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Against my better judgment and several beers deep, I have taken you up on this, potentially ending my streak of totally worthless posts. I have done 3 and 7 day averages only on the Worldometer data. 

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7 hours ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

SIAP, but a Chinese nurse says that the real number of people who have the virus is 90,000.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7929657/Nurse-treating-coronavirus-sufferers-China-claims-90-000-people-infected.html

For China to be reacting the way they are, it makes me think they know more than they’re letting on and it’s worse than it’s being reported.

also if China thinks it’s important to lock down cities of 10m, why shouldn’t the world lock down China? That would make it easier to contain the illness in other countries with fewer cases.

5 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

GFs son married a Chinese girl.  They went over there to Chendu for the New Year celebration.  He's coming back in a couple of weeks; she's staying two months (with an infant). 

I'd get the fuck out if it were me. 

yeah, he and his family should be leaving today, imho. Worse case, we’ve all overreacted and he and his family are healthy in the US.

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Was watching BBC this morning and they reported that China said that on average everyone that contracted  the virus infects 3 others.  By now I think those 90000 infected reports may be low.

I've flipped over to CNN , Fox, MSNBC from time to time and it seems like it's all impeachment 24/7.  IMO, this is a much bigger story. 

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Was watching BBC this morning and they reported that China said that on average everyone that contracted  the virus infects 3 others.  By now I think those 90000 infected reports may be low.
I've flipped over to CNN , Fox, MSNBC from time to time and it seems like it's all impeachment 24/7.  IMO, this is a much bigger story. 
Same. Almost every day I flip through the national news channels and locals to see if there is any coverage, and I haven't seen any yet. I'm sure it's being covered, but it isn't being given the attention it deserves.
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https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-victims-could-pose-minor-risk-after-death-nhs-staff-reportedly-warned-11918231

NHS staff have been warned that victims of the coronavirus could continue to pose a minor risk even after death.

Doctors and nurses have been given detailed advice on how to handle suspected cases by Public Health England.

The document warns:

New coronavirus patients should be left in closed rooms and not examined

Staff who meet suspected victims should wear full-face visors

Bodies should not be placed on beds because such movement could expel infected air from the lungs

Body bags and full personal protective equipment should be used by NHS staff

Controlling the disease "relies on the prompt identification, appropriate risk assessment, management and isolation of possible cases"

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1 hour ago, Telegraph_it said:

Perfect... BBC article saying virus can spread during incubation period. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51254523

Video from article.

 

I like how the lady at the end takes the suspected victim's cell phone without wearing gloves and without wiping the phone down. Brilliant. At least the victim wore gloves and a mask. Doubtful though that he knew better than to touch his face with his gloved hands.

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If a person is potentially contagious before symptoms, why do I see so many security people in China appearing to scan people's temperature with a laser gun?

I'm curious to see how the stock markets continue to react especially later today when the Asian markets open.

You won't catch everyone who is contagious but you will catch most. Unfortunately, it is the best we can do as any bio testing takes too much time except for that blond chick's company's product.

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2 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

If a person is potentially contagious before symptoms, why do I see so many security people in China appearing to scan people's temperature with a laser gun?

I'm curious to see how the stock markets continue to react especially later today when the Asian markets open.

Because that was the standard screening method for SARS and mers , which it turns out seems to be inadequate 

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SIAP, but a Chinese nurse says that the real number of people who have the virus is 90,000.
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7929657/Nurse-treating-coronavirus-sufferers-China-claims-90-000-people-infected.html

This along with the rush for a new hospital and the quarantine of a city with the population of 11 million has me thinking it may be true.
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This along with the rush for a new hospital and the quarantine of a city with the population of 11 million has me thinking it may be true.

Based on the mortality rate in other cities (which is around 0.4%), I would suspect that there would be about 13,000 infected in Wuhan. That was a few days ago, though. There should be a spike by now. Hopefully, the numbers then dwindle as people start self-isolating and wearing PPE.

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3 minutes ago, Poe It Up said:

I was standing in line at the Lowe’s in The Woodlands yesterday and an Asian family walked by me with two carts full of masks. It was a bit unsettling. 

I halfway tempted to go buy some myself. I have some spring projects I can use them in, so it’s not like they will go to waste. 

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22 minutes ago, Xian said:

I halfway tempted to go buy some myself. I have some spring projects I can use them in, so it’s not like they will go to waste. 

I have a box of N95 mask for various home improvement projects. They’re very useful. Even when it’s time to scrub the shower with bleach. 

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40 minutes ago, Doc Reeves said:

Photo from the seafood market where they sold wild shit including wolf pups, civets and koalas

 

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When Andrew Zimmern went to Oaxaca for adventures in eating he paid $75 bucks for an armadillo. "Rare and difficult to catch!" I lol'd and promptly went to the comments to offer a steady supply at a reduced rate. The shop was a couple of rooms in a house. 

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I have a box of N95 mask for various home improvement projects. They’re very useful. Even when it’s time to scrub the shower with bleach. 

Since you’re obviously protected, add some ammonia and drain cleaner next time and you’ll never see that mildew again.

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3 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

If a person is potentially contagious before symptoms, why do I see so many security people in China appearing to scan people's temperature with a laser gun?

I'm curious to see how the stock markets continue to react especially later today when the Asian markets open.


Nothing will impact Wal-Mart's earnings quite like a mass extermination event.

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8 hours ago, Bevo said:

Three Beijing hospitals have started treating patients with the anti-HIV drugs Lopinavir and Ritonavir.

 

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3047667/china-coronavirus-beijing-confirms-use-anti-hiv-drugs-some

 

That is bad news for the HIV community here in the US. Prices are already high and if docs start writing for it for suspected cases we're gonna have a shortage. Or they could give those drugs the 2013 clindamycin treatment and go from $47 a bottle to over $2,000 in less than a week.

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27 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

So here’s an example of how things aren’t adding up. 

A city of 11 million can’t keep up with cremating bodies but only 50 something have died in China? I guess the tweet could be wrong. 

Cremation centers might be refusing to pick up the virus victims. Who knows

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40 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

So here’s an example of how things aren’t adding up. 

A city of 11 million can’t keep up with cremating bodies but only 50 something have died in China? I guess the tweet could be wrong. 

Ehh, cremation workers are probably scared to touch the infected bodies.

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The complete coronavirus timeline - a man made disaster.

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Hi. This is going to be a long read, but I promise you it'll be a good read.

I posted this about an hour ago, but I didn't have a complete timeline sorted out to backup my claims - now I do. I still can't claim that the information I listed here are 100% correct as some of them are directly from Weibo - Chinese twitter, but other infos are from credible media sources and they're well written. My English, however, is less well written because I am a Chinese local. My apologies.

At the end of the day, I advise your to view this with a grain of salt - most of these weibos and screenshots are already deleted/censored from the Chinese internet, and if anything, that speaks volume to how much weight they hold.

When you cut out a man's tongue, you're not calling him a liar, you're showing the world you're afraid of what he might say.

You can check this article here if you understand Chinese - they do a better job at listing the timeline than I do.

Dec 8, 2019 is universally regarded as the first case of the coronavirus appearing. Him and about 27 other patients went to the hospital - they all have the same symptoms, and they're identified as 'unknown pneumonia patients'.

Things escalated in the next couple of weeks. On Dec 30, 2019, the seafood market that these cases originated from was identified, but no actions to directly close down and quarantine the market was taken. The SARS like virus was also confirmed and an emergency announcement file is released to medical personels with the last line stating: nobody is allowed to spread any information about this without approval from the authorithy.

#WuhanSARS was also trending that night on Weibo but was immediately censored.

On Dec 31, 2019, a visit to the seafood market shows that nobody was aware of this flu. The entire market was business as usual. People walking around with no virus protection of any kind. On the afternoon, health committe released info on 27 cases of unknown pneumonia patients to the public, stating that no person-to-person virus transition have been discovered yet, and no medical staff was infected. Central people's newpaper tweeted something alone the lines of:

'All of the cases are residents of the seafood market, guys, there is nothing to be worried about. Rest assured! Even if it's SARS, we are sure to have it under control with our advanced and unmatched medical system.'

On Jan 1, 2020. People began posting on Weibo that it is very possible this virus can transfer between humans. They were censored. In the mean time, Wuhan police's account tweeted out: '8 individuals that spreaded misinformations about the pneumonia have been taken into custody. Worry not Chinese people! We've got everything under control.' The Wuhan health committe also keep on stating that this virus does not transfer between humans. I'm sure you're seeing a pattern here.

What's interesting to note that the Hong Kong goverment called a stat emergency immediately upon discovering cases within its region on Jan 4, whilst people in Wuhan are still trusting in its leaders and hoping for the best. This went on for an entire week, the Wuhan health committe keeps on stating that no new cases were discovered when in the mean time censored tweets on Weibo states hospitals are completely full with patients and new cases around the world starts to surface.

It is extremely clear at this point that this virus is highly contagious, can transfer between humans and can be deadly. But Wuhan citizens, going with the false info released by its goverment, was still going around the city with no protection whatsoever, believing that this is just a benigh virus under control.

On Jan 14, a group of journalists and medical staffs from Hong Kong came to Wuhan's hospital, they were rejected, later taken to the police and all footages they took in the hospital was taken away.

Keep in mind that in the mean time new cases started to spring everywhere on the map of China, and Wuhan citizens that traveled to other corners of the world are identified as infected cases.

On Jan 12, Imperial college london released a report estimating there should be around 1,700 cases by Jan 17. This invoked some questions in China.

On the same day, 13th HuBei people's representitive meeting was held in Wuhan. This is a huge goverment election event that lasts about a week. Before you ask, wait, China has elections? Just google it, I won't go too deep into it.

On Jan 16, someone on ZhiHu (The Chinese Quora) asked 'ok, so there are so many cases happening around the world, how did our great leaders manage to get this under control?' (Spoiler: They didn't, they just didn't put in on the news). More questions were asked and soon they were all deleted.

During the time the meeting was held, no new cases were reported by the Wuhan health committe. On Jan 18 however, after the event has finished, they started stating new cases were 'discovered' again. An interesting coincedence. This corona fellow is very collabrative.

Keep in mind that this late into 2020, people still have no idea how serious this virus is, they still think it doesn't transfer between humans, they still think it's only a handful of people that got this thing and it's completely under control.

On Jan 17, Wuhan travel committe released their big event: Free sightseeing for up to 200,000 tourists! Come to Wuhan and see the beautiful city!

On Jan 18, 40,000 families gathered around to eat and share family made gourmet dishes with each other. The smell of happiness filled the air. No virus involved.

On Jan 20, Mr. Zhongnanshan, at 84 years old, went to Wuhan with a medical team. This is the first time some truth was released to the public: this virus transitions between humans, 15 medical staff was infected, and it is at this point the case and death numbers started skyrocketing.

I'll leave a imgur album of some chatlogs/weibo here, they're all translated. You can see for yourself how serious this thing really is.

https://imgur.com/a/m91RAOz

Stay positive bros.

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45 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

How are the is quarantined Wuhan residents going to eat? Are they ust delivering food and gas and evrything else just like normal? Doesn't critical infrastructure start to fail at some point?

The ama post talks about it some. People can still walk around and the government run stores are still being stocked. The Person posting talks about how he bought 2 weeks worth of food stuff for him and his parents. 
 

though he did mention the water recently turned a greenish tint and smells like chlorine.   Guessing they are having issues at the water plant. 

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11 minutes ago, Xian said:

The ama post talks about it some. People can still walk around and the government run stores are still being stocked. The Person posting talks about how he bought 2 weeks worth of food stuff for him and his parents. 
 

though he did mention the water recently turned a greenish tint and smells like chlorine.   Guessing they are having issues at the water plant. 

A prepper's paradise.

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9 hours ago, Bevo said:

Three Beijing hospitals have started treating patients with the anti-HIV drugs Lopinavir and Ritonavir.

 

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3047667/china-coronavirus-beijing-confirms-use-anti-hiv-drugs-some

 

A sign of desperation? Not an ID specialist, but the HIV anti-retrovirals from 20-25 years back give patients a ton of side effects.

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