be interested if they can get time to retool the roster and restock the draft capital, Houston has been wildly erratic with its timelines. Since owner Cal McNair took control after the death of his father in 2018, he has fired general manager Brian Gaine after winning a division title in his only year on the job, let O'Brien reshape the organization to his liking, then fired the former Penn State coach after an 0-4 start. Why would any promising executive with options elsewhere want to take on this role?

 

In reality, when the Texans let O'Brien trade away a boatload of draft picks to acquire Tunsil and moved on from Hopkins, they should have committed themselves to seeing the O'Brien experiment through until the end of 2021. That would have been the right time to reevaluate things, and if the Texans were going to move on from their coach/GM at that point, they could hire someone with a fully stocked closet of draft picks and the chance to get out from under several of O'Brien's questionable contracts.

Firing O'Brien now acknowledges that the Texans were wrong to give him that sort of power, but it doesn't do anything to alleviate the problems. A more realistic path would have been to use the veto power of ownership to block anything particularly egregious O'Brien had planned and tell him he was going to need to win with the roster he spent months building. That might not have gone over well -- and it's possible O'Brien wasn't willing to work as a coach if he didn't have full power as general manager -- but the team made this bed for itself over the past two years. An 0-4 start shouldn't have been what made the Texans realize their mistake.

Firing Bill O'Brien the head coach

Let's add offensive playcaller to his list of duties after reports that O'Brien took over in Week 4. At times, though, his solution for any plan seemed to be rubbing more Bill on it and hoping it fixed the problem, which seemed ill-advised given that O'Brien had ceded playcalling duties to Tim Kelly in only February.

Leave O'Brien the general manager aside, though, and think strictly about the coaching side of things. Can you really justify this move? O'Brien took over a 2-14 team with Ryan Fitzpatrick at quarterback and posted five winning seasons in six years at the helm. The only losing season he had was when Watson tore his ACL in 2017. The Texans were 52-48 over O'Brien's six-plus years at the helm, but they won four division titles in five years.

 

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I wasn't optimistic about their chances of succeeding in 2020, and O'Brien hadn't been able to push them toward an AFC title game, but how many coaches get fired after an 0-4 start against a brutally difficult schedule with that sort of résumé? It seems impossible O'Brien was fired while both the Lions' Matt Patricia and the Jets' Adam Gase still have their jobs.

It would be one thing if the Texans were firing O'Brien after the season and had a high-profile replacement for the job such as Lincoln Riley or Dabo Swinney. Firing him with a plan after a disappointing campaign would have been more defensible, even if I think it would have been a little harsh given years of relative success. Without a general manager, Easterby also seems set to play a meaningful role in the hiring process.

Instead, the Texans are promoting 73-year-old Romeo Crennel to take over as the team's interim coach. Crennel, who was promoted upstairs after the Chiefs torched his defense in the divisional round, is not going to reshape the Texans. He's 28-55 as a head coach in his career. The worst thing that could happen now is they could improve against an easier schedule and convince McNair to keep Crennel on as their permanent coach.

It's exactly what happened in 2011, when the Chiefs ended a messy relationship with Todd Haley after a 5-8 start and promoted Crennel to the role. He finished 2-1, with the Chiefs upsetting an undefeated Packers team in his debut. Kansas City handed the permanent job to Crennel, who ... promptly went 2-14 and lost his job after a year. In the long run, it worked out brilliantly for Kansas City, which was then able to hire Andy Reid after the Eagles moved on from the future Hall of Fame coach, but Crennel's luck in a small sample set the Chiefs franchise back a year.

The Texans will be better over the rest of the season, but I suspect that will mostly be a product of the schedule getting easier. The problems on this team still exist. The trades left them with little depth. Too many of the core players (David Johnson, Will Fuller, J.J. Watt and even Watson) have major injury concerns from season to season. The secondary is a disaster, and the Texans have no clear path to fixing it. The contracts handed out and trades made by O'Brien the general manager limit the flexibility any new coach will have in reshaping the roster.

 

Again, it's hard to believe ownership let O'Brien reshape the roster this spring, saw what the first month of the Texans' season was going to look like and then fired their football czar after he started 0-4. Sunday's game might have gone in a different direction if Fuller had come down with a one-handed catch in the end zone in the fourth quarter, which would have given the Texans the opportunity to tie the game with a 2-pointer. If Fuller came down with that catch and the Texans came back to win the football game, would ownership have given O'Brien a reprieve? Would his plans over the past 18 months suddenly have made more sense? Did it take a loss to the Vikings for McNair to pay attention to what was wrong with his football team?

Before the season, I compared O'Brien to Chip Kelly. Like O'Brien, the former Eagles coach parlayed his success in college to an NFL head-coaching role, then used his success as a coach to win a power struggle and take over personnel duties. Kelly then made a series of bizarre decisions in free agency and via trade, and when his team failed to live up to expectations, the Eagles fired him.

Kelly at least got a full season to prove his choices were as foolish as they seemed. O'Brien has had a year and four games, but he made it into the playoffs in his first season with both roles before the ugly start to 2020. Both seem subject to the Peter Principle, the idea that people in a company will rise to the level where they can prove they're overmatched. O'Brien will get another job as a coach, but it's difficult to imagine another team handing him personnel duties after he made nearly two years of widely panned moves.

In the end, there was nobody left for O'Brien to use as an excuse, no power to grab and no promotion to achieve. The only person more powerful than O'Brien in the organization, McNair, is the one who made the decision to cut ties with O'Brien and his plan for the team after a month of bad football. I can understand why McNair made his decision, but it seems impossible to separate what O'Brien has done from the opportunity McNair gave him to make those decisions. McNair can right the ship and turn things around if the Texans make the right hires for O'Brien's old positions this offseason, but neither job looks particularly appealing. McNair also has proved he's not up to his job over the past two years, but as O'Brien was reminded Monday, you can't fire an owner.

 

 

 

[Macklemore 2870]

Jack Easterby is the Rasputin of the Texans. Like the original, he has come out of nowhere with a hold over those in power that can’t be explained. Hopefully, he will be easier to “kill” off than the real one. I don’t want him to have any hand over choosing our GM and coach. He can stay on as chaplain but nothing more. No more Patriots retreads.

Edited October 6, 2020 by Macklemore

[pacman 7331]

2 hours ago, Deej said:

Good luck building a team with all the draft picks they traded away. 

Oilers fans played the long game installing saboteur O'Brien. He could not have done a better job.

 

Agree with the above, like Watson and hopeful he is able to find success.

Edited October 6, 2020 by pacman

[ztejas 43266]

1 hour ago, Murfdogg21 said:

The conclusion is to have a great defense and/or Tom Brady or Pat Mahomes with several competent weapons. 

Jesus you're like a toddler floating around in high tide at Big Sur. I think if you knew what it took to win a super bowl then you would be getting paid for your takes and not posting here.

For starters, you should include every team that's made it that far since that's basically the entire battle. Anything can happen on the field in the final game. See: 2007 Super Bowl.

So, let's take the past 40 teams to play in the Super Bowl - since 2000. I would bet there were quite a few outside the top 10 in scoring defense. I'm not going to bother looking it up because I'm confident enough in that assessment. I'd guess something like 15/40.

If you're refutation there is "yeah but they had an all time QB" then what do you think Deshaun is? I think Deshaun is already about as good as Matt Ryan has maybe ever been in his career. He's better than Rothleisberger or Nick Foles. Probably just a step under Rodgers. 

 

Edited October 6, 2020 by ztejas

[Funk Doctor Spock 11943]

Just wanted to extend my congratulations on this board for finally getting rid of the cancer of a HC/GM. That's awesome! 

[BurntOrange&White 39691]

Best off season ever?

[Murfdogg21 4412]

15 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Jesus you're like a toddler floating around in high tide at Big Sur. I think if you knew what it took to win a super bowl then you would be getting paid for your takes and not posting here.

For starters, you should include every team that's made it that far since that's basically the entire battle. Anything can happen on the field in the final game. See: 2007 Super Bowl.

So, let's take the past 40 teams to play in the Super Bowl - since 2000. I would bet there were quite a few outside the top 10 in scoring defense. I'm not going to bother looking it up because I'm confident enough in that assessment. I'd guess something like 15/40.

If you're refutation there is "yeah but they had an all time QB" then what do you think Deshaun is? I think Deshaun is already about as good as Matt Ryan has maybe ever been in his career. He's better than Rothleisberger or Nick Foles. Probably just a step under Rodgers. 

 

Fine, you’re right. If Hopkins had stayed and got a $55M extension, the Texans would’ve won a Super Bowl in the next 4 years. 
 

I acknowledged he was great. I said historically that signing the highest paid WRs doesn’t translate into SB championships, that there are other positions where the big bucks are better spent. Having good but not great WRs (and RBs) is typically enough around a strong QB and OL. Your buddy threw out the “2 of the last 5 champions” stat, so I looked it up. 

[ztejas 43266]

33 minutes ago, Murfdogg21 said:

Fine, you’re right. If Hopkins had stayed and got a $55M extension, the Texans would’ve won a Super Bowl in the next 4 years. 
 

I acknowledged he was great. I said historically that signing the highest paid WRs doesn’t translate into SB championships, that there are other positions where the big bucks are better spent. Having good but not great WRs (and RBs) is typically enough around a strong QB and OL. Your buddy threw out the “2 of the last 5 champions” stat, so I looked it up. 

I might agree with you if Hopkins didn't raise a team's floor more than any other WR in the league. Or if we haven't seen a bevy of different looking SB champs and contenders in the pat 10 years. He's more than great. It is painfully obvious how much Deshaun is missing a possession guy that can consistently get open - especially on 3rd down. Meanwhile Kyler is a kid in a candy store in AZ. 

Tunsil is just one of 5 guys on the OLine. He's not winning games by himself. It's easier to find a guy like Tunsil in the draft than Hopkins. Not that we will be able to find out with our current pick situation.

[texasjacket 289]

So who is going to be the GM now?

[Guest]

11 hours ago, Braff Zacklin said:

 

Maybe I'm seeing things through Clemson-colored glasses, but I think Watson is a franchise guy. Great leader. Clutch. Just has "it."

He's a great player who has repeatedly been fucked over by his organization.

[demos 2992]

So who is going to be the GM now?

Does it really matter?

Hell, I’m available for a low price. Can’t do worse than bob.

[Guest]

11 hours ago, RollLeft said:

I stopped watching the day he was hired.  What a joke that guy was.  

I was no Kubiak fan either, as least his coaching.  BoB was a disaster hire.  "We gonna be smart like the Patriots!"

wrong.   Way fucking wrong.

I have many friends and a wife who love the Texans.  I never have come around on the organization. Sure, there have been players I pulled for, but I have never liked the way the team was run. BoB took that to another level. I would love to see them get things pointed in the right direction.

[Rip76 4914]

Urban to Texans?

Discussing that one 610.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

Everything they need to do now needs to be looking forward to around 2023.  And that is at the earliest.  Start trading what you can for future picks.  I don't think we have much of value to trade.  Start eating the bad contracts now.  

[TonyTexas 10482]

6 minutes ago, Rip76 said:

Urban to Texans?

Discussing that one 610.

I say no to college coaches. For every Harbaugh or Carroll there are a dozen Schiannos. 

[Asithappens 974]

9 minutes ago, Rip76 said:

Urban to Texans?

Discussing that one 610.

Not a big fan of that move but it would be a very big improvement.

It's almost like it's "Go Titans!" time here in Houston.

[d2o 1602]

2 hours ago, slorch said:

I was no Kubiak fan either, as least his coaching.  BoB was a disaster hire.  "We gonna be smart like the Patriots!"

wrong.   Way fucking wrong.

I have many friends and a wife who love the Texans.  I never have come around on the organization. Sure, there have been players I pulled for, but I have never liked the way the team was run. BoB took that to another level. I would love to see them get things pointed in the right direction.

At what point do teams start saying "Hey not one guy from the Belichek tree has done shit!  Maybe we should stop valuing those guys."       

Edited October 6, 2020 by d2o

[Macklemore 2870]

12 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Everything they need to do now needs to be looking forward to around 2023.  And that is at the earliest.  Start trading what you can for future picks.  I don't think we have much of value to trade.  Start eating the bad contracts now.  

Spot on. Have to give the new GM at least 5 years to get the Texans out of the ditch that buttchin put us in. We are hamstrung by the cap and loss of draft capital because of the idiotic moves that were made. We have to get elite personnel guys to be able to squeeze every draft pick, UDFAs and affordable FAs into impact players. The 3rd-5th rounds is where the best run teams make hay and we have been absolutely terrible at for the entire existence of this team. NONE of our 2020 draft picks played a snap during the Vikings game. That is an indictment on how bad an evaluator of talent he was. I am a fan of the Ravens organization and want to poach Hortiz and any guys he can bring with him. Louis Riddick on ESPN has experience in NFL front office. He is sharp as fuck and would be a great addition to the team. Kansas City, Seattle and the Ravens are the organizations to look for to find our next GM

Edited October 6, 2020 by Macklemore

[Macklemore 2870]

There is a narrative unfortunately that seems to only apply to black coaches about who calls the plays and runs an offense or defense that doesn't apply to white coaches. When Peterson and Nagy were under Reid, who called the plays? When all those offensive coaches who got head coaching jobs were under Holmgren who called the plays (hint Andy Reid was on his staff)? Bieniemy is heavily involved in the offense. Good article about the system in KC

Reid has pushed back on that by saying everyone is involved with picking plays and that “my energy” is devoted to making sure there are good plays to pick. Bieniemy also downplayed the notion that he’s a bystander while Reid runs the show.

https://sports.yahoo.com/eric-bieniemy-calling-plays-people-133602368.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHVgceGOQquawm6sjdBcRtBXnIr9gVMfO8_LgHczJ0M6spD3GcMo1BvK-EOJK4x8fG4nHQM59CA5gL9b27Vr-yQQanc4EseRsSXPj87mk4U5RB2uH7vsjlVNNve8sC9l0PPUh26Jssafd8mxJXYkBU_UWmaTRrr6m6ru7pmz3G8n

Edited October 6, 2020 by Macklemore

[Hate 20103]

I’d love to see Bienemy get his chance with the Texans.

[Murfdogg21 4412]

Even if Bienemy isn’t calling the plays, do you want your HC calling plays? HC needs to hire the best coordinators and position coaches he can, and on game day focus on the big picture offensive and defensive strategy, clock management, time outs, 4th downs, special teams choices, etc. People who have the unfortunate luck of being both Texas and Texans fans have seen a real shortcoming in this for the past 7 years. 

[Tylerocks 2551]

Yeah...you want to be the guy after the next guy.  The poor sap that takes this gig is going to suck balls for a few years, and hopefully sets the table for the NEXT guy to take that step.

This franchise is such a mess.

Minimal talent, no depth, no 1st or 2nd round picks the next 2 years, no tradeable assets.  It's going to get worse before it gets better.

 

[d2o 1602]

13 minutes ago, Tylerocks said:

Yeah...you want to be the guy after the next guy.  The poor sap that takes this gig is going to suck balls for a few years, and hopefully sets the table for the NEXT guy to take that step.

This franchise is such a mess.

Minimal talent, no depth, no 1st or 2nd round picks the next 2 years, no tradeable assets.  It's going to get worse before it gets better.

 

That is really the only reason that I don't necessarily want Beinemy to get the job but he is more deserving than any of the main guys I have seen mentioned (McDaniels and Lincoln Riley).

Edited October 6, 2020 by d2o

[Rip76 4914]

Dabo?  

Reunited with Watson

[d2o 1602]

7 minutes ago, Rip76 said:

Dabo?  

Reunited with Watson

Depends on if you think a college only coach or a pro-level coordinator is a better HC candidate I guess.   I would prefer the latter as the games are pretty different.

[ztejas 43266]

2 minutes ago, d2o said:

Depends on if you think a college only coach or a pro-level coordinator is a better HC candidate I guess.   I would prefer the latter as the games are pretty different.

Or if you think there's any fucking way Dabo would leave Clempson.

[Macklemore 2870]

2 minutes ago, d2o said:

Depends on if you think a college only coach or a pro-level coordinator is a better HC candidate I guess.   I would prefer the latter as the games are pretty different.

I would kill for Dabo to be the coach of either the Horns or Texans. He is everything you'd want to have as a head coach. I have been a fan of his and of Clemson and the players he has molded. Read about his life story and anyone would become a fan.

[d2o 1602]

1 minute ago, ztejas said:

Or if you think there's any fucking way Dabo would leave Clempson.

Well, that too.

[d2o 1602]

1 minute ago, Macklemore said:

I would kill for Dabo to be the coach of either the Horns or Texans. He is everything you'd want to have as a head coach. I have been a fan of his and of Clemson and the players he has molded. Read about his life story and anyone would become a fan.

Meh, I dont think he works on the pro-level.   I don't think he can connect with guys who scholly he cant pull at any moment.

[Saint Tacky 1610]

Count me in for Eric "sleeping with" Bieniemy

[Gourmand 7774]

LOL

 

 

[Hate 20103]

Wow. That’s pretty telling post by JJ.

[ztejas 43266]

JJ needs a statue in Houston when this is all said in done. Not like, outside the stadium, but outside the county courthouse or on the SJ monument complex.

[Burt Macklin 18999]

20 minutes ago, Gourmand said:

LOL

 

 

This guy fucks. 

[Gourmand 7774]

Between this and him publicly calling out rookie Ross Blacklock (has that guy shown anything yet?), it makes you wonder how bad the team culture is between players and coaching staff.

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