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How can they be juicing that much and suck so bad?

Having a great physique is nice, but it doesn’t equate to functional strength, speed, or agility. Or good coaching. Just ask Bennie Wylie.

It’s good for standing in a squat rack and flexing in the mirror, though. 

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Ole Miss is having a really bad week, first the girl murdered by the douchebag from Fort Worth and now this:

 

https://www.propublica.org/article/ole-miss-students-pose-with-guns-in-front-of-shot-up-emmett-till-memorial

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OXFORD, Miss. — Three University of Mississippi students have been suspended from their fraternity house and face possible investigation by the Department of Justice after posing with guns in front of a bullet-riddled sign honoring slain civil rights icon Emmett Till.

One of the students posted a photo to his private Instagram account in March showing the trio in front of a roadside plaque commemorating the site where Till’s body was recovered from the Tallahatchie River. The 14-year-old black youth was tortured and murdered in August 1955. An all-white, all-male jury acquitted two white men accused of the slaying.

The photo, which was obtained by the Mississippi Center for Investigative Reporting and ProPublica, shows an Ole Miss student named Ben LeClere holding a shotgun while standing in front of the bullet-pocked sign. His Kappa Alpha fraternity brother, John Lowe, squats below the sign. A third fraternity member stands on the other side with an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle. The photo appears to have been taken at night, the scene illuminated by lights from a vehicle.

 

LeClere posted the picture on Lowe’s birthday on March 1 with the message “one of Memphis’s finest and the worst influence I’ve ever met.”

Neither LeClere nor Lowe responded to repeated attempts to contact them.

 

It is not clear whether the fraternity students shot the sign or are simply posing before it. The sign is part of a memorial effort by the Emmett Till Memorial Commission, a Mississippi civil rights group, and has been repeatedly vandalized, most recently in August 2018. Till’s death helped propel the modern civil rights movement in America.

Five days after LeClere posted the photo, a person who saw it filed a bias report to the university’s Office of Student Conduct. The complaint pointed out there may have been a fourth person present, who took the picture.

“The photo is on Instagram with hundreds of ‘likes,’ and no one said a thing,” said the complaint, a copy of which was reviewed by the Mississippi Center for Investigative Reporting and ProPublica. “I cannot tell Ole Miss what to do, I just thought it should be brought to your attention.”

The photo was removed from LeClere’s Instagram account after the Mississippi Center for Investigative Reporting and ProPublica began contacting fraternity members and friends. It had received 274 likes.

Kappa Alpha suspended the trio on Wednesday, after the news organizations provided a copy of the photo to fraternity officials at Ole Miss. The fraternity, which honors Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee as its “spiritual founder” on its website, has a history of racial controversy, including an incident in which students wore blackface at a Kappa Alpha sponsored Halloween party at the University of Virginia in 2002.

 

20190725-emmett-till-inline-2.jpg Patrick Weems, executive director of the Emmett Till Memorial Commission, takes down a bullet-riddled sign honoring the slain youth, whose death helped propel the civil rights movement in America. (Courtesy of Emmett Till Interpretive Center)

“The photo is inappropriate, insensitive and unacceptable. It does not represent our chapter,” Taylor Anderson, president of Ole Miss’ Kappa Alpha Order, wrote in an email. “We have and will continue to be in communication with our national organization and the University.”

After viewing the photo, U.S. Attorney Chad Lamar of the Northern District of Mississippi in Oxford said the information has been referred to the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division for further investigation.

“We will be working with them closely,” he said Thursday.

University officials called the photo “offensive and hurtful.”

University spokesman Rod Guajardo acknowledged that an Ole Miss official had received a copy of the Instagram picture in March. The university referred the matter to the university police department, which in turn gave it to the FBI.

Guajardo said the FBI told police it would not further investigate the incident because the photo did not pose a specific threat.

Guajardo said that while the university considered the picture “offensive,” the image did not present a violation of the university’s code of conduct. He noted the incident depicted in the photo occurred off campus and was not part of a university-affiliated event.

“We stand ready to assist the fraternity with educational opportunities for those members and the chapter,” Guajardo said.

Vandals threw the first sign in the river. The second sign was blasted with 317 bullets or shotgun pellets before the Emmett Till Memorial Commission officials removed it. The third sign, featured in the Instagram photo, was damaged by 10 bullet holes before officials took it down last week. A fourth sign, designed to better withstand attacks, is expected to be installed soon.

News of the suspensions and referral to the Justice Department came as Till’s cousin, Deborah Watts, co-founder of the Emmett Till Legacy Foundation, was already planning a moment of silence Thursday to honor her cousin with a gathering of supporters and friends dressed in black and white in “a silent yet powerful protest against racism, hatred and violence.” Thursday is Till’s birthday. Had he lived, he would have been 78 years old.

This is not the first time Ole Miss fraternity students have been caught up in an incident involving an icon from the civil rights movement.

 

20190725-emmett-till-inline-3.jpg Weems taking down the bullet-riddled sign. (Courtesy of Emmett Till Interpretive Center)

In 2014, three students from the Sigma Phi Epsilon fraternity house placed a noose around the neck of a statue on campus of James Meredith, the first known black student to attend Ole Miss. They also placed a Georgia flag of the past that contains the Confederate battle emblem.

According to federal prosecutors, the freshmen students hatched the plan during a drinking fest at the house, where one student disparaged African Americans, saying this act would create a sensation: “It’s James Meredith. People will go crazy.”

One pleaded guilty and received six months in prison for using a threat of force to intimidate African American students and employees because of their race or color. Another student also pleaded guilty. He received probation and community service after he cooperated with the FBI. A third man wasn’t charged.

All three students withdrew from Ole Miss, and the Sigma Phi Epsilon fraternity’s national headquarters shuttered its chapter on the Ole Miss campus after its own investigation, blaming the closing on behavior that included “hazing, underage drinking, alcohol abuse and failure to comply with the university and fraternity’s codes of conduct.”

 

Shirley L. Smith and Debbie Skipper of the Mississippi Center for Investigative Reporting and Thalia Beaty, Benjamin Hardy and Claire Perlman of ProPublica contributed to this report.

Jerry Mitchell is an investigative reporter for the Mississippi Center for Investigative Reporting, a nonprofit news organization that seeks to hold public officials accountable and empower citizens in their communities.

Email him at Jerry.Mitchell.MCIR@gmail.com and follow him on Facebook at @JerryMitchellReporter and on Twitter at @jmitchellnews.

If you have any information about the people who took this picture or who appeared in it, please let us know at Mississippi@ProPublica.org.

Correction, July 25, 2019: An earlier version of this story misidentified John Lowe as holding an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle. Lowe is squatting beneath the sign without a rifle.

 

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Ole Miss is having a really bad week, first the girl murdered by the douchebag from Fort Worth and now this:

 

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OXFORD, Miss. — Three University of Mississippi students have been suspended from their fraternity house and face possible investigation by the Department of Justice after posing with guns in front of a bullet-riddled sign honoring slain civil rights icon Emmett Till.

One of the students posted a photo to his private Instagram account in March showing the trio in front of a roadside plaque commemorating the site where Till’s body was recovered from the Tallahatchie River. The 14-year-old black youth was tortured and murdered in August 1955. An all-white, all-male jury acquitted two white men accused of the slaying.

The photo, which was obtained by the Mississippi Center for Investigative Reporting and ProPublica, shows an Ole Miss student named Ben LeClere holding a shotgun while standing in front of the bullet-pocked sign. His Kappa Alpha fraternity brother, John Lowe, squats below the sign. A third fraternity member stands on the other side with an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle. The photo appears to have been taken at night, the scene illuminated by lights from a vehicle.

 

LeClere posted the picture on Lowe’s birthday on March 1 with the message “one of Memphis’s finest and the worst influence I’ve ever met.”

Neither LeClere nor Lowe responded to repeated attempts to contact them.

 

It is not clear whether the fraternity students shot the sign or are simply posing before it. The sign is part of a memorial effort by the Emmett Till Memorial Commission, a Mississippi civil rights group, and has been repeatedly vandalized, most recently in August 2018. Till’s death helped propel the modern civil rights movement in America.

Five days after LeClere posted the photo, a person who saw it filed a bias report to the university’s Office of Student Conduct. The complaint pointed out there may have been a fourth person present, who took the picture.

“The photo is on Instagram with hundreds of ‘likes,’ and no one said a thing,” said the complaint, a copy of which was reviewed by the Mississippi Center for Investigative Reporting and ProPublica. “I cannot tell Ole Miss what to do, I just thought it should be brought to your attention.”

The photo was removed from LeClere’s Instagram account after the Mississippi Center for Investigative Reporting and ProPublica began contacting fraternity members and friends. It had received 274 likes.

Kappa Alpha suspended the trio on Wednesday, after the news organizations provided a copy of the photo to fraternity officials at Ole Miss. The fraternity, which honors Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee as its “spiritual founder” on its website, has a history of racial controversy, including an incident in which students wore blackface at a Kappa Alpha sponsored Halloween party at the University of Virginia in 2002.

 

20190725-emmett-till-inline-2.jpg Patrick Weems, executive director of the Emmett Till Memorial Commission, takes down a bullet-riddled sign honoring the slain youth, whose death helped propel the civil rights movement in America. (Courtesy of Emmett Till Interpretive Center)

“The photo is inappropriate, insensitive and unacceptable. It does not represent our chapter,” Taylor Anderson, president of Ole Miss’ Kappa Alpha Order, wrote in an email. “We have and will continue to be in communication with our national organization and the University.”

After viewing the photo, U.S. Attorney Chad Lamar of the Northern District of Mississippi in Oxford said the information has been referred to the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division for further investigation.

“We will be working with them closely,” he said Thursday.

University officials called the photo “offensive and hurtful.”

University spokesman Rod Guajardo acknowledged that an Ole Miss official had received a copy of the Instagram picture in March. The university referred the matter to the university police department, which in turn gave it to the FBI.

Guajardo said the FBI told police it would not further investigate the incident because the photo did not pose a specific threat.

Guajardo said that while the university considered the picture “offensive,” the image did not present a violation of the university’s code of conduct. He noted the incident depicted in the photo occurred off campus and was not part of a university-affiliated event.

“We stand ready to assist the fraternity with educational opportunities for those members and the chapter,” Guajardo said.

Vandals threw the first sign in the river. The second sign was blasted with 317 bullets or shotgun pellets before the Emmett Till Memorial Commission officials removed it. The third sign, featured in the Instagram photo, was damaged by 10 bullet holes before officials took it down last week. A fourth sign, designed to better withstand attacks, is expected to be installed soon.

News of the suspensions and referral to the Justice Department came as Till’s cousin, Deborah Watts, co-founder of the Emmett Till Legacy Foundation, was already planning a moment of silence Thursday to honor her cousin with a gathering of supporters and friends dressed in black and white in “a silent yet powerful protest against racism, hatred and violence.” Thursday is Till’s birthday. Had he lived, he would have been 78 years old.

This is not the first time Ole Miss fraternity students have been caught up in an incident involving an icon from the civil rights movement.

 

20190725-emmett-till-inline-3.jpg Weems taking down the bullet-riddled sign. (Courtesy of Emmett Till Interpretive Center)

In 2014, three students from the Sigma Phi Epsilon fraternity house placed a noose around the neck of a statue on campus of James Meredith, the first known black student to attend Ole Miss. They also placed a Georgia flag of the past that contains the Confederate battle emblem.

According to federal prosecutors, the freshmen students hatched the plan during a drinking fest at the house, where one student disparaged African Americans, saying this act would create a sensation: “It’s James Meredith. People will go crazy.”

One pleaded guilty and received six months in prison for using a threat of force to intimidate African American students and employees because of their race or color. Another student also pleaded guilty. He received probation and community service after he cooperated with the FBI. A third man wasn’t charged.

All three students withdrew from Ole Miss, and the Sigma Phi Epsilon fraternity’s national headquarters shuttered its chapter on the Ole Miss campus after its own investigation, blaming the closing on behavior that included “hazing, underage drinking, alcohol abuse and failure to comply with the university and fraternity’s codes of conduct.”

 

Shirley L. Smith and Debbie Skipper of the Mississippi Center for Investigative Reporting and Thalia Beaty, Benjamin Hardy and Claire Perlman of ProPublica contributed to this report.

Jerry Mitchell is an investigative reporter for the Mississippi Center for Investigative Reporting, a nonprofit news organization that seeks to hold public officials accountable and empower citizens in their communities.

Email him at Jerry.Mitchell.MCIR@gmail.com and follow him on Facebook at @JerryMitchellReporter and on Twitter at @jmitchellnews.

If you have any information about the people who took this picture or who appeared in it, please let us know at Mississippi@ProPublica.org.

Correction, July 25, 2019: An earlier version of this story misidentified John Lowe as holding an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle. Lowe is squatting beneath the sign without a rifle.

 

 

Just drop those frat daddies off at the gym from the post a few above & let justice take it's course.

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1 hour ago, C-Man said:
aggy is definitely a better “cultural fit” with these racist fuckheads

A black player going to aggy is always a head scratcher. I am guessing they dont or didnt knowcwhen they signed.

Yeah every black player in the SEC is oblivious to the racism that their school is known for. Or more likely they know, but they also know that playing in the SEC means more likely they get paid. And their wanting to get money for themselves and their families outweighs the prospect of having to be around a bunch of dimpy fuck racist weakling aggies for a few years. Especially since they likely already grew up dealing with worse anyways. 

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Goddammit. I love fraternities and I love Ole Miss, but man they do dumb shit sometimes.

 

Kappa Alpha’s global charter appears to be intertwined with full blown racism. Fuck everyone associated with them and this kind of shit is par for the course. The least surprising thing in that article wasn’t the Mississippi third world shit, it was the fact that it was all perpetuated by KAs. 

Fraternities are worthless, piece of shit institutions designed to help dorks find friends and pass classes.

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I'm not sure I agree 100% with your police work there, Lou.

If fraternities and their trappings were removed from the face of the earth tomorrow, would the world be better or worse for it? Fratdaddies will respond unequivocally that we’d all be doomed and probably call me a bunch of humorless names. Everyone else? Fucking happy. So yeah, be proud of that. 

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If fraternities and their trappings were removed from the face of the earth tomorrow, would the world be better or worse for it? Fratdaddies will respond unequivocally that we’d all be doomed and probably call me a bunch of humorless names. Everyone else? Fucking happy. So yeah, be proud of that. 

I'm not saying you are wrong, just maybe not 100% right...Lou.

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Kappa Alpha’s global charter appears to be intertwined with full blown racism. Fuck everyone associated with them and this kind of shit is par for the course. The least surprising thing in that article wasn’t the Mississippi third world shit, it was the fact that it was all perpetuated by KAs. 

Fraternities are worthless, piece of shit institutions designed to help dorks find friends and pass classes.

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But yeah, the KAs somehow manage to get the racist tag at every single campus, it's a real bad look.

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I can't believe I didn't hear about the guys who put the noose on the James Meridith statute back when that happened.  For the life of me, I don't understand why Texas kids choose to go to school in that backwards ass place. 

Despite the dipshits it really is so much fun. Beyond the Grove, Oxford is the perfect college town. Great party scene and legit James Beard winning restaurants when you feel like getting fancy.

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Kappa Alpha’s global charter appears to be intertwined with full blown racism. Fuck everyone associated with them and this kind of shit is par for the course. The least surprising thing in that article wasn’t the Mississippi third world shit, it was the fact that it was all perpetuated by KAs. 

Fraternities are worthless, piece of shit institutions designed to help dorks find friends and pass classes.

This CTJ is the CTJ we need. Not the one calling Ehlinger a regard.

 

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I can't believe I didn't hear about the guys who put the noose on the James Meridith statute back when that happened.  For the life of me, I don't understand why Texas kids choose to go to school in that backwards ass place. 

Baseball money? Either way, the amount of stupidity involved in this whole situation makes me almost as sick to my stomach as the act itself. Fuck those pieces of shit.


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Accusations of racism[edit]

Ku Klux Klan founder John Lester claimed that the Klan's initiation ritual was based on a popular collegiate fraternal order. [21] It has been speculated by Allen Trelease that "Kuklos Adelphon almost certainly provided the model" for the early Klan. [22] Kuklos Adelphon dissolved during the American Civil War.

According to the fraternity, "The popular old antebellum society, Kuklos Adelphon, founded at the University of North Carolina in 1812, had all but perished during the recent war, but its reputation was well known in the South. Kuklos Adelphon was more than a mere college fraternity. Its “Circles” met in communities long after its members left college campuses. Wood was aware of this and the concept of a lifelong “Circle of Brothers” had great appeal to him."[23]

The fraternity has been criticized for identification with the Confederacy and other forms of racism. In November 2002, the Zeta Psi and Kappa Alpha Order chapters at the University of Virginia were suspended and subsequently cleared after the fraternities held a Halloween party where a few guests were photographed wearing blackface and dressed up as Uncle Samand Venus and Serena Williams.[24][25]

In 2009, Kappa Alpha Order at the University of Alabama was criticized for wearing Confederate uniforms for an "Old South" parade that passed by an African-American sorority house celebrating its 35th anniversary. The organization apologized for any offense that might have been caused. Kappa Alpha Order on other campuses, including Auburn, Centenary College, Mississippi State University, and the University of Georgia had already ceased to wear Confederate uniforms in public following complaints from students.[26] The national organization banned the wearing of Confederate uniforms to its "Old South" parades in 2010,[27] although video from 2012 showed the uniforms still being worn.[28]

In April 2016, the fraternity's Tulane University chapter in New Orleans, Louisiana, constructed a sand-bag wall around its house that contained spray-painted slogans in reference to Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump's proposal to build a wall between the U.S. and Mexico. The chapter said that the wall had been built for an annual "capture the flag" game and that the pro-Trump slogans were satirical and not in support of the candidate or his message. Some students protested that the wall was offensive and anti-immigrant or anti-Latino. The wall was later forcefully dismantled, allegedly in part by members of the Tulane football team.[29]

In 2019, three members of the Kappa Alpha chapter at the University of Mississippi were suspended and faced a federal civil rights investigation after posting a photo on a private Instagram account showing them posing with guns next to a bullet riddled sign memorializing Emmett Till, a 14-year-old African-American lynched in Mississippi in 1955.[30]

 

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I can't believe I didn't hear about the guys who put the noose on the James Meridith statute back when that happened.  For the life of me, I don't understand why Texas kids choose to go to school in that backwards ass place. 

A:   Couldn't get into UT, wouldn't go to A&M.

     

Ole Miss, Arky, Bama & OU are the hot options when you get declined by UT & joining a cult/living in Guyana Station while waiting 4 years for the mill to produce your diploma doesn't appeal to you.

 

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A:   Couldn't get into UT, wouldn't go to A&M.

     

Ole Miss, Arky, Bama & OU are the hot options when you get declined by UT & joining a cult/living in Guyana Station while waiting 4 years for the mill to produce your diploma doesn't appeal to you.

 

OU I understand but I know a fair number of Texas kids who have gone off to Bama, Auburn and Ole Miss and come back home.  There is a bit of culture shock for kids raised in DFW.  I have a friend whose kid is at Ole Miss and likes it but he said he heard the N word with the hard R more times in one semester than he had heard in his entire life before leaving Texas.  I have another friend whose kid is mixed race and lasted one semester before he bolted and came back to Texas.  I think a lot of the Texas kids who go off to the SEC schools would actually be a lot happier at Tech if they could get over how ugly Lubbock is.  The Tech campus is nice and a Tech degree is probably better for job prospects in Texas than an Ole Miss or Bama degree.

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OU I understand but I know a fair number of Texas kids who have gone off to Bama, Auburn and Ole Miss and come back home.  There is a bit of culture shock for kids raised in DFW.  I have a friend whose kid is at Ole Miss and likes it but he said he heard the N word with the hard R more times in one semester than he had heard in his entire life before leaving Texas.  I have another friend whose kid is mixed race and lasted one semester before he bolted and came back to Texas.  I think a lot of the Texas kids who go off to the SEC schools would actually be a lot happier at Tech if they could get over how ugly Lubbock is.  The Tech campus is nice and a Tech degree is probably better for job prospects in Texas than an Ole Miss or Bama degree.

I like Texas Tech grads a lot, in fact, they are the most normal sociable people to be around, especially compared to Aggy dorks, but no one hiring gives a shit between a Texas Tech degree or Alabama degree. 

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I like Texas Tech grads a lot, in fact, they are the most normal sociable people to be around, especially compared to Aggy dorks, but no one hiring gives a shit between a Texas Tech degree or Alabama degree. 

Unless the person hiring is a Tech grad.  More likely that than a Bama grad in DFW. 

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A:   Couldn't get into UT, wouldn't go to A&M.

     

Ole Miss, Arky, Bama & OU are the hot options when you get declined by UT & joining a cult/living in Guyana Station while waiting 4 years for the mill to produce your diploma doesn't appeal to you.

 

I'm not sure the ones with those options got into aggy either

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OU I understand but I know a fair number of Texas kids who have gone off to Bama, Auburn and Ole Miss and come back home.  There is a bit of culture shock for kids raised in DFW.  I have a friend whose kid is at Ole Miss and likes it but he said he heard the N word with the hard R more times in one semester than he had heard in his entire life before leaving Texas.  I have another friend whose kid is mixed race and lasted one semester before he bolted and came back to Texas.  I think a lot of the Texas kids who go off to the SEC schools would actually be a lot happier at Tech if they could get over how ugly Lubbock is.  The Tech campus is nice and a Tech degree is probably better for job prospects in Texas than an Ole Miss or Bama degree.

That part of the world is beyond fucked up.  Other than Collie Station and Pedo State, I can't think of a more backwards group of motherfuckers than dudes who join frats in the south.  At least the douchebag ivy frat bros can talk up connections that help in the real world.  These fuckers in the south are an atrocity.  

And someone said it above, these bigots only got suspended?  What in the fuck?  What more evidence do you fucking need?  A 14 year old was tortured and killed because of the color of his skin and you take a picture of his vandalized memorial, smiling?  String these fuckers up and see how funny it is.  

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I can't believe I didn't hear about the guys who put the noose on the James Meridith statute back when that happened.  For the life of me, I don't understand why Texas kids choose to go to school in that backwards ass place. 

I teach at a community college in Houston, and every semester i will have at minimum 5 students (male and female) who are either taking time off or transferring out of places like LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, or Arkansas.  (Had 1 die hard Auburn student a few semesters ago).  I always ask why did they come back and their top answer is “to transfer to UT” followed closely by “thought i would like it but I wanted to come home.”

I’ve only had 1 successful student like the above actually get into UT and he went to LSU for a few semesters.  So my deductive reasoning tells me they go to those schools because they can actually get in and didn’t want to go to A&M. 

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