Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away

[InkaUtexas 26031]

 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13517]

2 hours ago, heso said:

the international law firm I work for told everyone to cancel any travel to CDC level 2 or 3 classification. Currently that’s China and South Korea as level 3. Iran, northern Italy, and japan are level 2. Anyone coming back from any of those places is supposed to self quarantine and work from home for 2 weeks. 

I have the same with my employer and pay while in quarantine is on a case by case basis. Since these ratings could worsen while you're away, I think someone has to be very foolish to travel to any country that has a possibility of a rising threat. Northern Italy could become all of Italy soon. Or SK or Japan could lead to Singapore overnight.

And you never know if the US decides to ban travel from a country, you might not be able to come back. Personally I would be very careful about foreign travel at the moment. It's probably ok but the really bad possibilities are really bad.

[akhornfan 4]

And the CDC is about to hold a press conference. Will be interesting to see if they’re holding back new US cases to release the info in a ‘controlled’ manner. 
 

Maybe @Junior Miller’s buddies mystery Arlington cases are incoming. I expect some number of new CA cases. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13517]

Whats the latest on the rumor posted here that several people in the Dallas area have tested positive but the news isn't allowed to be spread. I've heard that states are reluctant to go against the CDC's communication plan but I also find it hard to believe that city, county and state officials would all go along with a communication blackout.

[clapclapclap 9000]

Let's talk hotel HVAC (and I guess this would apply to apartment buildings, etc.)  I'm still traveling for business (by auto, mostly interactions with just 1 or 2 individuals at a time, easy to keep distance, it isn't difficult to disinfect a hotel room, can cook my own food, hotdam I'm a mobile mini-prepper extraordinaire.)

From what I've read the risk of infection from particles traveling through the recirculated hotel air supply isn't as high as one might think, despite the typical filters used not being very effective for screening (China Flu particles are on the small end of the specturm), for a variety of reasons.  But it also isn't a zero risk. 

I'm thinking ahead to if my hotel got quarantined for 2+ weeks.  Getting a room where the windows open and have the HVAC unit separate from the building intake/outtake tubes (such as those beneath the window), I can tape off the duct vent feeding air into the room from the building's recirculating system (no need to close off the outlet duct sucking the air out , right? (usually located in the bathroom.)  Those vents on the outside below the window, opposite the HVAC unit, are just heat exhaust vents, right?  The HVAC unit just recirculates air inside the hotel room rather than drawing in outside air directly, for efficiency, correct?  So far so good, yes?

But is it common for some hotels to have rooms, such as multi-room suites, on their own independent central HVAC?  For example, the Residence Inns I'm familiar with have a central HVAC unit in each suite feeding all the rooms.   I'm guessing those are still fed by the building's central air duct, or not always?  Is it possible to open the access panel to close off a duct vent, or are they probably run directly into the HVAC unit?

Maybe I should sign up for a U. Phoenix HVAC certification class....

Edited February 28, 2020 by clapclapclap

[akhornfan 4]

Hotels have every different type of HVAC system. Just depends on the style, size, age, etc. It’s not like there’s a uniform application.

[Txzen 498]

7 minutes ago, clapclapclap said:

Let's talk hotel HVAC (and I guess this would apply to apartment buildings, etc.)  I'm still traveling for business (by auto, mostly interactions with just 1 or 2 individuals at a time, easy to keep distance, it isn't difficult to disinfect a hotel room, can cook my own food, hotdam I'm a mobile mini-prepper extraordinaire.)

From what I've read the risk of infection from particles traveling through the recirculated hotel air supply isn't as high as one might think, despite the typical filters used not being very effective for screening (China Flu particles are on the small end of the specturm), for a variety of reasons.  But it also isn't a zero risk. 

I'm thinking ahead to if my hotel got quarantined for 2+ weeks.  Getting a room where the windows open and have the HVAC unit separate from the building intake/outtake tubes (such as those beneath the window), I can tape off the duct vent feeding air into the room from the building's recirculating system (no need to close off the outlet duct sucking the air out (usually in the bathroom.)  Those vents on the outside below the window, opposite the HVAC unit, are just heat exhaust vents, right?  The HVAC unit just recirculates air inside the hotel room rather than drawing in outside air directly, for efficiency, correct?  So far so good, yes?

But is it common for some hotels to have rooms, such as multi-room suites, on their own independent central HVAC?  For example, the Residence Inns I'm familiar with have a central HVAC unit in each suite feeding all the rooms.   I'm guessing those are still fed by the building's central air duct, or not always?  Is it possible to open the access panel to close off a duct vent, or are they probably run directly into the HVAC unit?

Maybe I should sign up for a U. Phoenix HVAC certification class....

I think the cruise ships offer a good study in this - there were certainly people with symptoms or without, carrying the disease. Reports are that the 'quarantine' was far from optimal - people not taking it seriously, eating together, etc. And still the overall infection rate was only a portion. 

Basically, I'd be more worried about the breakfast buffet than the HVAC. This isn't Legionnaire's Disease, caused by a bacterium with a waxy coating that allows it to thrive in those environments. 

Edited February 28, 2020 by Txzen

[clapclapclap 9000]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

I know this is a CR issue, but I was wondering why the "Flu kills more people" keeps getting pushed by the uninformed? I don't get it. 

1 in 25 vs 1 in 1000

Because most people are math idiots (along multiple forms of idiocy):

 

[4th&Five 41574]

My trip was nixed for me. 

 

[akhornfan 4]

CDC is still only talking about the single case at UC Davis, but said that it’s likely that this person infected others 

[atomheartbevo 89774]

29 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Only comparing mortality rates as a means of comparing influenza to covid19 is missing 3/4 of the information. Add in the communicability difference, the natural and inoculated immunity difference, and the hospitalization rate difference, and you can see why one is more dangerous than the other. At least this season. 

And the length of the hospital stay. And the hospital workers all having to be in serious PPE.  Our regular hospital are not used to either of those situations.  More beds being taken up by coronavirus means fewer beds for everything else.

[0xdeadbeef 1651]

CDC teleconference going on now... BNO is s streaming live on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jpOXxMCRUc&feature=emb_logo

No mention of Arlington cases in the intro - overview. Final verdict of BS is called on that one.

[heso 2813]

13 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I have the same with my employer and pay while in quarantine is on a case by case basis. Since these ratings could worsen while you're away, I think someone has to be very foolish to travel to any country that has a possibility of a rising threat. Northern Italy could become all of Italy soon. Or SK or Japan could lead to Singapore overnight.

And you never know if the US decides to ban travel from a country, you might not be able to come back. Personally I would be very careful about foreign travel at the moment. It's probably ok but the really bad possibilities are really bad.

I wouldn’t be going anywhere other than Western Europe right now, and even then I’d be very trepidatious about leaving the country with how fast Italy’s outbreak blew up. 

[akhornfan 4]

1 minute ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

CDC teleconference going on now... BNO is s streaming live on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jpOXxMCRUc&feature=emb_logo

No mention of Arlington cases in the intro - overview. Final verdict of BS is called on that one.

Which was pretty obvious from the start. . .

[atomheartbevo 89774]

 

[atomheartbevo 89774]

They are really going to start ramping up the testing next week.

[woohorn 1131]

All you international (inc. Canada/Mexico) travelers-

Your main risk is that the US government will halt travel/border crossings on a whim (no CR). Main risk is getting back in.

[VABuckeye 2472]

For the near term yes.  Our trip is scheduled for May and by then I'd think that we'll have a firmer grip on total progression of the virus and any travel restrictions that may be in place.

[akhornfan 4]

I’m starting to migrate over to the idea that everyone has it, but that it’s nowhere even near 2% deadly. Rather that’s the figure associated with the most serious cases. 
 

I wonder if S Korea is really testing as many people as they stated or that their ‘testing’ is more synonymous with the 8,400 people that California is monitoring.

It appears really obvious at this point that true testing capabilities are beyond overwhelmed. 

[clapclapclap 9000]

28 minutes ago, Txzen said:

Basically, I'd be more worried about the breakfast buffet 

Of course.  We're giving up eating out until this runs its course.  Sorry, young restaurant startup couples.  Gonna be a lot of bank repossessed Mazda CX-30's.

[Bama Chick 28596]

This is fine.

[StruggleBus 3922]

2 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

This is fine.

 

Maybe we can send him to cough all over the cloak room next

[triplehorn 2664]

40 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

And the length of the hospital stay. And the hospital workers all having to be in serious PPE.  Our regular hospital are not used to either of those situations.  More beds being taken up by coronavirus means fewer beds for everything else.

Lack of adequate numbers of ventilators is probably the biggest potential bottleneck to helping critical cases recover.  Slowing the rate of spread over months instead of getting hit with a tidal wave would help rotation of access to specialized care a lot.

[Bevo 13593]

15 minutes ago, akhornfan said:

I’m starting to migrate over to the idea that everyone has it, but that it’s nowhere even near 2% deadly. Rather that’s the figure associated with the most serious cases. 
 

I wonder if S Korea is really testing as many people as they stated or that their ‘testing’ is more synonymous with the 8,400 people that California is monitoring.

It appears really obvious at this point that true testing capabilities are beyond overwhelmed. 

Probably. If they are doing it by rt-PCR, each run takes 2 hours, limiting the number of samples that can be processed to only four runs per 8-hour day on a single machine. I don't have a clue how many machines are available for commercial use but I would think that the number of samples that can be processed daily in the US isn't that great. More than likely, the machines were near capacity before the outbreak. Most places don't have a lot of idle machines floating around.

[achooloco 1072]

21 minutes ago, akhornfan said:

I’m starting to migrate over to the idea that everyone has it, but that it’s nowhere even near 2% deadly. Rather that’s the figure associated with the most serious cases. 
 

I wonder if S Korea is really testing as many people as they stated or that their ‘testing’ is more synonymous with the 8,400 people that California is monitoring.

It appears really obvious at this point that true testing capabilities are beyond overwhelmed. 

Every time I read “everyone has it” I think of the walking dead. 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

This is fine.

Lol. What in the fuck?

[CheesePie 238]

Can’t decide if those are crisis actors or just stupid fuckin idiots 

[Billy Pilgrim 1984]

Jesus- you panicky bitches are why the stock market is in the tank. The mortality rate is falsely elevated due to the fact that only severe cases are being tested and confirmed. There are countless other asymptomatic or only mildly symptomatic cases that aren’t confirmed. The flu is still going to kill more people this year than the coronavirus by a long shot. Everyone needs to calm the fuck down, practice good hygiene and keep living a normal life.

[MoJames 8244]

2 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

Jesus- you panicky bitches are why the stock market is in the tank. The mortality rate is falsely elevated due to the fact that only severe cases are being tested and confirmed. There are countless other asymptomatic or only mildly symptomatic cases that aren’t confirmed. The flu is still going to kill more people this year than the coronavirus by a long shot. Everyone needs to calm the fuck down, practice good hygiene and keep living a normal life.

Found the Stock Broker.

But yes, wash your hands.

[achooloco 1072]

4 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

Jesus- you panicky bitches are why the stock market is in the tank. The mortality rate is falsely elevated due to the fact that only severe cases are being tested and confirmed. There are countless other asymptomatic or only mildly symptomatic cases that aren’t confirmed. The flu is still going to kill more people this year than the coronavirus by a long shot. Everyone needs to calm the fuck down, practice good hygiene and keep living a normal life.

As repeatedly stated, looking only at mortality is not why the virus is an issue. Next time please read the thread before posting useless shit that has already been addressed 

[MissingInAction 25156]

3 hours ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

Had a flight attendant from UAE randomly reach out to me on LinkedIn this morning.  Trying to give me digitalcorona?

Pics?

[JesusSweatDuck 17796]

10 minutes ago, CheesePie said:

Can’t decide if those are crisis actors or just stupid fuckin idiots 

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13119]

25 minutes ago, achooloco said:

Every time I read “everyone has it” I think of the walking dead. 

[DDD Dad 14346]

Worst. In the world.

[MissingInAction 25156]

13 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

Jesus- you panicky bitches are why the stock market is in the tank. The mortality rate is falsely elevated due to the fact that only severe cases are being tested and confirmed. There are countless other asymptomatic or only mildly symptomatic cases that aren’t confirmed. The flu is still going to kill more people this year than the coronavirus by a long shot. Everyone needs to calm the fuck down, practice good hygiene and keep living a normal life.

STFU and take your ass back to the cloak room .

[akhornfan 4]

I find it odd that so many countries are announcing their first confirmed case, but then going silent for days. It’s like the get on the list and then just turtle. 

[Billy Pilgrim 1984]

Just now, MissingInAction said:

STFU and take your ass back to the cloak room .

What the fuck does that have to do with the cloakroom? I don’t go in there to avoid the dumbshit nonsense that’s apparently going on in this thread too: a bunch of people hearing what they want to hear rather than examining the facts.

[NoRagrets 1125]

2 hours ago, GreenspointTexas said:

I actually think this is going to be way worse than most are predicting. I think 3/4 of the US is likely to catch it, with 7-15% of those who caught it being severe cases. Thats roughly 15-30 million people who will want to be/have to behospitalized. We only have 100,000 icu beds in the entire country

 

you bout to see the most epic re-purposing/healthcare mash unit this world has ever seen. Every surgery center, every hospital, every place that has an oxygen outlet... occupied. And stays will likely be 2-4 weeks. 
 

this world as we know it now bout to be shut down for a while. 

It doesn’t transmit as well as the flu, and I doubt even 10% of Americans get the flu per year.

[Deej 76881]

4 minutes ago, akhornfan said:

I find it odd that so many countries are announcing their first confirmed case, but then going silent for days. It’s like the get on the list and then just turtle. 

It's the Tom Herman method. 

[Pato del Muerto 52553]

2 minutes ago, NoRagrets said:

It doesn’t transmit as well as the flu, and I doubt even 10% of Americans get the flu per year.

What now?  Gonna have to show your work on that statement. 

[Updawg 2286]

It doesn’t transmit as well as the flu, and I doubt even 10% of Americans get the flu per year.

Huh?

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13119]

2 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

What now?  Gonna have to show your work on that statement. 

[MissingInAction 25156]

3 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

What now?  Gonna have to show your work on that statement. 

Please see username.

[JesusSweatDuck 17796]

6 minutes ago, NoRagrets said:

It doesn’t transmit as well as the flu, and I doubt even 10% of Americans get the flu per year.

86% of statistics on the internet are completely made up

[ShaggyBevo RIP 3868]

1 hour ago, InkaUtexas said:

 

I believe the people who track these things believe that China's death toll will be around 10 times the amount reported by China

[Liquor and Poker 3659]

2 minutes ago, JesusSweatDuck said:

86% of statistics on the internet are completely made up

60% of the time it works every time.  They’ve done studies. 

[InkaUtexas 26031]

1 minute ago, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

I believe the people who track these things believe that China's death toll will be around 10 times the amount reported by China

Agree. But the Clerics are going to double down and say Nope.. 

 

[TriStone 1724]

31 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

Jesus- you panicky bitches are why the stock market is in the tank.

God bless 'em then.  Buying opportunities like this don't happen every day.

[JesusSweatDuck 17796]

3 minutes ago, Liquor and Poker said:

60% of the time it works every time.  They’ve done studies. 

[ShaggyBevo RIP 3868]

Went to run a few errands in a major shopping area and it was completely dead. I went into Panera at 12:30 and I was one of 4 customers in there. Then went to the grocery store and it was equally empty.